Intense DNB method for rapid results
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UOchris1
May 12, 2011, 10:38:54 PM5/12/11
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This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the body squat position with
outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
You should look like this during the session:
http://www.formerfatguyblog.com/weight-loss/exercise/body-weight-squat.jpg
If you can focus under stress of burning legs and arms, you will focus
with ease in everyday situations. The overall effect is the steeling
both body and mind.
Cheers,
UO
are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the body squat position with
outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
You should look like this during the session:
http://www.formerfatguyblog.com/weight-loss/exercise/body-weight-squat.jpg
If you can focus under stress of burning legs and arms, you will focus
with ease in everyday situations. The overall effect is the steeling
both body and mind.
Cheers,
UO
Ian
May 12, 2011, 11:07:21 PM5/12/11
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This doesn't do anything except help relieve constipation.
Mike L.
May 12, 2011, 11:26:27 PM5/12/11
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Hahahaha, I'm not sure which is funnier, the original comment or this
reply. In any case I think if you've hit a plateau do what's worked
for me and just go to the next level. You'll bomb, but my theory is
that the brain doesn't advance to the next level until it's gained a
necessity to do so. Some people just don't push themselves hard
enough to get above 80 percent right via deliberate effort and their
minds only get worked far enough to just stay above the threshold.
Increasing the N back simply necessitates that the practitioner
actively works the mind to that level so that it doesn't fall an N
level.
reply. In any case I think if you've hit a plateau do what's worked
for me and just go to the next level. You'll bomb, but my theory is
that the brain doesn't advance to the next level until it's gained a
necessity to do so. Some people just don't push themselves hard
enough to get above 80 percent right via deliberate effort and their
minds only get worked far enough to just stay above the threshold.
Increasing the N back simply necessitates that the practitioner
actively works the mind to that level so that it doesn't fall an N
level.
UOchris1
May 13, 2011, 12:31:11 PM5/13/11
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haha. Yeah well once you really understand the principle of training
it makes more sense why it works or even why to do it. Its part of the
reason U.S. world memory champion Ron White trains underwater or why
Blake Griffin trains with Frank Matrisciano. Even watch the little
kids training to be shaolin warriors.
Shaolin training at 6mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKE5rM1IH_4&feature=related
Article about Griffin training with Matrisciano
http://www.7x7.com/travel-active/trainer-frank-matrisciano-draws-nbas-rising-stars-san-francisco
Like I said its not for everyone. But try it until you can get to
your previous best score. Then relax and sit on the chair and see how
much easier it is to go beyond your previous score. People are not
inherently lazy
and incapable of pushing themselves--we all benefit from learning to
push and overcome.
> > This doesn't do anything except help relieve constipation.- Hide quoted text -
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it makes more sense why it works or even why to do it. Its part of the
reason U.S. world memory champion Ron White trains underwater or why
Blake Griffin trains with Frank Matrisciano. Even watch the little
kids training to be shaolin warriors.
Shaolin training at 6mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKE5rM1IH_4&feature=related
Article about Griffin training with Matrisciano
http://www.7x7.com/travel-active/trainer-frank-matrisciano-draws-nbas-rising-stars-san-francisco
Like I said its not for everyone. But try it until you can get to
your previous best score. Then relax and sit on the chair and see how
much easier it is to go beyond your previous score. People are not
inherently lazy
and incapable of pushing themselves--we all benefit from learning to
push and overcome.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Pontus Granström
May 13, 2011, 1:12:24 PM5/13/11
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Why are not the master Shaolin walking around saying A-B-A-B-A-A? Seems like they are lacking n-backing in their regime! ;)
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PadawanRay
May 13, 2011, 9:59:54 PM5/13/11
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Incorporating physical stress in a mental training regime is a very
good idea indeed. This is vaguely similar to Harry Kahne's Multiple
Mentalism concept but instead replacing another mental process with a
physical/motor-control which stresses the body.
On May 13, 10:38 am, UOchris1 <socrate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
> are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
> quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the body squat position with
> outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
> You should look like this during the session:http://www.formerfatguyblog.com/weight-loss/exercise/body-weight-squa...
good idea indeed. This is vaguely similar to Harry Kahne's Multiple
Mentalism concept but instead replacing another mental process with a
physical/motor-control which stresses the body.
On May 13, 10:38 am, UOchris1 <socrate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
> are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
> quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the body squat position with
> outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
Mike L.
Jun 1, 2011, 3:34:26 PM6/1/11
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Hey Chris, I remember a while back you were talking about your
involvement in multiple mentality training. Did that end up bearing
any fruit? What was the result from training with that?
On May 12, 10:38 pm, UOchris1 <socrate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
> are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
> quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the body squat position with
> outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
> You should look like this during the session:http://www.formerfatguyblog.com/weight-loss/exercise/body-weight-squa...
involvement in multiple mentality training. Did that end up bearing
any fruit? What was the result from training with that?
On May 12, 10:38 pm, UOchris1 <socrate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
> are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
> quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the body squat position with
> outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
The.Fourth.Deviation.
Jun 2, 2011, 2:53:59 AM6/2/11
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This is similar to the "brain yoga" technique that gained some
attention. It is a squat while crossng the arms at the chest and
grabbing the ears with the opposing hand. apparently it causes better
communication between brain hemispheres. interesting idea to do it
during Nback.
attention. It is a squat while crossng the arms at the chest and
grabbing the ears with the opposing hand. apparently it causes better
communication between brain hemispheres. interesting idea to do it
during Nback.
Jelani Sims
Jun 2, 2011, 5:39:33 AM6/2/11
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You can't do brain yoga and Dnb at the same time. Did you actually think of how it would work before you suggested it?
Colin Dickerman
Jun 2, 2011, 7:59:39 AM6/2/11
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You use your big toes. Lol
On Jun 2, 2:39 am, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't do brain yoga and Dnb at the same time. Did you actually think of
> how it would work before you suggested it?
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:53 AM, The.Fourth.Deviation. <davidsky...@gmail.com
On Jun 2, 2:39 am, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't do brain yoga and Dnb at the same time. Did you actually think of
> how it would work before you suggested it?
>
The.Fourth.Deviation.
Jun 2, 2011, 11:15:52 AM6/2/11
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To answer your question, yes. Who said pressing A and L on your
keyboard is what makes DNB work?
On Jun 2, 4:39 am, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't do brain yoga and Dnb at the same time. Did you actually think of
> how it would work before you suggested it?
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:53 AM, The.Fourth.Deviation. <davidsky...@gmail.com
keyboard is what makes DNB work?
On Jun 2, 4:39 am, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't do brain yoga and Dnb at the same time. Did you actually think of
> how it would work before you suggested it?
>
Jelani Sims
Jun 2, 2011, 8:24:55 PM6/2/11
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So tell me. How would you go about DNB, without using your hands?
The.Fourth.Deviation.
Jun 2, 2011, 8:38:47 PM6/2/11
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You can't be that daft; answer the question I asked in the previous
post and you'll be on the way to your answer.
post and you'll be on the way to your answer.
Jelani Sims
Jun 2, 2011, 10:24:42 PM6/2/11
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And the wheel goes round and round and round. You are an expert at dodging questions. You "Answered" my question with a question and i'm getting bored of this. Brain yoga requires you to hold your ears, look forward and squat. I don't see how you could possibly do this DURING dnb. Voice commands? Hand apparatus? Answer the question. How would YOU do this.
Jelani Sims
Jun 2, 2011, 10:50:02 PM6/2/11
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Btw don't take this as a personal attack. I'm just curious to know how you would go about this. I can think of a few ways it could be done, but truthfully the literature on brain yoga is slim, and I doubt the inclusion of brain yoga to DNB would increase its efficiency.
napoleon's_pidgin
Jun 2, 2011, 11:33:28 PM6/2/11
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Not to intrude on your argument but I believe the effect of DNB can be
obtained without inputting information (pressing A or L). Perform the
task mentally only and you only lose the feedback mechanism of the
program.
obtained without inputting information (pressing A or L). Perform the
task mentally only and you only lose the feedback mechanism of the
program.
Jelani Sims
Jun 2, 2011, 11:39:14 PM6/2/11
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That was my first thought. But at high levels you won't really know for sure you were correct. I've been playing DNB since this group started and i'm currently at 12 and tbh there is no way I would be able to just mentally process it. I barely maintain it as is, and like i said evidence for beneficial effects of brain yoga are almost entirely anecdotal. I rather not set myself back in DNB to try my hand at something that probably has a negligible result.
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The.Fourth.Deviation.
Jun 3, 2011, 5:34:33 PM6/3/11
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Napoleon, well done.
Not to mention that the original Nback training program did not even
show feedback until after the session was completed. Hence feedback is
not necessary for improvement.
@sims
D12B is the highest level I've heard of so far. Are there still any
benefits from training at this high a level? Is there a different in
your cognition from being at D8B???? Or did results begin to taper
after 7-8
Not to mention that the original Nback training program did not even
show feedback until after the session was completed. Hence feedback is
not necessary for improvement.
@sims
D12B is the highest level I've heard of so far. Are there still any
benefits from training at this high a level? Is there a different in
your cognition from being at D8B???? Or did results begin to taper
after 7-8
Jelani Sims
Jun 3, 2011, 8:25:37 PM6/3/11
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I've been doing DNB since the group started, I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary in terms of cognition. But I never took a before and after IQ test and I haven't really done anything that I found mentally difficult before. So it's very hard for me to gauge mental improvements with nothing for me to base it on. I also changed my diet, started mindfulness meditation and exercising around the same time I started DNB, in an overall attempt to delay brain decline. Making it even more difficult to attribute anything directly to DNB. What I can say is I have been stuck on 12 for 4 months now, each level was increasingly more difficult to pass and 12 seems to be some sort of temporary plateau.
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The.Fourth.Deviation.
Jun 3, 2011, 11:05:42 PM6/3/11
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Interesting, you should take an IQ test in that case.
On Jun 3, 7:25 pm, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been doing DNB since the group started, I haven't noticed anything out
> of the ordinary in terms of cognition. But I never took a before and after
> IQ test and I haven't really done anything that I found mentally difficult
> before. So it's very hard for me to gauge mental improvements with nothing
> for me to base it on. I also changed my diet, started mindfulness meditation
> and exercising around the same time I started DNB, in an overall attempt to
> delay brain decline. Making it even more difficult to attribute anything
> directly to DNB. What I can say is I have been stuck on 12 for 4 months now,
> each level was increasingly more difficult to pass and 12 seems to be some
> sort of temporary plateau.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, The.Fourth.Deviation. <davidsky...@gmail.com
On Jun 3, 7:25 pm, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been doing DNB since the group started, I haven't noticed anything out
> of the ordinary in terms of cognition. But I never took a before and after
> IQ test and I haven't really done anything that I found mentally difficult
> before. So it's very hard for me to gauge mental improvements with nothing
> for me to base it on. I also changed my diet, started mindfulness meditation
> and exercising around the same time I started DNB, in an overall attempt to
> delay brain decline. Making it even more difficult to attribute anything
> directly to DNB. What I can say is I have been stuck on 12 for 4 months now,
> each level was increasingly more difficult to pass and 12 seems to be some
> sort of temporary plateau.
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Napoleon, well done.
>
> > Not to mention that the original Nback training program did not even
> > show feedback until after the session was completed. Hence feedback is
> > not necessary for improvement.
>
> > @sims
> > D12B is the highest level I've heard of so far. Are there still any
> > benefits from training at this high a level? Is there a different in
> > your cognition from being at D8B???? Or did results begin to taper
> > after 7-8
>
> > On Jun 2, 10:33 pm, "napoleon's_pidgin" <bradford...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Not to intrude on your argument but I believe the effect of DNB can be
> > > obtained without inputting information (pressing A or L). Perform the
> > > task mentally only and you only lose the feedback mechanism of the
> > > program.
>
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>
> > wrote:
> > Napoleon, well done.
>
> > Not to mention that the original Nback training program did not even
> > show feedback until after the session was completed. Hence feedback is
> > not necessary for improvement.
>
> > @sims
> > D12B is the highest level I've heard of so far. Are there still any
> > benefits from training at this high a level? Is there a different in
> > your cognition from being at D8B???? Or did results begin to taper
> > after 7-8
>
> > On Jun 2, 10:33 pm, "napoleon's_pidgin" <bradford...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Not to intrude on your argument but I believe the effect of DNB can be
> > > obtained without inputting information (pressing A or L). Perform the
> > > task mentally only and you only lose the feedback mechanism of the
> > > program.
>
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likeprestige
Jun 6, 2011, 5:05:28 AM6/6/11
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I'm only on DNB - 7 atm. This is because I shook things up a bit by
changing the "letter" sounds to "piano" sounds as well as increasing
"lure trials" from 12.5% to 35%.
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Piano sounds - Musical training has demonstrated that it can increase
verbal WM and hearing to an extent by augmenting auditory
discrimination capabilities. Thus, I personally think that the
increase results from a perceptual (low-level cognitive ability -
discrimination of sounds) and maintenance (high-level cognitive
ability - e.g. rehearsal of sounds) perspective. Hence, using piano
sounds is likely to be more beneficial than most other sound
modalities in BW, particularly the default setting, "letters".
Lure trials - I chose to increase the "lure trials" (interference
settings - tricky stimulus generation) because research directed at
demonstrating a correlation between intelligence and the n-back task
generally revealed a stronger correlation as the lure trials increased
(e.g. those with higher intelligence scores scored higher than those
of lesser scores on higher "lure trial" settings).
----------------------------------
I recommend the implementation of both changes for those users that
are achieving high n-levels (6+) (Jelani Sims in particular = n-12,
come on now it's time to crank it up a notch or two), but beware, it
is quite tough (it's supposed to be anyway!).
On Jun 4, 10:25 am, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been doing DNB since the group started, I haven't noticed anything out
> of the ordinary in terms of cognition. But I never took a before and after
> IQ test and I haven't really done anything that I found mentally difficult
> before. So it's very hard for me to gauge mental improvements with nothing
> for me to base it on. I also changed my diet, started mindfulness meditation
> and exercising around the same time I started DNB, in an overall attempt to
> delay brain decline. Making it even more difficult to attribute anything
> directly to DNB. What I can say is I have been stuck on 12 for 4 months now,
> each level was increasingly more difficult to pass and 12 seems to be some
> sort of temporary plateau.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, The.Fourth.Deviation. <davidsky...@gmail.com
changing the "letter" sounds to "piano" sounds as well as increasing
"lure trials" from 12.5% to 35%.
----------------------------------
Piano sounds - Musical training has demonstrated that it can increase
verbal WM and hearing to an extent by augmenting auditory
discrimination capabilities. Thus, I personally think that the
increase results from a perceptual (low-level cognitive ability -
discrimination of sounds) and maintenance (high-level cognitive
ability - e.g. rehearsal of sounds) perspective. Hence, using piano
sounds is likely to be more beneficial than most other sound
modalities in BW, particularly the default setting, "letters".
Lure trials - I chose to increase the "lure trials" (interference
settings - tricky stimulus generation) because research directed at
demonstrating a correlation between intelligence and the n-back task
generally revealed a stronger correlation as the lure trials increased
(e.g. those with higher intelligence scores scored higher than those
of lesser scores on higher "lure trial" settings).
----------------------------------
I recommend the implementation of both changes for those users that
are achieving high n-levels (6+) (Jelani Sims in particular = n-12,
come on now it's time to crank it up a notch or two), but beware, it
is quite tough (it's supposed to be anyway!).
On Jun 4, 10:25 am, Jelani Sims <gouki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been doing DNB since the group started, I haven't noticed anything out
> of the ordinary in terms of cognition. But I never took a before and after
> IQ test and I haven't really done anything that I found mentally difficult
> before. So it's very hard for me to gauge mental improvements with nothing
> for me to base it on. I also changed my diet, started mindfulness meditation
> and exercising around the same time I started DNB, in an overall attempt to
> delay brain decline. Making it even more difficult to attribute anything
> directly to DNB. What I can say is I have been stuck on 12 for 4 months now,
> each level was increasingly more difficult to pass and 12 seems to be some
> sort of temporary plateau.
>
likeprestige
Jun 6, 2011, 6:01:56 AM6/6/11
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P.S - If anyone want me to provide a link to some studies that
reinforce what I've said above, let me know.
Cheers,
likeprestige
reinforce what I've said above, let me know.
Cheers,
likeprestige
genvirO
Jul 7, 2011, 1:42:17 AM7/7/11
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I've started using the computer standing up and subsequently, when I
play n-back; so far I've found it quite liberating.
I'm looking forward to the implementation of the following technology:
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Think... "Minority Report"
------------------------------------
Title: How to Hack Kinect (Officially)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8y4iMYxSI
http://chris.pirillo.com/how-to-control-your-windows-desktop-with-kinect/
On May 13, 12:38 pm, UOchris1 <socrate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
> are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
> quickly, the answer is simple--maintain the bodysquatposition with
play n-back; so far I've found it quite liberating.
I'm looking forward to the implementation of the following technology:
------------------------------------
Think... "Minority Report"
------------------------------------
Title: How to Hack Kinect (Officially)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8y4iMYxSI
http://chris.pirillo.com/how-to-control-your-windows-desktop-with-kinect/
On May 13, 12:38 pm, UOchris1 <socrate...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not for the weak of heart, but if you have hit a plateau and
> are looking to break through or want gains that will come much more
> outstreched arms (dont let them touch the desk) during each session.
> You should look like this during the session:http://www.formerfatguyblog.com/weight-loss/exercise/body-weight-squa...
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