DECNet Phase IV Manuals ?
Jerry Leslie
http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/
http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/
http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/
currently only has online versions of the DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS
documentation.
Could the Phase IV documentation be made available as well ?
Having the Phase IV documentation would help to debug network connectivity
problems for sites not running DECnet-Plus.
--Jerry Leslie (my opinions are strictly my own)
John E. Malmberg
in message news:8o0ehs$dke$1...@joe.rice.edu...
> The OpenVMS documentation site:
>
> http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/
> http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/
> http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/
>
> currently only has online versions of the DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS
> documentation.
>
> Could the Phase IV documentation be made available as well ?
>
> Having the Phase IV documentation would help to debug network connectivity
> problems for sites not running DECnet-Plus.
If you can find a set, the Pathworks V4 manual set had a very good section
on troubleshooting DECnet Phase IV.
-John
wb8...@qsl.network
Jerry Leslie
:
: If you can find a set, the Pathworks V4 manual set had a very good
Thanks, I'll see if that documentation still exists at this client's site.
It would still be convenient to have it online some place, perhaps a Legacy
Productions Documentation page, that would include UCX 4.2.
Hoff Hoffman
In article <8o19gv$923$1...@joe.rice.edu>, les...@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:
:It would still be convenient to have it online some place, perhaps a Legacy
All of this stuff predates the HTML-ization of the documentation.
AFAIK, only Bookreader and print versions were available for this.
I know of no current plans to HTML-ize older documentation versions,
though there is a group scanning in various older hardcopy manuals.
--------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------
Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com
Andrew C. Stoffel
hof...@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:
> In article <8o19gv$923$1...@joe.rice.edu>, les...@clio.rice.edu (Jerry
> Leslie) writes:
> :It would still be convenient to have it online some place, perhaps a
> :Legacy Productions Documentation page, that would include UCX 4.2.
> All of this stuff predates the HTML-ization of the documentation.
> AFAIK, only Bookreader and print versions were available for this.
[Hmmm... It's possible there's another message somewhere I haven't seen
yet related to this.... but anyway.... ]
I'm assuming that it's the DECnet Phase IV manuals that aren't
available in HTML...... I happen to have an HTML version of the
UCX 4.2 documentation which I got off of one of the VMS
documentation CD's last year (though at this point where I found it
escapes me. )
Simple with no frills... But IT works MUCH better with Apple's html
based Help system than some of the newer documentation I've "stuffed"
in there....)
-Andy-
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David A Froble
>
> In article <8o1dkp$9s7$1...@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,
> hof...@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:
> it's considered "older". Why can't Cpaq admit phase V is a bust and
> support the customers?
Maybe still a bit of telling the customer "we know what's best for you" hanging
around.
Ok, V has more features, and it'll get better. Still, if a customer's
requirements are satisfied with an easier to use product, one that is rather
static and therefore arguably more reliable, someone should remember that "the
customer is always right".
Dave
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 724-529-0596
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T-Soft, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486
jges...@yahoo.com
hof...@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:
> I know of no current plans to HTML-ize older documentation versions,
Gee, since phase IV is still used at _plenty_ of sites. It's too bad
it's considered "older". Why can't Cpaq admit phase V is a bust and
support the customers?
Jim
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Yuri Ermakov
"Jerry Leslie" <les...@clio.rice.edu> сообщил/сообщила в новостях следующее:
news:8o0ehs$dke$1...@joe.rice.edu...
> The OpenVMS documentation site:
>
> http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/
> http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/
> http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/
>
> currently only has online versions of the DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS
> documentation.
>
> Could the Phase IV documentation be made available as well ?
>
> Having the Phase IV documentation would help to debug network connectivity
> problems for sites not running DECnet-Plus.
>
>
Jerry Leslie
: http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/DECnet/PhaseIV/index.html
:
Thanks, Yuri. But what I was asking for was the Phase IV equivalent of
the manuals at:
http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/#decnet
especially:
DECnet-Plus Problem Solving
Order no: AA--Q18ZE--TE
Jordan Henderson
David A Froble <da...@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>jges...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> In article <8o1dkp$9s7$1...@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,
>> hof...@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:
>> > I know of no current plans to HTML-ize older documentation versions,
>> Gee, since phase IV is still used at _plenty_ of sites. It's too bad
>> it's considered "older". Why can't Cpaq admit phase V is a bust and
>> support the customers?
>
>around.
>
>Ok, V has more features, and it'll get better. Still, if a customer's
>requirements are satisfied with an easier to use product, one that is rather
>static and therefore arguably more reliable, someone should remember that "the
>customer is always right".
>
What's kind of frightening is that message you get when you install
Phase IV about how this product may require a separate support license
in the future.
I can just see the Compaq bean counters calculating the amount of
pain it would be to customers to change their "legacy" DECnet Phase IV
apps and exactly how much in dollars that could mean to Compaq.
>Dave
>
>--
>David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
>Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. Fax: 724-529-0596
>DFE Ultralights, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
>T-Soft, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486
-Jordan Henderson
jor...@compaq.com
Hoff Hoffman
In article <8o1uer$2fm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jges...@yahoo.com writes:
:In article <8o1dkp$9s7$1...@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,
: hof...@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:
:> I know of no current plans to HTML-ize older documentation versions,
:Gee, since phase IV is still used at _plenty_ of sites. It's too bad
:it's considered "older". Why can't Cpaq admit phase V is a bust and
:support the customers?
Maintenance contracts are available for both DECnet Phase IV and for
DECnet-Plus, with new work and new features and new support primarily
(and clearly) going into the IP stack and IP-based networking.
As for the DECnet Phase IV vs Phase V debate -- I don't care to rehash
all of the problems. I am quite familiar with the migration problems,
with the management interface problems, with the documentation problems,
with the what-is-a-backtranslation-failure, with the (since removed)
requirements for external OSI routers, and with the OSI vs IP vs DDCMP
discussions.
I am also familiar with some of the improvements in the more recent
releases of DECnet-Plus, but I would also expect that you and most other
folks will remain on Phase IV, and will probably be performing new work
and new configurations and new developments using either your existing
DECnet stack or (I expect rather more likely with) an IP stack.
The current state of DECnet affairs all boils down to picking one of the
two DECnet phases as the prefered (default) one -- either choice will
clearly not be popular with some number of customers.
Now as for rebuilding and HTML-izing the DECnet Phase IV manuals, that
would certainly be useful to some folks, but it involves a non-trivial
hunk of effort when the writer(s) could be working on documentation for
IP or for new OpenVMS features.
I may be able to pry loose the bookreader format manuals for an archival
documentation page, but I can't think of a justification for the HTML
conversion of the Phase IV manuals. Put another way, do you want me
doing the HTML conversion of this manual -- because I can quite likely
manage this myself -- but because of a deficit in my copious spare time
allowance, something else on my schedule has to "give". :-)
I'd really like to give everybody what they want, but I'll need an ECO
to extend the planetary rotational period first. :-)
Alan Frisbie
> In article <8o1dkp$9s7$1...@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,
> hof...@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:
>> I know of no current plans to HTML-ize older documentation versions,
> Gee, since phase IV is still used at _plenty_ of sites. It's too bad
> it's considered "older". Why can't Cpaq admit phase V is a bust and
> support the customers?
I agree. After having two Compaq support people try (and
fail) to make Phase V work here with a mix of VMS and RSX
systems, I just de-installed it and put Phase IV back in.
--
-- Alan E. Frisbie Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com
-- Flying Disk Systems, Inc. Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com
jges...@yahoo.com
> I may be able to pry loose the bookreader format manuals for an
archival
> documentation page, but I can't think of a justification for the
HTML
> conversion of the Phase IV manuals
How about running the bookreader manual (assuming you can find it)
through that Decus thing that converts it to text and then posting it
some where. Hopefully that will be easy enough that it gets done.
Beyond that some ambitious type could HTML it.
What do you think?
Brian Tillman
> I may be able to pry loose the bookreader format manuals for an archival
> documentation page, but I can't think of a justification for the HTML
> conversion of the Phase IV manuals. Put another way, do you want me
> doing the HTML conversion of this manual -- because I can quite likely
> manage this myself -- but because of a deficit in my copious spare time
> allowance, something else on my schedule has to "give". :-)
Why would ANYONE need to "HTML-ize" Bookreader format files, when WEBBOOK
exists and can display Bookreader documents is a web browser just fine?
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This opinion doesn't represent that of my company
Terry Kennedy
> http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/DECnet/PhaseIV/index.html
However, those are the manuals for *writing* a DECnet Phase IV implemen-
tation, not for *using* the *VMS* implementation that Compaq supplies.
Also, those manuals are out-of-date - for example, the MOP manual at that
site is V3.0.0, September 1983, while the one you get if you order it from
Compaq is V4.0.0, June 1992 (EK-DNA11-FS), and there are a number of sup-
plements to it which have never been formally released, like "MOP Registry
22 March 1993".
Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com
te...@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA
steven...@quintiles.com
Brian Tillman (tillman underscore brian at cpmx dot mail dot saic dot com)
wrote:
>>>Why would ANYONE need to "HTML-ize" Bookreader format files, when
WEBBOOK
exists and can display Bookreader documents is a web browser just fine?<<<
It's also possible to use Hyperreader from the WASD web server set. It's
remarkably good too.
Marty Kuhrt
>
>> I may be able to pry loose the bookreader format manuals for an
> archival
>> documentation page, but I can't think of a justification for the
> HTML
>
> How about running the bookreader manual (assuming you can find it)
> through that Decus thing that converts it to text and then posting it
> some where. Hopefully that will be easy enough that it gets done.
> Beyond that some ambitious type could HTML it.
>
Or how about getting the .SDML versions and letting someone run
them through DEC Document? I'd volunteer to give it a shot.