The Democrats and Me
Anne Burton Harwell
have the perfect <scapegoat> on whom to blame this country's problems, and
I will run his lame name into the ground right here on Words-L with
diatribe after diatribe about how he messed each succeeding thing up. You
folks all better take a long affectionate look at your paychecks because I
guarantee you that in 12 months the witholding column will be bigger, and
the take-home part is gonna be smaller. In four years, after another
Carteresque disaster of an administration, maybe we will have learned our
lessons (yet again) and bring a Republican back into office. This morning
I'm looking at a world atlas and wondering how many American possessions
will have been raffled off by Clinton by the time we vote him out.
I just heard on CNN that Clinton received about as many votes as Dukakis
did, the difference being that Bush only got 3/5 of the number he received
previously. The Democrats didn't get any huge new mandate last night; the
Republicans collapsed and the Demos simply failed to lose any ground in
the face of a weak incumbent and a strong Independent challenge.
-abh
(Rashmi)
at the witholding column of my paycheck last Monday, and it's already large,
thank you. The Republicans can't accept the fact that the Dems beat them at
their own game - running a winning campaign. I don't have great expectations
of Clinton, but he doesn't give me the fan-tods, like Bush did!
Two things which make Clinton marginally more attractive than Bush:
a. He may bring some balance to the Supreme Court (I'm with Marty there).
b. I don't want to sound anti-the-old, the WW II generation were a great
bunch, but it's time to pass the torch. They have to do it sometime.
Bush sounded so tired (and relieved that it was over) yesterday.
See, nothing about economics, and all so very rational reasons. ;-)
Look at the bright side, at least, you'll have a wonderful scapegoat.
Looking forward to your diatribes,
rashmi, cynic-at-large
Jim Thomas
bwp writes:
> (diatribe on Clinton ignored)
The mandate was for change. Nearly 2/3s of the electorate clear said
they did not want Bush or the Republicans. Carter had it right--there
are problems to be addressed. Reagan and Bush had it wrong: They
provided poor (or no) leadership and even in the last days of the
campaign, Bush remained clueless and in denial mode. The special
interest groups that Bush accused Clinton of pandering to were merely
the vast majority of people who feel dildoed by the repubs.
No single administration can solve all problems, but after nearly
a quarter century of republican rule (carter was little more than a
care-taker prez), the country has slid backwards, the Supreme Court
(thanks to Bush) is the worst in this century, and Bush especially
played on social divisiveness. The message couldn't be clearer--reverse
Reagan/Bush policies.
Anne Burton Harwell
> Aw, quit griping, Anne. Your man had his chance and blew it. And I looked
Rashmi, sweetness, you haven't *seen* griping yet.
> Two things which make Clinton marginally more attractive than Bush:
> a. He may bring some balance to the Supreme Court (I'm with Marty there).
I'm with Marty too.
You forgot to mention his hair, which was much more attractive than
Bush's. I always thought he was gonna name his coif as running mate. Maybe
then he would have swung the undecideds.
-abh
tus...@math.uchicago.edu
This is the same person who makes accusations of being a pooh-bah
(whatever that means) at the drop of a hat. Just thought I'd mention
it.
tushar
(Rashmi)
> You forgot to mention his hair, which was much more attractive than
> Bush's.
Have to disagree with you, Anne. Bush's hair is much better than Clinton's;
but Perot beat them both. Also, Clinton needs to jog more - he's umm, chubby.
Doris Smith
Also, Clinton needs to jog more - he's umm, chubby.
> rashmi
Yes, he's not undersized at all.
Doris (who couldn't resist, but who is through with Chaucer for the year)
Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)
And getting chubbier as his lead widened, even though he'd been
taking the press with him on his jogs. Symbolic of the bloated
government we can look forward to? Foreshadowing a collapse while
jogging at Camp David. The snow is still on the ground here and the
snowcover is thick in the Dakotas... could be a cold winter for his
inauguration. I'm getting a nasty case of the deja vus all over
again.
Steve Karlson
karsten
> The special interest groups that Bush accused Clinton of pandering to
> were merely the vast majority of people who feel dildoed by the repubs.
So the general populace doesn't recognize a good time when it feels one?
--karsten
(was it lavender?)
karsten
> Yes, [Clinton's] not undersized at all.
Gennifer Flowers thinks so. According to Ms. Flowers, in the
December 1992 issue of Penthouse (p. 73): "He's got a small penis".
--karsten
(Now that this has been "reported" the NYT will undoubtedly cover the
story. Soon we'll have multicolored graphics in USA Today showing
that Clinton is our 27th largest president. God Bless America.)
Natalie Maynor
>
> Yes, he's not undersized at all.
I heard that he gained weight during the campaign. That struck me as odd.
I would have thought that weight loss would be more likely when living
under that kind of pressure with that kind of hectic daily schedule. I
wonder what he was eating.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Anne Haycock
>rashmi, List Evaluator of Candidates' Attractiveness
This is the same person who makes accusations of being a pooh-bah
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(whatever that means) at the drop of a hat. Just thought I'd mention
it.
I'm not quite sure I understand this...what is "makes accusations of being
<something>"...makes 'pretensions' of being s.t. I can see, but what does
it mean to make accusations of being s.t.? Or even, accusing someone of
being something (a pooh-bah...not necessarily a bad thing to my way of
thinking)...that would work...
Ponderingly,
//anne, grand pooh-bah a` la flintstones//
Ruth M. Hanschka
In a previous article, may...@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ("Natalie Maynor") says:
>
>I heard that he gained weight during the campaign. That struck me as odd.
>I would have thought that weight loss would be more likely when living
>under that kind of pressure with that kind of hectic daily schedule. I
>wonder what he was eating.
Bush supporters most likely!:-) Reagan Democrats' votes, and the occasional
baby, just for dessert.<grin> Just one more petty dig for the road - his
hair looks like straw, probably a result of too much blow-drying and too
many dye jobs.:-)
>
--
### Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead ###
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Where anything can happen, and it usually does
tus...@math.uchicago.edu
><something>"...makes 'pretensions' of being s.t. I can see, but what does
>it mean to make accusations of being s.t.? Or even, accusing someone of
>being something (a pooh-bah...not necessarily a bad thing to my way of
>thinking)...that would work...
Please have some consideration for non-natives' awkwardnessful sentences.
It's hardly important now, but I was trying to point out that afore-
mentioned Rashmi was accusing me of being a pooh-bah. However, I did not
want to draw attention to the fact that I was being accused, since that
was of only passing interest and far from being germane to the issue. As
I said earlier, please have considerations before making accusations.
tushar
(Rashmi)
> This is the same person who makes accusations of being a pooh-bah
> it.
>
You earned the appellation, Tushar, one that was awarded after observation
and careful consideration, not on a whim. Check the appropriate dictionary
for the meaning.
rashmi
Jim Thomas
>jth...@netsys.com (Jim Thomas) writes:
>> The special interest groups that Bush accused Clinton of pandering to
>> were merely the vast majority of people who feel dildoed by the repubs.
> ^^^^^^^
>
>So the general populace doesn't recognize a good time when it feels one?
Heh! A touching sentiment with a flourishing key stroke, but not everybody
shares such penetrating views. Especially when non-consensual.
Jim (taking himself in hand) Thomas
karsten
jth...@netsys.com (Jim Thomas) writes:
> Heh! A touching sentiment with a flourishing key stroke, but not everybody
> shares such penetrating views. Especially when non-consensual.
So you'll understand when I complain about being dildoed by Gore's buddies?
--karsten
(I can already feel the Dems' hands in my pants, but so far they're just
trying to find my wallet)
Dan Lester
>I heard that he gained weight during the campaign. That struck me as odd.
>I would have thought that weight loss would be more likely when living
>under that kind of pressure with that kind of hectic daily schedule. I
>wonder what he was eating.
Well, as one who eats under stress and strain, I can imagine that the
stresses of the campaign would encourage eating....and since most of us
have "comfort foods" that tend to be high in calories, sugar, fats, etc...
and since presumably candidates, like presidents can order whatever they
damn well feel like to eat....coolidge doesn't surprise me at all....or
taft.....
dan
Frank
>
>Well, as one who eats under stress and strain, I can imagine that the
>stresses of the campaign would encourage eating....and since most of us
>have "comfort foods" that tend to be high in calories, sugar, fats, etc...
>and since presumably candidates, like presidents can order whatever they
>damn well feel like to eat....coolidge doesn't surprise me at all....or
>taft.....
>
Um, just one thing, Dan. Coolidge was quite thin. In fact, he was
the one Alice Roosevelt said looked as though he had been "weaned on
a pickle." Taft was quite obese, probably the heaviest man ever to
occupy the Oval Office. Perhaps you mean Harding, who died of a
heart attack in office in, I believe, 1923. He may not have been
all that fat, but he had a terrible diet (so they say), and his
administration was shaken by numerous scandals that can not have
helped his health. I believe it was he who said, "My enemies I
can deal with. It's my friends, my g*d damned friends who are
killing me."
Frank
Natalie Maynor
me of something I had meant to ask or look up. I read that Clinton will
be the 3rd youngest President in U.S. history. JFK was the youngest,
wasn't he? That's not the question. I threw in the tag question because
I never trust my memory anymore. The question I wanted to ask is who was
the other President younger than Clinton.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Nancy Harwood
Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt?
ndh (and no, I didn't vote for him, Tushar)
Natalie Maynor
> > the other President younger than Clinton.
>
That sounds right. I realize I could look it up by reaching a few feet
above my computer and pulling down an almanac, but asking on the list seems
so much easier. Besides, I noticed in the latest usenet statistics that
I had dropped to something like #23 in the list of world-wide bandwidth
pigs.
Btw, it was allegedly while on a hunting trip in Mississippi that Teddy
Roosevelt got the name Teddy. Since our state has few claims to fame, I
thought I should throw that in.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
blomberg cepeda
untimely demise. JFK was 43, and was the youngest elected.
I believe his nickname was always Teddy, but wasn't it in Mississippi
that he saved the bear cub or whatever it was which gave rise to "Teddy Bear?"
b."I knew all this in 2nd grade, why can't I remember it now?"c.
Ruth M. Hanschka
In a previous article, may...@RA.MSSTATE.EDU ("Natalie Maynor") says:
Teddy Roosevelt was about 41 when he became President, or maybe a year or so
older. It think he was younger than JFK, although JFK was the youngest man
*elected* President.
Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)
him. I think he was younger than the Governor when he won the
election a couple of years later.
Steve Karlson
Did you know T.R. almost bought it in a collision of a buggy with
an interurban?
Blue eyes cryin' in the rain
>me of something I had meant to ask or look up. I read that Clinton will
>be the 3rd youngest President in U.S. history. JFK was the youngest,
>wasn't he? That's not the question. I threw in the tag question because
>I never trust my memory anymore. The question I wanted to ask is who was
>the other President younger than Clinton.
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Nancy is correct that Teddy Roosevelt is the other younger-than-Clinton
President. He was, in fact, our *youngest* President in history, only
42 when he was elevated from Vice President upon the death of McKinley
in 1901. Kennedy was the youngest to be *elected* President, age 43.
Oh, and Harding's death was attributed to food poisoning (bad fish in
San Francisco), though Frank's allusion to his 'friends' relates to the
supposition that it might have been somewhat less than accidental.
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-- Larry Andersen, relief pitcher
Frank
>
[quoting Natalie]
>>
>> This return to the discussion of Presidents and Presidents-elect reminds
>> me of something I had meant to ask or look up. I read that Clinton will
>> be the 3rd youngest President in U.S. history. JFK was the youngest,
>> wasn't he? That's not the question. I threw in the tag question because
>> I never trust my memory anymore. The question I wanted to ask is who was
>> the other President younger than Clinton.
>> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
>
Actually, you're both right in a sense. Theodore Roosevelt was the
youngest man ever to become President. That was upon the death of
William McKinley in 1901, when TR was a mere 42 years and some months
old. John Kennedy was the youngest man ever *elected* President, but
he was over 43 when he was sworn in. William Clinton, assuming he
makes it to his Inauguration, will be the third youngest President,
and the second youngest man elected to the office.
Frank
Blue eyes cryin' in the rain
>youngest man ever to become President. That was upon the death of
>William McKinley in 1901, when TR was a mere 42 years and some months
>old. John Kennedy was the youngest man ever *elected* President, but
>he was over 43 when he was sworn in. William Clinton, assuming he
>makes it to his Inauguration, will be the third youngest President,
>and the second youngest man elected to the office.
Trivially pedantic, I (sorta) disagree. Roosevelt was probably still
age 45 when he was re-elected in 1904. That *was* the first and only
time he was 'elected to the office,' putting him second behind JFK.
Entropy Warrior
>they did not want Bush or the Republicans.
Two thirds voted against Clinton as well, as I think any number of folk have
pointed out.
Clinton won 43% of the vote and 100% of the White House
-George Will
And the goodwill of 99% of the American people
-Cokie Roberts
Amen.
Now back to sharpening the long knives.
-K
-Mka
Mandate Shmandate
Natalie Maynor
> that he saved the bear cub or whatever it was which gave rise to "Teddy Bear?"
It had something to do with bear-hunting in Mississippi, I think.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
out of town and way behind in mail... will probably stay behind
between now and Sunday...
Joan Boorstein
>> William Clinton, assuming he
>> makes it to his Inauguration, will be the third youngest President,
>> and the second youngest man elected to the office.
In catching up on back mail -- not done yet -- this discussion of
11/23/63 and recent elections -- I had the following thought/question:
What happens if Clinton dies before his inauguration? Is Gore inaugurated
as President? Is there a constitutional provision for such?
Joan (jb...@cs.umb.edu)
Evelyn Duncan
the Vice-President-elect is sworn in as VP and then is sworn in as the
President (both of these on Jan. 20).
Evelyn
blomberg cepeda
>11/23/63 and recent elections -- I had the following thought/question:
>
>What happens if Clinton dies before his inauguration? Is Gore inaugurated
>as President? Is there a constitutional provision for such?
>
>Joan (jb...@cs.umb.edu)
If he dies before the electoral college meets, the electors are free to cast
votes for whomever they want. If it is AFTER the electoral college meets, then
Gore becomes president (though he may have to be sworn in as VP first, I have
no command of the niceties).
b.c.
p.s. Does anyone know anything about recessive accents? I mean, I actually post
a word-related question of WORDS, and it's ignored; one ironic comment on
complex East European languages and it's a tidal wive, but a question about
English (egawds!) and it's ... nothing.
Entropy Warrior
>votes for whomever they want. If it is AFTER the electoral college meets, then
>Gore becomes president (though he may have to be sworn in as VP first, I have
>no command of the niceties).
>
> b.c.
The electors are free to cast their votes for whomever anyway, I believe.
And in fact, Clinton is not yet even the President elect.
-K
-Mka
CROSEN%BGSU...@uga.cc.uga.edu
I believe the electors' actions are governed by state laws. In all states
except two (one of them being Maine), they are required to cast their ballots
for the winner of the state's popular vote. This little fact was repeated
far-too-many times during the election night coverage, owing to the
possibility that H. Ross might have picked up a vote in Maine's
northern regions.
Since state laws vary, I assume the actions of the electors could vary from
state to state in the event Clinton were to expire before they cast their
votes.
Marty
Ruth M. Hanschka
In a previous article, jb...@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU (Joan Boorstein) says:
>
>In catching up on back mail -- not done yet -- this discussion of
>11/23/63 and recent elections -- I had the following thought/question:
>
>What happens if Clinton dies before his inauguration? Is Gore inaugurated
>as President? Is there a constitutional provision for such?
>
Like the other replies said, Gore is sworn in first as VP, then as President,
both on January 20th. When it would get *really* interesting, IMHO, would
be if one of the main candidates died during the campaign.... I've always
wondered what would happen if say, the Republican candidate dropped dead
of a heart attack a month before the 1996 election.
Does anyone know what would happen then? I think it nearly happened once,
when Teddy Roosevelt was shot while campaigning on the Bull Moose ticket.
I'm not sure if that's when it happened; my book with all that stuff in it
is currently inaccessible.:-/
Graham Toal
Could you be more specific? 'How long is a piece of string?' (255 chars
or it overflows the length byte...)
G
ST40...@brownvm.brown.edu
>:p.s. Does anyone know anything about recessive accents ?
>
>Could you be more specific? 'How long is a piece of string?' (255 chars
>or it overflows the length byte...)
Say what? And I thought it was only Scottish *movies* I needed subtitles for.
b.c.
P.S. Judith showed me photos. You're so much younger than I had imagined.