Stop Steve, why ???
StopThisAdvertising
As I said there: "No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't help)."
I got support from a couple of people here (thanks a lot for that; very stimulating !)
Of course, some people (a few) try to put the blame on me.
As also was to be expected, Steve is 'not amused' ... He uses very offensive and insulting language.
I don't like Steve, but that's *not* the issue here.
The "contact me ..." (over and over and over and over ...) is the issue.
My only goal is to stop this advertising from Steve.
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I am very convinced that this can be done.
You are asking how ???
Read the thread 'Stop Steve, how ???'
I can use some 'moral' support. That's why I am pointing out some issues explicitly.
So anyone interested can see that:
-- Steve is an advertising machine, over and over again (BTW: This is NOT about the sig !)
http://groups.google.nl/groups?as_q=contact-me&as_epq=email%20address%20&as_uauthors=PC%20Datasheet%20&as_scoring=d&lr=&hl=nl
-- He hides his identity while asking questions: He posted as Steve, Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Kristine, Heather and ??
http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&threadm=GI7zb.1644%24Qd6.1325%40newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net&rnum=6&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dnl%26lr%3D%26q%3Dhamonroe%40%26btnG%3DZoeken%26meta%3D
(As this 'Heather' he asked many questions)
http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&q=hamo...@cseducationalsystems.org&btnG=Zoeken&meta=group%3Dcomp.databases.ms-access
Even more questions as 'Kristine': (more than 300 !)
http://groups.google.nl/groups?q=kschonder%40bellsouth.net&hl=nl&lr=&group=comp.databases.ms-access&sa=G&scoring=d
He is Melanie here ...
http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&selm=1OWA9.6191%24h37.1587%40tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net
-- Some email-aliases:
rla...@penn.com , tand...@verizon.net , ksch...@bellsouth.net , mle...@easystreet.com , hamo...@cseducationalsystems.org
kdes...@earthlink.net ... Indeed Steve is a 'major contributor'.
-- He tries to sell a CD ($125,--) with FREE code he gathered from these groups here
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=_aCJd.5884%24r27.4449%40newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net
-- There also has been a 'Scam-alert'. If this is only partial true ...
http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&selm=99lk8u%24bfd%241%40sshuraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com
Arno R
Lyle Fairfield
Lyle
PC Datasheet
Pat particular attention to who the first responder is to the thread and to
the first responder to the thread titled, "Stop Steve,how". He is a *fairy*;
you decide on how much credibility to give *him ???*.
Steve
PC Datasheet
"StopThisAdvertising" <StopThisAdvertising@DataShit> wrote in message
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Duane Hookom
way cool!
If you are making a remark regarding someone's behaviour or beliefs that has
nothing to do with this Access or these news groups then you have just sunk
to a new low.
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
"PC Datasheet" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Nick Coe (UK)
orientation but you are rapidly becoming a major pita Mr S.
Any danger you could stop being so bloody reactive and start
responding instead?
I did empathise with your situation to begin with but all
that poison and foul language you've dished out has made me
feel less than sympathetic.
--
Nick Coe (UK)
http://www.alphacos.co.uk/
http://www.pjandcoe.co.uk
In
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PC Datasheet typed:
Jeff Conrad
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<yadda yadda snipped>
Hi Steve,
I have been avoiding getting into this mess and I still have great
reservation about posting this message, but I feel the time has
come that I speak up. With all sincerity Steve I hope you take
this message for what it is: advice. That is all I'm offering. I'm
not here to judge you or to judge Arno. I'm not here to give
my opinions on your actions or Arno's actions. I'm not here to
attack, slam, or defend you and the same goes for Arno. I'm also
not here to talk down to you by any means. I'm simply trying to
give some advice. This will be my one, *and only one* post on this
matter. Period.
We are all dancing around the heart of the matter and it is
incredibly obvious to me. However, I fear that this point is
not obvious to you, as well as other people.
As you can plainly see Steve, the "slam-Steve-fest" is in high gear
and is only getting worse and worse. Arno is going to be following
your posts like the Paparazzi is to celebrities. Is this the right thing
for Arno to do? Again, I'm not here to debate that. Even if Arno
stops this, someone else (or others) could easily pick up the trail
as well. Quite frankly there is nothing you can do to stop this.
You've said recently that it is obvious to *everyone* that if they
would like to seek your help off-line that they will be charged. I
beg to differ on that one. I *very* vividly remember someone
posting in these newsgroups last year who contacted you thinking
they would be given some free help. Upset that they were going to
be charged, that person posted back into the newsgroup and
complained about it. She even posted the entire off-line e-mail
message as well. I can locate that post if you wish. So there is
no denying that *some* confusion can be caused by your invitations.
You run a business that puts food on your table and clothes on your
back. I respect that and quite honestly, somewhat admire people
that are able to sustain themselves by doing the kind of work that you
do. You also give lots and lots of helpful advice to many people
here in the newsgroups and you have been doing that for many years.
There is no denying you are knowledgeable and helpful, but Duane
Hookom made a perfect comment just recently. He said, in essence,
that all the *good* in your posts is lost with the "other stuff." I
agree with that completely. People actually expect to see that extra
clause in all of your posts now.
Now to the heart of the matter. With Arno (and possibly others)
watching and following your posts and subsequent slam-fests going on,
who wins in this situation? The answer is *nobody* wins in this
situation! In fact, we ALL lose. The newsgroup is proliferated with
lots of name calling and shouting back and forth. Our time is taken
up with this matter and everyone suffers. Newcomers to the newsgroup
may never come back because we look unprofessional. The sharing
of ideas and knowledge is lost and we all look like kids on the
playground. Don't lose sight of point just yet; I'm not saying I agree
with what Arno is doing.
This is the $64,000 question Steve:
"Who **loses** more over this whole situation?"
Not a single person can deny the answer: it is you and your business
Steve. With every thread you become involved in being attacked
and name calling resulting, your business suffers. And it will suffer
heavily I have no doubt. Arno loses as well, yes, but not quite so much
a direct impact in the wallet as you. If I were a new person in this
newsgroup and you responded with an offer for help, I seriously
may consider it if I was looking for that option. However, after the
onslaught of bad-tasting posts begins to appear (and they **will**),
I would seriously think twice about seeking help from you! For
the life of me I cannot understand how YOU do not see this!
Your reputation for being a helpful person will continue to be
tarnished and people from the newsgroup will stop coming to you
for paid help. You will have an incredibly difficult time finding new
business in the newsgroups because you will stand out as someone
to avoid.
No one can deny that experts (and non experts even) have been
able to take on some business through their activity in the newsgroups.
It comes from not only the helpfulness of their posts, but the integrity
as well. I have no doubt that you can continue to generate income for
yourself by *only* offering your advice and help in the newsgroups.
Will it be as much? Possibly not. But look at the alternative: barely
anything. I certainly do not wish to see you leave the newsgroups, we
would all suffer from the loss of your knowledge.
Ultimately, the decision on what to do will be yours; no one can
deny that. You are free to do whatever you please, that is your
right. All I ask is that you take a long **objective** look at the
situation and decide what is best for you AND your business.
--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie
Bend, Oregon
Arno R
I wish more would take position on this as you do.
Whatever anyone may think: My intention is not 'slamming Steve'.
But he is damaging himself indeed.
What I explained in 'Stop Steve, how ???" is IMHO the ONLY way that I can think of to stop Steve's advertising.
If anyone knows another way ??
To all:
I have been thinking about it a lot.
I am sorry if anyone is offended. That's probably the way it has to be
Now I am waiting for the first one to call me a hypocrit.... That's probably the way it has to be
I try to react as little as possible. Believe it or not.
Read the thread, don't judge to fast, and please stay with the subject as Jeff does.
Arno R
"Jeff Conrad" <je...@ernstbrothers.com> schreef in bericht news:%23%23rgp4RR...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Keith
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> the first responder to the thread titled, "Stop Steve,how". He is a
> *fairy*;
Oh dear, if I were a prospective client I'd be looking elsewhere after
reading that.
Nikos Yannacopoulos
I couldn't agree more. It feels like you decided to write what was
piling up in my mind over the last couple of weeks (or more?) since Arno
started his "crusade" - right or wrong, is a different issue.
There's just one little thing I would like to add: right or wrong (that
is, whether one agrees or not, as it's all subjective), any point made
here carries a lot more weight if signed properly (with a full name),
rather than with a pseudonym. I don't understand the need for anonymity
when there's nothing to hide... or is there?
Regards,
Nikos
StopThisAdvertising
The links I provided in the original message apparantly are not always 'working' as pointed out by Alan Webb.
(message by Alan only to be found at cdma, not in the microsoft.public-groups)
Here is a link to a webpage with the original message (and working links)
http://home.tiscali.nl/arracom/stopsteve.html
Arno R
Midnight Cowboy
"PC Datasheet" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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>
> Pat particular attention to who the first responder is to the thread and
> to
> the first responder to the thread titled, "Stop Steve,how". He is a
> *fairy*;
> you decide on how much credibility to give *him ???*.
>
> Steve
> PC Datasheet
>
Steve--
Lyle is just very sensitive and has a speech disorder. Larry and David are
the resident faggots.
Neil
-- There also has been a 'Scam-alert'. If this is only partial true ...
http://groups.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr=&selm=99lk8u%24bfd%241%40sshuraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com
Arno R
Arno:
I am the one who wrote that message in this newsgroup back in 2001. I can
tell you most assuredly that what is written there is 100% true.
Neil Ginsberg