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Jonathan Sandys

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Aug 21, 2010, 4:21:09 PM8/21/10
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I would like to ask what the Churchill Centre is doing to encourage
the growth of both knowledge and membership for the next generation so
that we can ensure that the lessons of Winston Churchill are not
forgotten?

D. Craig Horn

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The Churchill Centre, with the support and cooperation of The Churchill
Centre USA, sponsors seminars and symposia at appropriate locations around
the world, publishes research, speeches and essays that promote study of the
life and lessons of Sir Winston S. Churchill. Our International and
Regional Churchill Conferences in varying locations around the world both
expand the knowledge and the reach, as well as promote the relevance of
Winston Churchill. In the USA, various chapters, with support from The
Churchill Centre, produce seminars for high school students and teachers,
conduct essay contests, provide scholarships, participate with libraries,
schools (public and private) and like-minded organizations around the world
to promote the study of statesmanship, leadership, history, the arts &
sciences and the high calling of public service. We encourage involvement
in our communities, our state and nation that applies the vision, boldness
and courage that Sir Winston Churchill embodied for all democratic and
freedom-loving peoples through his thoughts, words, works and deeds. The
Churchill Centre publications include "FINEST HOUR, The Journal of The
Churchill Centre," an award-winning publication of the highest quality in
both content and production, Chartwell Bulletin, an electronic newsletter
published monthly by The Churchill Centre. Our website,
www.winstonchurchill.org, is among the most reliable and extensive sources
for accurate quotes and the latest information regarding the activities of
The Churchill Centre and Churchill-related issues.

D. Craig Horn, President
The Churchill Centre USA

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Jonathan Sandys

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Aug 21, 2010, 5:37:21 PM8/21/10
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That's great information about what you're doing but I was hoping to
know a bit more about what the Churchill Centre is specifically doing
to encourage the next generation. While I see the value in seminars,
etc. in my experience young people interested in Churchill and
history are only so because of the information their relations give
them, or they are interested because a teacher has been afforded the
time to explore Churchill as a character, and they are interested in
the subject themselves.

Please allow me to proffer a scenario and question. A member of the
younger generation who cares about the memory of Winston Churchill,
sees the full value in the life lessons he taught and recognises the
importance of history, seeks the support of an organisation that works
hard to promote the life of Sir Winston Churchill, in the hope that
together they can appeal to the younger generation and continue the
important and great work that has been started. However, when
attempting to make that connection, the younger member, who is also
working extremely hard to promote the morals, values and life lessons
of Sir Winston Churchill, specifically to the younger generation, is
met with stonewalled rudeness by a member of the older and more
seasoned organisation. How do you think the younger member feels to
realise that instead of being able to work with an organisation to
enrich it and add to it, they are rejected by it? How would you, as
President of the Churchill Centre, react to a situation such as I have
mentioned?



On Aug 21, 3:21 pm, Jonathan Sandys <churchillsbrit...@gmail.com>
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That's a great questiong ... when I have a picure of an older WSC on my desk at work and two young folk thought it was Alfred Hitchcock ... say no more!

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Jonathan Sandys

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Thank you for your comment.

Laurence Geller

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Aug 21, 2010, 10:47:48 PM8/21/10
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Antoine Capet

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A few days ago, I received an electronic copy of the latest IB Tauris
2010-2011 catalogue:

www.ibtauris.com

They have a number of titles in the pipeline which might interest List
Members (all are planned for the
spring of 2011) :

ATTLEE'S WAR
World War II and the
Making of a Labour
Leader
Robert Crowcroft,
University of Leeds
320 PAGES 216 X 134MM MARCH 2011
9781848852860 HARDBACK �56.50
TAURIS ACADEMIC STUDIES
INTERNATIONAL LIBRARY OF TWENTIETH
CENTURY HISTORY


ALTERNATIVES TO APPEASEMENT
Neville Chamberlain and Hitler's
Germany
320 PAGES 216 X 134MM ILLUSTRATED APRIL 2011
9781848853775 HARDBACK �59.50
TAURIS ACADEMIC STUDIES
INTERNATIONAL LIBRARY OF TWENTIETH CENTURY
HISTORY,VOL. 42


BRITAIN AND THE DEFEATED
FRENCH
From Occupation to
Liberation, 1940-1944
Peter Mangold
288 PAGES 234 X 156MM APRIL 2011
9781848854314 HARDBACK �18.99


CHURCHILL AND COMPANY
Rivals and Alliances in
War and Peace
David Dilks
University of Leeds
288 PAGES 234 X 156MM ILLUSTRATED MAY 2011
9781848857186 HARDBACK �20.00


A. Capet

Jonathan Sandys

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Aug 22, 2010, 1:02:36 PM8/22/10
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I'm not really sure what your answer means and would be grateful if
you could explain.

I received the question from a young lady when I was speaking at an
event some months ago and I was not quite sure how to respond except
to defend the Churchill Centre and the work you guys are doing.
Please could I know specifically what the Churchill Centre is doing to
encourage interest in the next generation. Thank you.

On Aug 21, 9:47 pm, Laurence Geller <LGel...@strategichotels.com>
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Jonathan Sandys

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Aug 22, 2010, 1:04:51 PM8/22/10
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Please could you explain why the subject of this original discussion
has changed?

Antoine Capet

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Aug 22, 2010, 3:45:08 PM8/22/10
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Dear Mr Sandys,

Indeed, the list of books has nothing to do _prima facie_ with your
questioning of the Centre's work - and it was not meant to have any. People
better qualified than me can answer you on the Centre's work - though they
might choose not to, considering the tone you are adopting.*

Indirectly, however, the memory of your great-grandfather's achievements can
best be kept by works (in the realm of books) which discuss his time and his
action during that time in a scholarly fashion - which I believe will be the
case in all four.

In case you were confusing my IB Tauris message with that on Robert Hardy
and the young : I also believe that good works on television and the cinema
are ideal to arouse interest in historic figures like your great-grandfather
in a generation which was brought up on these media, as opposed to books.

Best wishes,

A. Capet

*People of my generation (i.e. "old" people) were brought up on a principle
which would no doubt make many laugh today : "Respect your elders and
betters".
You obviously believe that you great name makes you number among the
"betters" - but please do not forget the other part of the phrase. Please
also meditate the odium that your great-uncle Randolph generated by not
respecting either. It would be disastrous for you if you followed his
arrogant path.

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Stan A. Orchard

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Aug 22, 2010, 4:14:00 PM8/22/10
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I can't check the details right at this moment, but all this discussion
about the younger generation brings to mind a story about a child who
allegedly confronted Churchill in the garden at Chartwell and asked
something like, "Are you the greatest Englishman?", to which Churchill
replied, "Yes I am. Now bugger off."

Stan

san...@churchillsbritainfoundation.org

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Aug 22, 2010, 4:50:11 PM8/22/10
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Antoine,

I'm sorry. It was not my intention to offend.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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EvanQ

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Aug 22, 2010, 5:03:34 PM8/22/10
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This sort of ties in with recent posts about a music video which incorporated Churchill's words, and the OMG, WWII IS ON FACEBOOK webpage.  Perhaps we need some 20-somethings as consultants on the best forms of media with which to connect to a younger generation.  I know that my own 20-somethings would be much more likely to watch a Churchill speech on YouTube than to read that speech.  Maybe the Churchill Centre could set up a Twitter account for "Winston Churchill" and send out tweets with his actual words?

I'm not trying to trivialize this discussion, or reaching the next generation, but it's kind of like that old joke about the mule and the 2 by 4.  You have to get their attention first, in whatever form that is, before you can teach them about Churchill.  

Evan

(By the way, I wasn't really serious about the Twitter idea, because he didn't write or speak or think in only 140 characters.)




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Subject: [ChurchillChat] The Next Generation...

I would like to ask what the Churchill Centre is doing to encourage
the growth of both knowledge and membership for the next generation so
that we can ensure that the lessons of Winston Churchill are not
forgotten?

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Chris Dunford

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<This sort of ties in with recent posts about a music video which incorporated Churchill's words, and the OMG, WWII IS ON FACEBOOK webpage>

That Facebook page, by the way, was VERY clever, and very funny. I don't remember who posted it, but I really got a kick out of it.


Jonathan Sandys

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Aug 22, 2010, 5:29:45 PM8/22/10
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I would like to apologise to the group. On reflection, my tone has
been offensive. I would sincerely like to know what the Churchill
Centre is doing to encourage the interest for youth in Churchill, so I
am able to answer the question. Thank you. Jonathan Sandys

Dan Myers

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Aug 22, 2010, 5:55:28 PM8/22/10
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Actually, Chris, the Centre has a Twitter account with 348 followers at present.

We also have just created a young person's committee to help advise the Board on ways to connect with young members and potential members.

Best,

Dan Myers

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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:03:34 -0400
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Marcus Frost

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You go Craig! Even Rod Blogoyavich referencened Churchill  today.
 
Marcus
 
P.S. I'm sure I spelled the name wrong but you know what I mean.

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Laurence Geller

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Craig sums up everything well. However it is only a fraction of the endless hard, years of labour, volounteerism, philanthropy and personal self sacrifice needed as part of the work to keep awareness of the twentieth century's greatest man appropraitely high.
To be a Churchilian is hard earned and isn't easy but it is indeed an honour.
I am proud to serve with the many member and donors who give so much of themselves in every way, who study the multi faceted life of Churchill and who carry the banner with pride, selflessness and no craven intent. All in an effort to steadfastly bring awareness of this man's great life.
To be a Churchillian is to earn it in every way. Let's us all earn it, every day.

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Marcus Frost

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Well said Laurence.
 
Marcus

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Laurence Geller

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You are a great Churchillian, Mr. Frost. You have worked so hard and earned that title.

John Mather

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Dear Craig and Laurence,

You have indeed captured the substance and the essence of what so many of us have worked hard to accomplish over these many years. It is a passion and and definite commitment to sustain the effort and interest.

Thank you to both of you and the others like Marcus, Richard, Judy, David, Paul, Randy, and so the list might go onto include the many others over the years who have given so much of their time and energy, as well as all of the No 10 Club & the Churchill Center Associates who have contributed their resources to achieve tangible results.

John

John H. Mather MD CIP FACPE
President, UNI-CORN LLC



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You are a great Churchillian, Mr. Frost. You have worked so hard and earned that title.


On 8/22/10 7:40 PM, "Marcus Frost" <mfros...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well said Laurence.
 
Marcus

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From: Laurence Geller <LGe...@strategichotels.com>
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To: "church...@googlegroups.com" <church...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 7:12 PM

Craig sums up everything well. However it is only a fraction of the endless hard, years of labour, volounteerism, philanthropy and personal self sacrifice needed as part of the work to keep awareness of the twentieth century's greatest man appropriately high.

To be a Churchilian is hard earned and isn't easy but it is indeed an honour.
I am proud to serve with the many members and donors who give so much of themselves in every way, who study the multi faceted life of Churchill and who carry the banner with pride, selflessness and no craven intent. All in an effort to steadfastly bring awareness of this man's great life.

Winton Churchill

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Hi,

I co-authored a book for college students regarding
WSC's leadership strategies in 2008.

It is not a scholarly book by any means. Just the opposite...
it was written to engage and stimulate college students to better
understand both leadership and WSC.

It has 26 compelling quotations, funny "artwork" and brief prose.
(I dare say this is part of the strategy for communicating with college
students.)

I am by no means a WSC scholar, but what I have studied that
struck me for this college audience were Winston's writings and
reflections as a young man and then his introspections in
his later years. That was really the "keel" of the book.

I am pleased to say that the book was the winner
in the USA Book News' National "Best Books Award” in their
Young Adult: Non-Fiction Category for 2008.

Many on this forum helped with proofing, editing and moral
support.

I also have a 45 minute talk that I have given at various college
campuses and have found the interest in and knowledge of
WSC deeper than I ever imagined.

The book is here at Amazon... but don't buy it:
http://budurl.com/WSCbook

I will send it to you free of charge if you have a sincere
interest in understanding at least one way that has been
somewhat effective in communicating a portion of the
multi-faceted WSC story to the younger generation.

Furthermore, I am open to sharing the presentation (PowerPoint)
that I give to high school and college students in the interest
(again) of demonstrating how one might communicate to the
younger generation.

Please contact off this board at my private email address:

win...@churchill.net

Thanks,

Winton Churchill

Laurence Geller

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You, Mr Mather have also given so generously of yourself for our passioo and our cause


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John Mather

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Dear Laurence,

Thank you. Good to be recognized as a surgeon with the "Mr", very British.

John

John H. Mather MD CIP FACPE
President, UNI-CORN LLC
Otolaryngologist
Tel: 240 353 6782


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You, Mr Mather have also given so generously of yourself for our passion and our cause

Laurence Geller

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You are the quintessential English Speaking Union


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John Mather

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Goodness gracious!!!!!

John H. Mather MD CIP FACPE
President, UNI-CORN LLC

Antoine Capet

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Aug 23, 2010, 5:50:08 AM8/23/10
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A quick Google search leads to :

Ramsden, John (1998). 'How Winston Churchill became 'the greatest living
Englishman'', Contemporary
British History, 12: 3, 1 - 40

More informally, at about this time [1954], he responded to a small boy who,
when
visiting Chartwell, managed to steal into the great man's room and pose the
question 'Are you the greatest man in the world?' with the words 'Yes, I am.
Now bugger off'. (50)
[page 8]


Note 50 has :
Will Yolen and K. S. Giniger, Heroes for our Times (Harrisburg, PA:
Stackpole, 1968), p.3.

Where Yolen & Giniger got the information, we are not told.


A.Capet

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> I can't check the details right at this moment, but all this discussion

Judson Alphin

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Aug 23, 2010, 2:13:45 AM8/23/10
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To all involved:

As a member of this 'younger generation' about which you speak (mid-20s), I would be pleased to partake in any long-term discussions over connecting young scholars and laymen alike to the spirit of Churchill. I am presently a student at Oxford, reading towards a graduate degree in history, with special emphasis on WSC, under the supervision of Prof Hew Strachan, Oxford's Professor of War, et al. 

Cordially,
Judson Alphin

Editor/Finest Hour

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On Aug 22, 4:14 pm, "Stan A. Orchard" <bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> I can't check the details right at this moment, but all this discussion
> about the younger generation brings to mind a story about a child who
> allegedly confronted Churchill in the garden at Chartwell and asked
> something like, "Are you the greatest Englishman?", to which Churchill
> replied, "Yes I am.  Now bugger off."

Stan, for your and the group's amusement...By the way, Lady Soames
later told me the boy was her son Nicholas, which identifies his dad
also.

House of Commons Churchill Dinner, 2 June 1990
Editor’s maiden (and only) speech; Finest Hour 67, 2nd Quarter 1990

I was honored to be asked to speak within these walls, something I
could have never have imagined. And I’m aware that such honors are
fleeting, remembering the time Churchill was shooting pheasants on the
estate of the old Duke of Westminster.

"How many did you shoot?" the Duke asked him.

"Four," he replied.

"Indeed," said the Duke, "then you've shot enough, and I will have
your carriage ordered for tomorrow morning."

So before my carriage is summoned.....(long report on Churchill
Society activities followed).....

I am always amazed at the numbers of young people who join us, who
have so soon come to know him either through his writings or by the
endless stories about him. One of these, only 18 years of age, told me
recently what first got him interested. (So many of these stories are
apocryphal; perhaps Lady Soames will tell us if it's true.)

A schoolboy at Chartwell, eluding all security, found himself in Sir
Winston's bedroom, the occupant propped up, riffling through the
morning papers and smoking an enormous cigar. "My dad says you're the
greatest man in the world," offered the boy. "Is it true?"

Sir Winston peered at him over his spectacles and said, "Of course—now
buzz off."

Now I am told that in fact he used a rather more earthy phrase than
that. But in deference to my surroundings I have done a little
editing.

P.S.: Lady Soames tells me it's true.

He certainly was the greatest man in the world for the longest time,
and his truth, in the words of the American hymn he loved, goes
marching on.

Anthony Calabrese

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I believe the "small boy" asking the question was Nick Soames, Churchill's grandson. 
 
 



 

Paul Courtenay

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Judson Alphin
 
I was very pleased to read what you have said.   If you would send me your address, I shall send you details about The Churchill Centre and let you have copies of recent issues of our quarterly journal, Finest Hour.
 
Paul Courtenay
The Churchill Centre - UK

Chris Dunford

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Aug 23, 2010, 10:19:44 AM8/23/10
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“Professor of War”?

 

What a refreshingly direct title.

 

I promise you that the position would be called something completely different—something much longer and entirely obfuscatory—here in the US.

 

Best,

Chris Dunford

 

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To all involved:

Antoine Capet

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Aug 23, 2010, 10:23:35 AM8/23/10
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Not quite “Professor of War".

See relevant Oxford University page:

Professor Hew Strachan
MA, PhD, FRSE, FRHistS, Hon D.Univ (Paisley)
Chichele Professor of the History of War

http://www.history.ox.ac.uk/staff/postholder/strachan_hfa.htm

A. Capet
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“Professor of War”?

Best,
Chris Dunford

To all involved:

Cordially,
Judson Alphin

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Chris Dunford

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Aug 23, 2010, 11:33:55 AM8/23/10
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Awww. I really liked "Professor of War".

Still, here it would be "Professor of the Anthropology of Armed Human Conflict" or something equally inane.

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> Capet
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:24 AM
> To: church...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: "Professor of War"?
>
> Not quite "Professor of War".
>
> See relevant Oxford University page:
>
> Professor Hew Strachan
> MA, PhD, FRSE, FRHistS, Hon D.Univ (Paisley)
> Chichele Professor of the History of War
>
> http://www.history.ox.ac.uk/staff/postholder/strachan_hfa.htm
>
> A. Capet
> =============
>
> From: Chris Dunford
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:19 PM
> To: church...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The Next Generation...
>
>
> "Professor of War"?
>
> What a refreshingly direct title.
>
> I promise you that the position would be called something completely

> different-something much longer and entirely obfuscatory-here in the US.
>
> Best,
> Chris Dunford

Bill Loytty

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One of the things that Mr. Craig Horn, the director of the Churchill Society
of North Carolina (http://www.churchillsocietyofnorthcarolina.org/) is doing
is holding an annual high school seminar for students in the Charlotte
Mecklenburg school system. I haven't spoken with Mr. Horn in a while, since
he's gotten himself elected to the NC House of Representatives, but I
believe they put the event on this year as well. Over the past couple of
years, I think this kind of outreach has really helped get the word out,
both on WSC in particular and the impact that one person can have on the
course of history.

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