Python certification
srinivasan srinivas
I m planning to do certification in Python??
Is therr any good certification available in Python like Sun certification for java??
Thanks,
Sirni
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Ben Finney
> I m planning to do certification in Python??
Why the question marks? Are you asking us whether this is true?
> Is therr any good certification available in Python like Sun
> certification for java??
You'll need to tell us what you want to use the certification *for*,
and perhaps then a meaningful recommendation can be made. “good” for
what particular purpose?
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Ben Finney
Christian Heimes
> Hi,
> I m planning to do certification in Python??
The topic has been discussed on the internal Python Software Foundation
list multiple times but w/o a definite answer.
Christian
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> srinivasan srinivas <sri_a...@yahoo.co.in> writes:
>
>> I m planning to do certification in Python??
>
> Why the question marks? Are you asking us whether this is true?
Perhaps he's one of those people who end sentences with a rising inflection?
Found among Australasians, possibly elsewhere?
Bruno Desthuilliers
> Hi,
> I m planning to do certification in Python??
> Is therr any good certification available in Python like Sun certification for java??
Yes, indeed : actively contribute to some major python project (or even
better to the language itself or its stdlib), and become an helpful
regular here.
!-)
Gosh - i HATE this "certification" racket bizness. The only thing they
"certify" is that you paid the fees. period.
Python Nutter
quit Python forever and move on to another language.
Certification prooves you're an idiot who needs to spend money to work
for another idiot who doesn't know enough about programming to know if
they hire competent programmers and need an idiot paper to make them
feel better and sleep better at night.
2008/10/18 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand>:
olive
> Certification prooves you're an idiot who needs to spend money to work
> for another idiot who doesn't know enough about programming to know if
> they hire competent programmers and need an idiot paper to make them
> feel better and sleep better at night.
>
+1 QOTW
Eric Wertman
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
While in the current state of affairs I agree completely, I do think
that IT in general would be a much better field to work in if there
were some industry standard certifications that were required. More
like the medical and legal fields than the vendor specific ones we see
today from Microsoft, IBM, etc.
Eric
Bruno Desthuilliers
I've seen my share of totally incompetent doctors and lawyers... And
given current "IT industry standards" (J2EE code monkeys anyone ?), I
wouldn't bet a single cent on what kind of "certification" they could
come with.
> Eric
Terry Reedy
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>
>
> While in the current state of affairs I agree completely, I do think
> that IT in general would be a much better field to work in if there
> were some industry standard certifications that were required. More
> like the medical and legal fields than the vendor specific ones we see
> today from Microsoft, IBM, etc.
Given the way that medical/legal licensing is used to stifle
competition, prevent innovation, and keep people from earning a living
delivering simple services that people need at prices they can afford,
'more like' would have to be done very carefully.
Eric Wertman
> prevent innovation, and keep people from earning a living delivering simple
> services that people need at prices they can afford, 'more like' would have
> to be done very carefully.
To draw an analogy... imagine, if you will, a system where
pharmaceutical companies are the leading source of doctor
certifications. While I'm sure there are many valid arguments that
would show today's system is far from perfect, I'm thinking that would
be a worse horror by some order of magnitude.
Bruno Desthuilliers
>> Given the way that medical/legal licensing is used to stifle competition,
>> prevent innovation, and keep people from earning a living delivering simple
>> services that people need at prices they can afford, 'more like' would have
>> to be done very carefully.
>
> To draw an analogy... imagine, if you will, a system where
> pharmaceutical companies are the leading source of doctor
> certifications.
Ain't that already the case ?
Terry Reedy
>> Given the way that medical/legal licensing is used to stifle competition,
>> prevent innovation, and keep people from earning a living delivering simple
>> services that people need at prices they can afford, 'more like' would have
>> to be done very carefully.
>
> To draw an analogy... imagine, if you will, a system where
> pharmaceutical companies are the leading source of doctor
> would show today's system is far from perfect, I'm thinking that would
> be a worse horror by some order of magnitude.
If pharmaceutical companies had more influence on licensing people to
make drug suggestions/prescriptions, I suspect they would give more
power to nurses and pharmacists to make such suggestions, to the
improvement of health care in America. America's legal care system is
*way* far from perfect, especially in the civil sphere, though I read it
is even more wretched elsewhere.
I would hate to live in a world where you had to have three years of
graduate professional training to write a for-loop for pay, or where
scientists and mathematicians were prohibited from writing code
(practicing software) without a license. Or where someone who just
wanted to practice Python had to first master assembly.
I would be interested to hear if you know something about medical/legal
exams, quite aside from there use as legal cudgels, that would
contribute to (carefully) improving voluntary computer training and exams.
Eric Wertman
> graduate professional training to write a for-loop for pay, or where
> scientists and mathematicians were prohibited from writing code (practicing
> software) without a license. Or where someone who just wanted to practice
> Python had to first master assembly.
>
> I would be interested to hear if you know something about medical/legal
> exams, quite aside from there use as legal cudgels, that would contribute to
> (carefully) improving voluntary computer training and exams.
I think what I'm after is something not so extreme as this. Obviously
there are numerous folks out there that don't have a boatload of
formal education and are quite competent, while the opposite is also
almost certainly true. Maybe I'm just reacting negatively to the
constant advertisements I hear on the radio for '6 months to your
Microsoft certification' blah blah, and the general trend I see that
says you can ignore the need for 'expensive experts' if you just use
vendor X's solution. The truth I perceive is that IT is an unusual
field where one good employee can accomplish more than any number of
mediocre ones ever will. I'm not sure a lot of businesses grasp this,
they still think that if there's a problem with getting something
done, they just need more people, when in reality they would
accomplish more by removing the less competent ones than adding more
of any kind.
I'm not advocating some kind of licensing for programmers. I just
really wish there was some reasonable gauge that could be used to
evaluate information professionals. There are many people in the
field that are not only incompetent, but they are that way on purpose,
and they use the complexity of the field to deceive whoever they can.
They may or may not be 'certified' and they may or may not have
master's degrees.
I see your points. Again, I think mostly this is just my frustration
in general. My perception of the world lately is that the stupid and
apathetic have really begun to take over. Maybe it was always like
that, or maybe I'm wrong. Or... maybe it's just Monday :).
Grant Edwards
> I'm not advocating some kind of licensing for programmers. I
> just really wish there was some reasonable gauge that could be
> used to evaluate information professionals.
It would be nice if there was, but there isn't. AFAICT,
certification for other things in software (whether it's RedHat
or Microsoft) has proven completely worthless. There's no
reason to think certification for Python would be any
different. As soon as there's a certification test, there are
going to be courses and study guides to allow useless people to
temporarily memorized enough to pass the test without becoming
useful.
You've still got to interview them and see what sort of
questions they ask. I find the questions people ask to be more
revealing than the questions they answer.
--
Grant