JIRA

[Roelof Blom]

Hi,

I've contacted Atlassian about an open source license for JIRA. Also a very good product, IMHO, and very familiar to lots of people.

To save Henry lots of maintenance/admin work I applied for JIRA Studio, basically all of their tools in a hosted environment. It will take about 2 weeks to process the application.

-- Roelof.

[John Simons]

How about a YouTrack license from JetBrains?

On Jan 12, 9:37 am, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've contacted Atlassian about an open source license for JIRA. Also a very
> good product, IMHO, and very familiar to lots of people.
>
> To save Henry lots of maintenance/admin work I applied for JIRA

> Studio<http://www.atlassian.com/studio/>,

[Roelof Blom]

I've contacted them and they have not open source license for YouTrack.

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[John Simons]

That is weird, according to the YouTrack license (
http://www.jetbrains.com/youtrack/buy/license.html ), they do support
oss licenses.
And we should be able to qualify for an oss license.

Cheers
John

On Jan 12, 9:50 am, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've contacted them and they have not open source license for YouTrack.
>
> --  Roelof.
>

> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:
>
> > How about a YouTrack license from JetBrains?
>
> > On Jan 12, 9:37 am, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
>
> > > I've contacted Atlassian about an open source license for JIRA. Also a
> > very
> > > good product, IMHO, and very familiar to lots of people.
>
> > > To save Henry lots of maintenance/admin work I applied for JIRA
> > > Studio<http://www.atlassian.com/studio/>,
> > > basically all of their tools in a hosted environment. It will take about
> > 2
> > > weeks to process the application.
>
> > > -- Roelof.
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[Cristian Prieto]

That would be really great! :)

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[Roelof Blom]

Hi John,

Below is the response from Victoria Dumova, their program manager for OSS, it's pretty clear.

Cheers,

Roelof.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <victori...@jetbrains.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: YouTrack for Castle OSS project
To: Roelof Blom <roelo...@gmail.com>
Cc: Jana Charif <Jana....@jetbrains.com>, Ilia Dumov <Ilia....@jetbrains.com>

Hi Roelof,

 

I'm pleased to hear that you use and benefit from our products in your software development work!

 

Unfortunately, we do not have Open Source license program for YouTrack.

Best regards,

Victoria Dumova,

OS Support Program Manager

JetBrains, Inc

http://www.jetbrains.com

"Develop with pleasure"

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[Markus Zywitza]

So we're back at the beginning, having the same alternatives as before:
1) Castle Stronghold maintains Donjon again
2) Castle Stronghold open sources Donjon as Castle demo app and we maintain it.
3) We use JIRA instead.

-Markus

2010/1/12 Roelof Blom <roelo...@gmail.com>:

[Krzysztof Koźmic (2)]

Since Donjon has some serious issues at this point, I'd vote for JIRA
anyway.

On 12 Sty, 10:22, Markus Zywitza <markus.zywi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So we're back at the beginning, having the same alternatives as before:
> 1) Castle Stronghold maintains Donjon again
> 2) Castle Stronghold open sources Donjon as Castle demo app and we maintain it.
> 3) We use JIRA instead.
>
> -Markus
>

> 2010/1/12 Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com>:

>
> > Hi John,
> > Below is the response from Victoria Dumova, their program manager for OSS,
> > it's pretty clear.
> > Cheers,
> > Roelof.
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: <victoria.dum...@jetbrains.com>
> > Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: YouTrack for Castle OSS project
> > To: Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Jana Charif <Jana.Cha...@jetbrains.com>, Ilia Dumov
> > <Ilia.Du...@jetbrains.com>
>
> > Hi Roelof,
>
> > I'm pleased to hear that you use and benefit from our products in your
> > software development work!
>
> > Unfortunately, we do not have Open Source license program for YouTrack.
>
> > Best regards,
>
> > Victoria Dumova,
>
> > OS Support Program Manager
>
> > JetBrains, Inc
>
> >http://www.jetbrains.com
>
> > "Develop with pleasure"
>

> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:48 AM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au>

> > wrote:
>
> >> That is weird, according to the YouTrack license (

> >>http://www.jetbrains.com/youtrack/buy/license.html), they do support

[Roelof Blom]

Like Henry stated sometime ago the future for Donjon's development is very unclear.

The fact that JIRA is also much more mature, feature rich, in active development *and* is available on a hosted platform (this will save Castle Stronghold time and money) I think the decision between 'alternatives' is pretty easy.

Perhaps we should focus on how to get Donjon's data into JIRA:

http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Migrating+from+Other+Issue+Trackers

Cheers,

Roelof.

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[Krzysztof Koźmic (2)]

Does OSS license include hosting or we'd have to pay for that?

On 12 Sty, 10:54, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Like Henry stated sometime ago the future for Donjon's development is very
> unclear.
> The fact that JIRA is also much more mature, feature rich, in active
> development *and* is available on a hosted platform (this will save Castle
> Stronghold time and money) I think the decision between 'alternatives' is
> pretty easy.
>

> Perhaps we should focus on how to get Donjon's data into JIRA:http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Migrating+from+Other+Iss...
>
> <http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Migrating+from+Other+Iss...>
> Cheers,
> Roelof.
>
> 2010/1/12 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <krzysz...@kozmic.pl>

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[Roelof Blom]

According to the last two messages in this thread it is available for free to open source projects, if the project is deemed valuable for sponsoring. As one of the largest OSS projects in .NET I think we stand a pretty good chance. So let's just wait on their response.

-- Roelof.

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[Ken Egozi]

we do have another option - lighthouseapp has a free plan for OSS.

the API is great, and if we do consider github seriously, they both play very nicely together.

I've used lighthouseapp before on commercial projects and it was very useful.

2010/1/12 Roelof Blom <roelo...@gmail.com>

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[Krzysztof Koźmic (2)]

Ken,

lighthouseapp looks good at first sight.
and while you touched upon GitHub - what about its built-in issue
tracking system? Is it any good?

On 12 Sty, 11:20, Ken Egozi <egoz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> we do have another option - lighthouseapp has a free plan for OSS.
> the API is great, and if we do consider github seriously, they both play
> very nicely together.
>
> I've used lighthouseapp before on commercial projects and it was very
> useful.
>

> 2010/1/12 Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> > According to the last two messages in this thread<http://forums.atlassian.com/thread.jspa?threadID=30191&tstart=0>it is available for free to open source projects,
> > *if* the project is deemed valuable for sponsoring. As one of the largest

> > OSS projects in .NET I think we stand a pretty good chance. So let's just
> > wait on their response.
>
> > -- Roelof.
>

> > 2010/1/12 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <krzysz...@kozmic.pl>

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[John Simons]

+1 for JIRA

> > Ken Egozi.http://www.kenegozi.com/bloghttp://www.delver.comhttp://www.musicglue...הכנס הקהילתי הראשון למפתחי דוטנט - בואו בהמוניכם

[Ayende Rahien]

Forget about it, I am "using" it for NH Prof, and it is basically a todo list.

Even for my meager needs for tracking it is not working.

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[Ken Egozi]

back then it was *very* simplistic. the lighthouseapp system is much more feature rich, yet super simple to use.

instead of doing the whole SubProjects/Modules/Components thing, where users are always baffled with and end up opening tickets in the wrong places, it uses Tag based taxonomy, which is much easier to grasp and navigate.

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[John Simons]

Guys,

I've enquired about YouTrack not supporting OSS licenses and this is
what I got back from them:
"Hi John,

The point is that for the moment YouTrack uses commercial Berkley
database.
It's license agreement does not allow us to donate our product for
free.

We are working hard on our own DB, and as soon as we make and switch
to it,
we will definitely start OS license program for YouTrack. This should
happen
within a year.

Since we do want to keep supporting projects like yours, we can
currently
suggest you a big discount for YouTrack. The minimal sum that we can
offer
is $40 for the Professional Edition, and $100 for the Enterprise.
Please let
me know if this is interesting for you, and I will instruct you on how
to
proceed.

Hope for your understanding, and thank you for using our tools.

Best regards,

Victoria Dumova,
OS Support Program Manager
JetBrains, Inc"

I'm willing to donate $100 to Castle for an Enterprise version of
YouTrack.
So should I go ahead and purchase a license, what do u guys think?

Cheers
John

On Jan 12, 9:32 pm, Ken Egozi <egoz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> back then it was *very* simplistic. the lighthouseapp system is much more
> feature rich, yet super simple to use.
> instead of doing the whole SubProjects/Modules/Components thing, where users
> are always baffled with and end up opening tickets in the wrong places, it
> uses Tag based taxonomy, which is much easier to grasp and navigate.
>

> 2010/1/12 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <krzysz...@kozmic.pl>

> > > >> > > <castle-project-devel%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<castle-project-devel%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
> > <castle-project-devel%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<castle-project-devel%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>
> > > >> <castle-project-devel%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<castle-project-devel%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
> > <castle-project-devel%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<castle-project-devel%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>

> ...
>
> read more »

[Ayende Rahien]

+1 from me, and my company can donate that as well

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

+1 for YouTrack.

What about hosting it? Henry mentioned that Stronghold is rather reluctant to do it. Do we have any good alternative?

Krzysztof

[G. Richard Bellamy]

Both Ayende and I have offered. My guess is that Ayende would make for greater comfort, considering his longevity and commitment. I was offering an EC2 instance, as was he, I believe.

 

-rb

[Ken Egozi]

why are we dismissing lighthouse again?

it is free, including hosting, and it has 100% support for github integration (and we are looking at moving to github, which again will lower Stronghold's costs), it has a full API, useful and simple, for integrating anything else we might want (like donjon migration),  and it is a kick ass product.

[Roelof Blom]

Same reason we dismiss JIRA, people here like YouTrack better.

[Henry Conceição]

I was reluctant to install a new tool to serve as issue tracker. Imho,
a hosted solution is much simpler (from the maintenance standpoint). I
can install YouTrack or whatever tool you guys pick on our server
without problemas.

Btw, it's a waste to buy a license for a issue tracker for castle
imho. We can get a Jira license for free, or even a hosted version for
free... I just don't see a reason to someone spend one huindred bucks
on it. But anyway, people are free to spend their money on whatever
they want.

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

2010/1/15 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzyszto...@gmail.com>:

[John Simons]

I don't see it as a waste of money, I actually see it as an investment
into the Castle Project future.
I'm willing to spend the money because I've never been disappointed
with any of JetBrains products, and I think the work they've done on
YouTrack is very innovative and that makes it a really nice product to
use on daily basis.

In regards to the license, what name do I use ? "Castle Project" ?

Cheers
John

On Jan 15, 11:01 pm, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was reluctant to install a new tool to serve as issue tracker. Imho,
> a hosted solution is much simpler (from the maintenance standpoint). I
> can install YouTrack or whatever tool you guys pick on our server
> without problemas.
>
> Btw, it's a waste to buy a license for a issue tracker for castle
> imho. We can get a Jira license for free, or even a hosted version for
> free... I just don't see a reason to someone spend one huindred bucks
> on it. But anyway, people are free to spend their money on whatever
> they want.
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Conceição
>

> 2010/1/15 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@gmail.com>:

>
> > +1 for YouTrack.
>
> > What about hosting it? Henry mentioned that Stronghold is rather reluctant
> > to do it. Do we have any good alternative?
>
> > Krzysztof
>
> > On 2010-01-15 06:25, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > +1 from me, and my company can donate that as well
>

> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:49 AM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au>

> ...
>
> read more »

[Roelof Blom]

+1

[Roelof Blom]

It's only a couple of days before we should have Atlassian's reply to the JIRA Studio request, I thinks it's sensible to wait on that and then compare our options.

[John Simons]

Ok, we wait a couple of days.
If the JIRA solution is hosted by Atlassian, what about domain, would
we still be able to use Castleproject.org?

Cheers
John

On Jan 16, 8:03 pm, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's only a couple of days before we should have Atlassian's reply to the
> JIRA Studio request, I thinks it's sensible to wait on that and then compare
> our options.
>

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
>

[John Simons]

Any news on this?

[Roelof Blom]

Hi,

Our application has been approved, just 20 minutes ago.

I will create an account and then they handle it from there, creating our instance at http://castle.jira.com After that it's up to us!

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[Krzysztof Koźmic]

fantastic!

Can we bind that to our domain?
jira.castleproject.org?

[Roelof Blom]

I've asked them that just a couple of minutes ago :-)

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[John Simons]

Did we get approval for the Studio license or just JIRA?
I'm asking because you only mentioned one url, http://castle.jira.com
are we also getting http://castle.confluence.com, http://castle.subversion.com,
.... ?

Cheers
John

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> I've asked them that just a couple of minutes ago :-)
>

> 2010/1/23 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@gmail.com>

>
> >  fantastic!
>
> > Can we bind that to our domain?
> > jira.castleproject.org?
>
> > On 2010-01-23 20:43, Roelof Blom wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > Our application has been approved, just 20 minutes ago.
>
> > I will create an account and then they handle it from there, creating our

> > instance athttp://castle.jira.comAfter that it's up to us!
>
> > -- Roelof.

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[Roelof Blom]

JIRA studio, everything is hosted under *.jira.com

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[John Simons]

Cool, so when is it going to be accessible?
So this means we don't need to update our confluence site, right?

On Jan 25, 7:54 am, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> JIRA studio, everything is hosted under *.jira.com
>

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:50 PM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:
>
> > Did we get approval for the Studio license or just JIRA?
> > I'm asking because you only mentioned one url,http://castle.jira.com

> > are we also gettinghttp://castle.confluence.com,

> >http://castle.subversion.com,
> > .... ?
>
> > Cheers
> > John
>
> > On Jan 24, 6:53 am, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I've asked them that just a couple of minutes ago :-)
>
> > > 2010/1/23 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@gmail.com>
>
> > > >  fantastic!
>
> > > > Can we bind that to our domain?
> > > > jira.castleproject.org?
>
> > > > On 2010-01-23 20:43, Roelof Blom wrote:
>
> > > > Hi,
>
> > > > Our application has been approved, just 20 minutes ago.
>
> > > > I will create an account and then they handle it from there, creating
> > our

> > > > instance athttp://castle.jira.comAfterthat it's up to us!

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[Roelof Blom]

No idea when it's going to accessible, they did not communicate this.

AFAIK Confluence is part of JIRA Studio, so we don't need to update it.

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[Roelof Blom]

http://castle.jira.com/ is up.

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[Roelof Blom]

I've received confirmation from Michael Knighten, Atlassian's director of hosted services, we can make it accessible at our own url:

'I would recommend that you use that URL for now, while you get everything set up and tested, then once you are happy with it, we'd be happy to support using your own url - please just file a support ticket at support.atlassian.com when you are ready to have the new URL in place.'

-- Roelof.

2010/1/23 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzyszto...@gmail.com>

[Jonathon Rossi]

Looks good. What are we going to do now to get our data across?

2010/1/26 Roelof Blom <roelo...@gmail.com>

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[Roelof Blom]

It's up to Stronghold to either do this, or provide a way to access Donjon's data.

-- Roelof.

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[Jonathon Rossi]

From the JIRA side, it has a complete API for creating things, so we just need someone to write an app to import the data from a db dump.

http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/JIRA+RPC+Services

[Henry Conceição]

I can send a db backup for who will be insterested to do it. Also
there is an app to import data from jira, maybe it can provide some
insight of how to map one model to another.

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

[Jonathon Rossi]

I could do it, but I won't have time to look at it until the weekend.

It looks like the CSV approach is probably the easiest:
http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/tour/data-importer.jsp

2010/1/26 Henry Conceição <henry.c...@gmail.com>

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[Jonathon Rossi]

No one else is interested :)

Henry, could I get a copy of the donjon database.

--
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[Henry Conceição]

For sure. I'll make a backup and send it to you.

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

[John Simons]

Jono,

With the migration happening soon, should we all create accounts in
the new Jira that match the same account(email address) of Donjon, so
that when you do the migration everything comes across?

Cheers
John

On Feb 1, 12:46 pm, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For sure. I'll make a backup and send it to you.
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Conceição
>

> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Jonathon Rossi <j...@jonorossi.com> wrote:
> > No one else is interested :)
>
> > Henry, could I get a copy of the donjon database.
>

> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Jonathon Rossi <j...@jonorossi.com> wrote:
>
> >> I could do it, but I won't have time to look at it until the weekend.
>
> >> It looks like the CSV approach is probably the easiest:
> >>http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/tour/data-importer.jsp
>

> >> 2010/1/26 Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com>

>
> >>> I can send a db backup for who will be insterested to do it. Also
> >>> there is an app to import data from jira, maybe it can provide some
> >>> insight of how to map one model to another.
>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Henry Conceição
>

> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com>

> >>> wrote:
> >>> > It's up to Stronghold to either do this, or provide a way to access
> >>> > Donjon's
> >>> > data.
>
> >>> > -- Roelof.
>

> >>> > 2010/1/26 Jonathon Rossi <j...@jonorossi.com>

>
> >>> >> Looks good. What are we going to do now to get our data across?
>

> >>> >> 2010/1/26 Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com>

>
> >>> >>> I've received confirmation from Michael Knighten, Atlassian's
> >>> >>> director of
> >>> >>> hosted services, we can make it accessible at our own url:
>
> >>> >>> 'I would recommend that you use that URL for now, while you get
> >>> >>> everything set up and tested, then once you are happy with it, we'd
> >>> >>> be happy
> >>> >>> to support using your own url - please just file a support ticket at
> >>> >>> support.atlassian.com when you are ready to have the new URL in
> >>> >>> place.'
>
> >>> >>> -- Roelof.
>

> >>> >>> 2010/1/23 Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@gmail.com>

>
> >>> >>>> fantastic!
>
> >>> >>>> Can we bind that to our domain?
> >>> >>>> jira.castleproject.org?
>
> >>> >>>> On 2010-01-23 20:43, Roelof Blom wrote:
>
> >>> >>>> Hi,
>
> >>> >>>> Our application has been approved, just 20 minutes ago.
>
> >>> >>>> I will create an account and then they handle it from there,
> >>> >>>> creating

> >>> >>>> our instance athttp://castle.jira.comAfter that it's up to us!

[Jonathon Rossi]

No need. The users will have to be migrated because not everyone is going to recreate their account.

[John Simons]

Jono, How is the migration going? Do u need any help?

On Feb 1, 6:57 pm, Jonathon Rossi <j...@jonorossi.com> wrote:
> No need. The users will have to be migrated because not everyone is going to
> recreate their account.
>

> > > >>> >>>> our instance athttp://castle.jira.comAfterthat it's up to us!

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[Jonathon Rossi]

Henry is going to provide me with the donjon data access layer to make the migration easier.

I'll be sure to let everyone know when things are ready to take a look at to ensure nothing has been missed.

I haven't forgotten or anything like that, however we will need to use donjon for a few more weeks.

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[Markus Zywitza]

Aside from that, can we also begin migrating the docs?

2010/2/7 Jonathon Rossi <jo...@jonorossi.com>:

[Krzysztof Koźmic]

+1 from me.
I started moving some docs for IoC from current static pages to the
using wiki. It should be quite easy to move them to the new version of
Confluence.
However there's still one issue we should be wary of - links.

IIRC Roelof wrote we can get new wiki under Castleproject.org domain.
Can we make it using.Castleproject.org and ensure all old links point to
the right location after we move, or at least can we set a redirect to
new location or search result based on the URL or something?

[John Simons]

Maybe I'm missing something but I thought the new wiki is going to replace our current default web site ( www.castleproject.org ) and the using site, wasn't this the plan?

Cheers John

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[Jonathon Rossi]

But we can't replace the current web site yet, I assume is the reason?

This is one nice example of customising confluence that I saw the other day:
http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Home

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[Alex Henderson]

Theme builder is pretty good for quickly putting those kinds of layouts together in confluence:

https://www.adaptavist.com/display/ADAPTAVIST/Builder

I do a bit of confluence/Jira work for clients as well.. so happy to help with building a theme from scratch if the out of box experience isn't quite up to scratch.

Cheers,

 - Alex

2010/2/9 Jonathon Rossi <jo...@jonorossi.com>

[John Simons]

I know, but can we call it www2 or something like that?
So the url would be www2.castleproject.org.

On Feb 9, 8:28 am, Jonathon Rossi <j...@jonorossi.com> wrote:
> But we can't replace the current web site yet, I assume is the reason?
>
> This is one nice example of customising confluence that I saw the other day:http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Home
>

> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:05 AM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Maybe I'm missing something but I thought the new wiki is going to replace

> > our current default web site (www.castleproject.org) and the using site,

> > wasn't this the plan?
>
> > Cheers John
>

> > On 09/02/2010, at 4:16, Krzysztof Koźmic <krzysztof.koz...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > +1 from me.
> > I started moving some docs for IoC from current static pages to the using
> > wiki. It should be quite easy to move them to the new version of Confluence.
> > However there's still one issue we should be wary of - links.
>
> > IIRC Roelof wrote we can get new wiki under Castleproject.org domain.
> > Can we make it using.Castleproject.org and ensure all old links point to
> > the right location after we move, or at least can we set a redirect to new
> > location or search result based on the URL or something?
>
> > On 2010-02-07 11:32, Markus Zywitza wrote:
> > Aside from that, can we also begin migrating the docs?
>
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[Jonathon Rossi]

That sounds worthwhile, we have to work out how to do that with JIRA studio since it has all the other tabs.

Roelof, I assume Atlassian need to set this up for us.

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[Roelof Blom]

I guess so, just issue a support request on http://castle.jira.com/secure/admin/jira/JiraSupportRequest!default.jspa

[John Simons]

Roelof,

Happy to issue a support request but, I believe we have to do some
work too, right?
Don't we need to update our own dns to redirect to the new ip address,
Henry is this the right way?

Cheers
John

On Feb 9, 7:58 pm, Roelof Blom <roelof.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess so, just issue a support request onhttp://castle.jira.com/secure/admin/jira/JiraSupportRequest!default.jspa

>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Jonathon Rossi <j...@jonorossi.com> wrote:
> > That sounds worthwhile, we have to work out how to do that with JIRA studio
> > since it has all the other tabs.
>
> > Roelof, I assume Atlassian need to set this up for us.
>

> >> <castle-project-devel%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<castle-project-devel%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>

>
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[John Simons]

Also, re support request, do I just type it in? What I'm trying to say
is, am I one of the authorised people that can submit requests to get
stuff done?

Cheers
John

[Henry Conceição]

Afaik, yes. When it's done, I just have to create a cname pointing the
using subdomain to the new address.

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

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[John Simons]

Actually, I think what we want is a new cname called "www2" :), is
that ok ?

On Feb 12, 8:38 am, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Afaik, yes. When it's done, I just have to create a cname pointing the
> using subdomain to the new address.
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Conceição
>

[John Simons]

Support request submitted, now we wait.
Btw, in case we can't get to it after the change, the ip address for
castle.jira.com is 207.223.255.31, I assume this is a static ip?

Cheers
John

[Henry Conceição]

Why www2?

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

[John Simons]

I was looking at the castle.jira.com website and I think what we
actually want is:
http://castle.jira.com/wiki/ -> http://www2.castleproject.org
http://castle.jira.com/ -> http://support.castleproject.org (should
we call it support2 for the meantime?)

Is this right?
Also, does anyone know if it is possible to configure it this way?

Cheers
John

[John Simons]

Because we are migrating http://using.castleproject.org +
http://www.castleproject.org into one single website.
And we want that website to be the www eventually.

Cheers
John

On Feb 12, 8:54 am, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why www2?
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Conceição
>

[Henry Conceição]

Oh, didn't realize that we are gonna to move the main website to a
confluence instance too.

And the new site will be something like the mongodb website?

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

[John Simons]

Sorry Henry, I thought everyone was on the same page!
Yes, we are going to end up with a website that hosts, www and issues.

And the reason for www2 is to make the redesign + migration easier.

Cheers
John

On Feb 12, 9:13 am, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, didn't realize that we are gonna to move the main website to a
> confluence instance too.
>
> And the new site will be something like the mongodb website?
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Conceição
>

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:00 PM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Because we are migratinghttp://using.castleproject.org+
> >http://www.castleproject.orginto one single website.

[Henry Conceição]

Got it. I should have missed some messages.

And do you really think that move the main web site to a wiki is a
good ideia? Do you think that we'll be able to fight the entropy of a
wiki and maintain a well organized site in a long term run?

That was the main failure reason on our last attempt to run the main
site using a wiki. This and the lack of offline support.

And btw, imho mongodb site doesn't fit as a model/inspiration for us.
We have to deal with multiple main projects, support projects,
contrib, etc and mongodb not.

Cheers,
Henry Conceição

[John Simons]

Henry,

Yes, I do think a well organised and structured wiki is a good idea.

Re offline support: http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Offline+Confluence+Access

> We have to deal with multiple main projects, support projects,
> contrib, etc and mongodb not.

We already started to configure different projects, see
http://castle.jira.com/wiki/display/AR/Home
and contrib can be just another project.

Cheers
John

On Feb 12, 9:39 am, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Got it. I should have missed some messages.
>
> And do you really think that move the main web site to a wiki is a
> good ideia? Do you think that we'll be able to fight the entropy of a
> wiki and maintain a well organized site in a long term run?
>
> That was the main failure reason on our last attempt to run the main
> site using a wiki. This and the lack of offline support.
>
> And btw, imho mongodb site doesn't fit as a model/inspiration for us.
> We have to deal with multiple main projects, support projects,
> contrib, etc and mongodb not.
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Conceição
>

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:24 PM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Sorry Henry, I thought everyone was on the same page!
> > Yes, we are going to end up with a website that hosts, www and issues.
>
> > And the reason for www2 is to make the redesign + migration easier.
>
> > Cheers
> > John
>
> > On Feb 12, 9:13 am, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Oh, didn't realize that we are gonna to move the main website to a
> >> confluence instance too.
>
> >> And the new site will be something like the mongodb website?
>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Henry Conceição
>
> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:00 PM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> > Because we are migratinghttp://using.castleproject.org+

> >> >http://www.castleproject.orgintoone single website.

[Henry Conceição]

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:08 PM, John Simons <johnsi...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Henry,
>
> Yes, I do think a well organised and structured wiki is a good idea.
>
> Re offline support: http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Offline+Confluence+Access

Cool.

>
>> We have to deal with multiple main projects, support projects,
>> contrib, etc and mongodb not.
>
> We already started to configure different projects, see
> http://castle.jira.com/wiki/display/AR/Home
> and contrib can be just another project.

I'm pretty sure that confluence supports multiple projects.

My concern is how can we ensure that all the projects share a good and
standard navigation model and doesn't became something like we have on
using.castleproject ([1]) today?

[1] - http://using.castleproject.org/display/MR/Home vs
http://using.castleproject.org/display/AR/Home

[John Simons]

> My concern is how can we ensure that all the projects share a good and
> standard navigation model and doesn't became something like we have on
> using.castleproject ([1]) today?

Very good question :)
I and Krzysztof have previously spoke about the idea of having a
project leader allocated to maintain the website, this would be a new
position, thoughts?

Cheers
John

On Feb 12, 10:30 am, Henry Conceição <henry.concei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Inlines

>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:08 PM, John Simons <johnsimons...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Henry,
>
> > Yes, I do think a well organised and structured wiki is a good idea.
>
> > Re offline support:http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Offline+Confluence+Access
>
> Cool.
>
>
>
> >> We have to deal with multiple main projects, support projects,
> >> contrib, etc and mongodb not.
>
> > We already started to configure different projects, see
> >http://castle.jira.com/wiki/display/AR/Home
> > and contrib can be just another project.
>
> I'm pretty sure that confluence supports multiple projects.
>
> My concern is how can we ensure that all the projects share a good and
> standard navigation model and doesn't became something like we have on
> using.castleproject ([1]) today?
>

> [1] -http://using.castleproject.org/display/MR/Homevshttp://using.castleproject.org/display/AR/Home

> >> >> >http://www.castleproject.orgintoonesingle website.

> ...
>
> read more »

[John Simons]

Also, I remember a while ago, there was a thread about a graphic
designer redesigning the website for us, any news on this?

> > [1] -http://using.castleproject.org/display/MR/Homevshttp://using.castlepr...

> ...
>
> read more »