P plate training ...not
alxr
It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots and
drive off...stereo blaring....
And with NO driving lights on..
Worse... I cannot recall one car being anything BUT a P PLATE driver.
So what do they teach in driving school these days ???
Clearly not lights on...maybe Oz Design rules need to be rejigged...lights
come on when stereo goes on.
bloody idiots...gawd knows what else is wrong with their driving...
David Z
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>I live across the road from a popular harbourside parking spot.
>
> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots and
> drive off...stereo blaring....
And? What's the problem?
Aido
I don't see any problem there, You'll hear them coming befor you'll see
there lights if they're on anyway.
Aido. :)>
alxr
You don't have P plates as well do you ?
"And with no lights on..." does that help?
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George W Frost
"alxr" <a.a@c.d> wrote in message
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>
> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots and
> drive off...stereo blaring....
>
> And with NO driving lights on..
What 's the problem with no driving lights on
you appear to be in a suburban surrounding and why does anyone need driving
lights on in the suburbs?
Driving lights on cars, especially Subarus and Holden utes need to have
their driving lights struipped off their cars,
the majority of the driving lights are misaligned so they dazzle and add
glare to oncoming drivers, which in law is ILLEGAL
you are not allowed to drive a vehicle which has headlights that create a
hazard to oncoming drivers
and dickhead idiot drivers of other cars which don't have driving lights
come as standard equipment or optional eqipment are going to Super Cheap and
getting "driving lights" installed so they can look as much of a dickhead as
their mates.
Some of these driving lights are actual spotlights, some are even larger
than the original headlights ( Subaru ) and when they are on as well as
headlights.....
I always thought that it was an Australian design rule that Australian
regisered cars, no matter which state you were in, bans any more than two
headlights on when facing oncoming traffic.
Pity that Shane and Spooky from the Highway patrol aren't in this newsgroup
any more, they could shed light on this subject
F Murtz
>
> --
> Mr H
What is this idiocy about headlights.
headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
Once some stats were kept. it was found that a very small effect was
seen untill more people did did it then it ceased to have an effect.
(same thing will happen if they mandate reversing beepers in cars)
The human mind tends to ignore things if they become commonplace
Hammo
On 6/2/07 12:41 AM, in article 45c7...@dnews.tpgi.com.au, "F Murtz"
<hag...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> Mr_H...@qnr.com.au wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:39:18 GMT, David Z wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "alxr" <a.a@c.d> wrote in message
>>> news:MFExh.3138$sd2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>>> I live across the road from a popular harbourside parking spot.
>>>>
>>>> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots and
>>>> drive off...stereo blaring....
>>>
>>> And? What's the problem?
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, Smidsys have to start somewhere, you know.
>>
>> --
>> Mr H
> What is this idiocy about headlights.
> headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
Do tell, how?
Hammo
Knobdoodle
"Hammo" <hbaj...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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(Is this a trick question?)
--
Clem
F Murtz
You get nothing for nothing
Knobdoodle
"F Murtz" <hag...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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and you get 110 watts for half a kilowatt or so!
--
Clem
Peter Cremasco
Well, Duh! Hammo. Lights use electrickery. Electrikery is drained from
the battery. The alternator needs to replace electrickery in the
battery. The extra work from the alternator uses up more fuel from the
engine to drive it.
How's THAT for logic?
---
Cheers
PeterC [aka MildThing]
'01 Yamaha FJR1300
Bill_h
Shane and Spooky shedding light on anything? must the wrong news
group.
>
>>
>> Worse... I cannot recall one car being anything BUT a P PLATE driver.
>>
>> So what do they teach in driving school these days ???
>>
>> Clearly not lights on...maybe Oz Design rules need to be rejigged...lights
>> come on when stereo goes on.
>>
>> bloody idiots...gawd knows what else is wrong with their driving...
>>
>>
>
Bill_h
BT Humble
> ...
> Some of these driving lights are actual spotlights, some are even larger
> than the original headlights ( Subaru ) and when they are on as well as
> headlights.....
In the city, you get doof-doof kiddies who show off their
individuality by putting wings, neon lights and oversized alloy wheels
on their cars so that they'll look just like their mates.
In the country, you get hillbilly kiddies who show off their
individuality by putting Caterpillar mudflaps, giant RM Williams
stickers, 10-foot CB radio antennas and half a dozen floodlights on
their utes...so that they'll look just like their mates.
BTH
Nev..
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:06:32 +1100, Hammo <hbaj...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/07 12:41 AM, in article 45c7...@dnews.tpgi.com.au, "F Murtz"
>> <hag...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> What is this idiocy about headlights.
>>> headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
>> Do tell, how?
>
> Well, Duh! Hammo. Lights use electrickery. Electrikery is drained from
> the battery. The alternator needs to replace electrickery in the
> battery. The extra work from the alternator uses up more fuel from the
> engine to drive it.
>
> How's THAT for logic?
My alternator keeps my battery at a full charge, which means it must be
providing more charge than I actually use, all the time, which means
that any charge required for accessories like lights and radio is being
produced all the time, regardless of whether or not I'm actually using
them, which means that no more fuel is required.
How's that for logic?
Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
alxr
P platers dont appear to follow a logical startup/checklist before driving
off.
Get 50 -100 metres down the road before "oh my gawd oh ma gawd i cant see"
"F Murtz" <hag...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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alxr
for other traffic who cannot see an oncoming car (turning from side
street...whatever..)
Apart from the driver cannot see the dashboard instruments...
perhaps they couldnt give a bugga about seeing what speed they drive at?
"George W Frost" <fro...@iceworks.org> wrote in message
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paulh
<FirstName...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:06:32 +1100, Hammo <hbaj...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>On 6/2/07 12:41 AM, in article 45c7...@dnews.tpgi.com.au, "F Murtz"
>><hag...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> What is this idiocy about headlights.
>>> headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
>>
>>Do tell, how?
>
>Well, Duh! Hammo. Lights use electrickery. Electrikery is drained from
>the battery. The alternator needs to replace electrickery in the
>battery. The extra work from the alternator uses up more fuel from the
>engine to drive it.
>
>How's THAT for logic?
>---
As Nev and others point out Bikes provide more than enough electricity
to keep themselves charged in normal use. Running a headlight doesnt
increase the load on the engine because the engine doesnt provide
electricity based on demand, it provides the same amount regardless of
load. Thus using a headlight uses power that would otherwise go
'wasted'.
paulh
Boxer
"paulh" <pa...@fahncahn.com> wrote in message
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Where does the electricity go when it is wasted?
Boxer
Mot Adv-NSW
"George W Frost"
> Some of these driving lights are actual spotlights, some are even larger
> than the original headlights ( Subaru ) and when they are on as well as
> headlights.....
George, you've been around long enough to know the lamps mounted below the
bumper of the Subaru's are complianced front fogs. In any case, from his
response, he mean't headlights at night.
> I always thought that it was an Australian design rule that Australian
> regisered cars, no matter which state you were in, bans any more than two
> headlights on when facing oncoming traffic.
Front fog lights are not headlights, and front fogs are only to be used
under 'hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility', nationally
end of 07 - and in WA and NSW now.
> Pity that Shane and Spooky from the Highway patrol aren't in this
> newsgroup any more, they could shed light on this subject
Shane has left HWP. Dunno why Spooky would stay with NSWPOL.
JP
Knobdoodle
regulators.
Still; we WERE talking cars and I don't think they generally do that do
they?
--
Clem
Knobdoodle
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It's small and black and when they're doing their job they put out a lovely
warm glow.
Look for the letters "r e g u l a t o r" on the casing.....
--
Clem
Boxer
"Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have a little Honda in the garage, although it will take some time to
learn how to lift the seat.
Boxer
(Going to Karuah Clem)
Mad-Biker
rate no matter how much power your draining!
"Peter Cremasco" <FirstName...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Mad-Biker
list.
tyres including valve cap tightness, air pressure, tread, check (apparently
if the valve caps arnt on, a tyre can suck in the valve stem and cause a
blow out under extreme highload according to instructors?!)
engine oils, fluids, check
Belt tension, Check
Battery Fluid, Check
Lights, blinkers, red and blue's, siren (providing you stuff it with a rag),
Check
External check of vehicle for damage.
Get in vehicle,
Seatbelts, position, check
Adjust mirrors check,
windows up, door locked for added safety in a roll over, check.
start motor, all warning lights off, check
put vehicle into neutral, check handbrake, check,
place in gear, slowly release foot break to double check handbreak, check,
take off ensuring the radio is low so you can hear any mechanical noises!
"alxr" <a.a@c.d> wrote in message
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Mad-Biker
faced with reduced visibility, rain, sleet, fog!
you can ban driving lights, you obviously live in the city area!
Apps for Cross Post to feed the trolls!
"George W Frost" <fro...@iceworks.org> wrote in message
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>
atec77
> you arnt allowed to have your driving lights on in a built up area unless
> faced with reduced visibility, rain, sleet, fog!
>
> you can ban driving lights, you obviously live in the city area!
>
> Apps for Cross Post to feed the trolls!
>
> "George W Frost" <fro...@iceworks.org> wrote in message
> news:p9Gxh.3188$sd2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "alxr" <a.a@c.d> wrote in message
>> news:MFExh.3138$sd2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> I live across the road from a popular harbourside parking spot.
>>>
>>> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots and
>>> drive off...stereo blaring....
>>>
>>> And with NO driving lights on..
>>
>> What 's the problem with no driving lights on
>> you appear to be in a suburban surrounding and why does anyone need
>> driving lights on in the suburbs?
to intent on dnouts or knocking off ?
Knobdoodle
--
Clem
(I'm not)
Boxer
>
> "Boxer" <som...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Boxer
>>
>> (Going to Karuah Clem?)
> Yeah; I've heard those words before.........
> --
> Clem
> (I'm not)
I will be going if I get there.
Boxer
Knobdoodle
"Mad-Biker" <mad-biker@westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote in message
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> much like air conditioning, the alternator still turns over at a constant
> rate no matter how much power your draining!
>
to engage and disengage the compressor from the pully!
Car alternators and older large-bike alternators use a brush to power the
electromagnetic rotor.
The more power into the rotor, the stronger the magnetism and therefore the
more power out. The downside is that they're more expensive to manufacture
and the brush wears out.
The new ones use permanent magnets so they run flat-out all the time. The
downside is they take more energy from the engine and turn all the unneeded
output into heat.
Older small-bike alternators generally just open-circuited one or two of the
three alternator phases thus having a crude three-step output which was fine
when you only needed power to run; not START the engine!
--
Clem
Knobdoodle
"Mad-Biker" <mad-biker@westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote:
> tyres including valve cap tightness, air pressure, tread, check
> (apparently if the valve caps arnt on, a tyre can suck in the valve stem
> and cause a blow out under extreme highload according to instructors?!)
[boggle] I've never hear THAT one!!
--
Clem
"If I don't answer you, it's because I believe my point has been made in the
current post or others on the subject or that the points of argument
presented are illogical." ..... Toosmoky
Theo Bekkers
> "Hammo" <hbaj...@aapt.net.au> wrote
>> Do tell, how?
> [crinkles brow] err; by providing extra load on the engine.....
> (Is this a trick question?)
It's a Hammo question. What do you think?
Theo
Also confused about getting 110 watts of light with no power input.
Theo Bekkers
> My alternator keeps my battery at a full charge, which means it must
> be providing more charge than I actually use, all the time, which
> means that any charge required for accessories like lights and radio
> is being produced all the time, regardless of whether or not I'm
> actually using them, which means that no more fuel is required.
>
> How's that for logic?
Terrible! Does that work for the air-conditioner as well?
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> Where does the electricity go when it is wasted?
Lies down in the gutter until partially sober and then staggers home?
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> "Mad-Biker" <mad-biker@westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote:
>> tyres including valve cap tightness, air pressure, tread, check
>> (apparently if the valve caps arnt on, a tyre can suck in the valve
>> stem and cause a blow out under extreme highload according to
>> instructors?!)
> ~
> [boggle] I've never hear THAT one!!
I think the centripetal force sucks it in to the centre.
Theo
New to me too.
Theo Bekkers
> "George W Frost"
>> Some of these driving lights are actual spotlights, some are even
>> larger than the original headlights ( Subaru ) and when they are on
>> as well as headlights.....
> Front fog lights are not headlights, and front fogs are only to be
> used under 'hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility',
> nationally end of 07 - and in WA and NSW now.
In WA, $200 fine if fog-lights on when no fog, $400 if on in conjunction
with headlights.
Enforcement - nil. Compliance - nil.
Theo
Theo Bekkers
> you arnt allowed to have your driving lights on in a built up area
> unless faced with reduced visibility, rain, sleet, fog!
You aren't (in WA) allowed to have your driving lights on in a built-up
area, period.
Theo
paulh
>>
>> As Nev and others point out Bikes provide more than enough electricity
>> to keep themselves charged in normal use. Running a headlight doesnt
>> increase the load on the engine because the engine doesnt provide
>> electricity based on demand, it provides the same amount regardless of
>> load. Thus using a headlight uses power that would otherwise go
>> 'wasted'.
>>
>> paulh
>
>Where does the electricity go when it is wasted?
It creates phlogiston...
paulh
paulh
<knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As Nev and others point out Bikes provide more than enough electricity
>> to keep themselves charged in normal use. Running a headlight doesnt
>> increase the load on the engine because the engine doesnt provide
>> electricity based on demand, it provides the same amount regardless of
>> load. Thus using a headlight uses power that would otherwise go
>> 'wasted'.
>>
>Yep; you're right (Nev). I forgot about modern "shunt-to-earth" bike
>regulators.
>Still; we WERE talking cars and I don't think they generally do that do
>they?
I don't have clue about how cars do it...
I thought the discussion had veered to a 'does Headlights On waste
petrol' discussion... or at least this part of it.
paulh
Nev..
Exactly the same if the air conditioner is an alternator. I know stuff
all about electrics, which is probably obvious.. but if the moving parts
of the alternator are in constant motion which is determined by the
crankshaft, and is producing a supply of electricity, and the current
produced is drawn on my the engine electrics, other electrics, whatever
is left is stored in the battery, and whatever is left over after that
disappears into void, and the load on the crank of the moving parts of
the alternator is constant, how does adding more load to the alternator
output increase the physical load on the crank and increase fuel
consumption?
Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
atec77
electrical energy more mechanical resistance to rotational force is
required .
Now do you understand ( the alternator is not a constant load)
Knobdoodle
"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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with one of those old hand-cranked telephones just try turning the handle
when you've got a short-circuit across the terminals and you'll see that
electrical load does very much create crank load.
--
Clem
Theo Bekkers
> Nev, it doesn't apply in this case but if you've ever get a chance to
> play with one of those old hand-cranked telephones just try turning
> the handle when you've got a short-circuit across the terminals and
> you'll see that electrical load does very much create crank load.
I've got one of those in the shed. Made in 189x. I've rewired it to ring the
bell locally.
The damn thing has a 'child-proof' feature. You have to hold down a button
on the top of the phone for the cranking to have a circuit.
Those bloody kids in 1900! Probably grew into responsible
G-G-G-Grandparents.
Theo
Dale Porter
By "driving lights", are you referring to high beams, or only additional lights fitted to improve visibility?
I know in some states (Tasmania being one of them) high beams are not allowed to be used in built up areas. However in Victoria high
beams are permitted anywhere to improve visibility, provided there is not a vehicle in front (heading in either direction) within
200 metres.
Reading through the regs and there's no mention of additional high-powred lights and their use, other than "fog lights".
--
Dale Porter
GPX250 -> CBR600 -> VTR1000 + VT250F-J
Theo Bekkers
> "Theo Bekkers" wrote
>> You aren't (in WA) allowed to have your driving lights on in a
>> built-up area, period.
> By "driving lights", are you referring to high beams, or only
> additional lights fitted to improve visibility?
> I know in some states (Tasmania being one of them) high beams are not
> allowed to be used in built up areas. However in Victoria high beams
> are permitted anywhere to improve visibility, provided there is not a
> vehicle in front (heading in either direction) within 200 metres.
High beams. Driivng lights are not allowed to be wired so that they can be
on except with high beam. So you can't have them on unless you are on high
beam.
Theo
jlit...@my-deja.com
FWIW I have *heard* of that issue but it's one of those "mate of a
mate" stories so I wouldn't call it proven, a friend who used to drag
race professionally in the 70's and 80's (in the US but he's an
Aussie, no not Bray :-) ) told me about that one quite a few years
ago, claimed to have had it happen to a drag car he built - can't
prove it either way though.
JL
jlit...@my-deja.com
> "alxr" <a...@c.d> wrote in message
> I always thought that it was an Australian design rule that Australian
> regisered cars, no matter which state you were in, bans any more than two
> headlights on when facing oncoming traffic.
It's not a design rule (how can you make a design rule about that ?)
it's a traffic law, and yes it used to be the case, no idea if it
still is - certainly no-one seems to get booked for it in Sydney.
> Pity that Shane and Spooky from the Highway patrol aren't in this newsgroup
> any more, they could shed light on this subject
No, I'm sorry, that's not even vaguely a pity, more like a cause for
celebration
JL
G-S
>
> My alternator keeps my battery at a full charge, which means it must be
> providing more charge than I actually use, all the time, which means
> that any charge required for accessories like lights and radio is being
> produced all the time, regardless of whether or not I'm actually using
> them, which means that no more fuel is required.
>
> How's that for logic?
>
fuel use varies partly according to alternator output" :)
G-S
G-S
> but if the moving parts
> of the alternator are in constant motion which is determined by the
The torque required to turn the shaft of the alternator is related to
the load of the current. So when more current is produced the harder
the engine works to turn the alternator.
G-S
G-S
> Running a headlight doesnt
> increase the load on the engine because the engine doesnt provide
> electricity based on demand, it provides the same amount regardless of
> load.
It produces electricity based on load demand (modified by the actual
battery capacity and storage and the generators 'size').
G-S
G-S
How very.... etheral of you...
G-S
G-S
> Car alternators and older large-bike alternators use a brush to power the
> electromagnetic rotor.
This is the 'standard' type of common alternator.
> The more power into the rotor, the stronger the magnetism and therefore the
> more power out. The downside is that they're more expensive to manufacture
> and the brush wears out.
Brushes are easy (and cheap) to change.
> The new ones use permanent magnets so they run flat-out all the time. The
> downside is they take more energy from the engine and turn all the unneeded
> output into heat.
>
Very sucky design too.
G-S
G-S
> driving with no headlights on at NIGHT is ...um...stoopid...and dangerous
> for other traffic who cannot see an oncoming car (turning from side
> street...whatever..)
>
Driving with no headlights on at NIGHT is stoopid... but the original
post clearly said 'driving of with no driving lights on'.
I seldom use my driving lights either (even when my headlights are on).
G-S
Knobdoodle
"G-S" <ge...@castbus.com.au> wrote in message
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affected by headlights, accessories, etc,.. so that's not something you have
any control over.
--
Clem
(on modern bikes)
Knobdoodle
aren't load-variable. (As far as I understand it)
--
Clem
Knobdoodle
> Knobdoodle wrote:
>> Car alternators and older large-bike alternators use a brush to power the
>> electromagnetic rotor.
>
> This is the 'standard' type of common alternator.
>
>> The more power into the rotor, the stronger the magnetism and therefore
>> the more power out. The downside is that they're more expensive to
>> manufacture and the brush wears out.
>
> Brushes are easy (and cheap) to change.
>
>
>> The new ones use permanent magnets so they run flat-out all the time.
>> The downside is they take more energy from the engine and turn all the
>> unneeded output into heat.
>>
> Very sucky design too.
>
past now.
We've traded "runs forever with just a regular adjustment/replacement" for
"runs faultlessly for 3000 hours then fails irretrievably"...
Oh well.....
--
Clem
Moike
straight at PI. Front tyre inexplicably deflated. No damage to tyre.
He's not someone whose word I doubt, and having seen him ride he's not
one who needs to make up stories.
Says the problem was fixed by replacing the valve.
Moike
Knobdoodle
"Moike" <bmwm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and
letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation
and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.)
--
Clem
Iain Chalmers
<45c80c97$0$25315$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote:
> if the moving parts
> of the alternator are in constant motion which is determined by the
> crankshaft, and is producing a supply of electricity, and the current
> produced is drawn on my the engine electrics, other electrics, whatever
> is left is stored in the battery, and whatever is left over after that
> disappears into void, and the load on the crank of the moving parts of
> the alternator is constant, how does adding more load to the alternator
> output increase the physical load on the crank and increase fuel
> consumption?
On the off chance that you _really_ want to know...
In your car, you've almost certainly got an alternator with the current
in the rotor windings controlled by the regulator - the regulator
detects how much electricity is actually being used at any time
(including whats required to charge that battery) by measuring the
voltage, and it adjusts the current in the rotor which changes the
strength of its magnetic field, which in turn changes the torque with
which it resists turning and hence changes the power consumption of the
alternator. The angular velocity is, as you point out, controlled
independently of the electrical requirements, but the torque is variable
and so the power output (and consumption) is variable. So you don't have
"left over" electricity "disappearing into the void" because you don't
have a constant load on the moving parts of the alternator. (think of it
as being like the difference in the engines output power at 5000rpm at
5% throttle compared to the power at 5000rpm at 100% throttle)
In your bike though, you probably have a permanent magnet alternator. In
these you do have the alternator generating power proportional to the
angular velocity, and you do in fact have "left over" electricity which
ends up generating heat in the regulator/rectifier - ask any VFR owner
about the cpu heatsink mod's they all do to their reg/rects... (It's
actually not always _quite_ as bad as that makes it sound, at least some
3 phase systems on some bikes will balance two phases against each other
to cut output by 66% when it's not needed so you don't end up with a
glowing red regulator whenever you ride around without your lights on -
my 99 Monster does this but the Monsters from a few years earlier only
ran two phase systems where this trick doesn't work...)
big
--
"Everything you love, everything meaningful with depth and history,
all passionate authentic experiences will be appropriated, mishandled,
watered down, cheapened, repackaged, marketed and sold to the people
you hate." Mr Jalopy quoting Hooptyrides (on jalopyjunktown.com)
Dale Porter
However Nev has oversimplified.
An alternator will only produce the required amount of amps needed to run the operating electrical systems in the car (charging,
lights, stereo, heater/air-con fan, etc) up to the output capacity of the alternator. As the amp demand increases, so does the load
on the alternator, which in turn puts an added load on the engine running the alternator.
So yes the battery will stay charged provided the power demands of the alternator are not exceeded, but that does not mean there is
constant load on the alternator up to it's production limit.
Iain Chalmers
"Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> OK; I can accept the logic of centrifugal force causing the centre of the
> valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and
> letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation
> and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.)
Whether it's a "real world" effect or not I don't know, but that's the
marketing spin Ducati use to hype up the 90 degree valve stems they use
on the 99* and 74* range...
Toosmoky
> Yeah it offends me also but just like points ignition it's a thing of the
> past now.
> We've traded "runs forever with just a regular adjustment/replacement" for
> "runs faultlessly for 3000 hours then fails irretrievably"...
If I ever buy another Evo-powered H-D the electronic ignition will be
the first thing to go in the bin, to be replaced immediately with a
points setup. (As it was on the old Softy.)
Pity there's no points setups for the twin-cams, as far as I know.
Points used to cost me $8 and a few minutes once a year to replace
(whether they needed it or not).
Idled better, ran smoother.
--
Toosmoky
Work to ride, Ride to Work...
http://toosmoky.d2.net.au
Knobdoodle
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the two-smokes!) but I've never looked at a points system and said "I can't
get this home".
--
Clem
Knobdoodle
"Iain Chalmers" <big...@mightymedia.com.au> wrote in message
news:bigiain-B2E2DA...@nasal.pacific.net.au...
> In article <O0Xxh.3553$sd...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK; I can accept the logic of centrifugal force causing the centre of the
>> valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and
>> letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation
>> and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.)
>
> Whether it's a "real world" effect or not I don't know, but that's the
> marketing spin Ducati use to hype up the 90 degree valve stems they use
> on the 99* and 74* range...
>
[alleged?] effect under braking or acceleration!
--
Clem
Knobdoodle
"Dale Porter" <dalea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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(dependent on revs) setups that bikes have these days.
--
Clem
Dale Porter
>> However Nev has oversimplified.
>>
>> An alternator will only produce the required amount of amps needed to run the operating electrical systems in the car (charging,
>> lights, stereo, heater/air-con fan, etc) up to the output capacity of the alternator. As the amp demand increases, so does the
>> load on the alternator, which in turn puts an added load on the engine running the alternator.
>>
>> So yes the battery will stay charged provided the power demands of the alternator are not exceeded, but that does not mean there
>> is constant load on the alternator up to it's production limit.
>>
> In a car yes; but I think Nev was talking about the horrible constant-output (dependent on revs) setups that bikes have these
> days.
> --
>
Do Superbudgies come with radios these days?
>Nev.. wrote:
>
> My alternator keeps my battery at a full charge, which means it must
> be providing more charge than I actually use, all the time, which
> means that any charge required for accessories like lights and radio
> is being produced all the time, regardless of whether or not I'm
> actually using them, which means that no more fuel is required.
Boxer
>>
> OK; I can accept the logic of centrifugal force causing the centre of the
> valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and
> letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation
> and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.)
> --
> Clem
So that's why the front end of your GS let go!
Boxer
Mad-Biker
turn over an alternator?
home made mini gen :-)
"Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mad-Biker
which deflated it during a rally once.
this is something i got told im going to have to check in my upcoming silver
driver aka highspeed pursuit licence.
i dono how true it is..
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Mad-Biker
including parkers.
which makes sence really because when your driving in fog, you turn them on
and your low beams, so the highbeams dont reflect off the fog blinding you!
"Theo Bekkers" <tbek...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
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Nev..
> I never heard of it before, although i did get dirt stuck into a tyre valve
> which deflated it during a rally once.
>
> this is something i got told im going to have to check in my upcoming silver
> driver aka highspeed pursuit licence.
That'll let you upgrade from the diesel Rodeo to the petrol model?
Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
atec77
> so can i put my 25cc 2 stroke whipper snipper motor on a pully system to
> turn over an alternator?
>
> home made mini gen :-)
the mains supply
Knobdoodle
"Mad-Biker" <mad-biker@westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote in message
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> so can i put my 25cc 2 stroke whipper snipper motor on a pully system to
> turn over an alternator?
>
> home made mini gen :-)
>
of the input.
Say you're burning 1000 watts energy in your internal combustion engine
you're maybe creating 500 watts of output power and 500 watts of heat and
noise.
The alternator then takes the 500 watts of energy and turns that into 200
watts of electrical power and the rest is turned into heat and (perhaps)
light.
So yes; your 25cc whippersnipper could probably run a 150 candle-power
lightbulb or similar.
--
Clem
(And make you warm)
Knobdoodle
"Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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--
Clem
Knobdoodle
> "Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> However Nev has oversimplified.
>>>
>>> An alternator will only produce the required amount of amps needed to
>>> run the operating electrical systems in the car (charging, lights,
>>> stereo, heater/air-con fan, etc) up to the output capacity of the
>>> alternator. As the amp demand increases, so does the load on the
>>> alternator, which in turn puts an added load on the engine running the
>>> alternator.
>>>
>>> So yes the battery will stay charged provided the power demands of the
>>> alternator are not exceeded, but that does not mean there is constant
>>> load on the alternator up to it's production limit.
>>>
>> In a car yes; but I think Nev was talking about the horrible
>> constant-output (dependent on revs) setups that bikes have these days.
>> --
>>
>
> Do Superbudgies come with radios these days?
>
Air-con too!
--
Clem
[sound of head being pulled in]
Knobdoodle
"Boxer" <som...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> OK; I can accept the logic of centrifugal force causing the centre of the
>> valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and
>> letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation
>> and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.)
>
>
--
Clem
Boxer
"GB" <gb0...@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> wrote in message
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> "Mad-Biker" <mad-biker@westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote in
> news:45c7e78c$0$1028$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.
> au:
>> much like air conditioning, the alternator still turns over at a
>> constant rate no matter how much power your draining!
>
> OK, do me a favour. Go out to the shed, fire up your car and let
> it idle. make a note of where the tacho needle is sitting. Now, turn
> the lights on, full christmas tree, high beams, the works. Make a
> note of where the tacho needle is sitting now.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> GB
800 revs.
each time.
Boxer
Dale Porter
> "Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in news:45c7b6dd$0$25336$5a62ac22@per-
> qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>> How's that for logic?
>
> issues with Nev? Maybe you're taking the piss, but on the off
> chance that you're not, you need to remind yourself that the
> laws of physics aren't just a good idea, they're the law.
>
>
>
In the words of Bugs Bunny....
"I know this defies the laws of physics, but I never studied law."
CrazyCam
> <Me> watches the P platers go through thecertified highspeed drivers check
> list.
<snip>
> windows up, door locked for added safety in a roll over, check.
I'd have thought that the doors being locked might be good if folk were
trying to pull occupants out of car, or, OTOH, bad... for the same reason.
Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with
the doors locked.
The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for
people to pull you out of the remains.
regards,
CrazyCam
CrazyCam
> In article <O0Xxh.3553$sd...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "Knobdoodle" <knobd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK; I can accept the logic of centrifugal force causing the centre of the
>> valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and
>> letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation
>> and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.)
>
> marketing spin Ducati use to hype up the 90 degree valve stems they use
> on the 99* and 74* range...
Bugga me! Being a simple lad, I thought they were just to make it
easier to get the end of the air hose connected. :-)
regards,
CrazyCam
G-S
Really :)
My Bandit doesn't have that type. My GSX1100G doesn't either. I'm not
sure about the Guzzi... but given the basic design age I'd be surprised...
G-S
G-S
>> paulh wrote:
>>> Running a headlight doesnt
>>> increase the load on the engine because the engine doesnt provide
>>> electricity based on demand, it provides the same amount regardless of
>>> load.
>> It produces electricity based on load demand (modified by the actual
>> battery capacity and storage and the generators 'size').
>>
> Alternators with brushes do but modern bikes use brushless alternators that
> aren't load-variable. (As far as I understand it)
And 2 of my 3 bikes (possibly all 3) don't have that type of alternator,
most vehicles don't have that type of alternator and my comments were
based on 'an alternator' *shrug*.
Not my fault if Honda cheap out *smile*
G-S
G-S
Well... it _is_ a BMW!
G-S
Dale Porter
>> windows up, door locked for added safety in a roll over, check.
>
> I'd have thought that the doors being locked might be good if folk were trying to pull occupants out of car, or, OTOH, bad... for
> the same reason.
>
> Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with the doors locked.
>
> The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for people to pull you out of the remains.
>
>
Interesting thought, although many times in crashes where significant damage to the vehicle occurs, the doors cannot be opened
anyway, regardless of whether the doors were locked or not.
Toosmoky
> Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with
> the doors locked.
>
> The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for
> people to pull you out of the remains.
Maybe once, but we have very big can-openers nowadays...
Burst-proof (-resistant might be a better term) door locks are now
ubiquitous and do not impede a properly equipped rescue team.
Then again modern cars such as BMWs are very hard to get into, even for
Road Accident Rescue teams because of materials tougher than our tools
and pyrotechnic devices but the flip side is that you'd have to be
trying very, very, very hard to get hurt in one...
--
Toosmoky
Work to ride, Ride to Work...
http://toosmoky.d2.net.au
CrazyCam
> CrazyCam wrote:
>
>> Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with
>> the doors locked.
>>
>> The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for
>> people to pull you out of the remains.
>
> Maybe once, but we have very big can-openers nowadays...
Aye, but, Joe Public doesn't have them, and Joe is the most likely
person to be first on the scene.
> Burst-proof (-resistant might be a better term) door locks are now
> ubiquitous and do not impede a properly equipped rescue team.
Agreed, but see above.
> Then again modern cars such as BMWs are very hard to get into, even for
> Road Accident Rescue teams because of materials tougher than our tools
> and pyrotechnic devices but the flip side is that you'd have to be
> trying very, very, very hard to get hurt in one...
Some people put a serious amount of effort into it. :-|
In the past, I have been the first on scene.... four people in a _very_
twisted, mangled mess of a car, wrapped round a power pole... petrol
everywhere.
At the time it made sense to me to remove those that I could from what
seemed like a potential fire bomb. (My mate was sent off to get the
experts.)
In similar circumstances today, I'd really hate to just have to sit and
watch what happens because the doors are locked. <shrug>
regards,
CrazyCam
Toosmoky
> Aye, but, Joe Public doesn't have them, and Joe is the most likely
> person to be first on the scene.
Yes, you're right. Every prang is different, some doors, though mangled
can be easily opened, others may look undamaged but will be jammed into
bodywork.
A seatbelt cutter, like a fire extinguisher is a good investment and is
more likely to be used on someone else's car other than your own.
You'd be surprised at how quickly a hacksaw can cut through roof and
door pillars and frames...
> In the past, I have been the first on scene.... four people in a _very_
> twisted, mangled mess of a car, wrapped round a power pole... petrol
> everywhere.
>
> At the time it made sense to me to remove those that I could from what
> seemed like a potential fire bomb. (My mate was sent off to get the
> experts.)
>
> In similar circumstances today, I'd really hate to just have to sit and
> watch what happens because the doors are locked. <shrug>
All valid points, which reinforce my opinion that motorcycles are much
safer than cars, both for the occupants/riders and the things they might
run into...
jlit...@my-deja.com
> "jlitt...@my-deja.com" <jlitt...@my-deja.com> wrote innews:1170744798....@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
> GB, how you doing anyway JL, long time no see, etc, etc!
Typical ! Ignores invite to attend drinks at North Sydney Hotel while
it was my local and 800metres stagger away, waits until I move back to
the inner west and NOW he wants to catch up ! Hmmpph ! :-)
JL
(yeah all good, maybe it's time for some sort of ausmoto drinks or
sumthin' ? Maybe a ride ? Anyone interested ? Bueller, Bueller ?)
Nev..
> "Nev.." <id...@mindless.com> wrote in news:45c7b6dd$0$25336$5a62ac22@per-
> qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>
> issues with Nev? Maybe you're taking the piss, but on the off
> chance that you're not, you need to remind yourself that the
> laws of physics aren't just a good idea, they're the law.
Ummm... As previously stated, I know little about electrics, but even
less about physics - I leave that up to the physicians :) - so I have no
idea what the fuck you're going on about... but some others seemed to
agree with me.. so I my guesswork couldn't have been too far off the
mark.
Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
Nev..
> "Mad-Biker" <mad-biker@westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote in
> news:45c7e78c$0$1028$61c6...@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.
> au:
>> much like air conditioning, the alternator still turns over at a
>> constant rate no matter how much power your draining!
>
> OK, do me a favour. Go out to the shed, fire up your car and let
> it idle. make a note of where the tacho needle is sitting. Now, turn
> the lights on, full christmas tree, high beams, the works. Make a
> note of where the tacho needle is sitting now.
I hope you're not suggesting that it will move, because that will blow
the original "uses more fuel" argument out of the water...
Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX