(Re: HARASSMENT -- Monthly Autoemail)
Al MacHonahey
>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:35:54 GMT, Gil Harvey <g...@netquick.net>, in
><37b6355f...@news.interpath.net> wrote:
>+ On 15 Aug 1999 02:09:53 GMT, fl_a...@thepentagon.com (I R A Darth
>+ Aggie) wrote:
>+
>+
>+ >You realize that by posting to Usenet, you are implicitly
permitting
>+ >email responses?
>+
>+ No - I'm permetting responses to my post in the same forum I
>+ posted. Get real....
>
>If that's what you believe, then stop posting to usenet.
Actually posting with a valid email address does not imply that one
wants an email response. If someone wants a response then they request
it. Is it even a wonder why many people post with invalid email
addresses just to avoid getting spam.
By definition, Unsolisited mail (no matter what kind - email, 'snail')
is mail one has not directly requested in any way. And those that got
Tom Christiansen's automated emails, most of which openly stated they
never requested such emails in the original thread, were by US and
Euopean laws (if not others), being 'spammed'. I was one of these
vitums of Tom. Like others claimed, I asked him to stop and this
continued for about 4 months until I sent an angry letter with each
email from Tom (including all the headers) to his ISP that he was
using at the time. This was not recently, mind you, it was some time
ago. But the point is, being the author or co-author of a well known
book does not give one the excuse to exercise the practices of a
'spammer'.
I have noticed this NG has been a bit nicer since his leave, which is
of no surprise. He may have written decent books, but his behavior
here towards those new to perl and harsh tone to those using MS
Windows. Google.com has done a nice job of archiving everything that
has been thrown around in here. If you need more proof of Tom's
behavior jsut look there.
Tad McClellan
aka Chris Jacobs, aka Jerad Baltimora wrote:
> Subject: (Re: HARASSMENT -- Monthly Autoemail)
What's with the "Re:"? There is no References header.
What's with the parenthesis around the Subject?
> I R A Darth Aggie wrote in message ...
>>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:35:54 GMT, Gil Harvey <g...@netquick.net>, in
^^^^
^^^^
>><37b6355f...@news.interpath.net> wrote:
>>+ On 15 Aug 1999 02:09:53 GMT, fl_a...@thepentagon.com (I R A Darth
^^^^
^^^^
>>+ Aggie) wrote:
Phew!
And I thought my newsfeed was slow. You should change providers (again).
> I was one of these
> vitums of Tom.
Yes we know, you keep coming back here to bring it up again and again.
> This was not recently, mind you, it was some time
> ago.
Time to get over it and move on with your life.
You object to Tom posting here.
Tom does not post here.
Things are as you wish them to be, so what is your beef?
> behavior jsut look there.
^^^^
^^^^
At least you are consistent.
Could you please choose one email address to use when posting
here? Thank you.
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
ta...@augustmail.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
Jay Tilton
aka Chris Jacobs (cb...@aol.com, cj...@mailNO-SPAM.com)
aka Greg Jona, aka Manny Wilco (ma...@holjar.net)
aka Impalus, aka Jilla Villa (jilla...@otakumail.com)
aka Jim Rogers (bl...@c4.com)
aka Kamitri (srob...@yahoo.com)
aka Harl (srob...@y-a-h-o-o.c-o-m)
aka Harl Mason (hm...@prodigy.net)
aka Jerad Baltimora (jb...@no-spam.com)
aka Keagen Miller (kmi...@dontspamme.com)
aka MJ Ownes (MJO...@email.nospam)
aka Robin Givens (RobGv@2!s!o!n.net)
wrote:
| Google.com has done a nice job of archiving everything that
| has been thrown around in here.
Indeed. With just a little work, it could have reminded you which alter
egos had previously expressed displeasure with Tom's automail.
Impalus
news:3d752771....@news.erols.com...
> savage...@yahoo.com (Al MacHonahey)[Snipped a list that has absolutely nothing to due with me]
> Indeed. With just a little work, it could have reminded you which
alter
> egos had previously expressed displeasure with Tom's automail.
FYI I'm usually just lurking in here and I noticed I was put on this
list for go knows what reason, I'm guessing just an innocent mistake. I
have nothing to do wih such riff raff nor do I have the time to waste
for it.
---------
~ Impalus
Jay Tilton
I see. You just happen to use the same infamous NNTP-Posting-Host and
demonstrate the same pathological inability to spell that one word.
Impalus
Um, did you even look at "Al"'s host and what word would you be refering
to? I guess obviously {ANYONE} who makes a typo is the same person then,
right? Stop trying to lure in trouble so we can go back to Perl stop.
This is way off topic as it is.
Bob Dover
>
> > | > aka Impalus, aka Jilla Villa (jilla...@otakumail.com)
> > | [Snipped a list that has absolutely nothing to due with me]
> >
> to? I guess obviously {ANYONE} who makes a typo is the same person then,
> right?
Changing "do" to "due" is hardly a typo.
Bart Lateur
>Changing "do" to "due" is hardly a typo.
It is when you used a speech-to-type converter.
--
Bart.
Al MacHonahey
> Al MacHonahey, aka Manny Wilco, aka Robin Givens, aka MJ Owens,
> aka Chris Jacobs, aka Jerad Baltimora wrote:
>
> > Subject: (Re: HARASSMENT -- Monthly Autoemail)
>
>
> What's with the "Re:"? There is no References header.
>
> What's with the parenthesis around the Subject?
No references? *You* try adding those via google, smart arse. Also,
the date and time and origial subject serve as references. It's iroic
actually. All that info in the '[bla] wrote...' lines that cna easily
searched for in google. And arent you one of the guys that always
preaches to use such search engines? Talk about not RTFM. Hypocrit.
> > I R A Darth Aggie wrote in message ...
> >>On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:35:54 GMT, Gil Harvey <g...@netquick.net>, in
> ^^^^
> ^^^^
> >><37b6355f...@news.interpath.net> wrote:
> >>+ On 15 Aug 1999 02:09:53 GMT, fl_a...@thepentagon.com (I R A Darth
> ^^^^
> ^^^^
> >>+ Aggie) wrote:
>
>
> Phew!
>
> And I thought my newsfeed was slow. You should change providers (again).
Since when is it a crime to reply to something you werent able to at
the time?
> > I was one of these
> > vitums of Tom.
> Yes we know, you keep coming back here to bring it up again and again.
This is the first time you half wit.
> > This was not recently, mind you, it was some time
> > ago.
> Time to get over it and move on with your life.
>
> You object to Tom posting here.
>
> Tom does not post here.
>
> Things are as you wish them to be, so what is your beef?
My post was not about Tom but the question of whether or not posting
with your email in the post implies you want email. Read my post
again.
> > behavior jsut look there.
> ^^^^
> ^^^^
Well gosh darn it. I must one of the small few that make a typo.
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> At least you are consistent.
>
> Could you please choose one email address to use when posting
> here? Thank you.
I have only *one* email address.
Would it kill ya yo actually stick to the point *instead* of
riddiculing everything that crosses your path? And you people wonder
why people like Manny Wilco retaliate in such extream ways. (a bit
overboard imho but most are not with out their beginning motivation.)
If you cannot add or refute the main point of my post then just ignore
it. Another irony, since I've seen you and others rave about how great
killfiles are but apparently don't use them.
Anno Siegel
> Bob Dover wrote:
>
> >Changing "do" to "due" is hardly a typo.
>
> It is when you used a speech-to-type converter.
...in particular when you speak in so many voices at once.
Anno
Oliver A Ruebenacker
: ta...@augustmail.com (Tad McClellan) wrote in message news:<slrnana65c...@magna.augustmail.com>...
: > Al MacHonahey, aka Manny Wilco, aka Robin Givens, aka MJ Owens,
: > aka Chris Jacobs, aka Jerad Baltimora wrote:
: > > Subject: (Re: HARASSMENT -- Monthly Autoemail)
: >
: > What's with the "Re:"? There is no References header.
: No references? *You* try adding those via google, smart arse.
I think his point was you were faking a reply, and he convinces me. It
looks to me like you just hate Tom Christiansen and make up a reason to
flame him, and on top of that use many identities.
: that cna easily searched for in google.
You should not tell other people how to use this group, but adapt
yourself to the community.
: Since when is it a crime to reply to something you werent able to at
: the time?
I see. Since three years, you wanted to reply, and finally, you got the
chance. Must be a big relief.
: My post was not about Tom but [...]
Most of your post was about Tom. I guess you should read it again.
: I have only *one* email address.
And which one do you claim this would be? ;)
: Would it kill ya yo actually stick to the point *instead* of
: riddiculing everything that crosses your path? And you people wonder
: why people like Manny Wilco retaliate in such extream ways. (a bit
: overboard imho but most are not with out their beginning motivation.)
Oh, appearently, you are getting confused about which of your
identities you have used at what time. Well, this happens, if you trying
to pretend to be many different people.
: If you cannot add or refute the main point of my post
Was your main point not posting behaviour? And are we not sticking to
this point very strictly? And did we not make a good addition to your main
point by scrutinizing your very peculiar way of posting trying to fool
everybody?
And do you not think your postings can be much more annoying than a
"monthly automail"?
Cheers
Oliver
Jay Tilton
from NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.85.248.159, wrote:
| "Jay Tilton" <til...@erols.com> wrote in message
| news:3d75a128....@news.erols.com...
| >
| > I see. You just happen to use the same infamous NNTP-Posting-Host and
| > demonstrate the same pathological inability to spell that one word.
|
| Um, did you even look at "Al"'s host
I sure did. Wanna see? It's pretty neat!
NNTP-Posting-Host peculiarities
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.85.248.159
used by cb...@aol.com
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.170.29.254
used by cj...@mailno-spam.com
used by jilla...@otakumail.com
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.127.82.97
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.127.82.98
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.127.82.99
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: astound-64-85-248-159.ca.astound.net
used by kmi...@dontspamme.com
used by mjo...@email.nospam
used by robgv@2!s!o!n.net
used by srob...@yahoo.com
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.32.84
also used by hm...@prodigy.net
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: mspp0003fws.msp.seren.com
also used by jb...@no-spam.com
also used by ma...@holjar.net
also used by srob...@y-a-h-o-o.c-o-m
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.172.197.34
also used by bl...@c4.com
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.170.29.72
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.40.249.58
also used by savage...@yahoo.com
also uses NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.158.81
(OBPerl)
The code that maps between users and hosts was a fun little bit of
recursion. Ugly in a place or two (it's the golfer typing), but workable.
my @hash_pair = \(my (%name_to_nntp, %nntp_to_name));
# populate hashes-of-arrays, remove dupes, etc.
chain_hash_pair('NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.85.248.159', \@hash_pair);
my $nest;
sub chain_hash_pair {
$nest++;
my $key = shift;
my $hashes = shift;
if( my $values = delete $hashes->[ $nest % 2 ]->{$key} ) {
print
indent(),
($nest>2
? ($nest%2 ? 'also uses ' : 'also used by ')
: ($nest==2 ? 'used by ' : '')
), $key, "\n";
chain_hash_pair($_, $hashes) for @$values
}
$nest--;
}
sub indent { " " x $nest }
Here are some interesting article numbers and summaries of the entertaining
parts.
Message-ID: <qQuP8.624$nU7.48...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Chris Jacobs (chb...@mail.com), trying to get a Half-Life server up, says
64.85.248.159 is the IP of a computer under his control, "my win comp."
Message-ID: <8OTK8.4561$2N4.30...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Robin Givens (RobGv@2!s!o!n.net) offers the old "roommates/at
school/firewall" explanation for why she and MJ Ownes
(MJO...@email.nospam) come from the same host. I guess this university is
in Chris's basement.
Message-ID: <2NWE8.41043$UV4.7714@rwcrnsc54>
Manny Wilco (ma...@holjar.net) explains some remarkable similarities
between his own posts and those of Harl, Kamitri, and Al MacHonahey. It
seems a scalawag cow-orker had obtained login information with a keystroke
logger surreptitiously placed on his machine. The rapscallion even
mimicked spelling atrocities to hide his tracks. Fiendish!
Message-ID: <lFiX8.2471$aA3.29...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
MD Yang (bl...@c4.com) spins a yarn about toddlers at a daycare using his
old computer (no longer in his possession, and incompetently cleansed of
personal information) to post using some of the other names. Wha?
Message-ID: <vriX8.2465$Tv3.29...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Same thread. Chris Jacobs responds to a post addressing MD Yang.
"...that's not me. Though Chris has posted off this computer."
Seems Yang forgot for a second which one he is.
| and what word would you be refering to?
There are lots of them. Wanna see a few? It's pretty neat!
Bizarre Spellings
bl...@c4.com : 'would of' (1)
cb...@aol.com : 'could of' (3), 'jsut' (1)
cj...@mailno-spam.com : 'arguement' (4), 'biggot' (1), 'jsut' (8),
'should of' (1), 'someoen' (1)
hm...@prodigy.net : 'could of' (1), 'jsut' (1)
jb...@no-spam.com : 'biggot' (1), 'extream' (1), 'jsut' (1)
jilla...@otakumail.com : 'arguement' (1), 'jsut' (3),
'should of' (1)
kmi...@dontspamme.com : 'jsut' (1)
ma...@holjar.net : 'could of' (2), 'extream' (1),
'ignoreant' (1), 'jsut' (17),
'should of' (2), 'someoen' (11),
'unwarrented' (1), 'would of' (1)
mjo...@email.nospam : 'jsut' (3)
robgv@2!s!o!n.net : 'jsut' (4), 'someoen' (1), 'would of' (1)
savage...@yahoo.com : 'jsut' (5), 'unwarrented' (1)
srob...@y-a-h-o-o.c-o-m : 'jsut' (1), 'someoen' (2)
srob...@yahoo.com : 'arguement' (1), 'someoen' (2),
'unwarrented' (2)
The code that made that part is pretty dull stuff. Just a lot of hashing
and a list of qr// 's.
| I guess obviously {ANYONE} who makes a typo is the same person then,
| right?
An absurd question. *A* typo or mistake, no. The same sets of mistakes,
over and over again, maybe. The answer escalates to yes with some other
common elements, e.g.
* A common posting host, claimed to be owned by one persona.
* A vocal dislike for "RTFM" and "How to post" postings.
* A particularly venomous hatred for Tom Christiansen.
* A fondness for the exact same games, same programming languages,
same OS-es, etc.
* Utter inability to handle reply-quoted line wraps.
* Complete ignorance of the correct sig-delimiting string.
* En masse defense of any one persona who is rebuffed or plonked.
* Fantastic and inconsistent "someone else did that" fictions.
* General crimes committed against the English language, despite posting
with Outlook Express and owning a F7 key.
| so we can go back to Perl stop.
| This is way off topic as it is.
A very good idea. Since there is agreement, all parties shall consider the
issue closed.