Recent OS/2 FidoNet Conf. Feed: 1 of 5
Timothy F. Sipples
conference. I don't plan to post such messages often, but I thought
some of the reaction to OS/2 2.0 GA from another network would be
useful.
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From: William Barr
To: Andy Grover Msg #2, Apr-01-92 13:27:14
Subject: OS/2 Points
AG> > IBM is bundling OS/2 2.0 with the new PS/1's. What's
AG> > the big deal. No one says you have to use the bundled
AG> > software anyway.
AG>WHOA! PS/1's are 286's right? OS/2 v2 doesn't even RUN on
AG>them! I'm confused...
The new PS/1 is 386SX based.
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From: David Liu
To: All Msg #3, Apr-02-92 21:43:00
Subject: Tape backup pgm
Can I run a Dos version Tape Backup pgm in a dos box to backup the harddisk(OS2
format)?
Thanks in advance!
David Liu
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From: Kevin Lowey
To: Joseph Thomas Msg #4, Apr-01-92 18:24:16
Subject: Differences between OS/2 and Windows
JT> Yes, My os/2 2.0 did not come with MS DOS as you claimed.
Ok, you caught me. OS/2 2.0 does not also give you the Microsoft MS-Windows
3.0 in another box, and MS-DOS 5.0 in another box. Instead, IBM took the MS-
Windows 3.0 and MS-DOS 5.0 source code, modified it so it runs under OS/2 2.0
much better than the separate products do, and then bundled it all on the OS/2
disks.
The point is that you don't have to seperately purchase MS-DOS 5.0 and MS-
Windows 3.0. The functions provided by those programs are included already in
OS/2.
JT> DOS, OS/2 and Windows are co-owned by MS and IBM.
Right, which is why IBM can get the source code for Windows and DOS and make
it work inside OS/2 2.0.
JT> So either one can stick one or other in their products.
Right, IBM did this, so I don't understand why you said in your first line
that you did NOT get DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.0 with your OS/2 2.0.
- Kevin
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*** See also #19.
From: Kevin Lowey
To: Larry A. pullen Msg #5, Apr-01-92 18:49:52
Subject: Os2 Vs windows
LAp> I know little about OS2 and would like expert advice on whether to
LAp> give it a try before committing to Windows in a new 486 system.
LAp> Is it the opinion of OS2 users that version 2 will run Windows Apps.
LAp> better than Windows as IBM advertises?
Did you really expect anyone in the OS/2 area to say it doesn't???
LAp> Also, will Windows NT do about the same thing OS2 2.0 will?
Right now, NT doesn't do much of anything.
When it comes out, it will do about the same as OS/2, but it will need a 486
and at least 16 Mb of RAM to do it.
- Kevin Lowey
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From: Brian Cole
To: All Msg #6, Apr-01-92 22:58:24
Subject: OS/2 upgrade in Canada
I just wanted to pass the latest news on to all of you.
I purchased OS/2 Version 1.3 in February, anticipating a
free upgrade to 2.0.
This morning, I called IBM Direct (in Canada) at 1-800-465-1234
and asked about the upgrade to 2.0. They faxed me an upgrade
form, which I completed and faxed back within an hour. I asked
if I had to follow-up and bug them and the IBM person said no.
But we did agree that it could take a few weeks to get the
package in my hot little hands... oh well.
AND, the form makes no mention of sending in a proof of license.
Instead, it suggests that proof MIGHT be requested, and that if
it is, a photocopy would be acceptable. And it even said that
I could keep OS/2 1.3 as long as I only run it on the same
machine as the one with 2.0 !!!
All in all, this was a completely painless process (except for
the waiting).
...Brian
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From: Rich Hall
To: Paul Fremantle Msg #7, Apr-02-92 07:57:02
Subject: NT size vs OS/2 GA
Hi Paul,
PF> The reviewer seems happy on the one hand to be shown a
PF> blinking C:\> prompt in an NT prompt as evidence that
PF> MS can produce solid DOS support on an ACE machine (he
PF> admitted that no programs were run in the DOS box). On
PF> the other hand he expresses deep concern that OS/2 2.0
PF> can't handle Win386Enh mode (as if he runs Mathematica
PF> 7 days a week!). This kind of double standard is
PF> particularly frustrating.
Yes, this is true, you can't run WIN386ENH mode under OS/2.. But why would
anyone want too ??? There is nothing to gain... OS/2 already does all the
things that windows enh mode does and then does lots more..
It sounds like this reviewer just likes to be on the BLEEDING EDGE topics, or
his is on MS's payroll now... 8-)
But with MS's requirements for NT (Which btw is the PORTABLE OS/2 3.0 project
renamed and hacked!) being astronomical, OS/2 will certainly have a great
oportunity to expand. Philpe Kahn stated in an article this past week that he
expects OS/2 to grow to more than 4 million users by the end of the year! And
Borland is fully behind OS/2! Watch for LOTS of new apps from them and others
very soon...
Rich
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*** See also #17.
From: Thom McElveen
To: Art Fellner Msg #8, Apr-02-92 18:10:00
Subject: Colorado Tape Systems
af> In a message on <30 Mar 92 16:35>, Thom Mcelveen (8:72/5)
af> writes:
af> TM>I left them a message reminding them that they are losing business to
af> TM>Irwin, hoping it would give them incentive.
af> I wouldn't get too excited about CMSs ability to develop
af> software. I was told the same thing over a year ago.
Thanks for the tip. With the price reductions I've seen lately, the Irwins
look like the clear winners. Guess it's time for me to make the switch to an
OS/2 supporter!
/thom
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From: George Mays
To: Michael Monaco Msg #9, Apr-01-92 19:33:14
Subject: Re: Desktop
> with windows and cannot stand the fact that you cannot drag
> an actual file
> to the desktop. Does the OS/2 file system allow you to
> drag an actual file
> to the desktop or is the icon merely a representation of
> the path to that
> file as with Norton Desktop. I cannot find any articles
> that clarify this
I am not sure what you mean when you refer to "the desktop",
but you can use file manager to drag a file or several files from one disk
(and/or subdir) to another disk (and/or subdir), using the Move or copy file
function.
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From: Mike Berry
To: Evan Wagner Msg #10, Apr-02-92 15:20:20
Subject: Re: OS/2 Memory requirments
EW>OS/2 2.0 is limited to 16 megs of RAM, but future releases will
EW>expand that limitation.
OS/2 2.0 is NOT limited to 16 megs of RAM.
Mike
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*** See also #23.
From: Mike Berry
To: Shannon Jones Msg #11, Apr-02-92 15:33:26
Subject: Re: OS/2 Points
>DO> Because IBM is also a hardware manufacturer. MicroSoft isn't.
>DO> Bundling the operating system with a computer made by
>DO> the same company raises the neck hairs of an anti-
>DO> trust attorney something awful.
SJ>IBM has been bundling the operating system with their systems for
SJ>years. If IBM was going to have legal problems with it, then they
SJ>would have had them with PC-DOS.
Beg your pardon? IBM has not been bundling the OS with their systems
for years. Not since they were sued and forced to unbundle quite a
few years ago. To the best of my knowledge they have never bundled
PC-DOS.
Mike
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*** This is a reply to #2.
From: JOHN FAUGHNAN
To: All Msg #12, Apr-02-92 13:05:58
Subject: how to upgrade to os/2 from windows
Here's how to upgrade from Windows to OS/2. Info is from the 800
order line which is SWAMPED! You have to be patient and listen to
the jazzy music. Other resellers may support a different upgrade
process. Offer good to July 31st.
1. Call 1-800-3-IBM-OS2.
2. Use your mastercard, visa, or amex to place an order for OS/2.
Cost is $49, plus $5 (shipping), plus state tax.
3. You now have 30 DAYS to send in the title page from the Windows
user manual to:
IBM Corp.
OS2 Upgrade
WC4F
2300 Windy Ridge Parkway
Marietta, GA 30067
IF IBM does NOT receive the page within 30 days they will charge a
$50 additional fee to your credit card (i.e. you pay $99 for os/2).
They do NOT wait to receive the page but start processing the
order immediately and will ship your copy of OS/2.
Bon Voyage!
... Internet: 486...@mcimail.com
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From: George Marengo
To: Paul Breedlove Msg #13, Apr-02-92 04:02:00
Subject: Re: Pmcomm
PB>George Pmcomm does display the IBM graphics characters.
PB>Make sure you are connected at 8,N,1. The IBM graphics
PB>characters are greater then 127 so they can not be display
PB>with 7 data bits.
Maybe I'm using the wrong term for what I see but on some bbs's,
mainly WWIV, I don't see the same thing that I see with other
comm packages. For instance, I can't see a blinking red
character with PMComm although I can see it with other packages.
Maybe it's called extended ANSI or extended IBM graphics. On
TE/2 those such characters are supported in the "ANSI-TE/2"
terminal emulation mode but *not* in "ANSI" terminal mode. In
ANSI mode the display is the same as on your program. All of my
entries are 8,N,1 except for GEnie, which suggests 7,E,1. Do I
need to have Ansi.sys loaded ?
PB>By the message you left me on our BBS you have found the
PB>problem you were having with the OS/2 2.0 beta and using
PB>Zmodem for uploads and downloads. I'm glad you have that
PB>fixed.
Out of about 20 downloads I had one hang on me, forcing a
reboot. I changed the init. sequence from the default to the one
suggested in the modem docs, saved it in NVRAM and then entered
ATZ^M as the init string in PMComm. Now it works well.
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From: Carsten Thomsen
To: All Msg #14, Apr-02-92 15:00:16
Subject: OS/2 tape Backup
Hello everybody, I have a little problem finding a Tape Backup Program (PM)
that supports tape drives based on the floppy controller and actually works
with LanManager 2.1!!! Can anybody help???
greetings
Carsten Thomsen
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From: Norbert Fuerst
To: Sue Anderson Msg #15, Apr-02-92 18:14:16
Subject: same old song and dance - never mind
Servus, Sue.
Thanks for the pleasure reading your message :)
The only thing I missed was:
SA> In hopes of finding some intelligent viewpoints on new technologies and
SA> trends I was disapointed to find the usual text book definitions of
Where did you look for viewpoints etc.? Maybe it's the beginning of a "better
discussion/2 than discussion/1.x" :)
Norbert
PS.: You aren't the "Boy named Sue", are you?
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From: Norbert Fuerst
To: Tony Frey Msg #16, Apr-02-92 18:19:34
Subject: BIOS
Servus, Tony.
TF> I remember hearing a while back that AMI
TF> had trouble with 2.0. Is this still true?
As far as I can see it, there aren't any trobles with AMI BIOS' any longer if
there is a > 'K8' PROM installed.
Personally, I would prefer AWARD, but I'm lucky with my PS/2's...
Norbert
:)
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From: Norbert Fuerst
To: Paul Fremantle Msg #17, Apr-02-92 18:26:18
Subject: NT size vs OS/2 GA
Servus, Paul.
PF> This kind of double standard is particularly frustrating.
Never mind. I'm in the boat since CP/M changed to PC-DOS and used in this. As
an 'IBM-friendly-human' I've seen lots of bashing. After a while, the people
found out and changed their mind - silently.
Norbert
PS/2.: Me too, years ago. But it hasn't happened silently :)
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*** This is a reply to #7.
From: Randy Gill
To: Derrick Rowe Msg #18, Apr-02-92 21:53:00
Subject: Re: STACKER for 2.0!
I think I'll start a rumour here and say that its VERY likely that Stacker
will come out soon for OS/2. What makes me think that?
Elementary: Stac Electronics (makers of Stacker) are a local company here.
To my knowledge Stacker is their only product. They have run a couple of ads
here in the local paper looking SPECIFICALLY for OS/2 programmers. Gee,
wonder what they're thinking of?
Shhhhhh... Don't tell a soul! :)
/* RG in San Diego */
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From: Joseph Thomas
To: Kevin Lowey Msg #19, Apr-03-92 09:39:32
Subject: Differences between OS/2 and Windows
Mea Culpa, It does not matter what package, it is the same DOS and others,
I just have my preference for os/2, that is all. Thanks, have a good one.
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*** This is a reply to #4. *** See also #102.
From: Tony Bearman
To: Mike Hobbs Msg #20, Apr-02-92 20:08:50
Subject: Windows under OS/2
On Mar-30-92, Mike Hobbs wrote to Kwok Leung:
MH> generates a GP fault, at the same address each time.
MH> Might as well add WordPerfect to that list.
WordPerfect will send you a new install disk to remedy that. (OS/2 Windows
doesn't have the MS bug that WPC had to work around)
Tony.
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*** See also #58.
From: Tony Bearman
To: Tom Ruddy Msg #21, Apr-02-92 20:22:20
Subject: OS/2 V2 ForSale
On Apr-01-92, Tom Ruddy wrote to All:
TR> ForSale: I have several Version 1.0 License Pages. These and a form
TR> from IBM (which I can supply) will get you a complete copy of OS/2
TR> Version
TR> 2.0 sent to you directly from IBM. Looking for serious offers. Version
TR> 2.0
Note that this does not apply in Canada.
Tony.
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*** See also #24.
From: Joseph Thomas
To: All Msg #22, Apr-03-92 09:58:18
Subject: OS/2 2.0 Availablity
Last week I called IBM and they said Upgrade form will be mailed to
whomever calls, and IBM have not placed it in Atlanta BBS, may be it
is there by now.
I am going to attend os/2 2.0 presentation tomorrow 4-4-92, and
eager to see what the actual GA looks like.
I will post any new develpments, after tomorrows seminar.
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From: Joseph Thomas
To: Mike Berry Msg #23, Apr-03-92 10:04:20
Subject: Re: OS/2 Memory requirments
Os/2 limit is 512 MB Ram.
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*** This is a reply to #10. *** See also #54.
From: Joseph Thomas
To: Tony Bearman Msg #24, Apr-03-92 10:07:42
Subject: OS/2 V2 ForSale
To my knowledge, Os/2 1.0 has been discontinued by IBM and they will not
support or acknowlede 1.0 since Last year. So the licence page from
v 1.0 is not worth much. Corrct me if I am wrong.
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*** This is a reply to #21.
From: Ivan Schaffel
To: Mario Dulisse Msg #25, Apr-03-92 09:13:00
Subject: Re: OS2 & Booting from floppies.
> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to make bootable
> floppy diskettes from os2 2.0? By bootable I mean make
> an os2 floppy like I can a dos floppy with the boot
> files on it.
Yup. You need a 1.44 though. If you also want to run chkdsk against an HPFS
volume, you will also need a 1.2 floppy in the B: drive.
--- Squish/2 v1.01
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*** See also #57.
From: Ivan Schaffel
To: All Msg #26, Apr-03-92 18:22:00
Subject: Good News
The shrink-wrapped version of OS/2 2.0 is already in the distributors
warehouse. (at least at Ingram-MicroD). Therefore, the stores should have it
when IBM gives them the go-ahead, which I *guess* should be 4/7/92 to coincide
with Comdex. They are labled three ways. MS-Windows upgrade, DOS upgrade and
the normal for-sale. I suspect that on the inside, all products are the same.
--- Squish/2 v1.01
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From: Theo Mues
To: Shannon Jones Msg #27, Apr-02-92 09:18:28
Subject: OS/2 Viruses
Hello Shannon!
Sunday March 29 1992, Shannon Jones writes to Simon Pope:
SJ> The anti-virus software vendors don't see a big enough market to
SJ> write OS/2 specific viruses :). As soon as an OS/2 specific virus
SJ> is discovered, you will hear about it first in this echo.
What about Dr Solomons AV kit for OS/2 2.0?
Theo
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*** See also #30.
From: Theo Mues
To: Brian Hampson Msg #28, Apr-02-92 09:20:34
Subject: @#$% Numlock
Hello Brian!
Sunday March 29 1992, Brian Hampson writes to All:
BH> Could someone out there point out a solution ot a problem that has
BH> been driving me crazy? How do I get the NUMLOCK to be in an ON state
BH> after OS/2 loads? When a window is opened? etc?
We've asked IBM several times for a solution, without result. They send us
some programms, but they don't satisfy.
If enyone has a solution, we're also interested.
Theo
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*** See also #31.
From: Theo Mues
To: Kwok Leung Msg #29, Apr-02-92 09:27:10
Subject: Comm manager cfg files
Hello Kwok!
Saturday March 28 1992, Kwok Leung writes to Theo Mues:
KL> I just discovered how to print out my APPC
KL> settings. I go into the APPC configuration, and go to the view
KL> option, and there is an option there to put things into a file. I
KL> used it and things do come out. May be other areas of the CM has
KL> similar kind of feature, but I doubted there is one that prints
KL> everything, in one operation.
Thanks for the reply, we'll try it and let you know the result.
Theo
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From: Theo Mues
To: Kwok Leung Msg #30, Apr-02-92 09:29:10
Subject: Os/2 Viruses
Hello Kwok!
Saturday March 28 1992, Kwok Leung writes to Sean Lincolne:
KL> No, you are not. This IBMSCAN thing works on OS/2 too. We used it
KL> to scan lots of PC's in the last Michaelangelo non-scare.
Mich ain't a real OS/2 virus. Does IBMSCAN find real OS/2 viri?
Theo
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*** This is a reply to #27.
From: Theo Mues
To: David Wright Msg #31, Apr-02-92 09:33:22
Subject: @#$% Numlock
Hello David!
Monday March 30 1992, David Wright writes to Brian Hampson:
DW> I wrote a quick and dirty program to do this a while ago. It's
DW> called numlock.exe. Gerry has it at the Idle Task 1:153/905. The BBS
DW> number is (604)273-5588. Numlock's only function is to turn numlock
DW> on, it also works in a DOS session.
Does is work all over the sessions or must you run numlock every time, you
open a DOS or OS/2 session?
Theo
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*** This is a reply to #28.
From: Theo Mues
To: Kevin Lowey Msg #32, Apr-02-92 09:36:44
Subject: OS/2 viri - they DO exist
Hello Kevin!
Sunday March 29 1992, Kevin Lowey writes to All:
KL> Everyone, please keep in mind that any virus that infects the
KL> partition table and boot sector, such as the Michaelangelo virus, is
KL> usually operating system independant.
Mich is a DOS-virus. I don't think is works will work on OS/2 machines with
HPFS. DOes real OS/2 viri exist? You say that it's operating system
independant. May a conclude that a Macintosh with DOS-mounter or connected to
a Novell Lan can also be infected with Mich? Another example, a Mac with DOS-
mounter is connected to a VAX, does it mean that the VAX can also be infected?
Theo
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From: Charlie Turner
To: Marshall Freedland Msg #33, Apr-03-92 04:03:00
Subject: Amiga vs OS/2v2
MF> I've just been given a demo of a computer called an Amiga
> and I am impressed. Talk about multitasking, this seems to
> be able to run so many programs at once, all depending on
> how much RAM, of course. I'll tell you, I was very, very
> impressed.
Yes, it will be ironic if the success of OS/2 v2 sensitizes the PC
public to the benefits multi-tasking and virtual memory, and that
in turn then finally 'legitimizes' the Amiga (which has had a multi-task
OS from day one) as a modern and serious computer platform. Some demos
I've seen at local Amiga PC club meetings have been quite impressive.
Something the Amiga has that OS/2v2 doesn't (as far as I know) is its
A-Rexx capability of cross task communications. I think Rexx processes,
running indipendantly in separate windows, can communicate with each
other somehow.
In OS/2 would this be done with a named pipe Rexx API? Is there such a
thing?
-- SPEED 1.10 [NR]: Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!
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From: Charlie Turner
To: All Msg #34, Apr-03-92 04:03:04
Subject: OS/2 Comdex FTN
As has been noted several times, IBM will originate an OS/2 2.0 FTN
broadcast from Comdex next Tue (4/7) at 1:15PM EST. Most folks can
probably drop by their local IBM office to see this.
However, it will be broadcast in the clear - and here are the satelite TV
coordinates for those who have the necessary KU-band equipment to
recieve it.
Satelite SBS-5 at 123 degrees west long., transponder 9,
horizontal polarity, 12.117 gHz center freq., 6.8 mHz audio sub chan.
-- SPEED 1.10 [NR]:
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From: Duane Rutan
To: All Betas Msg #35, Apr-03-92 22:00:00
Subject: Free Upgrades?
Heard the Beta Bashers are to get free upgrades...true?
If so when shipping?
If so is it automatic?
Or do we have to send in forms?
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From: Piyadaroon Kalayanamit
To: Doug Shields Msg #36, Apr-03-92 15:35:18
Subject: Re: Win -> OS/2 2.0 $79
* Reply to msg originally in Windows Users Echo
In a message to All <dated 31 Mar 92 23:57:30>,
Doug Shields writes:
DS> I captured this from the IBM BBS in Vancouver today (March 31).
DS> In brief, there is a $79 upgrade from Windows, and $159 from DOS.
DS> Why not upgrade to OS/2 2.0 ?
DS> 1. You want to wait 10-12 months to see MS rename it Win NT.
DS> 2. You don't like IBM.
DS> 3. You don't have a 386+ (your obsolete).
DS> 4. You don't like taking advantage of a good deal.
Yes for 1 and 2. No for 3 and 4.
DS> Considering the cost of the 25-30 1.44Mb HD disks it comes on, you
DS> could buy OS/2 and reformat the disks for less than they cost in the
DS> store.
DS> Please address any replies to the OS2 echo.
Thanks but no thanks. I can buy 25 HD disks locally at $19.99 US. (BTW, I
don't know if my message is off-topic for this conference. If it is, I'm
sorry. I just drop by because of your invitation.)
[Continued...]
Timothy F. Sipples
Regards,
Piyadaroon Kalayanamit
P.S. No replies necessary 'cause I rarely monitor this conference. Thanks.
... Smile! It makes people wonder what you're up to.
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From: Albert Shan
To: Jim Gilliland Msg #37, Apr-03-92 04:59:00
Subject: Os/2 2.0 Ga
Got mine running here too! So far, this is the 3rd system I/we
installed. I got Gerry Rozema up already, his LAN, Maximus are all
running. We did encounter several bugs (keep opening folders with
thousands of icons, and 2.0 will get sick, and requires CAD).
Get this: After Gerry got GA installed, he modified his CONFIG.SYS and
made all the necessary changes for Max. After rebooting the system,
Maximus came up, and we instantly have a caller. We're looking at the
logon screen (4 of us), and the caller type 'Albert Shan' as the logon
ID while I was there. A virtual caller calling a virtual memory
operating system?! (As it turned out, it was my brother calling to
download mail for me... :-) )
JG>The following Super VGA boards have been tested
JG>and found to work with OS/2 2.0 for DOS
JG>applications that make use of SVGA modes:
JG>o Orchid ProDesigner IIs by Orchid Technology
JG> (ISA and MCA versions)
JG>o Trident TVGA by Trident Microsystems, Inc.
JG> (8900b and c levels)
JG>o STB PowerGraph VGA by STB Systems, Inc.
JG>o Video Seven VRAM II, by Video Seven
JG>o Boca Super VGA by Boca Research Inc.
JG>o VGA Wonder XL Series by ATI Technologies, Inc.
More than that: Gerry got his V-RAM 800x600 16-color OS/2 1.3 driver
working with the first try. Everything is there, including scroll bar
buttons. It's likely that other 1.3 drivers for other SVGAs may work
also.
So far, I have found several minor bugs. In general, I found GA to be
very fast (drive folder is now usable!). No more INT13 driver for
UltraStor ESDI with drive > 512MB (No BASEDEV=INT13 in my CONFIG.SYS).
More reports for bugs/performance benchmark later...
Albert
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From: Albert Shan
To: All Msg #38, Apr-03-92 01:16:02
Subject: Os/2 2.0 And Tape Backup
As I type this, I have my Irwin AccurTrak running in the background with
PMTape 2.01 beta and OS/2 GA.
Albert
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From: Albert Shan
To: Robert Mahoney Msg #39, Apr-03-92 01:21:04
Subject: Hpfs Benchmarks
RM> After you created the files did you time how long it took to create
RM>a file called AAA or, MMM or ZZZ so we could get hard benchmarks on
RM>the balancing issue?
I did a copy to the Axxx and the Zxxx region: same speed.
Albert
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From: Albert Shan
To: Jim Heifetz Msg #40, Apr-03-92 01:22:06
Subject: Csds
JH>AS>In Canada, anyone can
JH>AS>call an 1-800 number, and order any CSD with no charge.
JH>Can you please post the number? When I called IBM for help getting CSDs
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From: Albert Shan
To: Mario Dulisse Msg #41, Apr-03-92 01:24:08
Subject: OS2 Comm Question
MD>AS> OS/2 1.x and 2.0 enable 16550 FIFO at boot up, and will use it for
MD>AS> all
MD>AS> you comm programs. Don't know whether 2.0 will detect a brain-dead
MD>AS> 16550, however, it'll always run if the chip behaves like a 16450.
MD>AS>
MD>Albert, what about dos programs that REQUIRE fossil
MD>support? Will you still have to load the fossil up in the
MD>dos box, or does os2 provide the tranparent functionality
MD>of a FOSSIL driver ?
I don't run a BBS, so I don't really know for sure. I would imagine the
support be transparent. You may still need to load FOSSIL in order to
put a signature in memory -- some comm programs die if it couldn't find
it.
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From: Albert Shan
To: All Msg #42, Apr-03-92 05:22:12
Subject: 8514.DLL broken for GA
My testing shows that the 8514.DLL driver is broken for OS/2 2.0 GA.
With 8514/Ultra (ROM V1.35V1) and ET4000 SVGA as pass thru', opening any
full-screen DOS window will cause an 'invisible' illegal instruction
trap. The VGA video registers are completely screwed up, and the screen
is blank. Pressing Enter will terminate the trap screen and returns to
WPS. After the trap, I can no longer open any OS/2 full-screen session,
and any DOS session whether windowed or full screen (illegal
instruction executed, it says). A CAD is required to recover.
The only way to get full screen DOS session is to open a windowed DOS,
then press Alt-Home. And don't run any action games with full-screen
DOS, it will give same result as above (have to run a game windowed,
then press Alt-Home to make it full screen).
Aside from the bug, this new 8514.DLL fixes 2 bugs I found previously:
overlapping window scroll, hangs/trap D on some VIO calls when the
window is not the active one.
Also, Windows full-screen on 8514 still requires XGA8514 IO TRAP to be
on, and is still painfully slow.
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From: Albert Shan
To: All Msg #43, Apr-03-92 05:12:14
Subject: cache on GA
Initial testing of PC Mag disk benchmark shows excellent benchmark
result on both HPFS and FAT (FAT is now less than 2X slower compare
to HPFS). My other test program, which creates 2600 files in a
directory is somehow slower than before (probably needs some cache
tuning). More on that later.
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From: Albert Shan
To: All Msg #44, Apr-03-92 05:13:16
Subject: DIR bug in GA
With a directory of 2600 files, a DIR /O:g on HPFS will cause a R6000
runtime error - stack overflow, and the OS/2 window dies.
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From: David Wright
To: Mike Dross Msg #45, Apr-02-92 00:26:00
Subject: HPFS Reformat 2.0 ?
MD> I have 1.3 installed on my IBM Model 95 with HPFS. My question is, when
MD> I get 2.0 will I have to Reformat my 400mb HD? This would really be a
MD> problem, since I don't have a tape backup drive.
You don't have to reformat the drive, but the betas had trouble dealing with
old OS2.INI files. Delete the *.INI files from the OS2 directory and rebuild
them scratch once the new OS is up and runnung.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Tony Psaltis Msg #46, Apr-02-92 00:42:44
Subject: Install probs w/5.25 b:
TP> I just read in a recent Info World that the OS/2 install program will
TP> not work on a machine with a 5.25 drive B installed.
TP>
TP> Has anyone ran across this problem?
TP>
TP> Is there a work-around other than removing the drive? (i.e. changing
TP> CMOS parameters)
The problem is Info World. Immediate solution is to cancel subscription.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Mario Dulisse Msg #47, Apr-02-92 00:49:12
Subject: Re: Floppy question
MD> TP> Under OS/2 the floppy drive will always be FAT based (never HPFS).
MD> So
MD> TP> you can write to your heart's content... and be able to read it on
MD> TP> any DOS machine. That is a s long as you don't use the long
MD> filename
MD> TP> option of OS/2.
MD>
MD> What about extended attributes? How are they handled when you want to
MD> transfer a file via floppy from one os2 machine to another?
When copying files with long names to a FAT drive OS/2 will truncate the
name to fit. So make sure all files you copy to a FAT drive have a unique
first 8 characters or a unique extension. Extended attributes are kept in a
hidden file in the root directory of a FAT drive. As long as you copy the
files using OS/2, the EAs will go with them.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Pete Norloff Msg #48, Apr-02-92 00:59:20
Subject: Os/2 ram disk??
PN> 6.307e uses memory above the 16 MB limit now.
On cheapo clones? Or just IBMs?
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Ton den Hartog Msg #49, Apr-03-92 12:26:10
Subject: Re: Sector not found err
Td> Surely you can get a LA copy from someone ? I didn't get my beta from
Td> IBM Netherlands either. Not official anyway...
March 31st the LA SDK arrived. Well MS Canada was typically 3-4 months
late... I can get the beta OS's from the local IBM office, but I need the
SDKs. I could get them elsewhere, but it's not always convenient.
Td> DW> Yukk! The mail just arrived. I'm sure you can guess what was in
Td> there.
Td> DW>It's too unspeakable to mention. Excuse me, I'm going to have to
Td> go burn
Td> DW>it.
Td>
Td> Not a folder for CP/M-386, is it ? :-)
Yeah, that's the one. $59.99 + $7.50 S&H vs FREE. Hmmm, tough decision.
NOT!
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Jaap Geluk Msg #50, Apr-03-92 12:44:04
Subject: Re: No multithreading in Win3
JG> No way. OLE is just a layer on top of DDE which makes it easy to
JG> communicate between programs...
JG> SOM is a complete classtree like you have a classtree in C++ or
JG> Smalltalk.
Yeah, I've got the docs for SOM, pretty powerful stuff. :) Haven't had time
to play with it yet though. :( What I'd really like to know is how to answer
the original question. What is in OS/2 that does what what OLE does. And for
that matter, what does OLE actually do?
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Ivan Schaffel Msg #51, Apr-03-92 13:08:00
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 Vs. Os/2 2.0
IS> > them. Do not use disk re-organizers with a drive
IS> > containing files used by OS/2. If a directory entry
IS> > is changed by DOS, the extended attributes for the
IS> > file will be lost.
IS>
IS> Vopt works just fine on my C: drive which is fat and houses OS/2. Ditto
IS> with DS from Norton. Remember the EA files are locked and hidden and
IS> neither of the above utilities touch them, other than to remark that
IS> they are there and are not moved.
EA DATA. SF can be unhidden and de-fragged. In that respect there's nothing
special about the file. The problem with de-fraggers is they often will also
compress the directories, that is, move the entries to the head of the
directory, displacing any deleted entries. When this happens, they may not
move the information in the reserved bytes to the new location. If they move
the 32 bytes for the entry as a block, there won't be a problem. A de-fragger
like VOPT will probably use this technique to speed things up. The kind of
utilities you have to be careful with are those that use DOS calls to update a
directory. Programs that use only DOS calls will however work under OS/2,
since OS/2's DOS calls will handle the EAs. It's a case where the quick and
dirty are safe under DOS but the programs that use DOS calls are only safe
under OS/2.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Mario Dulisse Msg #52, Apr-03-92 13:47:54
Subject: Re: HPFS extended attributes
MD> DW> filenames or extended attributes that HPFS supports.
MD> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
MD> Is it only the HPFS side that has extended attributes? Or dos FAT have
MD> them too under os2.?
Sorry about that. Don't know what I was thinking at the time. It's OS/2
that supports EAs. HPFS was just the file system that they were introduced
with. FAT support has been kludged into the system, while it's not as fast,
it is every bit as effective.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Don Dawson Msg #53, Apr-03-92 14:42:22
Subject: The Mouse
DD> I did. When I restored from my b/u (no format of drive C: beforehand),
DD> when I later booted, CHKDSK reported a bunch of errors (it may have
DD> said 'cross linked clusters). Anyway, when I later looked at the HD,
DD> it looks like I had TWICE the number of (about 30 vs 15) "hidden
DD> files". Someone here taught me about "EA's" (Extended Attribute
DD> files).
I think it's time to reformat and start again.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Steve Sedlmeyer Msg #54, Apr-03-92 15:09:08
Subject: Os/2 Memory Requirments
SS> RW>OS/2 itself can address up to 512 MB of real memory. Most ISA bus
SS>
SS> JS>That's 512MB of real memory _per process_!
SS>
SS> No, thats 512MB of real memory in the machine. It's 512MB of VIRTUAL
SS> memory per process.
The last time I looked into this was about a year ago, so the limits might
have changed. Assuming they have not, 512MB of RAM can be used by
applications, the remaining 3.5GB is reserved for the operating system's use.
Beyond that 2GB of virtual memory is available. This limit comes from the
signed long integer used for the file pointer to access swapper.dat, and which
also limits logical drives to 2GB as well. And 512MB of virtual memory per
process. The 512MB real (ie RAM) memory limit applies to applications only.
OS/2 2.0 will use up to 4GB RAM if it's there, but will not put an application
into RAM above 512MB. The range from 512MB to 4GB can be used only by ring 0
code, the kernal, device drivers etc.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Duane Rutan Msg #55, Apr-03-92 15:52:30
Subject: Maynstream
DR> I use 6.304e at present and would like to get my old Maynstream 60 tape
DR> bak up working. Works fine if I boot from a dos partition but of
DR> course, then I cannot back up the HPFS drive that most of the stuff is
DR> on. Using a virtual box for it gives it DMA channel fits.
You can use DMA channels 1 and 3.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Terry Fry Msg #56, Apr-03-92 15:57:14
Subject:
TF> Is there a way to remove the workplace shell in 2.0? And if this is
TF> possibile,
TF> will there be 1) 1.3 like operations (desktop I mean) and 2) memory use
TF> reduced? I'd like to know, a server of ours just doesn't get used and
TF> it would
TF> be nice to not have that loaded if neccesary.
I believe SET RUNWORKPLACE=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE in your config.sys will do what
you want.
Dave
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From: David Wright
To: Mario Dulisse Msg #57, Apr-03-92 16:21:24
Subject: OS2 & Booting from floppies.
MD> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to make bootable floppy diskettes
MD> from os2 2.0? By bootable I mean make an os2 floppy like I can a dos
MD> floppy with the boot files on it. Oh and do you still need real dos to
MD> make a dos bootable floppy?
OS/2 bootable floppies are possible if they have the capacity. A 1.44M
floppy is not big enough for OS/2 2.0. You can split it between two floppies
A and B. To SYS a DOS floppy, you have to be running DOS.
Dave
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*** This is a reply to #25.
From: Frank Rusko
To: Tony Bearman Msg #58, Apr-03-92 13:03:00
Subject: Windows under OS/2
TB>On Mar-30-92, Mike Hobbs wrote to Kwok Leung:
TB> MH> generates a GP fault, at the same address each time.
TB> MH> Might as well add WordPerfect to that list.
TB>WordPerfect will send you a new install disk to remedy
TB>that. (OS/2 Windows doesn't have the MS bug that WPC had to
TB>work around)
TB>Tony.
Hi Tony....
Apparently the file fixwp.exe is included with the 2.0 GA release..I just got
this from WP..Incidentally the OS/2 WP support number (at least from Canada) is
1-800-321-1230..
later......Frank
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From: Tony Bearman
To: Frank Rusko Msg #59, Apr-03-92 20:33:46
Subject: Windows under OS/2
FR> Apparently the file fixwp.exe is included with the 2.0
FR> GA release..I just got
I hope it works better on the "foreign" versions than the fixwp.exe included
with 6.177. That one only worked on the US version. (haven't seen GA yet...)
Tony.
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From: Doug Shields
To: Mario Dulisse Msg #60, Apr-03-92 15:32:00
Subject: Re: OS2 and IBM
MD>I DON'T like paying for a windows upgrade, and now I probably won't do it
MD>since I ordered OS2V2.0 This morning. Yes, I was swayed by
MD>all the glowing reports about it in this echo. I just hope
MD>it's half as good as you guys think it is. If it is , I'll
MD>be happy to have state of the art software running on my
MD>state of the art hardware. :)
Hope you took advantage of the new upgrade prices from Windows.
I'm not sure if you heard about them yet. $49 US, $79 CAN from Win 3.0.
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From: Doug Shields
To: Kent Cedola Msg #61, Apr-03-92 17:31:02
Subject: DLL invention
KC>"OS/2 is where dde and dlls were invented".
KC>Windows 1.01 had DLL's back in 1985 since day one. DLL's were design by
KC>Microsoft as a way to fit Windows in a 640k (or less)
KC>machine.
Check out the copyright in OS/2. On my 1.3 it says:
(C) Copyright 1981, 1990 IBM Corp. All rights reserved.
(C) Coyright 1981, 1990 Microsoft Corp.
Have you ever wondered why some parts of Win and OS/2 look IDENTICAL, or
at least very similar (ie. File Manager)? It is because they are so
inter-related that anything good that happens to one is incorporated
into the other. They are both based on source code back from 1981, it's
just that Win resurfaced in 1985 while OS/2 waited til '87. MS was in on
the first writing of OS/2 just as IBM was in on the first writing of Win
(I don't mean they co-wrote them just that they new exactly what was
going on).
With OS/2 2.0 and Win 3.1 it is no different. IBM has full access to
the 3.1 source code and will modify it and send it to OS/2 2.0 users in
June for free. If NT shows up it will have OS/2 16-bit compatibility
because MS will copy parts of OS/2 for use in NT. If OS/2 3.0 shows up
it will include any of the new features that are in NT. By the time MS
is ready to release anything new for Win, IBM will have it incorporated
into OS/2 for release very soon after Win.
KC>format) and so on... OLE is creating a new
KC>generation of GUI applications...
The ability to include foreign material in an aplpication document is
not new at all. That's what using the clipboard as a conversion utility
to import graphics, etc. is all about. The ability of HyperMedia, and
now Multi-media doesn't require OLE, and they do much of the object
encapsulation that OLE provides. What OLE will provide is a simpler
method to switch from the native editor to the foreign editor by double
clicking on the imbedded object rather than alt-esc, double click on the
foreign editor, import the object over again. While OLE will make it
much easier to perform the same task, it hardly represents "a new
generation of GUI applications", just a simpler way of doing what we can
already accomplish with existing programs.
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From: Doug Shields
To: Robert Mahoney Msg #62, Apr-03-92 16:29:04
Subject: Os/2 Backup
RM> I'm the one that had the major problems with v1.3 BACKUP and
RM>I was running on a PS/2 with 8MB! Who knows, maybe the moon was rising
RM>out of Gemini on a Friday the 13th where the planets were all in line
RM>exerting a gravitational pull on my harddisk.
Stranger things have happenned!! >|+{O}
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From: Doug Shields
To: Herb Tyson Msg #63, Apr-03-92 16:44:06
Subject: Pkunzip2
HT>RW>Not sure I understand what VIO is...
HT>Me neither, I hope I used it correctly. I keep seeing
VIO (Virtual IO). Under a VIO window, you run a text mode
application in a window on your graphics screen. Whenever the
application tries to write to the screen the write is "virtualized"
and is sent to the window instead of to the actual screen. The
window simulates a text screen by draing the text in an appropriate
font. This is different from a PM window because PM windows are
designed to take full advantage of the GUI while VIO and Full screen
text must interact through the keyboard.
Thinbk of it as "text mode" in a graphics window.
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From: Shannon Jones
To: Kent Cedola Msg #64, Apr-02-92 04:02:00
Subject: Ain't life grand!
KC>What else would you do with a program that nobody wants?
KC>If you can't sell it, you give it away. :> Between giving
KC>the product away and buying off developers, makes one
KC>wonder of the future of OS/2.
There was a post in here a few days ago about a survey that was
taken. I am not sure who took it, but I think the audience were
distributers. The poll came back with 6800 people responding and a
very small 97% said that they do expect OS/2 to be in demand. I
sure am glad you corrected them on this one :)
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From: Shannon Jones
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #65, Apr-03-92 04:03:02
Subject: OS/2 PowerOpen Pink Tali
RT>Sounds like it will " be a better OS/2 than OS/2 ".
RT>Will OS/2 survive past 1993 or 1994 ? I am dubious.
RT>Sounds like IBM is going to use OS/2 as a stop-gap while developing
RT>PowerOpen........
RT>Certainly, their poor / ambivalent pre-launch publicity for OS/2 2.0
RT>is not encouraging....
Just a thought, but couldn't Pink be IBM's NT? Keep Pink for the
RISC computers, and OS/2 for the CISC computers.
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From: Shannon Jones
To: Gary Green Msg #66, Apr-03-92 04:03:04
Subject: OS2 LA won't install.
GG>I have a 386-33 with a miniscribe 4380 330 megabyte hard
GG>drive and an Ultrastor 12F controller. When I attempt to
GG>install OS2, I get as far as the second disk and then get a
GG>error 255...could not FDISK.
GG> The bios is AMI but according to them, the chipset
GG>should be ok. Perhaps a controller problem or hard drive
GG>or special driver required??
GG>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Get GA, it was released 3/31/92.
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From: Shannon Jones
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #67, Apr-03-92 04:03:06
Subject: OS2 and IBM
RT> -=> Quoting Mario Dulisse to All <=-
RT> MD> IBM for REAL???????? They want list price of $235.00 dollars for os2
RT> MD> v2.0. Heck I can get windows 3.1 for $49.95 U.s. Dollars. That's a far
RT> MD> HA !!!!! I think microsoft has won this
RT> MD> round too guys, give it up, OS2 is DEAD DEAD DEAD !!!!!! Such a shame
RT> MD> really <sigh> !!
RT> Sounds like traditional IBM marketing again....
RT> There will probably be a similarly unrealistic price here in Sydney
RT> Oh well, at least
RT> I am glad I didnt buy the OS/2 programming books and stuck to the
RT> Win 3.x programming ones.
RT> Pity about OS/2......
Appearently you didn't hear the news. Here is a little price chart:
Windows OS/2
^^^^^^^ ^^^^
Upgrade to newest version: $49.99 $0.00
Upgrade from competitors product: N/A $49.00
Upgrade from DOS (any brand): N/A $99.00
New copy of product: ?????? $139.00
This offers a very nice upgrade path for users of Windows and DOS.
Unfortunately, I don't have the figure for a new copy of Windows.
These are US prices, so you can bump both sides up somewhat. Mario
made that phone call several weeks ago, and has since decided to buy
a copy for himself.
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*** This is a reply to #60.
[Continued...]
Timothy F. Sipples
From: Shannon Jones
To: Malcolm Street Msg #68, Apr-03-92 04:03:08
Subject: Your messages!
I don't know if you know this or not, but all of your messages are
being chopped off. We are only getting quoted text, and none of
your text gets through. Just thought you would want to know.
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From: Shannon Jones
To: All Msg #69, Apr-03-92 04:03:10
Subject: OS/2 Upgrade
I called IBM today (April 3) to see about my upgrade from OS/2
1.3. They told me that all OS/2 1.3 (maybe all 1.x) owners would
receive an upgrade form in a few days (they mailed them on April 2
and said it would take 5-7 days from then). This is for the US,
don't know about foreign. I also confirmed the $49 upgrade from
Windows and the $99 upgrade from DOS. Not that I don't trust you
guys :).
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From: Shannon Jones
To: Garry Adkins Msg #70, Apr-03-92 04:03:12
Subject: Golden trick!
GA>When you get it, put the pointer on the desktop, press the
GA>RMB (right mouse button), and *simultaneously* press the
GA>SHIFT CTRL ALT and O keys.
GA>You'll see a nice suprise. (this only works with GA code). :)
Come on. Tell me what it does? I am to curious, and won't be able
to run GA for a while.
GA>P.S. GA looks VERY nice. I'm willing to entertain questions.
Ok, I got a few.
1. Have you been able to crash it? I hope not.
2. Can you give us a vague idea of the speed increase from 6.304e
or LA to GA?
3. Is it going to be as good as we all hoped! (better?)
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From: Shannon Jones
To: Mark Kusec Msg #71, Apr-03-92 04:03:14
Subject: Floppy question
MK>Consider this: you never have to reboot the computer. Under Windows,
MK>rebooting a few times a day is common, and even plain old DOS is
MK>occasionally snafu'd by unfriendly TSR's and such. But OS/2 simply
MK>*does not* crash. (Okay, I've managed to crash 1.3 with certain DOS
MK>games, but what do you expect from DOS games? <g>) If you didn't power
MK>down each evening, you could go for a month and on indefinitely without
MK>rebooting. Personally, I accept a long booting time in exchange for
MK>this kind of stability... And so should you. :-)
Ok, how about having an OS/2 marathon? We can have one for OS/2 1.x
and 2.0. Anybody want to put in your scores to find out what the
longest system on time is for OS/2 (with reasonable use, of
course)?
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*** This is a reply to #47. *** See also #146.
From: Matthew Stein
To: Tony Bearman Msg #72, Apr-03-92 00:45:00
Subject: Re: More OS/2 bashing...
> Claude, you forgot to mention that as an added bonus, it
> also runs almost every OS/2 app ever written. And if *that*
> isn't enough for him, we'll fix him up with a nice CP/M
> emulator... <grin>
OS/2 2.0 can boot just about any operating system written for the PC
compatible in a Graphical box. I've only seen DOS, but I've heard that even
Unix runs well. I saw this at the Toronto Computer Fest(Winter).
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From: Matthew Stein
To: Michael Nelson Msg #73, Apr-03-92 00:50:00
Subject: Re: 4os/2 is here!
> is "4OS295.ZIP", and that it's about 230K in size...
What is 4os/2?
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From: Nick D'Eri
To: All Msg #74, Apr-03-92 09:10:02
Subject: pmqwk
Hi I just got pmqwk 004 from Brady last week and I have been trying to
get it to work with no luck, when I click on the icon and open it up I then
click on onpack qwk packs and that is when it locks up and the only way to get
out of it is to be reboot the machine, according to Brady there have been
others with similiar probs, but at the moment he is just a tad busy getting
ready for Comdex, so does anyone that is using it know what the problem may be.
Thanks, Nick
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From: Mario Dulisse
To: Bill Dwinell Msg #75, Apr-03-92 19:28:00
Subject: Re: Ain't life grand!
In a message to Shannon Jones <03-31-92 19:53> Bill Dwinell wrote:
BD> IBM is also matching the Microsoft offer.....Windows users can
BD> upgrade
BD> to OS/2 2.0 for $49.99....
Or in Canada, $79.00 for the upgrade from windows to OS2:)
... Mario :-)
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From: Pete Norloff
To: Bill Andrus Msg #76, Apr-03-92 20:28:16
Subject: Trident 8900c 2.0 Drivers
BA>Okay, does anyone KNOW or HAVE the real McCoy's available yet?
TRIDENT2.ZIP, 527k
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From: Ira Wechsler
To: Kwok Leung Msg #77, Apr-03-92 21:20:40
Subject: OS/2 Printing
You obviously paid no attention to what I wrote. I said in installing
the printer driver at the end of os/2 installation. I got that error message.
It has nothing to do with path. The printer driver is on the
printer drivers diskette with OS/2.
/s
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From: Rod Wright
To: Robert Montgomery Msg #78, Apr-03-92 22:01:54
Subject: dos comaptiblity
Even though it is a demo copy, it is not crippled. It's just that the
license agreement has an ending date. I don't really think there is anything
in there that would enforce that though. Since I own two copies at home and
one at work, I'll be getting my "real" copies by and by.
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From: Herb Tyson
To: Albert Shan Msg #79, Apr-03-92 22:11:02
Subject: Limitation? Say What?
AS>From what I know, all "show stoppers" are fixed. There are < 80 PTRs
Just for the record, my dictionary defines "show stopper" as an act that's
so good that the show gets stopped (interrupted) by thunderous
applause. That being the case, OS/2 GA itself *is* a show stopper from
what I keep seeing/hearing/reading.
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From: Alex Neihaus
To: Kurt Westerfeld Msg #80, Apr-03-92 22:32:16
Subject: Os/2 2.0
The wait is worth it. I have been running GA for over 48 hours at this writing
and I have to tell ya'll -- the performance you saw at 6.304 is NOTHING
compared to the GA code. It's SOOOO much faster.
Be sure to consider installing MOST and running 2.0 from at least a 60M HPFS
partition. If you have more than 8M of memory, consider upping your cache to
2M.
On my 25Mhz '386 configured this way, it flies.
Alex. Neihaus
anei...@boston.vnet.ibm.com
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From: Robert Montgomery
To: Albert Shan Msg #81, Apr-03-92 18:25:00
Subject: Ga=6.????
AS>Surprise, surprise, Boca decided to build another cut on April 1, at
AS>5AM (hope they will rename the date for the files <g>). They decided
AS>to make sure that all the source code compile clean, with ZERO warning
AS>messages. GA will be 6.307N.
Al, what are the advantages of this "clean" code ? What is zero warning
messages? Thanks for your explanation.
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From: Robert Montgomery
To: Albert Shan Msg #82, Apr-03-92 18:27:02
Subject: Ptr?
AS>From what I know, all "show stoppers" are fixed. There are < 80 PTRs
AS>(unofficial known bugs) with GA built (1.3 had > 180 PTRs when it was
Al, what does PTR mean?
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From: Robert Montgomery
To: Jim Gilliland Msg #83, Apr-03-92 18:37:06
Subject: Os/2 2.0 Ga
JG>A new option has been added to the program object settings:
JG> When you define an object as being a "Desktop Windows"
JG>application, you now have a choice as to whether that
JG>program gets its own separate copy of Windows or shares one
JG>with other Desktop Windows applications.
Jim, I have heard of this feature, what advantages would be gained with
either approach? Can you elaborate? Thanks, Bob
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*** This is a reply to #37.
From: Glenn Hanna
To: All Msg #84, Apr-03-92 23:43:28
Subject: EZTAPE/PM
I was wondering if anyone got EZTAPE PM working under 2.0 GA. I know it kind
of worked under .304.
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From: David Yackness
To: Bob Leslie Msg #85, Apr-03-92 22:32:00
Subject: OS/2 2.0 AND TAPE BACKUP
I've decided that I'll write to Colorado to give them a piece of my mind. Who
knows... if enough people write to them, they may decide to change their mind.
In any case, I talked to a guy at IBM and he says that you can still backup
the DOS partition of you hard drive, at least. I guess its better than
nothing.
If you hear of any news of interest on OS/2, please leave me a note.
BTW -- if you haven't got your full non-beta copy of OS/2 2.0, you can pick
one up from the UBC Book Store for $165. They also sell v1.3 for $125 which
includes the free upgrade to 2.0. Do you know how long the free upgrade will
last? I heard that IBM will start charging $100 for the upgrade in June or
July.
cya, Dave
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*** This is a reply to #38.
From: Jeff Mueller
To: Doug Azzarito Msg #86, Apr-03-92 21:33:50
Subject: Re: Os/2 v2.0 ga
Yes... The GA code is great , fast, and installs with no problems.
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From: Lee Fields
To: Doug Shields Msg #87, Apr-03-92 04:03:00
Subject: Os/2 & Windows (Again)
DS>The idea has much more than just program quality. Even a poorly written
DS>OS/2 app can not 'hog' the CPU. Each app (thread) gets its share of the
DS>CPU based on what the OS allots for the app. By stating what priority a
DS>certain thread has, the OS will allocate an appropriate amount of CPU
DS>time. Well written apps in Win must constantly consider their needs vs
DS>the needs of other apps. OS/2 does this internally, which makes real
DS>time dependant apps run much smoother since they can be run with a high
DS>priority to allow them better real time response.
Actually, it is fairly simple to write an OS/2 that 'hogs' the CPU. Just
bump up the priority to the highest level of time critical and do something
stupid like poll the keyboard with the no-wait option. OS/2 doesn't
prevent a developer from making an ill-behaved app, it just forces them
to work harder to do it. On the other hand, it gives developers better
tools the manage the behaviour of their app.
Lee
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From: Richard Beals
To: Mark Rogers Msg #88, Apr-03-92 21:16:22
Subject: memory allocation
MR> Does os/2 v 2.oo remap the memory from 640k to a virtual flat model?
MR> As I understant it the 640k limit is both software and
MR> hardware....correct?
MR> Ive also just got myself another 4 meg of ram (total 8)
Mark, you're thinking in DOS terms. Those of us who have been running OS/2 for
more than a week easily forget the number "640" has any special significance.
In essence, if you insist on running DOS programs, OS/2 will give you the best
compromise of any system out there (at least as good as the best QEMM, MAX,
etc. can do).
Now, under OS/2, I can complain about version 1.x "only" supporting 16mb... :-)
Running OS/2 with OS/2 software (_any_ version) lets you work with at least 16
megabytes at a shot. With version 2.0, you can work with far more. If you
still must work with DOS, you can disable high-res graphics and still get 700k
or so.
Is cool?
rb
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From: Mike Gove
To: Bertram Moshier Msg #89, Apr-02-92 07:05:10
Subject: Team Os/2 Thank You Upda
BM>THANKS! I will pass your outstanding offer on to the
BM>team's chairperson (Paul of the Corner Store). I am sure
BM>he'll take you up on it!
You are most welcome. You just missed an ad in our PC Week - you could
have had a couple of column inches in that.
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From: Frank Little
To: All Msg #90, Apr-02-92 14:35:28
Subject: OS/2 articles
To counterbalance the complaints made about anti-OS/2 bias
in certain consumer magazines, here is a front-page item
from the UK "Computer Weekly", which has been distributed
to Information Technology professionals for over 25 years:
IBM BEATS MICROSOFT TO MARKET WITH OS2.2
Neil Fawcett
IBM will release OS2 version 2.0 next week, beating Microsoft to market with a
32-bit PC operating system.
At the same time Microsoft will launch Windows 3.1, which is still a 16-bit
extension to DOS, at the Which Computer? Show to be held next week at the
National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham.
Windows 3.1 now includes elements of multimedia with stereo sound and MIDI
support and is said to crash less often than its
predecessor.
But the key to IBM's success will be whether version 2.0 will run both DOS and
Windows applications as well as their native
environments.
Version 2.0 will run more powerful native OS2 programs.
At the moment Windows 3.0 has a user base of over 10 million and more than
5,000 applications supporting it.
IBM claims that OS2 version 2.0 will run windows software better than Windows
and DOS better than DOS.
However, until the end of the year IBM will steal a march on Microsoft by
having something it has not: a 32-bit operating system.
Next year Microsoft will come out with Windows NT and IBM will lose its
advantage.
[End of item]
It's also good to see that IBM is living up to its "International" appellation
in giving OS/2 release 2 presentations virtually simultaneously at both
European and American shows.
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From: Robert Montgomery
To: Peter Fitzsimmons Msg #91, Apr-03-92 18:01:00
Subject: Startup.Cmd
PF> RM> I have found the Fidonet bandwidth to be
PF> RM> far more helpful than the OS/2 command reference,
PF>Your gain is our loss.
Nasty, what an attitude! But then Peter, given your remark, I know why
some animals eat their young.
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From: Robert Montgomery
To: Peter Fitzsimmons Msg #92, Apr-03-92 18:12:02
Subject: Startup.Cmd
PF> RM> I have found the Fidonet bandwidth to be
PF> RM> far more helpful than the OS/2 command reference,
PF>Your gain is our loss.
The Royal we? Arrogance, thy name is Peter.
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*** This is a reply to #91.
From: Art Fellner
To: Dave Evans Msg #95, Apr-03-92 05:08:02
Subject: Os/2 2.0
DE>Sorry, I'm just don't like waiting. And they ones I am
DE>looking forward to are Borland C++ for OS/2
that will have to wait 3-4 months yet.
Stacker for OS/2
Nothing even announced yet.
Ami Pro
Don't know about this one, but Lotus has always supported OS/2 so I
wouldn't be surprised if it was available now.
1-2-3 for OS/2
Where have you been? I've been using it for 2 years now.
Art
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From: Scott Singleton
To: Rad Craig Msg #96, Apr-02-92 19:36:00
Subject: Cheap os/2 backups
RC>RMGA>I was wondering if there'd be any interest in a
RC>RMGA>"group purchase" of these, GA>I'd be willing to
RC>RMGA>take care of the details. I'm not making money on
RC>RMGA>these, GA>120MB internal: $231 GA>250MB
RC> JA> internal: $286
RC> I'd like some info on this if I may. I've got a Colorado Jumbo 250 now,
RC>and haven't been satisfied with it since I got it. Who makes the drives your
RC>talking about? CYA!
RC> Rad....
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From: Ron Olshavsky
To: Marshall Freedland Msg #97, Apr-02-92 22:24:00
Subject: Re: Amiga...?
>look as Windows, but it's built into the DOS, it seems. Anyone seen one of
>these puppies? Any opinions would be welcome.
Although this is off-topic, Id like to respond saying that not only have I
seen one, but I have owend one since 1985. It has been doing the
multi-tasking since then, along with all the color/sound/processing you saw,
plus alot more you havent, but IT IS NOT a professional business computer. It
is great for Multi-media (also which it has been doing since 1985), and
vidoe/sound production work, but th ehard & heavy business stuff isnt there.
And we think IBM cant market? Commodore has had a mchine that beat everything
hands down for the past 7 years, and your just seeing it for the first time...
Now THATS bad marketing...
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From: Ron Olshavsky
To: Rod Bowman @ 8/8 Msg #98, Apr-02-92 22:28:00
Subject: Re: Golden Code (GA Code)
>Well, gang ... I have my "Golden Code" Installed! (This is the term that
>my SE used when he gave me the disks this afternoon.
>
I saw the 'Golden Code' at FOSE in Washington, DC today, and the SE there
also called it the 'Golden Disks'...
>The disks changed a little. Base now has the following disks:
>
> 1 Install Disk
> 15 System Disks
> 5 Print Driver Disks
>
>That is all for now ... the install looks a little different though.
Yep, he said they kept it the same number of disks, and I was talking to the
Systems guy that did the install routines and mentioned that they looked much
nicer...
Now, just the wait for it will kill me, although the IBM reps did have copies
up the upgrade form, so I will be sending mine out first thing in the
morning, with out the several day wait for them to send it to me...
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From: Ron Olshavsky
To: All Msg #99, Apr-02-92 22:32:00
Subject: OS/2 2.0 @ FOSE
I attended the last day of FOSE here in Washington, DC, with the hopes that
IBM would have some machines running GA. I wasnt dissapointed either!
It looks great! The install is nicer and faster..the initial start up was
quit speedy, and the demos that they were doing were down right fun!
One thing I kept hearing over and over was
'Is this really IBM? They seem to be enjoying themselves...'!!!!
The demo was great, they showed dos programs running (Flight Simulator
running in a DOS windows), they had EXCEL running off the WPS, an OS/2 1.3 16-
bit app , and an os/2 2.0 32-bit app running as well. Then they put each in a
box on its own, and put all four running on the screen at once, and the
natives were quite impressed...
Then when the demo was over, they handed out these great looking OS/2 2/0
mouse pads...At the top is the line:
"IBM OS/2 2/0, THE Platform of Choice.' (with THE in italics...)
a big 2.0 in orange across the pad itself, and across the bottom in italics:
'It's not about reaching limits. It's about rising above them.'
Quite nice...Also during the demo, they made some references to the Microsoft
booth just up the way abit saying they were getting ready to come down to the
IBM booth with an axe or something along those lines...
All in all, it was the best demo/show/presentation I saw at the whole show,
but then again, Im a bit biased...hehehehehe
This 4-8 week wait is going to kill me...
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From: Bill Andrus
To: Steve Leu Msg #100, Apr-02-92 21:31:06
Subject: MEMORY REQUIRED?
SL>How much minimum memory does version 2.0 require to run (not recommend,
SL>just minimum)?
The absolute minimum I got GA to run in is 3 MB. It might run in 2.5 MB but I
have no way to reduce my system by 512K chunks. And 3 MB with PROTECTONLY=YES
is actually quite useful.
The latest recommendation I saw from a knowledgeable gent was for a 20 Mhz
386sx minimum, and 6 MB for normal (untuned, undiddled) installations.
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From: Bill Andrus
To: Mike Guidry Msg #101, Apr-02-92 21:58:48
Subject: OS/2 v2.0 GA
MG>Anybody got it yet? Whadda ya think of it?
Yes, got it, installed it on a couple of radically different systems over
304e, one reformatted and the others not, and they're all running great.
Well worth the cost in CPU and disk space. Applets aside, the package is
great.
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*** This is a reply to #86. *** See also #131.
From: Bill Andrus
To: Vince Perriello Msg #102, Apr-02-92 22:07:10
Subject: Re: Differences between OS/2 and Windows
> OS/2 2.0 comes with MS-DOS 5.0 and MS-Windows 3.0.
> MS-Windows comes with a disclaimer. Any questions?
VP>I'll bite. Doesn't that mean that OS/2 2.0 comes with a disclaimer (A
VP>comes
VP>with B and C, C comes with D, therefore A comes with D) ?
I believe Kevin's right, since he's talking about the Windows 3.1 disclaimer
(those 21 or so 3.0-compatible apps that don't work right under 3.1).
And we had picked up the Lotus 1-2-3/G 1.1 upgrade, having heard that it was
the only way to get past the problem under OS/2 2.0, so silly me, I open up
the old 1.0 versions of 1-2-3/G and FL/G, and they run perfectly under GA.
Now, if I can just get an LM 2.1 Requester upgrade for OS/2 2.0 soon....
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*** This is a reply to #19.
From: Bill Andrus
To: Dave Evans Msg #103, Apr-02-92 22:12:26
Subject: OS/2 2.0
I made the mistake of trying 1-2-3/G 1.0 and FL/G that had been running fine
with 1.30.2, and not running with 6.177h, and they migrated to and run fine on
GA. Really fine. 'Course, the 1.1 upgrade runs even better....
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*** This is a reply to #95. *** See also #121.
From: Bill Andrus
To: All Msg #104, Apr-03-92 11:45:24
Subject: Trident 8900c 2.0 Drivers
Okay, does anyone KNOW or HAVE the real McCoy's available yet? The only thing
stopping me from rebuilding my Clone with 2.0 is the absence of the released
drivers.
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*** This is a reply to #76.
From: Louis F. Ursini
To: All Msg #105, Apr-02-92 23:22:52
Subject: OS/2 Programs to DOS
Hi:
I would like to know if it is possible to run DOS applications from OS/2. The
reason is I have a BBS that is running OS/2 1.3 and would like to convert to
2.0 soon. There are several door programs I would like to run that run DOS
only. Is it possible to execute that program in OS/2 to DOS?
Thanks
Lou
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From: Carsten Wimmer
To: Rod Wright Msg #106, Apr-03-92 11:12:12
Subject: C 7.0
Hi,
In a msg on <Apr 01 20:55>, Rod Wright of 1:109/347 writes:
RW> You can expect that nearly all of the features you see in
RW> Borland's Windows products will find their way into the OS/2 equivalent
RW> products.
You are right. A seller of Borland told me at the Cebit-92-Mess in
Hannover, that they will release BC++ for
OS/2 at the
end of the year. This will be the first OS2-Compiler from Borland.
TPascal etc. will follow a few months after BC++ !!!
Does anyone know when the MS-C Compiler for OS2 will be released ?
I mean a version for the PM, I don't want to run a compiler in
a simple dos-task ;-)
Ciao, Carsten............
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From: Walt Corey
To: Michael Muschick Msg #107, Apr-02-92 00:31:16
Subject: HPFS386
Hi, don't muck around, else disaster will strike, to install hpfs w/2.0
you MUST reformat your disk with the hpfs in 2.0. This is not terribly
well documented, but the support center knows it all too well Walt.
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From: Walt Corey
To: All Msg #108, Apr-02-92 01:03:56
Subject: OS/2 and NDIS programs
Hi all, first a few comments then the question.
The other day someone reported that Symantec released the 2.0 C++
compiler..but it needed uSoft's toolkit. That was the first hint there
was something wrong. I called Symantec Customer support and there is no
32 bit OS/2 C++ yet.
I also re-called the OS/2 order hotline and was told the "invites" to
order 2.0 were mailed on the 31st, once they are returned it would take
4-8 weeks to process. Further, one can NOT get a free upgrade from a
dealer, only the form that gets mailed in.
On to the question, Does anyone out here know of or have the program
code for accessing an ndis driver under os/2 anything. In other words
I will leave the device driver coding to the h/w folks, I want to talk
to their ndis compliant driver. Walt Corey
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From: Ken Rucker
To: Peter Fitzsimmons Msg #109, Apr-03-92 04:03:02
Subject: Ain'T Life Grand!
PF>And it should be noted that those of us that bought OS/2
PF>1.0 (There are a few of us here) in 1988 for $350 (approx;
PF>I can't remember exactly),have upgraded several times (1.0,
PF>1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 2.0) for free.
<BIG GRIN> As I was preparing the upgrade forms last night for
my one Standard Edition and one Extended Edition, I chanced to grab
my old 1.0 package off the dusty top shelf. Surprise! I never
upgraded that one! The question now is whether to upgrade the 1.0
package to 2.0 or keep it intact as a "collecter's item"
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*** This is a reply to #75.
From: Ken Rucker
To: Peter Fitzsimmons Msg #110, Apr-03-92 04:03:04
Subject: Fdisk Unsuccessful
Peter,
Back on Jan 10, you advised us of some fixes for "FDISK unsuccessful"
failures of the install programs for the 6.177 build:
PF>The 6.177 build of OS/2 contains a set of drivers that are intended
PF>to support virtually any disk controller.
PF>
PF>
PF>To use them, you must replace the existing drivers
PF>with the new ones:
PF>
PF>
PF> On disk 1: RENAME DISK01.SYS DISK01.BAK
PF>
PF> R
PF>
PF> On disk 2: RENAME DD01 DD01.BAK
PF>
PF> RENAME DSKBIOS1 DD01
PF>
Maybe you can provide some suggestions regarding a similar problem
with the GA release. Installation attempts fail after the bitmap
logo screen terminates during System Disk #1 processing. The error
is "FDISK unsuccessful". The logfile indicates:
MODEL = FC
SUBMODEL = 01
Non-ABOIS machine
Bus architecture |0|
Disktype |0|
All prior beta's of 2.0 have flawlessly installed and run very well
on this same machine. It's strange that the GA build is the first
one to fail on this system! I have, of course filed a bug report
with IBM. They're working it, but I doubt that they have the exact
hardward configuration to match mine in their lab; so it may take a
while to get a response.
Suggestions?
TNX KR
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From: Peter Mcgrath
To: Poe Lim Msg #111, Apr-02-92 08:51:18
Subject: IBM (Australia) BBS
>KC>IBM is setting up a multi-line public bulletin board in
>KC>Sydney. Access will be FREE, and high speed modems will be
>KC>supported. It will be modelled on the IBM US BBS, but
>KC>IBM have announced the phone number, but I will not repeat
>KC>it until they are up and running. They plan to be up on
>KC>March 31.
>Pray tell soon.
try (02) 2412466
Running OS/2 V2.0 on IBM PS/2 using MAXIMUS/2 software
300-9600bps (no MNP)
8 phone lines
Peter
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From: Malcolm Street
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #112, Apr-02-92 08:42:54
Subject: Oh, where is the publicity.....
In your recent missive, you stated:
>I looked at the latest issue of Australian Personal Computer
>( the largest selling computer magazine in this country.)
>Nothing about OS/2 2.0....
Two issues back it reprinted a highly favourable extended review of a pre-
release OS/2 version 2.
>I looked at the computer liftout in the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper
>of 30th March ( this is a weekly section. It has the largest
>cirulation of any computer publication in this country. )
>Nothing about OS/2 2.0....
>It did however,have an article on IBM Japan declaring record losses for the
>last financial year !
The Australian's computer section on 24th March had an extremely favourable
look at a pre-release OS/2 version 2, compared Windows (3.1, NT and 32)
unfavourably with it and in fact generated a heated letter from Microsoft,
which is comprehensively rebutted in this Tuesday's section.
>I looked in the latest issue of Byte available on the Australian
>newstands ( Feb 1993)
>Nothing about OS/2 2.0.....
Byte December 1991 had the extremely favourable preview of OS/2 2 which was
reprinted in APC.
>However, every one of these had articles about the imminent release of
>Win 3.1.
>IBM should get their corporate digits out of their corporate anuses
>and try to market OS/2....
I couldn't agree more. My point is that DESPITE IBM's non-publicity, OS/2 2.0
IS getting highly favourable press where it counts.
Also, have a look at the job ads in Tuesday's Australian. There are a
surprising number of offers for OS/2 1.x programmers; even now it is a
substantial niche market.
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* Origin: An [OS/2] Point Meant With Destiny (3:620/243.7@fidonet)
*** See also #114.
From: Malcolm Street
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #113, Apr-02-92 08:49:20
Subject: swap file on ramdisk!
In your recent missive, you stated:
> Ah, a virtual ram disk ! Now if only I had some
>virtual MIPS, then OS/2 would really fly.... ;-)
Have you ever actually *used* OS/2? What are you comparing it with in speed,
(hahahah) Windows 3 or (hahahahah) X-Windows?
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From: Malcolm Street
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #114, Apr-02-92 08:51:16
Subject: Oh, where is the publicity.....
In your recent missive, you stated:
>Now, even my worst enemies would not call Me a IBM lover....
Me neither, but the company is showing signs of radical changes for OS/2
version 2 and in particular a recent presentation of OS/2 version 2 at our
local user group raised a few eyebrows.
>I dislike the monolithic nature of IBM.
OS/2 version 2 is getting more like the successful model of the original PC
development, a small, dedicated group allowed to get on with the job without
having to kow tow every step of the way to the mainframers.
>I dislike its attitude towards non-corporate clients.
CSD's will be distributed via user groups and a 008 bulletin board for end
users. As well as normal dealers, OS/2 version 2 is to be distributed via
mass-marketers such as Harvey Norman Discounts. This was one of my BIG
worries, but it appears IBM has realised it needs alternative channels to
handle non-corporate clients.
>I dislike its implicit motto :
>" Yesterdays hardware today and todays software tomorrow...."
I have my reservations about MCA's proprietary nature, but it *is* the most
advanced and elegant PC hardware architecture. If OS/2 is only "today's
software tomorrow", where is today's software now? Windows 3? (hahahahaha).
With OS/2 2 now officially GA, I would have thought "today's software
tomorrow" to be an almost literal description of NT :-)
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*** This is a reply to #112.
From: Grant Wilson
To: All Msg #115, Mar-31-92 06:21:52
Subject: 4OS2 is out
I have 4OS2 (4DOS for OS/2) available for Freq at speeds up to V32.
It is approximatly 260k with magic name of 4OS2.
Regards Grant..
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From: Grant Wilson
To: Colin Adams Msg #116, Mar-31-92 17:25:50
Subject: FileArea MAnager
In a message on <Mar 23 18:08>, Colin Adams (2:250/121@fidonet) writes:
GW> Would someone like to recommend a good FileArea Manager for Maxp
GW> 2.01wb.
GW> Is there something about, specific to OS/2?
CA>Downsort - but this sort of question should be in OS2BBS.
Maybe but the problem exists in OS/2. I have fixed the problem by placing
FIND_FIX.COM in the Autoexec.bat, now they all work again.
BTW I thought Downsort was a files list generator not a FileArea Manager!
Regards Grant..
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From: Chris Graham
To: David Wright Msg #117, Mar-30-92 22:28:56
Subject: Idle News
Is it still alive? Are you still accepting articles for it?
-Chris
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From: Bob Germer
To: Robert Cooper Msg #120, Apr-03-92 07:27:58
Subject: Amd 386 - memory
In a message dated Apr 01, 1992 at 21:08, allegedly Robert Cooper of
RC=>How much memory do you have?? For it to run 'like a charm'?
RC=>I am interested
RC=>since I'm considering version 2 when I upgrade soon.
Eight megs would be what I would consider a minimum. According to the IBM
press release, 2.5 is needed for OS2 at a bare minimum, 4.0 with DOS support,
4.0 with Windows support.
Hope this helps,
Bob Germer
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From: Bob Germer
To: Dave Evans Msg #121, Apr-03-92 07:30:08
Subject: OS/2 2.0
In a message dated Apr 02, 1992 at 17:16, allegedly Dave Evans of
1:109/347@fidonet makes bold to say to Ira Wechsler:
DE=>Sorry, I'm just don't like waiting. And they ones I am
DE=>looking forward to are Borland C++ for OS/2, Stacker for
DE=>OS/2, Ami Pro and 1-2-3 for OS/2, and all the little
DE=>shareware/freeware apps out there they have for Windows.
I saw an announcement from IBM which indicated that Stacker for OS2/2 would be
released this month if memory serves.
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*** This is a reply to #103. *** See also #136.
From: Gilbert Lefebvre
To: Carl Franklin Msg #122, Apr-03-92 00:33:32
Subject: DIAMOND STEALTH AND OS/2 2
Hi Carl,
CF> Concerning the Diamond Stealth.. I have one.. It is great in Windows and
CF> the tech guy I talked to at Diamond says they'll have an S3 accelerator
CF> driver(s) for OS/2 2.0 "soon" after GA. Whatever "soon" means....
You mention Windows... Do you run OS/2 ver 2? If so, what resolutions are
you running? A recent message from Robert King states that no drivers are
necessary and that it is 8514/a compatible. I had read from other people that
a card had to be _REGISTER_ compatible to use IBM's 8514 drivers and that the
Stealth did not have this feature. Hope you can shed light on this...
Thanks in advance,
Gilbert
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From: Gilbert Lefebvre
To: Robert King Msg #123, Apr-03-92 00:34:44
Subject: DIAMOND STEALTH & OS/2 2
Hi Robert,
RK> As I said, if the card is 8514/a compatible, you don't NEED any drivers
RK> from Diamond. The drivers shipped with OS/2 will work.
I am confused by your statement. Old messages in this conference led me to
believe that a card had to be 8514 _REGISTER_ compatible to use IBM's 8514
drivers. Someone here mentioned that this was NOT the case with S3 based
cards. PC Magazine in its evaluation of windows accelerator cards only lists
the ATI 8514 Ultra and Vantage as being 8514 register compatible amongst the
cards tested. I am under the impression the ATI Graphics Ultra also is. My
capture of all messages from Diamond Computer Systems' BBS Stealth SIG and
questions pertaining to OS/2 drivers had all the same response from the
sysop: driver will be available after OS/2 goes GA. My own question as to how
long can we expect a driver after OS/2 goes GA was still not answered 1 week
after I posted it. (The sysop did not answer any question between March 9th
and the 23rd.) I am under the impresion they are waiting for S3 to write
drivers for it...
I do not own one. Do you have personal experience using a Stealth under OS/2
2 and what resolutions have you run it under? I am really interested in your
response and comments since I have to upgrade all my equipment and wish to
make the best decisions...
Thanks in advance,
Gilbert
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From: Paul Sferratore
To: Joe Kelch Msg #124, Apr-01-92 20:46:00
Subject: Re: New board
You got a very good deal on the MB. Check the FORSALE echo for the memory.
Should be able to find some in the $25-$35 range. Good luck.
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From: Terry Fry
To: David Harvey Msg #125, Apr-02-92 18:17:00
Subject: Os2 Guru Wanted To Work
DH>There is a vacancy for a full-time OS/2 specialist to work at a specialist
DH>MIS site at Parramatta, near the railway station. This site
DH>involves IBM mainframes running MVS, Tandems, Unix DRS6000
DH>boxes and a large Token Ring network of PCs running OS/2
DH>and/or DOS. Candidates should have the potential to become
DH>Team Leader, with all the interpersonal skills of dealing
DH>with people at all levels. Resumes to Locked Bag No. 11,
DH>Fairfield 2165; attention Mr. Herman Rebelo. You can call
DH>me by Netmail at this address (3:711/816) if you have any
DH>preliminary enquiries.
DH> * Origin: Wallbanger BBS, Sydney, NSW Australia. +61 2 878-6014 (3:711/816)
I'm Interested, but what kinda commute from Washington D.C. <g>?
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From: Terry Fry
To: Ian Timms Msg #126, Apr-02-92 18:22:02
Subject: Os/2 Not Multiuser?
IT>CITRIX using a GUI! I wanna know how they intend doing it
IT>TOO! And if it is a full GUI (PM/WPS/whatever) what's the
IT>system performance like.
IT>I always thought that this would be a major stumbling block
IT>if they were trying to implement it by not distributing
IT>the processing of the GUI interface to client processors
IT>ala AIX with Motif.
IT>Any hope of getting a broadsheet posted on CITRIX 2.0, just out of interest.
Its on page 115 of PC Magazine, a release on 2.0 and its not very informative.
Naturally, I don't have the page... someone ripped it out of my copy.
Anyone care to post its data......
It did mention that you can run on the PM desktop at ALL stations, DOS/WIN
OS/2 16 & OS/2 32. God know what kinda iron you'll need for this.
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From: Rod Wright
To: Rod Wright Msg #127, Apr-02-92 19:13:00
Subject: Os/2 Ram Disk??
PN> 6.307e uses memory above the 16 MB limit now.
RW>..
KW>Pete, can you clarify the >16MB support? Is the support on machines
KW>with ISA/EISA or MCA? How fast is the access to memory when 24bit DMA
KW>is used, if it can be used?
RW>..
PN>I really don't have much in the way of details for you yet.
PN> Presently all I can say is that on a machine with 20 MB,
PN>6.304 saw 16 MB and 6.307e sees 20 MB. Stay tuned.
PN>
RW>..
RW>Pete, How do you tell how much memory the OS "sees"?
RW>___
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*** This is a reply to #48. *** See also #128.
From: Rod Wright
To: Rod Wright Msg #128, Apr-02-92 19:14:02
Subject: Os/2 Ram Disk??
PN> 6.307e uses memory above the 16 MB limit now.
RW>..
KW>Pete, can you clarify the >16MB support? Is the support on machines
KW>with ISA/EISA or MCA? How fast is the access to memory when 24bit DMA
KW>is used, if it can be used?
RW>..
PN>I really don't have much in the way of details for you yet.
PN> Presently all I can say is that on a machine with 20 MB,
PN>6.304 saw 16 MB and 6.307e sees 20 MB. Stay tuned.
PN>
RW>..
RW>Pete, How do you tell how much memory the OS "sees"?
RW>___
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*** This is a reply to #127. *** See also #129.
From: Rod Wright
To: Pete Norloff Msg #129, Apr-02-92 19:21:04
Subject: Os/2 Ram Disk??
RW>Pete, How do you tell how much memory the OS "sees"?
PN>There's a nice little utility here called MEMSIZE
PN>(MEMSIZ.ZIP, 49k) which you can use to figure out how
PN>memory is being used. It shows free memory, but you can
PN>deduce how much memory is being seen by the OS.
PN>
I tried that one and the other Memory utility earlier (6.177 time) and
at least one of them was unstable but I don't remember which. It
caused serious system problems on my IBM. Maybe I'll try again
now that I have GA installed.
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*** This is a reply to #128. *** See also #137.
From: Rod Wright
To: Albert Shan Msg #130, Apr-02-92 19:36:06
Subject: Pmtape And 6.304e
AS>FYI, I just got a copy of IBM's PMTape 2.01 (beta 1) yesterday, and so
AS>far it seems to work under 6.304e. I did a backup and verify of 100MB
AS>worth of files for a FAT partition, no problem there, except it sucks
AS>alot of the juice out of the CPU even running in the background.
AS>(will try this again on HPFS when I got GA running tonight <g>) Don't
AS>know if this a 304e scheduler problem or PMTape itself. The version IBM
AS>currently selling is 2.00.
AS>I have also heard that this version of PMTape doesn't run on 1.3, hope
AS>this is not the case when it finally comes out (same goes to EzTape PM).
AS>The files have got 2/25/92 date stamp.
Albert,
..
Thanks for the information. I've basically been without tape backup
software since I bought the PS/2 internal tape unit in August of 1990.
The reason I bought IBM was to insure OS/2 capability.....oh well....
Now, when is 2.1 expected to be available? I have 2.0 and it didn't
work with the beta code.
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From: Rod Wright
To: Mike Guidry Msg #131, Apr-02-92 19:41:08
Subject: Os/2 V2.0 Ga
MG>Anybody got it yet? Whadda ya think of it?
MG>
I got it this afternoon. I installed it on my machine at work and
will put it on this machine tonight. First impression: fast compared
to 6e.304.
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*** This is a reply to #101.
From: Rod Wright
To: Mark Rogers Msg #132, Apr-02-92 19:55:10
Subject: Memory Allocation
MR>Does os/2 v 2.oo remap the memory from 640k to a virtual flat model?
Basically, yes.
MR>As I understant it the 640k limit is both software and hardware....correct?
The limit for DOS is hardware for the 8086 and 8088 computers since
they could only physically address 1 MB of main memory. The operating
system, MS-DOS, was designed to run in that space. It located system
memory at the high order addresses taking up the space above 640KB.
After all, few users would be able to afford more than 640KB anyway,
right? (1980 thinking). By the time memory became less expensive,
MS-DOS was dominent and because of the need to maintain
compatibility, it had to maintain its memory structure even though
ATs and later machines could physically address more than 1 MB.
Even 386s running MS-DOS must live with the 640 KB barrier even
though it is just a software barrier now, not a hardware barrier.
OS/2 2.0 emulates the hardware and thus tricks DOS programs into
"thinking" that they are running in a real DOS machine with contiguous
640KB of memory even though the actual memory may be swapped
around (invisibly to the DOS application).
MR> I've just got myself another 4 meg of ram (total 8) and
MR>a tsng labs et4000 video board (replacing my old trident
MR>256k card), all I have to do now is wait...... I want it
MR>now!!! Gimee gimeee gimeee!!!
..
Soon. I got a demo copy today because I have to give a briefing next
Monday and need the GA code for it, so my SE came through!
First impression is that it is much faster.
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*** This is a reply to #88.
From: Rod Wright
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #133, Apr-02-92 19:57:12
Subject: Os/2 Poweropen Pink Tali
-=> Quoting Claude Biron to Robert Montgomery <=-
CB> Personally, I'm looking forward more to 2.1 than to 2.0 (if
CB> it makes it that far <g>)
RT> I have been reading about the advent
RT>of new operating systems like PowerOpen ( an IBM/Apple project) and
RT>Taligent/Pink . PowerOpen is suposed to be available in early 1993,
RT>( add a year or two<grin>) and will be a multiuser, multitasking
RT>OS that can run DOS, Mac, A/UX, AIX, OS/2 and Windows applications.
RT>Sounds like it will " be a better OS/2 than OS/2 ".
RT>Will OS/2 survive past 1993 or 1994 ? I am dubious.
RT>Sounds like IBM is going to use OS/2 as a stop-gap while developing
RT>PowerOpen........
RT>Certainly, their poor / ambivalent pre-launch publicity for OS/2 2.0
RT>is not encouraging....
RT>
RT>... Your brain: -> Unix. Your brain on drugs: -> OS/2 ?
RT>--- Blue Wave/Opus v2.05 [NR]
RT> * Origin: Square_ONE, Annandale, Sydney. (3:712/666.0)
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*** This is a reply to #65.
From: Robert Montgomery
To: Robert Luce Msg #134, Apr-02-92 18:15:02
Subject: Comdex, Hmmmmm
RL> Here is a quick one...
RL> What day would be the one to go if you wanted to catch IBM in
RL>action? Where is the COMDEX located at? What can I expect? What
RL>good hotels are in the area? Any advise?
Tuesday is supposed to be IBM OS/2 2.0 day. Monday is WIN 3.1 day. It is
supposed to be a big show, so big that people say you acn't do it all in
one day. Wear comfortable shoes and go to the exhibits you really want
to see. It is done at the McCormick center in Chicago. Very big, very
nice. Days Inn is resonable, but you will need a cab to get to McCormick
place. Costs 9.95/night to park your vehicle, so if you can take the
train, do it. Show ends at 5:30 every nite, I think. Chicago has some
great places to eat. Geja's is a very nice fondue place, worth it. Also,
Lowry's for steak, but get reservations and dress nice.
RL>conference - Atlanta GA.) The only thing that I see against doing
RL>this is that 1# I've never been to a COMDEX before, and 2# I've
RL>never been to Chicago. These two things might make the trip more
RL>interesting, but I would like to have as much information as possible
RL>before commiting (I can take off at a moments notice). If I don't
RL>go, I wonder if IBM will be selling any copies of "Live at COMDEX!".
See above. It is a very nice town. Take the train to downtown and then
use a cab. You will break even and at least not get frustrated by
Chicago traffic.
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From: Robert Montgomery
To: Rod Wright Msg #135, Apr-02-92 20:59:00
Subject: dos comaptiblity
RW>memory at the high order addresses taking up the space above 640KB.
RW>After all, few users would be able to afford more than 640KB anyway,
RW>right? (1980 thinking). By the time memory became less expensive,
RW>MS-DOS was dominent and because of the need to maintain
RW>compatibility, it had to maintain its memory structure even though
It is that DOS compatibility that will help OS/2 GA. Having used 6.304E
for a while, I love running my DOS apps. And OS/2 apps. And WIN apps.
RW>Soon. I got a demo copy today because I have to give a briefing next
RW>Monday and need the GA code for it, so my SE came through!
RW>First impression is that it is much faster.
A demo copy? I assume it is not crippled in any way? Keep telling us
about GA!
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*** This is a reply to #78.
From: Kurt Westerfeld
To: Dave Evans Msg #136, Apr-02-92 20:16:00
Subject: Os/2 2.0
DE> Well, the release date was yesterday. I called 1-800-
DE> 3IBMOS2 about a week and a half ago. They said they would
DE> put me on the mailing list for my free upgrade. So,
DE> anybody know when it's coming out?
I called 3IBMOS2 today and ordered my Windows upgrade. They said 2-4
weeks.
[Continued...]
Timothy F. Sipples
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*** This is a reply to #121.
From: Kurt Westerfeld
To: Pete Norloff Msg #137, Apr-02-92 20:29:02
Subject: Os/2 Ram Disk??
PN> There's a nice little utility here called MEMSIZE
PN> (MEMSIZ.ZIP, 49k) which you can use to figure out how
PN> memory is being used. It shows free memory, but you can
PN> deduce how much memory is being seen by the OS.
Just a clarification, Pete, and I may be a little off on this...I looked
at the source of this app, and it uses DosMemAvail to report the memory
size. I'm a little concerned of spurious results for this API call,
considering the documentation I read says it returns the largest free
block of memory. Add to this that this is a 16bit call, and maybe it
can't report the proper results.
I wrote a *small* utility (about 20 lines of code) to use the 32 bit
calls to alloc an arbitrary chunk of memory, in hopes that this would
tell me how much the system had. If anyone needs this, I'll post.
I can say with extreme accuracy that well, the virtual memory subsystem
definitely works....can't tell if >16MB will, however.
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*** This is a reply to #129.
From: Steve Sedlmeyer
To: All Msg #138, Apr-03-92 18:12:08
Subject: OS/2 2.0 Credits
My appologies if this has already been posted however I have not been able to
check my mail for a few days.
Thos of you with the GA code already should try clicking on the desktop to
give it the focus and pressing ctrl+alt+shift+o.
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From: Dan Hoogterp
To: Paul Fremantle Msg #139, Apr-03-92 18:33:00
Subject: Icons,Drivers And Dosbox
PF>want to. Full OS/2 BBS and Mailer. Squish & Max can store
PF>your messages as one file per message area, and its all
PF>pretty fast.
DS> immediate (grrr). I tried the HPFS for the last couple of weeks,
DS> but
DS> it is just no good when it comes to Very Large files - ie, Hudson
DS> style message bases.
PF>That surprises me.
My company uses OS/2 as a platform for large document databases which
support high update update and very high query transaction
rates (e.g., approx 50 tps). We use both FAT (usually for
'historical' reasons) and HPFS in different configurations. Although
the majority of our data is stored in a small number of large
(50-500Mb) files, we also occasionally hit several thousand small
files (single documents) in a document. In every case, we have seen
substantial performance improvements when using HPFS (after tuning
DISKCACHE and HPFS caching parameters).
Even though these operate in a server mode, many end users have reported
performance improvements when the server systems were upgraded to HPFS
from FAT. In other words, I would suspect that if FAT beat HPFS in some
configuration, there is room for improvement if the HPFS caching
parameters are adjusted. Our testing has found that bigger is not
always better for the HPFS cache; we always find an optimal performance
point between 384K and about 1.2 Mb.
Dan H.
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From: Steve Rose
To: David Bannister Msg #140, Apr-03-92 00:52:00
Subject: Re: 0s/2 2.0 availablity
RM> MS has 8 747 from Fed Xpress ready to deliver on the 6th of April.
RM> Hmmmm? Where is OS/2?
DB> So Win 3.1 is only going to 8 locations or is it going to be pushed
DB> out at 40,000ft.<g> Robert you are being sucked deep into the
DB> WinHype. If you would like some inside vision on the way Fed Ex is
DB> structured and does business netmail me. As for OS/2 2.0, it went in
DB> style on a chartered Lear Jet to the disk duplicators as promissed
Who gives a crap HOW it is delivered? Just show us which one gets into
user's hands, first.
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From: Lane Lester
To: David Wright Msg #141, Apr-02-92 07:58:00
Subject: Hpfs benchmarks
DW> DOS apps running under OS/2 on an HPFS
DW>partition benefit from the
DW>increased speed of the file system, but
DW>they cannot use the
DW>long filenames or extended attributes
DW>that HPFS supports.
Do the EA's contain any information that you HAVE to have? Or can you choose
to do without it? Please excuse this question if the manual will answer it,
but I may not be able to use OS/2 when it arrives unless I can back up my hard
drive. I can't afford to get rid of my Colorado drive right now.
I will take your advice and call Colorado to encourage them to produce an OS/2
version.
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*** This is a reply to #39.
From: Lane Lester
To: Michael Nelson Msg #142, Apr-02-92 08:01:00
Subject: Qwk readers
MN> Uh... Slimer does NOT have an built-in editor. It is
MN> supplied with an editor (SLME.EXE), but it is an external
MN> editor that gets shelled to by SLMR, just like any other
MN> external editor.
Many Windows users prefer the shareware WinQWK, a Winapp which manages the
packets, has internal unZIP, and has an internal editor.
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From: Craig Swanson
To: Ranjit Thomas Msg #143, Apr-03-92 11:55:32
Subject: OS/2 PowerOpen Pink Taligent WIN 32
RT> I have been reading about the advent
RT> of new operating systems like PowerOpen ( an IBM/Apple project) and
RT> Taligent/Pink . PowerOpen is suposed to be available in early 1993,
RT> ( add a year or two<grin>) and will be a multiuser, multitasking
RT> OS that can run DOS, Mac, A/UX, AIX, OS/2 and Windows applications.
PowerOpen is planned to be an Apple and IBM Unix, not a replacement for Mac
System 7.x or OS/2 2.x. Taligent is another project entirely. For more
information about PowerOpen, look for the article in Byte magazine, February
1992, page 96.
RT> Sounds like it will " be a better OS/2 than OS/2 ".
RT> Will OS/2 survive past 1993 or 1994 ? I am dubious.
IBM has indicated that their future operating systems will run OS/2
applications and that OS/2 is planned to be important throughout the 1990's.
PowerOpen is Apple/IBM standard Unix, not a replacement for OS/2.
There is a lot of confusion about this issue, but no matter whether IBM calls
it OS/2 comatible operating system OS/2 or Taligent or whatever, it will run
OS/2 applications according to their plans.
To put it in perspective, do you see people running around proclaiming the end
of Windows because NT may be out next year? NT is about as much like Windows
3.x as a skyscraper is like a cave dwelling, but you don't see people worried
about Windows 3.x applications not running on it. So why do you believe
Microsoft and not believe IBM?
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From: Don Dawson
To: Robert Montgomery Msg #144, Apr-03-92 19:40:24
Subject: os2 tape backup
On <Mar 31 @18:51> Robert Montgomery (1:141/209) wrote to Don Dawson:
RM> Unfortuantely, the only problem with FAT backup and FAT transfer
RM> programs is that they don't preserve the Operating system. But this
RM> has not been a problem, as I just install the OS over the restored OS /2
RM> apps.
How do you restore your desktop? i.e. icons, etc.
Thanks.
B-) Don
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From: Axel Mueller
To: Uwe Kloth Msg #145, Apr-01-92 18:12:50
Subject: Devicedriver for Adaptec
In a message to All <30 Mar 92 00:32> Uwe Kloth wrote:
UK> Hello All !
UK> Help, i'm searching a device-driver for the ADAPTEC 1542 SCSI
UK> controller and OS/2 2.0.
UK> Who is able to say me, where it is possible to request such a driver ?
UK> (Please only HST or V.32b, the loaction is not important !)
UK> Thanks and bye >>> Uwe <<<
Hi Uwe,
I have the same problem like you. So if you get a hint or the driver itself
please let me know. Is really important to me. Do you have the DOS-driver for
the AHA 1542 called ASPI4DOS.SYS ?
Ciao, X X
\ /
Axel
/ \
X X
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From: Axel Mueller
To: Stan Gammons Msg #146, Apr-01-92 19:58:40
Subject: Floppy question
In a message to Lee Spangler <30 Mar 92 18:06> Stan Gammons wrote:
SG> OS/2 logo screen on my system with an
SG> Adaptec 1542b and SCSI drive, I have no idea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hi Stan,
What driver you are using for the Adaptec 1542b to run in protected mode?
Where can I get the driver?
Thanx.
Ciao, X X
\ /
Axel
/ \
X X
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*** This is a reply to #71.
From: Ivan Schaffel
To: All Msg #147, Apr-04-92 01:40:00
Subject: Shipping
The following is a message from a local Connecticut echo. The author is an
owner of a computer store in Cheshire, CT, where one of the Ingram MicroD
warehouses are located. Nothing has been chopped from the message.
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Date: 02 Apr 92 17:31:10 From: Bil Cook on 141/333, Ascii Neighbo of
ConnCentral, West Haven CT To: Jerry Schwartz on 141/390, The Library of
ConnCentral, West Haven CT Subj: New System
JS> Windows 3.1
well I was at Ingram today and was watching the workers go crazy there.
Sitting on the right side of the loading dock was lots and lots of skids of
white boxes with brown lettering on them. On the left side of the inbound
staging area was a whole bunch of TRUE BLUE boxes with white lettering on
them. They were picking product from those skids by the multiple cases, for
shipment out so that product was in stores on Monday. And the Cheshire
warehouse is one of the smallest in Ingram's delivery chain. I wonder what it
is like at Chicago or Calif. They were not very happy campers with two big
product releases the same time. I did not have the heart to tell them that
the new version of Desqview was shipping soon. grin So look for product in
stores on Monday. Let the operating system wars begin!!!!
Bil --END--
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