Baetle and Apache Forrest

[SinDoc]

I'm newly assigned [1] to extend Apache Forrest [2] to support a few
RDF/XML formats. Baetle was proposed to be implemented first and Ross
Gardler and obviously other community members accepted the proposal.

Now, we're about to start the development, so any ideas could help us
better design the plugin.

Be seeing you,
SinDoc

[1] http://code.google.com/soc/asf/appinfo.html?csaid=34B9977F44E8EF86
[2] http://forrest.apache.org/

[Henry Story]

Hi,

this sounds very interesting, though it probably will be a little
more complicated than just copying what has been done in the other
xml formats. This is because RDF is very flexible and does not lend
itself well to XSLT or XQuery transforms, unless the RDF has been
crystalized of course [1].

But I am sure you know that. So this means that you will need to use
tools such as sesame [2] to read the rdf (unless you just wish to
output it).

What type of things will people write out in RDF? (I'd suggest N3 of
course) And what do you want to produce as a result?

Henry

[1] http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/crystalizing_rdf
[2] openrdf.org

[SinDoc]

On 5/31/07, Henry Story <henry...@gmail.com> wrote:

> this sounds very interesting, though it probably will be a little
> more complicated than just copying what has been done in the other
> xml formats. This is because RDF is very flexible and does not lend
> itself well to XSLT or XQuery transforms, unless the RDF has been
> crystalized of course [1].

Nice coinage! I'll try to use the term when appropriate. [1] also
reminded me of [3].

>
> But I am sure you know that. So this means that you will need to use
> tools such as sesame [2] to read the rdf (unless you just wish to
> output it).

To be pragmatic, we'll process RDF as XML but if there will be a need
for accessing RDF *graphs* in XSLT, we'll have to stick to an RDF
framework. So far, I've only worked with Norm's RDFTwig that relies on
Jena providing Saxon and Xalan extensions for accessing RDF graphs.
Nevertheless, these issues should be discussed in details with the
Forrest community.

>
> What type of things will people write out in RDF? (I'd suggest N3 of
> course) And what do you want to produce as a result?

Apache Forrest uses Jira [5] for bug tracking and I think of getting
Jira to export Baetle, so that we can process Baetle in Forrest. How's
it?

SinDoc
>
> Henry
>
>
> [1] http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/crystalizing_rdf
> [2] http://openrdf.org
[3] http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/10/30/rdf-friendly.html
[4] http://norman.walsh.name/2004/projects/rdftwig
[5] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR

>
> On 31 May 2007, at 07:37, SinDoc wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm newly assigned [1] to extend Apache Forrest [2] to support a few
> > RDF/XML formats. Baetle was proposed to be implemented first and Ross
> > Gardler and obviously other community members accepted the proposal.
> >
> > Now, we're about to start the development, so any ideas could help us
> > better design the plugin.
> >
> > Be seeing you,
> > SinDoc
> >
> > [1] http://code.google.com/soc/asf/appinfo.html?csaid=34B9977F44E8EF86
> > [2] http://forrest.apache.org/
>
>
> >
>

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[Henry Story]

On 1 Jun 2007, at 05:44, SinDoc wrote:

>>
>> But I am sure you know that. So this means that you will need to use
>> tools such as sesame [2] to read the rdf (unless you just wish to
>> output it).
>
> To be pragmatic, we'll process RDF as XML but if there will be a need
> for accessing RDF *graphs* in XSLT, we'll have to stick to an RDF
> framework. So far, I've only worked with Norm's RDFTwig that relies on
> Jena providing Saxon and Xalan extensions for accessing RDF graphs.
> Nevertheless, these issues should be discussed in details with the
> Forrest community.

Oh nice. I had not heard of RDFTwig yet.

>>
>> What type of things will people write out in RDF? (I'd suggest N3 of
>> course) And what do you want to produce as a result?
>
> Apache Forrest uses Jira [5] for bug tracking and I think of getting
> Jira to export Baetle, so that we can process Baetle in Forrest. How's
> it?

Well in the baetle repository you will find a map for the JIRA
database run by openrdf.org
That could give you an immediate tool to export all the JIRA bugs.
The ontology namespace is
not yet fixed, and there is still a lot of work to be done there, so
feedback and suggestions are
welcome.

I'd be interested to understand more of what it means to export to
Forrest.

Henry

[SinDoc]

The discussion on the namespace has already started in another thread,
so we'll continue that.

>
> I'd be interested to understand more of what it means to export to
> Forrest.

You mean, what purpose will the Baetle plugin serve in Forrest? Well,
I thought of a customizable Bug Dashboard that each project using
Forrest could have to present a summary of its bug database.

>
> Henry