THE TRUTH

[measekite]

THE TRUTH

THERE ARE NO BRANDS OF PREFILLED CARTS. NOBODY HAS CUT AND PASTED FROM
ANY VENDORS WEBSITE CLEARLY MARKED INFORMATION OF A BRAND AND ITS
PRICE. NOBODY. IF YOU THINK THERE IS A BRAND IT IS NOW YOUR CHOICE.

NOBODY HAS MET THE CHALLENGE. JUST GO TO ANY WEBSITE YOU BELIEVE SELLS
BRANDED AFTERMARKET INKS OF PREFILLED CARTS AND CUT AND PASTE THE
INFORMATION INCLUDING THE PRICE SO WE CAN SEE.. IT WOUDL LOOK SOMETHING
LIKE THIS:

FORMULABS BRAND PREFILLED CARTS FOR CANON:: MODEL XXXX PRICE YYYY
AND THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE A PHOTO OF A SAMPLE CART. IT SHOUDL ALSO
HAVE A PROPER LABEL ON THE CART AND A BOX DISPLAYING THE NAME JUST LIKE
CANON, HP OR EPSON HAS.

YA ALL TALK BUT NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CHOICES WHERE THEY CAN BE TRACKED. AFTER MANY
PEOPLE USE A BRAND AND THERE ARE FEW REPORTS OF CLOGS AND OTHER PROBLEMS
THEN IT IS REASONABLE TO CONSIDER USING IT. ONLY BRANDS CAN BE TRACKED.

THERE IS NONE.

[Irwin Peckinloomer]

In article <yWBaf.9227$q%.3474@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
inkys...@oem.com says...
> THE TRUTH
IT SHOULD ALSO

> HAVE A PROPER LABEL ON THE CART AND A BOX DISPLAYING THE NAME JUST LIKE
> CANON, HP OR EPSON HAS.
>

In case you've never looked, Canon cartridges are not labeled as to the
source or lot number of the ink used. They don't make it themselves,
dummy. They are camera manufacturers, not chemists. They don't make the
motors, chips, LEDs, etc. in the printers either, but if you look
inside, they all have non-Canon markings. Why would you expect other
manufacturers to list all their parts & supplies vendors for you?

You are an unreasonable fool, and you're only fun to toy with for a
little while, and then you become a bore. Goodbye!

[Frank]

Our fuckwit moron old fart idiot wouldn't know the truth if it hit him
upside his stuck-on-stupid head.
What a total loser he is.
Frank

[Gary Tait]

Irwin Peckinloomer <sp...@trash.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1dd4c062b...@news.aracnet.com:

> In case you've never looked, Canon cartridges are not labeled as to the
> source or lot number of the ink used

I just looked. There is a lot number imprinted on the OEM carts in my
IP5000 printer. They might not directly mean anything though, as I suspect
they are basically a number in a database, or there is some sort of hash to
determine the ink lot and manfacture data.

[measekite]

Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

In article <yWBaf.9227$q%.3474@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, 
inkys...@oem.com says...
  

THE TRUTH
    

 IT SHOULD ALSO 
  

HAVE A PROPER LABEL ON THE CART AND A BOX DISPLAYING THE NAME JUST LIKE 
CANON, HP OR EPSON HAS.

    

In case you've never looked,

YOU PEOPLE REFUSE TO CUT AND PASTE BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS NOT THERE.  I CLICKED ON THE LINKS AND IT IS NOT THERE.  I WISH IT WAS BUT IT IS

NOT THERE

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISTORT AND LIE TELLING OTHERS TO GO TO THESE LINKS WHEN YOU KNOW IT IS NOT THERE.  WHY DON'T YOU END THIS CONVERSATION ALREADY AND SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT.  IF YOU FIND THE INFO THEN CUT AND PASTE IT INTO A REPLY SO WE CAN ALL SEE IT IS NOT THERE.  IF YOU CANNOT DO THIS THEN IT IS RATHER OBVIOUS IT IS NOT THERE.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE BRANDED AFTERMARKET CARTS AT ABOUT HALF THE PRICE AS CANON WHERE YOU COULD TRACK THE QUALITY (OR LACK OF IT).

THIS IS WHAT THE WEBVENDORS DO NOT WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO.  THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN SELL.

I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE A FEW OF THE REGULAR POSTERS IN THIS NG THAT ARE IN THE PRINTER AND INK BUSINESS AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MUCH OF THIS MISINFORMATION AND THEY DO NOT LIKE A PERSON LIKE ME TELLING OTHERS THE TRUTH.

TRIM

[measekite]

Frank wrote:

Irwin Peckinloomer wrote:

In article <yWBaf.9227$q%.3474@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, inkys...@oem.com says...

THE TRUTH

 IT SHOULD ALSO

HAVE A PROPER LABEL ON THE CART AND A BOX DISPLAYING THE NAME JUST LIKE CANON, HP OR EPSON HAS.

TRIM

Frank

[measekite]

YOU PEOPLE REFUSE TO CUT AND PASTE BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS NOT THERE.  I CLICKED ON THE LINKS AND IT IS NOT THERE.  I WISH IT WAS BUT IT IS

[measekite]

ATTENTION:

HE SAID HE KILLFILED ME.  HE SAID HE ONLY ANSWERS ME WHEN HE READS SOMEONE ELSES RESPONSE.

THIS IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO MY POST. 

YOU DO THE MATH.

[zakezuke]

>>Measekite said: Rant removed per request

It's not a problem tracking the quality of products esp among the name
brands listed. These name brands have been listed priviously. The
only person trully obsessed and being deceptive on the subject is you.

The few users that use third party products are sharing their experence
with them, doing exactly what you claim you are pro in this rant...
tracking the quality. Why don't you let them do this because it
benifits us all?

[measekite]

zakezuke wrote:

Measekite said:  Rant removed per request
      

HERE IS WHAT WAS SAID.  YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW THIS



Alan Justice wrote:

I used MediaStreet ink in my Epson 2200 for about 8 months.  Technically, it
cost 20% as much.  

But I had to throw away a lot more prints while figuring
out how to get good results. 

THESE PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.  THEY WILL NOT ADMIT WHAT YOU SAY HAPPENS TO MOST PEOPLE WHO USE GENERIC INK LIKE THIS

 Because the ink was more fragile, I had to
disengage the exit rollers that scuffed the prints (with flags routinely
provided by MS because they know of the problem).  

WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU DO NOT USE OEM

But that led to other
problems such as printing the end of each page (which I need).  So I went to
taping a card on the back of every sheet before feeding it.  I could go on
about the problems this produced, but suffice it to say that it was so
time-consuming to get good results that I'm giving up.  

READ THIS

Not to mention that
the ink ruined the printer:  

I HAVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THAT WHEN A VENDOR WILL NOT DISCLOSE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING (WHO THE MFG/FORMULATOR  IS) AND YOU CANNOT TRACK THE QUALITY UNDER A BRAND NAME THEN DO NOT BUY THAT STUFF.  MANY OF THESE POSTERS EVEN GO THROUGH THE MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS OF REFILLING THEIR OLD CARTS AND THEN WRITE POSTINGS ON HOW TO CLEAN THEIR CARPETS.

I LOVE IT.

All the additional head cleanings I had to do
caused the used ink reserevoir to fill up.  This is not user-serviceable.
The printer simple stopped working at all.
  

END OF READ THIS

--
- Alan Justice

"Davy" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:B128f.308918$cw3....@fe01.news.easynews.com...
  

Here's an article I found about 3rd party (non OEM) inks, may be
interesting for you to read-:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,942656,00.asp

and here's a snippet
    

We printed several types of files (including those with solid color
      

blocks, text, graphics, and photos) on both inexpensive, multipurpose
paper and expensive, glossy photo paper. We then ran the printouts
through the following tests.

~and~[quote:5793904ff4]
Issues not covered by our tests are how third-party inks hold up over
time and how they might affect your printer's performance over time—a
very controversial issue. The third-party ink sellers say there is no
risk to using their products. But representatives from Canon and
Hewlett-Packard warn that if a third-party ink cartridge damages a
part—clogging a printhead, for example—the warranty for that part
would be void. Let the buyer beware.[/quote:5793904ff4]

Lot more to read so well worth a peep.

Davy
    

I LOVED IT

It's not a problem tracking the quality of products esp among the name
brands listed.  

THESE ARE NOT BRANDS.  THEY ARE LABELS.  THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR SUPPLIERS AT ANY TIME.

These name brands have been listed priviously.  The
only person trully obsessed and being deceptive on the subject is you.
  

THE ONLY REALLY OBSESSED AND BEING DECEPTIVE AND NOT STRAGHT FORWARD IS YOU.  CUT AND PASTE THE INFORMATION.  OH NO YOU CANNOT BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR.

THIS IS YOUR CHALLENGE - CHICKEN

The few users that use third party products are sharing their experence
with them, doing exactly what you claim you are pro in this rant...
tracking the quality.  Why don't you let them do this because it
benifits us all?
  

READ ABOVE.   SEE THE PROBLEMS.  AND THIS IS FROM A VENDOR WHO YOU LIST AND YOU CLAIM IS A BRAND.  BUT IT IS NOT.  IT IS A WELL KNOWN WEB SELLER

[zakezuke]

Measekite said: Inane rant removed.

Alan Justice had bad luck with media street. I don't find that at all
shocking as well it's epson. Others have enjoyed better results. But
Media Street is a brand. They are a ODM for everything except perhaps
their "plug n' play" inks which are "image specalists", this
information I got from an intervew of the president of Media Street.
Their products are available in retail stores in a retail box. Just
plug in your zip code to find a local reseller.
http://www.mediastreet.com/site/index.html#dealer

Media Street meets all your inane requirements for brand name
cartridges, a standard that not even the OEM can meet.

The chalange has already been won, and with all due respect... you
lost. You were 100% absolutly wrong on this issue. If you had any
integrity what so ever you'd accept this *FACT*.

[measekite]

zakezuke wrote:

Measekite said:  Inane rant removed.
  

FOR THOSE WHO MISSED WHAT ALAN JUSTICE SAID HERE IS THE THREAD

zakezuke wrote:

Additional:
    

Jet-Tec
" Jet Tec inkjet cartridges are made in the UK by DCI Ltd and are
compatible with the latest and most popular types of printers."
  

THAT SAYS NOTHING.  I CAN SAY MY PANTIES ARE COMPATIBLE

<snip>
"· Established in 1989
· British Manufacturer with 280 employees
· Extensive in-house R&D department
  

WHERE IS THE BRAND INFORMATION

·<snip>
· In house ink formulation and production laboratory
· State of the art, custom built factory and tool making"
-- http://www.jettec.com/about_us.asp

I imagine I could continue but doing so would just make measekite look
more stupid than he already does. Unlike it's as he belives that 

I DO BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING

there
are a group of people on here who are conspiring to spread lies about
non-oem solutions 

I DO BELIEVE THE ABOVE

or if it's just measekite.  And well... the evidence
sugests it's just measekite and his paranoid conspiricy theories.

The point is there are brands... even brands that meet all of
Measkete's inane requirements for an ink cartradge to be a name brand.
  

THESE ARE NOT BRANDS.  AND BESIDES I READ ON THIS NG POSTS THAT JETTEC IS NOT VERY GOOD ANDHAS CLOGGED PRINTERS

A brand is just a label people recognize.  

NOT A MFG BRAND.  BUT THESE ARE JUST LABELS THAT SOME HACKERS RECOGNIZE.

Whether or not they are
actually the ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) has nothing to do with
it. 

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT

 If what Measekite said was so, then Dell, HP / Compaq, Sony
wouldn't nessicarly be name brands.  

THAT IS NOT TRUE

Even though being an ODM is just a
Measkite requirement... he can not say that 3rd party ODM cartridges do
not exist.  They do.. 

THEY DO NOT AND THAT IS A FACT.

this is a *FACT*.  It's a very small point, so I
don't know why he's obsessed with it... and he's wrong anyways so the
point is moot.

But i'm sure he'll find some way to justify himself in saying these lot
are not a brand, 

CORRECT

even though they meet all his requirements,
  

NO THEY DO NOT. THAT IS MY CALL NOT YOURS

requirements that not even Canon, HP, or Epson meet.
  

YES THEY DO

THE IS WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID

Alan Justice had bad luck with media street.  I don't find that at all
shocking as well it's epson.  Others have enjoyed better results.  

SOME PEOPLE HAVE WHO USE EPSON BUT THEY ALSO USED EPSON INK

But
Media Street is a brand. 

IS NOT A BRAND.  IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME GO TO THEIR WEBSITE. LOOK FOR PREFILLED CARTS.  FIND VERBAGE WHERE THEY DISCLOSE WHO THE MFG/FORMULATOR IS. 

YOUR CHALLENGE

ANYONE WHO FINDS THAT INFO CUT AND PASTE IT  SO WE CAN ALL LEARN SOMETHING.

I KNOW YOU WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING BECAUSE I JUST SCOURED THE SITE.

 They are a ODM for everything except perhaps
their "plug n' play" inks which are "image specalists", this
information I got from an intervew of the president of Media Street.
  

I THOUGHT YOU TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  THEY ARE NOT AN OEM.  AN OEM MANUFACTURES AT LEAST THE PRINTER AND THE INK AND MANY TIMES PAPER AS WELL IS SOLD UNDER THEIR NAME MADE TO THEIR ENGINEERING.

MOST PEOPLE OF ANY KIND OF INTILIGENCE WILL ADMIT THAT WHEN USING ALL OEM SUPPLIES YOU WILL GET THE BEST RESULTS.  I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COST.

Their products are available in retail stores in a retail box.  Just
plug in your zip code to find a local reseller.
http://www.mediastreet.com/site/index.html#dealer

Media Street meets all your inane requirements for brand name
cartridges, a standard that not even the OEM can meet.
  

THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.  DO YOU WORK FOR THIS COMPANY.

The chalange has already been won, 

YOU COULD NOT EVEN WIN PAMPERS

and with all due respect... you
lost.  

THAT IS A TV SHOW

You were 100% absolutly wrong on this issue.  If you had any
integrity what so ever you'd accept this *FACT*.
  

:-* :-* :-*

[Tony]

measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote:

(big snip of drivel)

>I KNOW YOU WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING BECAUSE I JUST SCOURED THE SITE.

Definition of scour

"To have diarrhoea. Used of livestock."

(Courtesy of of one of the online dictionaries.)

Seems appropriate to me, I expect you did exactly that.

(another big snip of drivel)

Tony

[Frank]

hehehehe...way to go Tony! :-)
Frank

[measekite]

Tony wrote:

BUSINESS BAD NOW?????

[measekite]

HA HA HA OH GOD

[Tony]

Thanks for asking; actually it has gone from good to very good ever since you
started to give OEM ink a bad name by your inept and transparent undercover
spamming for Canon.
Keep up the good work!
Tony

[measekite]

Tony wrote:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
GOTTA HAND IT TO YA. YOU HAVE BAMBOOZLED THE MORONS. IDIOTS, LIARS, AND
MANY OTHER INCOMPETENTS ON THIS NG. YOU MUST BE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO
THE BANK.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Frank]

hahaha...boy is this stuck-on-stupid or what! :-)
Frank

[measekite]

Frank wrote:

ha ha ha ha EVEN THOUGH U R YOU CAN NOW SPELL HA HA HA HA NOW TRY GOD
GOD GOD

[Taliesyn]

[Taliesyn]

[Tony]

measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote:
>Tony wrote:
>
>>measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>I KNOW YOU WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING BECAUSE I JUST SCOURED THE SITE.
>>>>>
>>>>Definition of scour
>>>>
>>>>"To have diarrhoea. Used of livestock."
>>>>
>>>>(Courtesy of of one of the online dictionaries.)
>>>>
>>>>Seems appropriate to me, I expect you did exactly that.
>>>>
>>>>(another big snip of drivel)
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>BUSINESS BAD NOW?????
>>>
>>Thanks for asking; actually it has gone from good to very good ever since you
>>started to give OEM ink a bad name by your inept and transparent undercover
>>spamming for Canon.
>>Keep up the good work!
>>Tony
>>

>GOTTA HAND IT TO YA. YOU HAVE BAMBOOZLED THE MORONS. IDIOTS, LIARS, AND
>MANY OTHER INCOMPETENTS ON THIS NG.

(silly stuff snipped)

Once again you are right I have done exactly that to all the morons, idiots,
liars and incompetents here.....the problem is there is only one of them and
that is you! And it's no sport really 'cos you are too easy to bamboozle.
None of the other readers and contributors are fooled in any way at all, they
know exactly what is kosher here and what is not.
Tony

[Peter Cornstalk]

<snip>

>>
>> ha ha ha ha EVEN THOUGH U R YOU CAN NOW SPELL HA HA HA HA NOW TRY GOD
>> GOD GOD

Ya that is a great way to gain credibility, type in all caps like a
raving lunatic.

[measekite]

Tony wrote:

>measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tony wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>I KNOW YOU WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING BECAUSE I JUST SCOURED THE SITE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Definition of scour
>>>>>
>>>>>"To have diarrhoea. Used of livestock."
>>>>>
>>>>>(Courtesy of of one of the online dictionaries.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems appropriate to me, I expect you did exactly that.
>>>>>
>>>>>(another big snip of drivel)
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>BUSINESS BAD NOW?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Thanks for asking; actually it has gone from good to very good ever since you
>>>started to give OEM ink a bad name by your inept and transparent undercover
>>>spamming for Canon.
>>>Keep up the good work!
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>GOTTA HAND IT TO YA. YOU HAVE BAMBOOZLED THE MORONS. IDIOTS, LIARS, AND
>>MANY OTHER INCOMPETENTS ON THIS NG.
>>
>>
>
>(silly stuff snipped)
>
>Once again you are right I have done exactly that to all the morons, idiots,
>liars and incompetents here
>
>

TRIM

>Tony
>
>
I KNEW IT. MORE MONEY FOR YOUR HONEY SO JUST HOLLER FOR DA DOLLAR

[Tony]

measekite <inkys...@oem.com> wrote:

(snipped lies and altered posts, all worthwhile comments left intact)

Tony

[Frank]

Tony wrote:

hahahahah..:-)
Frank

[Shooter]

Why do you all rise to this Plonker, Ignore all his posts, all you are doing
is to fuel him up. Consider what you do when you want to get rid of weeds.

"Peter Cornstalk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:aKmdnVhmW7f...@comcast.com...

[measekite]

Shooter wrote:

>Why do you all rise to this Plonker, Ignore all his posts, all you are doing
>is to fuel him up. Consider what you do when you want to get rid of weeds
>

IS A PLONKER LIKE A HOOTER? IT SOUNDS UNAMERICAN

[drc023]

"Shooter" <photoman5...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dkjepi$l2q$1...@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

> Why do you all rise to this Plonker, Ignore all his posts, all you are
> doing
> is to fuel him up. Consider what you do when you want to get rid of weeds.
>

I'd love to, but it's a little difficult to transmit third party RoundUp
over the internet. Maybe OEM RoundUp would work better. Weed-B-Gone works
pretty good as well. What we really need is Troll-B-Gone.
--
Ron

[Frank]

drc023 wrote:

I love it...'troll-be-gone'!
Frank

[Arthur Entlich]

Note to self: If you ever want to convince someone your inkjet ink is
better controlled, so you can therefore charge more for it, put a lot
number on the cartridge.

Not to Gary: I use many 3rd party inks sources, most, if not all have
lot numbers on them.

Art

Gary Tait wrote:

> Irwin Peckinloomer <sp...@trash.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.1dd4c062b...@news.aracnet.com:
>
>

>>In case you've never looked, Canon cartridges are not labeled as to the