[cai-asia] Re: [cai-asia] Re: [cai-asia] Re: [cai-asia] Delhi should abandon its ‘failed BRT’ model: panel

[Sudhir]

Dear Madhav,

Can you help us with some good statistics on Pune BRTS? It is generating quite an interest.

best
Sudhir

PS : Do you know about the Sarkar Report on Delhi Brts? we are trying to get that but are not successful.

2008/12/20 Narayan Iyer <narayan_...@yahoo.com>

Dear all, I agree with Don that we must see the full report and the numbers, if any contained in the report of the Parliamentary committee.   Pune is another city that is committed to introducing BRT. Luckily for us, as per the local newspaper reports today, the Municipal Commissioner has confirmed that they will continue to proceed with the BRT programme despite the recommendation of the Parliamentary Committee. He mentioned that, though there have been some problems, the BRT routes already introduced have shown an increase in the utilization of buses, up to 98%, and has also an increase in the average speed. Can someone from the Pune BRT authorities give the actual figures, "before" and "after" BRT, for the benefit of the CAI-Asia members?   Narayan Iyer   --- On Wed, 12/17/08, tspcdon <tsp...@sltnet.lk> wrote: From: tspcdon <tsp...@sltnet.lk> Subject: [cai-asia] Re: [cai-asia] Delhi should abandon its 'failed BRT' model: panel To: "Clean Air Initiative -- Asia" <cai-...@lists.worldbank.org> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 4:14 PM Dear Cia Aisa, Thanks for the note. But, Prof, Sarkar report not facually supported with numbers. It looks like just telling something from out of mouth. Therefore, We wish to read the full report in order to understand the corrct picture. It nee passenger Km. befor BRT and after BRT. Accidents, jouerney time survey result if they have done.. Kind Regards, Don S. Jayaweera ----- Original Message ----- From: Sudhir <sud...@cai-asia.org> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:25 pm Subject: [cai-asia] Delhi should abandon its 'failed BRT' model: panel To: Clean Air Initiative -- Asia <cai-...@lists.worldbank.org> > Dear All, > ** > Do you know about this Committee Report? please read the shaded > section with > 'interest". > > ** > *Delhi should abandon its 'failed BRT' model: panel* > ** > http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/delhi-should-abandon-its- > failed-brt-model-panel/399389/ > > Indian Express - > ** > *New Delhi* The Parliamentary Standing Committee on urban > transport said on > Tuesday that despite the "potential benefits of BRTS", the Bus > Rapid Transit > System BRTS has been a failure in the Capital. > > The Standing Committee report says that in view of the city's > experience,the Delhi government should "abandon the other five BRT > corridors as > approved earlier". Instead, the government should strengthen the > Delhi Metro > rail service with a strong feeder bus network, covering all bus > networks in > the city, the expert panel suggests. > > The Standing Committee report says, "If the mass transportation is > improvedintegrating MRTS (Mass Rapid Transit System) and feeder > bus service with > high reliability, good frequency of service and easy accessibility, > personalised vehicle users will no doubt switch over to public > transportsystem." Such a switchover among car-users, the report > says, has been seen > in New York, Toronto and London, "where the public transport > system is very > predominant". > > The Standing Committee observation came in the light of a report > submittedby School of Planning and Architecture head Prof P K > Sarkar, who has > highlighted a number of "loopholes" in the Delhi model of BRT. In his > observations, Prof Sarkar has pointed out that one of the major > failures of > this transport model in Delhi has been to take away seven metres > of road > width from the already inadequate right of way of the road. > > According to the expert's observations, even before the BRT system was > implemented, the road, divided into six lanes, experienced very heavy > traffic volume for most part of the day. The stretch needed to be > widened to > handle that traffic volume even before the BRT idea was > implemented, the > report says. But instead of adding width, two lanes were taken out > of the > corridor, the report points out. > > According to the committee, the passenger carrying capacity of the > BRT model > in Bogota (Colombia) is higher due to more road space given to > cars. But in > Delhi, "even movement of pedestrian traffic across the BRT > corridor is not > well planned". 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[sanjeev kumar lohia]

Dear All,

the media reports are unfortunately totally away from the real report of the parliamentary committee which as the line Ministry we have received recently. Whatever has been quoted in the press is portion of the verbatim statement of one of the expert's views on Delhi BRT which have been reproduced in the report in inverted commas. These are not at all the views or recommendations of the parliamentary committee.   All experts' views would depend upon their own understanding of the subject and exposure as well as the experience. Nobody can claim to be expert on all the things and hence the understanding of some issues can be skewed also sometimes of even the "experts". Many times we donot know what we donot know and hence may make inappropriate assumptions / statements.

The parliamentary committee has recommended regarding BRTS as under:-

"Bus Rapid transit Systems (BRTS):

BRTS which entails dedicated lanes for high capacity buses, is a crucial mode providing smooth and affordable transport facility to the public.  Considering its low cost, case of implementation, wide area coverage, flexibility and overall sustainability, this system should be encouraged.  However, the Committee have been informed by the expert that its merits notwithstanding, this concept should be cautiously and selectively applied in cities and that there are certain basic parameters and prerequisites necessary to make this system successful.  In line with the advice of NUTP, the Committee would like to believe that factors such as the urban form, terrain, level of demand, direction and extent of sprawl, width of road available, extent of population density have been taken into consideration in BRTS projects.  From the material furnished by the Ministry, the Committee understand that apart from Delhi, BRTS projects in 8 other cities have been approved.  The Committee hope that before implementing these BRTS projects, a thorough scientific feasibility study of each respective city has been taken up in the light of the above-mentioned parameters with due incorporation of public opinion as well.  In the backdrop of the criticism of BRTS project in Delhi, the Committee expect that utmost care would be taken in the implementation of these projects."

As can be seen clearly from the above recommendations that the Committee has neither given any recommendations regarding scrapping of BRTS in Delhi nor have given any comments regarding BRTS being failure in Delhi.  The Committee has only advised taking utmost care in the implementation of these projects in the backdrop of the criticism of BRTS project in Delhi.  It may be worth noting that the first line of recommendation of the committee clearly identifies that BRTS is a crucial mode for providing smooth and affordable transport facility  to the public and that this system should be encouraged. 

With regards,

 

Sanjeev Kumar Lohia

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[Carlosfelipe Pardo]

Hi,

A very thorough evaluation on BRT systems is the one that Darío Hidalgo
has developed with the World Bank (I think it's currently being updated
to 14 cities). A great and very detailed report was available on the
World Bank website but somehow I can't find it (just the link to the
presentation in http://go.worldbank.org/IPBSANUQW0 ).

Best regards,

Carlosfelipe Pardo
Coordinador de Proyecto- Project Coordinator
GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC)
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Cornie Huizenga wrote:
> Dear Don,
>
> I agree that it would be good to see the full report including the
> indicators you mentioned. If someone comes across the report please
> post it on CAI-Asia listserv. Also if people are aware of other
> evaluation reports of BRTs in other cities please post as well.
>
> best regards,
> Cornie

>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM, tspcdon <tsp...@sltnet.lk
> <mailto:tsp...@sltnet.lk>> wrote:
>
> Dear Cia Aisa,
>
> Thanks for the note. But, Prof, Sarkar report not facually
> supported with numbers. It looks like just telling something from
> out of mouth. Therefore, We wish to read the full report in order
> to understand the corrct picture. It nee passenger Km. befor BRT
> and after BRT. Accidents, jouerney time survey result if they have
> done..
>

> Kind Regards,Hi

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