Indesign & Windows XP
Dan Rapp
driving me crazy.
I had a job requiring Ariel Black. In ATM it showed up and was checked. I
assume that checked means loaded and activated. Well, I went into the
program (indesign) and it asked for Ariel Black. It seemed that it shouldn't
have since it was loaded. Anyway, I tried to replace it with itself but it
didn't show up in the font list.
I went to other jobs and came back to it later. Now it showed up. It printed
OK, but it wouldn't make a pdf because it couldn't find symbol, which was
also checked.
HELP
be...@overnightimaging.com
5/25/03 12:37 PM:
Windows XP doesn't require atm. You can load type1 and truetype fonts
directly into the fonts folder of the control panel.
Also, a lot of times when you have a font coming up blank in the font menu
or your suitcase menu, it means that you have duplicates loaded and you need
to remove one.
Now having said that....I have one customer who sends me jobs every day and
they will only work if I load her particular version of Helvetica and I must
use ATM. Neither suitcase nor the XP control panel will work.
So basically you have to jockey around with atm, suitcase (if you have it),
and the control panel - loading and unloading fonts until you strike gold.
It's a bitch, but it's something we deal with every day.
Eric Gill
> I just got a job running 2 Macs and a Dell with windows XP. Windows is
> driving me crazy.
No, ATM Deluxe is driving you crazy. Pitch it. Since 2K, Windows doesn't
need it's basic T1/OTF rasterizing functions and the management "features"
in ATM stink.
The best font manager for Windows in a production environmet is probably
Suitcase. Designers will prefer Bitstream Font Navigator, but it doesn't
handle OTFs and since it was bought by competition it probably never will.
<snip>
René Frej Nielsen
At work we use Suitcase as well, but what do you do about Multiple
Master fonts? Since Suitcase doesn't support them I have found no other
way than to install ATM LIte and activate the fonts with that.
Are there any other possibilities?
--
Mvh.
René Frej Nielsen
PowerMac G4 Dual 867 Mhz, 1 GB RAM,
200 GB HD, SuperDrive & Mac OS X Jaguar.
Aandi Inston
>At work we use Suitcase as well, but what do you do about Multiple
>Master fonts? Since Suitcase doesn't support them I have found no other
>way than to install ATM LIte and activate the fonts with that.
The situation for Windows XP and 2000 only:
- Type 1 and OpenType fonts are displayed by Windows without any help
from ATM, and ATM 4.1 would do nothing in this case. The Fonts Control
Panel can be used to add these fonts if ATM is not used.
- Multiple Master fonts are not natively supported by Windows. ATM
Lite 4.1 or ATM Deluxe 4.1 add support to Windows. No other tool will
do this.
- Any earlier version of ATM including 4.0 will not work and can cause
serious, hard to repair, damage to Windows 2000 or XP.
- Hence, if you do not use the font management features of ATM deluxe,
and do not use multiple master fonts, ATM does nothing for you in
Windows 2000 or XP.
>
>Are there any other possibilities?
>
>--
>Mvh.
>René Frej Nielsen
>PowerMac G4 Dual 867 Mhz, 1 GB RAM,
>200 GB HD, SuperDrive & Mac OS X Jaguar.
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René Frej Nielsen
> The situation for Windows XP and 2000 only:
>
> - Type 1 and OpenType fonts are displayed by Windows without any help
> from ATM, and ATM 4.1 would do nothing in this case. The Fonts Control
> Panel can be used to add these fonts if ATM is not used.
>
> - Multiple Master fonts are not natively supported by Windows. ATM
> Lite 4.1 or ATM Deluxe 4.1 add support to Windows. No other tool will
> do this.
>
> - Any earlier version of ATM including 4.0 will not work and can cause
> serious, hard to repair, damage to Windows 2000 or XP.
>
> - Hence, if you do not use the font management features of ATM deluxe,
> and do not use multiple master fonts, ATM does nothing for you in
> Windows 2000 or XP.
Too bad that some customers continue to use Multiple Master fonts...
They're nothing but trouble and and it forces us to install ATM Lite.
Thanks for the thorough explanation.
Dan Rapp
"René Frej Nielsen" <spa...@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
> Aandi Inston <qu...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> The situation for Windows XP and 2000 only:
>>
>> - Type 1 and OpenType fonts are displayed by Windows without any help
>> from ATM, and ATM 4.1 would do nothing in this case. The Fonts Control
>> Panel can be used to add these fonts if ATM is not used.
>>
>> - Multiple Master fonts are not natively supported by Windows. ATM
>> Lite 4.1 or ATM Deluxe 4.1 add support to Windows. No other tool will
>> do this.
>>
>> - Any earlier version of ATM including 4.0 will not work and can cause
>> serious, hard to repair, damage to Windows 2000 or XP.
>>
>> - Hence, if you do not use the font management features of ATM deluxe,
>> and do not use multiple master fonts, ATM does nothing for you in
>> Windows 2000 or XP.
>
> Too bad that some customers continue to use Multiple Master fonts...
> They're nothing but trouble and and it forces us to install ATM Lite.
>
> Thanks for the thorough explanation.
What are multiple master fonts & OpenType fonts?
Aandi Inston
Multiple master fonts are a variant of Type 1 font that can be
adjusted in various design aspects like weight, to make many fonts
from one master. A declining technology.
OpenType fonts are a new font format that might internally contain
something like a Type 1, or TrueType, or CID-keyed font. They support
Unicode better, and are likely to be the way of the future. Adobe are
converting their library over to OpenType; new operating systems come
with OpenType fonts. Some people still need to update their workflows
to cope with these.
mac
Not only that, sometimes the same font will call itself different things
under different apps or OS....if the font call is for Arial Black - Normal
than simple Arial Black won't do unless you force it.
--
Mac Townsend,
Adcom Graphics, Fairfield, California:
Electronic Prepress & Large Format Imaging
www.adcomgraphics.com
Dan Rapp
> adjusted in various design aspects like weight, to make many fonts
> from one master. A declining technology.
>
> OpenType fonts are a new font format that might internally contain
> something like a Type 1, or TrueType, or CID-keyed font. They support
> Unicode better, and are likely to be the way of the future. Adobe are
> converting their library over to OpenType; new operating systems come
> with OpenType fonts. Some people still need to update their workflows
> to cope with these.
> ----------------------------------------
> Aandi Inston qu...@dial.pipex.com http://www.quite.com
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>
Can OpenType fonts be read my Windows as well as Mac?
Eric Gill
news:1fvka1s.11s6heqa7v1cgN%spa...@tdcadsl.dk:
> Eric Gill <eric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Dan Rapp <dr...@bna.com> wrote in news:BAF65B6F.2457%dr...@bna.com:
>>
>> > I just got a job running 2 Macs and a Dell with windows XP. Windows
>> > is driving me crazy.
>>
>> No, ATM Deluxe is driving you crazy. Pitch it. Since 2K, Windows
>> doesn't need it's basic T1/OTF rasterizing functions and the
>> management "features" in ATM stink.
>>
>> The best font manager for Windows in a production environmet is
>> probably Suitcase. Designers will prefer Bitstream Font Navigator,
>> but it doesn't handle OTFs and since it was bought by competition it
>> probably never will.
>
> At work we use Suitcase as well, but what do you do about Multiple
> Master fonts?
Keep them the hell off my systems, if possible. Ever since Adobe bought and
killed Ares font technology, there has been no reliable way to use them.
> Since Suitcase doesn't support them I have found no
> other way than to install ATM LIte and activate the fonts with that.
>
> Are there any other possibilities?
Unfortunately, no. I really wish Adobe would admit they are abandonware and
hopefully cut down on their use.
You have my sympathies, having to deal with clients that use them. It's
been nearly a decade since I've had that experience.
At any rate, ATM Lite is a lot less of a problem than ATM, unless they
added auto-activation while I wasn't looking.
Eric Gill
> qu...@dial.pipex.com (Aandi Inston) wrote:
>> Multiple master fonts are a variant of Type 1 font that can be
>> adjusted in various design aspects like weight, to make many fonts
>> from one master. A declining technology.
Since it was never a dependable technology, this is a very good thing.
>> OpenType fonts are a new font format that might internally contain
>> something like a Type 1, or TrueType, or CID-keyed font. They support
>> Unicode better, and are likely to be the way of the future. Adobe are
>> converting their library over to OpenType; new operating systems come
>> with OpenType fonts. Some people still need to update their workflows
>> to cope with these.
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Aandi Inston qu...@dial.pipex.com http://www.quite.com
>> Please support usenet! Post replies and follow-ups, don't e-mail them.
>>
>
> Can OpenType fonts be read my Windows as well as Mac?
Absolutely. To me, that is the most important feature of the new standard.
There are plenty of very legitimate complaints about OTF's implementation
(though it's mostly that it's not as improved as it could have been), but
they are cross-platform as typefaces should have been years ago.
You may need a later version of ATM depending on your OS, and you need font
managers that understand OTF, but otherwise, just copy an *.otf file and
either a MacOS or Windows box will be happy.
They also can contain the entire typeface - metrics, hinting, beziers,
whatnot, in a single file. What a concept!
Dan Rapp
Xns93878C898FFC5...@24.28.95.190, "Eric Gill"
<eric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Can OpenType fonts be read my Windows as well as Mac?
>
> Absolutely. To me, that is the most important feature of the new standard.
> There are plenty of very legitimate complaints about OTF's implementation
> (though it's mostly that it's not as improved as it could have been), but
> they are cross-platform as typefaces should have been years ago.
>
> You may need a later version of ATM depending on your OS, and you need font
> managers that understand OTF, but otherwise, just copy an *.otf file and
> either a MacOS or Windows box will be happy.
>
> They also can contain the entire typeface - metrics, hinting, beziers,
> whatnot, in a single file. What a concept!
Eric, that is great news. This might solve my whole problem. So if a
customer sends us a file created with old PC fonts, can I use OTF fonts
without any reflow or other problems? And will the program pick up the OTF
fonts or do I have to replace each one?
Eric Gill
No, I didn't even imply that. Old fonts may have somewhat different
metrics or hinting (or a thousand and one other things - different
encodings, special characters, whatnot), and reflow is *always* a
problem. I've even had baseline shift wierdness. Hell, reflow is a
problem between copies of the same software without trying to use
different font versions. You need to use the fonts your customer
provided.
If you simply cannot get good film with your client's fonts, you have
reason to switch, but the client needs to know it.
Your problem is typical of the problems I've had with ATM Deluxe, not
anything else.
> And will the program pick
> up the OTF fonts or do I have to replace each one?
Depends. If the embedded name is the same, it will use it. If not, you'll
have to replace by hand.
Dan Rapp
>>> standard. There are plenty of very legitimate complaints about OTF's
>>> implementation (though it's mostly that it's not as improved as it
>>> could have been), but they are cross-platform as typefaces should
>>> have been years ago.
>>>
>>> You may need a later version of ATM depending on your OS, and you
>>> need font managers that understand OTF, but otherwise, just copy an
>>> *.otf file and either a MacOS or Windows box will be happy.
>>>
>>> They also can contain the entire typeface - metrics, hinting,
>>> beziers, whatnot, in a single file. What a concept!
>>
>> Eric, that is great news. This might solve my whole problem. So if a
>> customer sends us a file created with old PC fonts, can I use OTF
>> fonts without any reflow or other problems?
>
> No, I didn't even imply that. Old fonts may have somewhat different
> metrics or hinting (or a thousand and one other things - different
> encodings, special characters, whatnot), and reflow is *always* a
> problem. I've even had baseline shift wierdness. Hell, reflow is a
> problem between copies of the same software without trying to use
> different font versions. You need to use the fonts your customer
> provided.
Well, I can dream can't I!!!
That is the problem. Our PC clients don't provide fonts. On the Mac I
usually don't have problems. We have a font server with Font Reserve. It is
like driving a Rolls.
Odysseus
>
> They also can contain the entire typeface - metrics, hinting, beziers,
> whatnot, in a single file. What a concept!
Not to mention ligatures, small caps, oldstyle figures, swashes,
alternate characters, and even other entire alphabets (Cyrillic,
Hebrew, &c.) -- still all in the same file.
--Odysseus
Eric Gill
Same rules should apply to everyone. Why don't they, and why aren't your
CSRs doing something abut it?
Just in case the answer is "they don't know of any software for the PC that
does that," Indy does itself, and for Quark there is the Meadows software,
both "free."
However, if you just *have* to keep using your own typefaces, OTF will work
on both platforms. Unfortunately, Diamondsoft, whilst being assholes enough
to buy Font Navigator and kill it, are also assholes enough that the truly
useful features of Font Reserve/Server aren't in the PC version, so you'll
still have to do the matching by hand.
> On the Mac I
> usually don't have problems. We have a font server with Font Reserve.
> It is like driving a Rolls.
I really could never bring myself to use FR for prepress. Same reasons as
above; you don't have control over which fonts it's activiating and you
need the ones provided by the client. Suitcase's old interface was always
my favorite - create a new set and point it at the folder containing that
job's fonts.
René Frej Nielsen
> > At work we use Suitcase as well, but what do you do about Multiple
> > Master fonts?
>
> Keep them the hell off my systems, if possible. Ever since Adobe bought and
> killed Ares font technology, there has been no reliable way to use them.
I have never really understood why MM fonts are so smart, but that may
be because I'm not a designer but is working in prepress.
> > Since Suitcase doesn't support them I have found no
> > other way than to install ATM LIte and activate the fonts with that.
> >
> > Are there any other possibilities?
>
> Unfortunately, no. I really wish Adobe would admit they are abandonware and
> hopefully cut down on their use.
Do they use them anymore?
> You have my sympathies, having to deal with clients that use them. It's
> been nearly a decade since I've had that experience.
Actually it's been quite a while since I last got print job with
Multiple Master fonts, but I bet that I will get one 2 minutes after I
uninstall ATM Lite.. :-)
> At any rate, ATM Lite is a lot less of a problem than ATM, unless they
> added auto-activation while I wasn't looking.
No fortunately they haven't. I really hate ATM Deluxe as it's completely
useless in a prepress environment where we have to temporarily activate
the clients fonts for each job. It's fine if you have your own private
collection of fonts from which it may choose from, but that is not the
case in my line of work.
Dan Rapp
>>
>> That is the problem. Our PC clients don't provide fonts.
>
> Same rules should apply to everyone. Why don't they, and why aren't your
> CSRs doing something abut it?
No, they just write the job up and dump it in my tray. I have to deal with
it since I am the only prepress person. The customers don't include the
fonts because they don't know where they are located. Since I am not a guru
on the PC, I don't know either. I know that isn't good but all my experience
has been on the Mac. There are folders of fonts all over that machine. I
thought the fonts were in C/windows/fonts then someone told me they were in
C/windows/fonts/atm. Anyway, I am spending my weekend trying to brush up on
the pc with the help of the prepress newsgroup.
I am very greatfull to everyone here!!
> Just in case the answer is "they don't know of any software for the PC that
> does that," Indy does itself, and for Quark there is the Meadows software,
> both "free."
I will pass that info along to the CSRs
> However, if you just *have* to keep using your own typefaces, OTF will work
> on both platforms. Unfortunately, Diamondsoft, whilst being assholes enough
> to buy Font Navigator and kill it, are also assholes enough that the truly
> useful features of Font Reserve/Server aren't in the PC version, so you'll
> still have to do the matching by hand.
I am trying to convince my boss to put font reserve on the PC. He has to
approve everything that is installed on the computers. He wants to make sure
all software is legal.
>> On the Mac I
>> usually don't have problems. We have a font server with Font Reserve.
>> It is like driving a Rolls.
>
> I really could never bring myself to use FR for prepress. Same reasons as
> above; you don't have control over which fonts it's activiating and you
> need the ones provided by the client. Suitcase's old interface was always
> my favorite - create a new set and point it at the folder containing that
> job's fonts.
On our version of FR you can select production or clients. I make sets on
the clients section and that way I know exactly what is being loaded.
Another thing I like about FR is that you don't get that Suitcase error like
you already have that font open in another suitcase.
MSD
5/26/03 2:42 PM:
---
Make sure you check out the legal aspects of subbing fonts.
If some client designs something - they must have the font -
and you need to use their licensed copy.
MSD
Eric Gill
>>> Well, I can dream can't I!!!
>>>
>>> That is the problem. Our PC clients don't provide fonts.
>>
>> Same rules should apply to everyone. Why don't they, and why aren't
>> your CSRs doing something abut it?
>
> No, they just write the job up and dump it in my tray. I have to deal
> with it since I am the only prepress person. The customers don't
> include the fonts because they don't know where they are located.
C:/windows/fonts/
or
c:/winnt/fonts/ (NT, 2K and XP by default want to use "WINNT" as the
system folder).
ATM uses its own folder, which you can find in the ATM settings. This is
one of my problems with it.
> Since I am not a guru on the PC, I don't know either. I know that
> isn't good but all my experience has been on the Mac. There are
> folders of fonts all over that machine. I thought the fonts were in
> C/windows/fonts then someone told me they were in C/windows/fonts/atm.
Jesus. Not helpful. Probably more scattered here and there.
Copying fonts by hand is as asinine on the PC as it is on the Mac. Use a
font manager and keep the fonts for a particular job in the job folder.
This keeps the right typefaces with the right job and makes
backups/restorations much easier. It also cuts down on the number of
typefaces installed at once.
> Anyway, I am spending my weekend trying to brush up on the pc with the
> help of the prepress newsgroup.
>
> I am very greatfull to everyone here!!
You're welcome.
<snip>
>> However, if you just *have* to keep using your own typefaces, OTF
>> will work on both platforms. Unfortunately, Diamondsoft, whilst being
>> assholes enough to buy Font Navigator and kill it, are also assholes
>> enough that the truly useful features of Font Reserve/Server aren't
>> in the PC version, so you'll still have to do the matching by hand.
>
> I am trying to convince my boss to put font reserve on the PC. He has
> to approve everything that is installed on the computers. He wants to
> make sure all software is legal.
Well, you're going to be dissapointed, I think. As I observed, Auto-
activation doesn't exist on the PC side, and no Server. Diamondsoft
doesn't like Windows.
<snip>
Eric Gill
> Eric Gill <eric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > At work we use Suitcase as well, but what do you do about Multiple
>> > Master fonts?
>>
>> Keep them the hell off my systems, if possible. Ever since Adobe
>> bought and killed Ares font technology, there has been no reliable
>> way to use them.
>
> I have never really understood why MM fonts are so smart, but that may
> be because I'm not a designer but is working in prepress.
Yeah, for a designer the idea is good. The implementation killed 'em.
>> > Since Suitcase doesn't support them I have found no
>> > other way than to install ATM LIte and activate the fonts with
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Are there any other possibilities?
>>
>> Unfortunately, no. I really wish Adobe would admit they are
>> abandonware and hopefully cut down on their use.
>
> Do they use them anymore?
You can still buy them, unfortunately. InDesign doesn't seem to support
MM properly, though. I'm going to take that as a sign that they just
aren't bothering and MM may finally fall over and die some year soon.
> Actually it's been quite a while since I last got print job with
> Multiple Master fonts, but I bet that I will get one 2 minutes after I
> uninstall ATM Lite.. :-)
Murphy was an optmist. I'll bet you're right.
>> At any rate, ATM Lite is a lot less of a problem than ATM, unless
>> they added auto-activation while I wasn't looking.
>
> No fortunately they haven't. I really hate ATM Deluxe as it's
> completely useless in a prepress environment where we have to
> temporarily activate the clients fonts for each job. It's fine if you
> have your own private collection of fonts from which it may choose
> from, but that is not the case in my line of work.
It's not that fine from a designer's standpoint, either. The interface is
clunky and on certain OSs, it causes fonts to fail to embed without
warning in Acrobat. That damned auto activate never worked right anc
caused all kinds of mess with fonts that appeared and disspeared at
random. Gack.
Well, keep a copy of ATM lite around just in case. I'll sacrifice an old
disk of bitmap fonts to the Font Gods on your behalf and hopefully you'll
never see MM again.
Dan Rapp
<miked...@attbi.com> wrote:
> Make sure you check out the legal aspects of subbing fonts.
> If some client designs something - they must have the font -
> and you need to use their licensed copy.
>
> MSD
Yes, assuming that they supply the fonts. If they don't, them I must do what
it takes to get the job done.
Since I am providing a service for the client, and they built the job. I
must assume that they own the fonts necessary to process the job, therefore,
I can substitute whatever fonts are necessary..
I am not the font police.
Marek Williams
>No, they just write the job up and dump it in my tray. I have to deal with
>it since I am the only prepress person. The customers don't include the
>fonts because they don't know where they are located. Since I am not a guru
>on the PC, I don't know either. I know that isn't good but all my experience
>has been on the Mac. There are folders of fonts all over that machine. I
>thought the fonts were in C/windows/fonts then someone told me they were in
>C/windows/fonts/atm. Anyway, I am spending my weekend trying to brush up on
>the pc with the help of the prepress newsgroup.
I'm a PC InDesign user. The printer I use has their own prepress
person using a Mac. It's a snap to handle this, but you need to
educate your customers.
First, read up in your InDesign manual about fonts. There is a special
folder in the InDesign program folder labeled /fonts. InDesign will
use any fonts that are installed on the system, and will also check
this folder as well. So you can drag fonts into this folder and
InDesign will automatically and immediately sense them and use them.
No other app will be able to use them, but if you are working on an
InDesign file, that is irrelevant.
Now, there is one additional neat thing. On the Mac you can drag any
old font into this folder and InDesign will use it happily. Even PC
fonts. And even old Type 1s and TrueTypes, either Mac or Win. The
Windows version of InDesign will do this also, but it can see only
Windows fonts; not Mac fonts. Therefore, the Mac is the better choice
because it can use either.
Now, to get your customers to send you their fonts, there is a super
simple little tool. Tell them to go into File > Package and follow the
instructions. This utility will create a folder labeled with the
filename, and then two subfolders, one for fonts and one for graphics.
The utility will go through the entire document and copy any fonts
used in the document into that folder, regardless of where on the PC
the font files are located. Similarly, it will copy all graphics
linked in the document into the graphics folder. And then it will make
a copy of the InDesign file as well. And finally, in the process it
will prompt the user with a bunch of questions and these will end up
being stored in the folder as a txt file -- customer name, phone
number, special instructions, etc.
Now, from your perspective, all you have to do is drag the fonts into
the /indesign/fonts folder and then open the InDesign file. You don't
need to install the customer's fonts on your Mac. And when you are
done, you can just clean out the /indesign/fonts folder. You could, of
course install the fonts on your Mac, but then you'd have to go try to
remember which ones they were in order to uninstall them after running
the job. Cleaning them out of the /indesign/fonts folder is much
faster and simpler. Just drag 'em in, run the file, drag 'em out.
Done.
If I were you I would write down these instructions and make the
document an instruction sheet for your clients. Save it in PDF format
too, so you can e-mail it to them.
There are similar utilities for QuarkXPress and PageMaker, although
neither of those have InDesign's /font folder capability. But at least
they will package everything up for the service bureau.
--
Bogus e-mail address, but I read this newsgroup regularly, so reply here.
René Frej Nielsen
> > Do they use them anymore?
>
> You can still buy them, unfortunately. InDesign doesn't seem to support
> MM properly, though. I'm going to take that as a sign that they just
> aren't bothering and MM may finally fall over and die some year soon.
Hopefully.
InDesign 1.5 and 2.0 behaves differently with MM fonts so I guess it's
not a priority at Adobe since they don't implement them properly
> Well, keep a copy of ATM lite around just in case. I'll sacrifice an old
> disk of bitmap fonts to the Font Gods on your behalf and hopefully you'll
> never see MM again.
Thanks :-)
Jono Moore
spa...@tdcadsl.dk wrote on 27.5.03 1:21 AM:
> Eric Gill <eric...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Do they use them anymore?
>>
>> You can still buy them, unfortunately. InDesign doesn't seem to support
>> MM properly, though. I'm going to take that as a sign that they just
>> aren't bothering and MM may finally fall over and die some year soon.
>
> Hopefully.
>
> InDesign 1.5 and 2.0 behaves differently with MM fonts so I guess it's
> not a priority at Adobe since they don't implement them properly
>
>> Well, keep a copy of ATM lite around just in case. I'll sacrifice an old
>> disk of bitmap fonts to the Font Gods on your behalf and hopefully you'll
>> never see MM again.
>
> Thanks :-)
I keep telling people fonts are Voodoo Black Magic but they don't believe
me...
MM fonts are definitely bad Juju.
Actually MM fonts aren't that bad once you know how to deal with them.
They'll just sneak up and kick ya in the ass when you least need an ass
kicking.
...Jono
Dan Rapp
Moore" <jSoP...@udoprinting.com> wrote:
> I keep telling people fonts are Voodoo Black Magic but they don't believe
> me...
>
> MM fonts are definitely bad Juju.
>
> Actually MM fonts aren't that bad once you know how to deal with them.
> They'll just sneak up and kick ya in the ass when you least need an ass
> kicking.
So tell us how to deal with then. It would make all of our lives better.