[JAMLANG] - Comparative Evaluation - Draft Version
Ilias Lazaridis
you can conveniently fill a form with the code / information:
http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
if you are unclear about the template, you can use the ruby evaluation
as a reference:
http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby/
[note: the ruby language hits on some limitations, thus the code is
incomplete]
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Ilias Lazaridis
> I am comparing several languages based on a fixed template.
>
> you can conveniently fill a form with the code / information:
>
> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
I've no submission till now.
an experienced tcl programmer can fill this in within 5 min.
I will format the submissions an publish them.
The results enables language evaluators to check tcl quickly.
Gerald W. Lester
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
>> I am comparing several languages based on a fixed template.
>>
>> you can conveniently fill a form with the code / information:
>>
>> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
>
>
> I've no submission till now.
>
> an experienced tcl programmer can fill this in within 5 min.
The "template" makes assumptions that all languages are alike -- some of
them are just nonsense in Tcl and thus can not be stated in a way that
makes sense.
>
> I will format the submissions an publish them.
>
> The results enables language evaluators to check tcl quickly.
>
>> if you are unclear about the template, you can use the ruby evaluation
>> as a reference:
>>
>> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby/
>>
>> [note: the ruby language hits on some limitations, thus the code is
>> incomplete]
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
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Ilias Lazaridis
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>>
>>> I am comparing several languages based on a fixed template.
>>>
>>> you can conveniently fill a form with the code / information:
>>>
>>> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
>>
>> I've no submission till now.
>>
>> an experienced tcl programmer can fill this in within 5 min.
>
> The "template" makes assumptions that all languages are alike --
the object oriented ones are alike - and that languages are the targets
of the template.
does tcl not support OO programming?
> some of
> them are just nonsense in Tcl and thus can not be stated in a way that
> makes sense.
you can write e.g. : not applicable.
[I got e.g. a partial response for "php"]
>> I will format the submissions an publish them.
>>
>> The results enables language evaluators to check tcl quickly.
>>
>>> if you are unclear about the template, you can use the ruby
>>> evaluation as a reference:
>>>
>>> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby/
>>>
>>> [note: the ruby language hits on some limitations, thus the code is
>>> incomplete]
.
Clemens Hintze
(...)
>>>> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
>>>
>>> I've no submission till now.
>>>
>>> an experienced tcl programmer can fill this in within 5 min.
>>
>> The "template" makes assumptions that all languages are alike --
>
> the object oriented ones are alike - and that languages are the
> targets of the template.
If you mean that they have objects and send messages - yes, they are
alike. But if I declare a painting as some color smeared onto a
surface, then all paintings are alike too (and what about photos?) ...
> does tcl not support OO programming?
"More" than any other language I know so far ;-)
Choose one from that (not exhaustive) list: Snit, Odys, XOTcl, OTcl,
ITcl, BOOP, TOOT, STOOOP, LOST, OO2 ...
Okay, I feel boring now ... look for yourself at
http://wiki.tcl.tk/references/5886!
>> some of them are just nonsense in Tcl and thus can not be stated in
>> a way that makes sense.
>
> you can write e.g. : not applicable.
Depends of the OO system used, yes?
(...)
Best regards,
Clemens.
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Ilias Lazaridis
> In article <d41upa$4ft$1...@usenet.otenet.gr>, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>
>>>>>http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
>>>>
>>>>I've no submission till now.
>>>>
>>>>an experienced tcl programmer can fill this in within 5 min.
>>>
>>>The "template" makes assumptions that all languages are alike --
>>
>>the object oriented ones are alike - and that languages are the
>>targets of the template.
>
> If you mean that they have objects and send messages - yes, they are
> alike.
I mean it for the current scope:
http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
> But if I declare a painting as some color smeared onto a
> surface, then all paintings are alike too (and what about photos?) ...
>
>>does tcl not support OO programming?
>
> "More" than any other language I know so far ;-)
>
> Choose one from that (not exhaustive) list: Snit, Odys, XOTcl, OTcl,
> ITcl, BOOP, TOOT, STOOOP, LOST, OO2 ...
>
> Okay, I feel boring now ... look for yourself at
>
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/references/5886!
It is meaningless to increase complexity for filling in a simple
templete, which contains things like
"create a class"
"add methods"
"add variables"
etc.
>>>some of them are just nonsense in Tcl and thus can not be stated in
>>>a way that makes sense.
>>
>>you can write e.g. : not applicable.
>
> Depends of the OO system used, yes?
has Tcl multiple OO systems?
if so, take the one of your choice an state it:
http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
> (...)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Clemens.
>
Ilias Lazaridis
> I am comparing several languages based on a fixed template.
>
> you can conveniently fill a form with the code / information:
>
> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
I start to understand:
http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/6.html
tcl has no standard OO model.
sad.
lvi...@gmail.com
According to Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com>:
:tcl has no standard OO model.
:
:sad.
A number of developers agree. However, many others find the
fact that Tcl does not lock them into a single OO model freeing,
whereas java, ruby, python, etc. developers are stuck forcing
square pegs into round holes...
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Andreas Leitgeb
> According to Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com>:
>:tcl has no standard OO model.
>:sad.
> A number of developers agree. However, many others find the
> fact that Tcl does not lock them into a single OO model freeing,
> whereas java, ruby, python, etc. developers are stuck forcing
> square pegs into round holes...
Most of them will tell you, that outside of academical
circles, square pegs have gone mostly extinct, their
previous space now entirely taken by round pegs ...
Donal K. Fellows
> I start to understand:
> http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/6.html
> tcl has no standard OO model.
> sad.
Yep. But we're in the middle of a break between OO model flaming right
now, so let's keep quiet about it. At least for the rest of this week...
Donal.
David N. Welton
> I HEREBY DECLARE: That the One True Standard Object System for Tcl
> Shall Henceforth Be ...
...
> (OK, so it's 19 days late ...)
1900 days?
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Ilias Lazaridis
> According to Ilias Lazaridis <il...@lazaridis.com>:
> :tcl has no standard OO model.
> :
> :sad.
>
> A number of developers agree. However, many others find the
> fact that Tcl does not lock them into a single OO model freeing,
> whereas java, ruby, python, etc. developers are stuck forcing
> square pegs into round holes...
By honest and rational rating, this community should be able to say:
"x" is the most standard OO system for TCL.
I mean, you are intrested to get new users, aren't you?
Please give me an idea of how OO looks within TCL, thus I can place it
into the comparison.
I mean, I can place multiple TCL-OO's there, too.
http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/index.html
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Bob Techentin
>
> I HEREBY DECLARE: That the One True Standard
> Object System for Tcl Shall Henceforth Be ...
>
>
> I Have Spoken.
Wow! Thanks for taking care of that, Joe. We've all been waiting a
long time.
(And I thought they were figuring out the Pope thing in Rome...)
:-)
Bob
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Larry Smith
> "Joe English" <@> wrote
>
>>I HEREBY DECLARE: That the One True Standard
>>Object System for Tcl Shall Henceforth Be ...
>>
>>... SNIT.
>>
>>I Have Spoken.
>
> Wow! Thanks for taking care of that, Joe.
Gee - someone actually threw a snit in the tcl newsgroup... =)
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Ilias Lazaridis
really none to post a reply?
Bryan Schofield
[incr XOooSnit]
Sphew problem solved!