World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder

[Don McKenzie]

World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/

Raspberry Pi shipping is delayed
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2158162/raspberry-pi-shipping-delayed

Raspberry Pi delayed by "manufacturing hiccup"
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/373432/raspberry-pi-delayed-by-manufacturing-hiccup

Cheers Don...

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:39:15 +1100) it happened Don McKenzie
<5...@2.5A> wrote in <9rscmi...@mid.individual.net>:

>World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/
>
>Raspberry Pi shipping is delayed
>http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2158162/raspberry-pi-shipping-delayed
>
>Raspberry Pi delayed by "manufacturing hiccup"
>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/373432/raspberry-pi-delayed-by-manufacturing-hiccup
>
>Cheers Don...

Seems all very amateur to me.
There is an old Dutch saying:
"Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."

It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
the ones I use are.
What if the new connectors are more expensive?
LOL

[TTman]

>
> Seems all very amateur to me.
> There is an old Dutch saying:
> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
> It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
> the ones I use are.
> What if the new connectors are more expensive?
> LOL
>

Tough shit then.... perhaps the manufacturer was tring to save a few pennies
to go in their pockets by substituting a cheaper connector. Someone's head
will roll :)

[notbob]

On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seems all very amateur to me.
> There is an old Dutch saying:
> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."

Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
the French (ONE DAY!)? Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?
Do the Dutch even know how to shoot? I didn't think so.

> It is not that I did never came acros a similar problem,
> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
> the ones I use are.
> What if the new connectors are more expensive?

Not a new practice. I think the term is "vaporware". Yell from
rooftops, get venture capital, pad pockets, blame vendors, yada
yada..... Everyone does it, including Apple and others. Wait six
mos, buy the debugged version fer cheap if still alive, or look to the
next pretender.

nb

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[Nico Coesel]

notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

>On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
>Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
>the French (ONE DAY!)?

Its a small country. There is not much to defend. If you want you can
get from the German border to the sea in less than 2 days with a
bicycle. It actually took the nazis longer to conquer NL than they
expected.

>Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?

Does this count:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

NL is in fact a very big high-tech weapons manufacturer. Lots of
development of radar systems.

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[Don McKenzie]

delay comments:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-production-delayed-by-factorys-assembly-flub?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2FslashdotIt+%28Slashdot%3A+IT%29#comments

http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805

and some snippets:
====================================
[Chorus]
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
------------------------------------
Bye Bye, my Raspberry Pi,
I thought that I might buy you,
but the warehouse was dry,
those good old boys say just wait one more month,
but you keep running into delays,
yeah, you keep running into delays.
====================================
yesterday I read a this one on Beagle Bone board:

Customer: How much is a BeagleBone?
Seller: 89 dollars.
C: 89 dollars! But a Raspberry Pi is only $35!
S: So why don't you buy a Raspberry Pi, then?
C: They're out of stock.
S: Well, if BeagleBones were out of stock, they'd be only $30!
====================================

Cheers Don...

====================================

[Klaus Kragelund]

Well, its not the end of the world, they are re-modding the boards and
will be shipping soon (can't wait to get one for myself)

Seems there is some who likes picking on the Raspberry team and their
idea/product (not this thread, but in general). IMHO it outperforms
the competition, like the Arduino boards. As for the complexity of
getting started, just wait and see, since it sells nicely, the
community support will be good.

The low price and the combination of ethernet and USB connectivity
will allow for an easy way to put together custom systems. Need an
internet connection for example, just add a USB wireless stick.
Drivers exist on the Linux Package and visual app tools for Linux are
free.

Regards

Klaus

[Jan Panteltje]

!bob hugs microphone and utters:

>On 2012-03-08, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
>Is that the same Dutch that surrendered to the Nazis even quicker than
>the French (ONE DAY!)?

Netherlands is very small, 100km by 200km, and the army was non-existent by practical means.
Pretty much 'saved' away.

> Have you ever heard of a Dutch Mauser variant?
>Do the Dutch even know how to shoot? I didn't think so.

The Dutch were hunting bears up to the northpole in the last century,
controlled much of the world trade, defeated the Spanish in the 80 year war,
We just let you amriconions play boss a bit, then we will rule again,
probably with Chinese help.
It has come to my attention that the Chinese want to make the USA a
Chinese province, and Chinese will be the language taught in your schools.
All fire arms you have will be confiscated and you will have to bow
for a picture of chairman ... every morning.
This is the plan your grass-hut foreign presidente has worked out
and made a deal with China to get the next loan, so obanana still has a salary.
Actually I was a sharp shoot[1].
I am still pretty good, but at my age my hands are not so steady.
Bears are a big target, should be no problem.
:-)
There is an other Dutch expression:
'Bokken schieten'
That is what that strawberry pie is about if you ask me :-)

[1] I shot GWBush, that man in the white house was a stand-in,
clearly he knew nothing of anything.



>> It is not that I did never came across a similar problem,

>> just that I did not shout from the roofs before everything worked.
>> On top of that I find this pretty stupid,
>> is not most RJ45 with magnetics, and perhaps with LEDs these days?
>> the ones I use are.
>> What if the new connectors are more expensive?
>
>Not a new practice. I think the term is "vaporware". Yell from
>rooftops, get venture capital, pad pockets, blame vendors, yada
>yada..... Everyone does it, including Apple and others. Wait six
>mos, buy the debugged version fer cheap if still alive, or look to the
>next pretender.
>
>nb

Yep

[keithr]

What is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.

[Don McKenzie]

On 09-Mar-12 8:17 AM, keithr wrote:

>> ====================================
>>
> What is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.

I am only reporting on what others are saying Keith, so that makes me
the messenger.

Me, I have one on order, and am looking forward to it.

Cheers Don...

[Klaus Kragelund]

On 8 Mar., 22:17, keithr <ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
> On 9/03/2012 8:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > delay comments:

> >http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...

> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -
>
> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -


Because he sells the Arduino that has less performance at a higher
price and he will loose busyness if the Raspberry Pi succeeds. Envy...

[notbob]

["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]

On 2012-03-08, Nico Coesel <ni...@puntnl.niks> wrote:

> Does this count:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

Wrong answer! Actually, the US prototyped that weapon.

OTOH, it was the Dutch Boers, expat Dutch, who upstaged and wreaked
havoc and nearly brought the Brits to their knees during the famous
Boer War in S. Africa. They merely showed good sense by buying German
Mausers and outhinking the Limeys. In the meantime, the Dutch don't
even have a good beer!! Apparently, ya' gotta leave Dutch soil to
gain a pair.

Hey.... jes kidding. I'm sure the Dutch are good for something
besides tulips. ;)

[Klaus Kragelund]

On 8 Mar., 22:02, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
> delay comments:http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...
>

> DuinoMite the PIC32 $35 Basic Computer-MicroControllerhttp://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html

> Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
> Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

Perhaps you opposition to Raspberry Pi is due to your company and you
will loose money if it succeeds. Envy is a bad feeling....

[Bill Davy]

"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
news:slrnjli5s8...@nbleet.hcc.net...

Are you referrring to the 39-45 war or the 41-45 war?

Like the 14-18 war vs the 16-18 war.

[kreed]

It's LOSE - not LOOSE

[who where]

On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 05:39:15 +1100, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:

>World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/
>
>Raspberry Pi shipping is delayed
>http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2158162/raspberry-pi-shipping-delayed
>
>Raspberry Pi delayed by "manufacturing hiccup"
>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/373432/raspberry-pi-delayed-by-manufacturing-hiccup
>
>Cheers Don...
>
>============================

What, no "Raspberry Jam"?

[keithr]

On 9/03/2012 8:20 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 09-Mar-12 8:17 AM, keithr wrote:
>
>>> ====================================
>>>
>> What is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
>> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.
>
> I am only reporting on what others are saying Keith, so that makes me
> the messenger.
>
> Me, I have one on order, and am looking forward to it.

Glad to hear it Don, its just that your posts seem to take some delight
in any Pi problems.

[keithr]

The 16-18 and 41-45 wars only apply to yanks, they were late for
everything in those days, but seem to have learned their lesson, and
these day they start wars instead of waiting around trying to decide
whether to join in or not.

[MK]

On 08/03/2012 21:21, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
> On 8 Mar., 22:17, keithr<ke...@nowhere.com.au> wrote:
>> On 9/03/2012 8:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> delay comments:
>>> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/08/1413227/raspberry-pi-prod...
>>
>>> http://www.element14.com/community/message/46805
>>

>> What is it about the Pi that makes you want it to fail? Because your
>> attitude seems to indicate that that is what you want.- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -
>>
>> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -
>
>
> Because he sells the Arduino that has less performance at a higher
> price and he will loose busyness if the Raspberry Pi succeeds. Envy...

The problem with the RP is that a great many people who should know
better are allowing hope (and hype) to triumph over experience.

If the RP proposition was not so enticing would your really want to buy
from an organization which has never made anything, been very
'economical' with the truth, obviously has no quality control or
procedures etc etc.

I don't want the RP to fail because the media have bought into it and if
it fails then the whole electronic engineering profession gets egg on
its face - not a good thing.

On the other hand, I wouldn't bet much on ever seeing a fully working RP
- the whole saga is so reminiscent of the disasters that overtook many
of the early personal computer projects. (Nascom, Newbury etc).

If I were betting I'd bet on the Olimex Pi-alike. A combination of
experience and fury is hard to beat !


Michael Kellett

[kreed]

I have no commercial interest in any of these products, or Don's
business but I do admit that
when I hear over and over of all these various problems I do admit
that the more
I read, I admit that I do wonder if someone with an interest in these
devices
are in some kind of serious trouble - whether it be financial,
regulatory, or technical problems
that cannot be fixed easily and are just pushing out various excuses
to make people believe all is
ok when it might not be.


Reading the articles and forums linked here there tends to be this
feel to it,
of the kind I remember in the past when someone is having serious
business
problems and won't admit to them, and ultimately fail, usually losing
other people's money
in the process.


I don't know Don personally, but in my opinion reading here over the
years,
I think that he is not the sort of person who would resort to
"rubbishing" the PI for
ONLY the reason that it might cost him sales.

Rubbishing it for that reason alone would be futile, as it will
succeed or fail regardless
of Don's opinion, or whether the backers of it survive or fail - as if
it is a great and popular
device, and viable, someone else will soon start making it or a
compatible.


I think you will find that if the PI is successful in the market, does
what it promises to do, and gets a good following he will jump right
in,
post about his experiences with it on here, and possibly do his best
to have them in stock,
or have a compatible version out, whether designed/made by him or a
3rd party




In writing this, I'm giving my own personal opinion, it's not based on
any facts
but past experience in business and dealing with other people and
firms over many years
and am not saying or implying in any way that any organisation or
product is or isn't in any sort of trouble or doing
anything immoral or dishonest or that you should or shouldnt buy /
support anything

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (8 Mar 2012 21:24:58 GMT) it happened notbob
<not...@nothome.com> wrote in <slrnjli8vq...@nbleet.hcc.net>:

>["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
>On 2012-03-08, Nico Coesel <ni...@puntnl.niks> wrote:
>
>> Does this count:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS
>
>Wrong answer! Actually, the US prototyped that weapon.
>
>OTOH, it was the Dutch Boers, expat Dutch, who upstaged and wreaked
>havoc and nearly brought the Brits to their knees during the famous
>Boer War in S. Africa. They merely showed good sense by buying German
>Mausers and outhinking the Limeys. In the meantime, the Dutch don't
>even have a good beer!!

Heineken.

What do you consider good? Slootwater?
Your radioactive polluted drinking water?

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:12:13 -0800 (PST)) it happened Klaus
Kragelund <klau...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<591c0505-38f5-4046...@m13g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>Perhaps you opposition to Raspberry Pi is due to your company and you
>will loose money if it succeeds. Envy is a bad feeling....

Oh shut up, I have no interest in that, but I do recognize a hype
when I see one.
It is the other way around, the old story, you have invested in it by trying
to buy one, and now you dwell in self-justification.
Just like a guy who buys some peculiar make of car because that is all the money he has,
and then argues it is the best car in the world.
Even if it is delivered late or never, and does not even have a windshield.
:-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Don McKenzie wrote:
>
> World's Raspberry Pi supply jammed in factory blunder
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/raspberry_pi_delayed_networking/

Sounds like Lucas strikes again!


--
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[Michael A. Terrell]

kreed wrote:

>
> Klaus Kragelund wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps you opposition to Raspberry Pi is due to your company and you
> > will loose money if it succeeds. Envy is a bad feeling....
>
> It's LOSE - not LOOSE

It has to be loose before you can lose it. ;-)

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Don McKenzie wrote:

[snip]

> Raspberry Pi delayed by "manufacturing hiccup"
>
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/education/373432/raspberry-pi-delayed-by-manufacturing-hiccup

From TFA:

"The two pieces look so alike they need to be dismantled or have an x-ray
taken to tell them apart."

Ever heard of an ohmmeter?

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[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

[snip]

> Seems all very amateur to me.
> There is an old Dutch saying:
> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."

They've got bears in The Netherlands?

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:46:01 -0800) it happened "Paul Hovnanian
P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote in
<Tv2dnSgB3Pd60sfS...@posted.isomediainc>:

>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Seems all very amateur to me.
>> There is an old Dutch saying:
>> "Do not sell the skin of the bear before you shot it."
>
>They've got bears in The Netherlands?

Oh, yes, look up 'Artis'.
No hunting allowed all year long though...