Spare tyres
Dairy Boy
1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that wrench thingy
to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
2) is it legal to replace those full size spare with a weight saver type or
it's a defect again?
Got me thinking today when I saw my mate's new system, his installer ripped
the spare out and put a sub box that goes right into the spare tyre well....
I'd already told him don't call me if he's stranded if his tyres gone to
lunch.
Andrew G
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> Couple of questions about them:
>
> 1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that wrench
thingy
> to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
When I had my vehicle "randomly" (pffft, random, what a damn joke) RTA
checked on the roadside they asked me what the deal was with the trolley
jack in the boot. I told them the original one was stuffed, so I carry that.
He then asked me if I had a wheel brace, and I showed him. I heard him
discussing it with the other officer and that was it. So possibly it is a
defect as he seemed to "consider it".
As for the tyre. Once I went for a rego check without a spare. I had just
resprayed the whole interior of the boot, and forgot to put the wheel back
in. I had the jack and wheel brace. He asked me where it was and I told him
the story. He said that he will pass it but to put the tyre in ASAP. Some
rule stating cause the car came out with it, it should be there
So overall I would say yes.
> 2) is it legal to replace those full size spare with a weight saver type
or
> it's a defect again?
As long as it is suited to your car I doubt it would be a defect. ie it fits
safely, correct stud pattern, diameter and so on.. I couldn't imagine the
RTA officers being none the wiser about it anyway, unless they really knew
there cars.
>
> Got me thinking today when I saw my mate's new system, his installer
ripped
> the spare out and put a sub box that goes right into the spare tyre
well....
>
> I'd already told him don't call me if he's stranded if his tyres gone to
> lunch.
Yup, that's for sure.
>
Noddy
"Dairy Boy" <dair...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:3e4b4d39$0
> 1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that wrench
thingy
> to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
No, but if you do they have to be in a useable condition, and the spare tyre
has to be roadworthy.
> 2) is it legal to replace those full size spare with a weight saver type
or
> it's a defect again?
Provided the wheel/tyre combo is legal for the car in question, it's
perfectly acceptable as long as you understand that the space saver type
spare wheels are designed for *limited* use, which is basically to get you
to the nearest repairer and have your flat fixed.
Mercedes Benz conducted a survey some years ago, and found that less than a
few percent of buyers actually changed a tyre if they got a flat. As a
result, many Benz's now come with a portable compressor and tyre sealant
rather than a spare wheel, and the space the spare wheel would normally
occupy is put to better use.
Regards,
Noddy.
Useless Prick
them. How many bigshot business men in suits do you see fiddling with jack
and changing a tyre?
"Noddy" <n...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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Buges
> 1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that
"wrench thingy"
> to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
Your not likely to use it are you?
However it is needed to have a roadworthy vehicle. As ADR of the vehicle
requires it. In Qld it would be a major defect notice, not sure about other
states.
> 2) is it legal to replace those full size spare with a weight saver type
or
> it's a defect again?
You can if it is legal for that vehicle check with manufacture if your
unsure.
If you mate gets roadworthied on the side of the road he may or may not get
away with it. It really depends on how much he pisses the officer off.
Noddy
"Useless Prick" <Nos...@kunt.com> wrote in message
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> Benz owners are more likely to just call someone to change there tyre for
> them. How many bigshot business men in suits do you see fiddling with jack
> and changing a tyre?
It's not just Benz owners who can't be bothered with such tasks.
Motoring groups such as the RACV list flat tyres as one of their largest
call-out problems, and they're not all Benz owners....
These days, unless you have a blowout there is no need to carry a spare, and
tyre quality is at a point where blowouts are quite uncommon.
Regards,
Noddy.
D Walford
Buges wrote:
>
> >
> > 1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that
>
> "wrench thingy"
>
> > to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
>
> Your not likely to use it are you?
>
> However it is needed to have a roadworthy vehicle. As ADR of the vehicle
> requires it. In Qld it would be a major defect notice, not sure about other
> states.
>
Are you 100% sure its an ADR requirement?
My friends car which was registered as a new car less than 3mths ago has
no spare, jack or wheelbrace, he just carries a pressure pack can of
"tyre repair".
The car is an ICV ie individually constructed vehicle so maybe the rules
are different but I doubt it.
Many trucks, especially large company owned trucks do not carry spares
which AFAIK has to do with Workcover rules, the drivers may not be
covered if they injure themselves changing a tyre.
Instead the companies have contracts with tyre suppliers who have mobile
tyre service trucks which are on call 24/7.
Daryl
Buges
> > However it is needed to have a roadworthy vehicle. As ADR of the
vehicle
> > requires it. In Qld it would be a major defect notice, not sure about
other
> > states.
> >
> Are you 100% sure its an ADR requirement?
yes all vehicles Adr 24 23 and 71 are the requirements plus transport in
each state may have addition rules
> My friends car which was registered as a new car less than 3mths ago has
> no spare, jack or wheelbrace, he just carries a pressure pack can of
> "tyre repair".
Not legal in any state, all vehicles must be sold with a spare tyre(at very
least a space saver tyre). I did have a girlfriend who's new proton had no
jack or wheel brace, they were taken out by the dealer.
> The car is an ICV ie individually constructed vehicle so maybe the rules
> are different but I doubt it.
> Many trucks, especially large company owned trucks do not carry spares
> which AFAIK has to do with Workcover rules, the drivers may not be
> covered if they injure themselves changing a tyre.
> Instead the companies have contracts with tyre suppliers who have mobile
> tyre service trucks which are on call 24/7.
Trucks normally do have spares on board but you're right a lot have tyre
supplier service due to workcover rules. Any truck that is pulled over by
transport inspector and doesn't have spare tyres on board would be put off
the road in qld.
D Walford
Buges wrote:
>
> > >
> > > However it is needed to have a roadworthy vehicle. As ADR of the
> vehicle
> > > requires it. In Qld it would be a major defect notice, not sure about
> other
> > > states.
> > >
> > Are you 100% sure its an ADR requirement?
>
> yes all vehicles Adr 24 23 and 71 are the requirements plus transport in
> each state may have addition rules
>
> > My friends car which was registered as a new car less than 3mths ago has
> > no spare, jack or wheelbrace, he just carries a pressure pack can of
> > "tyre repair".
>
> Not legal in any state, all vehicles must be sold with a spare tyre(at very
> least a space saver tyre). I did have a girlfriend who's new proton had no
> jack or wheel brace, they were taken out by the dealer.
>
I suppose I'm being pedantic but the car wasn't "sold" by anyone, its
owned by its builder and has been through many engineering inspections
and not once was the need for a spare tyre mentioned.
Maybe an engineer like Athol would know why?
Daryl
Arnie
>
> > 1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that wrench
> thingy
> > to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
>
> No, but if you do they have to be in a useable condition, and the spare
tyre
> has to be roadworthy.
Being a pedant here :) BUT...
What about when you swap the spare onto the car and the ratshit (thus
unroadworthy) tyre takes place of the spare? Does the vehicle become
technically unroadworthy?
What about if you don't normally carry a spare, could you say you were just
"transporting" the tyre in the boot and it's not the spare?
Arnie
athol
> Buges wrote:
>> [*attribution missing*]:
>> yes all vehicles Adr 24 23 and 71 are the requirements plus transport in
>> each state may have addition rules
ADRs 20 (safety rims), 23 (passenger car tyres), 24
(tyre & rim selection) and 71 (temporary use spare
tyres) do not specifically require the provision of
a spare tyre AFAIK. Can you point me to a clause
in one or more of those rules that _requires_ them?
ADR 71 applies to space-saver type wheels _where_
_fitted_... The others relate to the general
provision of normal wheels, tyres and construction
thereof plus the contents of the tyre placard
required on each vehicle.
>> > My friends car which was registered as a new car less than 3mths ago has
>> > no spare, jack or wheelbrace, he just carries a pressure pack can of
>> > "tyre repair".
>> Not legal in any state, all vehicles must be sold with a spare tyre(at very
>> least a space saver tyre).
Bzzt. Wrong.
>> I did have a girlfriend who's new proton had no
>> jack or wheel brace, they were taken out by the dealer.
Separate issue. The item she bought was a car that
was supposed to include a spare wheel...
> I suppose I'm being pedantic but the car wasn't "sold" by anyone, its
> owned by its builder and has been through many engineering inspections
> and not once was the need for a spare tyre mentioned.
A brand new vehicle must comply with ADR requirements
when _first supplied to the market_. In the case of
an individually constructed vehicle, this is taken to
occur at the time of first registration. Once a
vehicle has been registered and completed one trip
on road (loaded in the case of a goods vehicle) it
becomes a used vehicle.
--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
Andrew J
The Mini cooper S doesn't have a spare at all, it has run flat types on it,
so this blows your ADR out of the water then.
Taken from http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_1635/article.html Right down the
bottom
"The Cooper S is fitted with 'run-flat' tyres - the only car that we're
aware of that completely abandons the notion of (even a space-saver) spare
wheel."
"Buges" <ibr...@bignet.au> wrote in message
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Dairy Boy
the situation that he replaced the tyres with pressure pack and tyre repair
kinda thing, could he get the car engineered to by-pass these ADR? Afterall,
some cars nowadays are sold without a spare in the first place.
"athol" <athol_S...@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Dairy Boy <dair...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > 1) is it a defect if I don't carry a jack, spare tyre and that wrench
thingy
> > to unscrew the bolts for the tyres?
>
> In NSW, it is _not_ a reason for rejection on a pink
> slip if the vehicle has no spare tyre. IIRC, an
> unuseable wheel could be there without being a reason
> for rejection.
>
> > 2) is it legal to replace those full size spare with a weight saver type
or
> > it's a defect again?
>
> There is ADR 71 for "temporary use" spare tyres, and if
> you carried one of these in a car from 1997 on, you'd
> need to have one that is compatible with the tyre sizes
> of the others on the car. It only applies to cars,
> forward control passenger vehicles and passenger 4WDs.
athol
> Just curious, let's just say my friend rocks up to an engineer, tells him
> the situation that he replaced the tyres with pressure pack and tyre repair
> kinda thing, could he get the car engineered to by-pass these ADR? Afterall,
> some cars nowadays are sold without a spare in the first place.
If the car has no spare tyre, so what.
If the car has a spare tyre, it must be of a size suitable
for use on the vehicle. If you want to carry a pair of
spares (unidirectional tyres or different stud patterns
front and rear, etc), so what.
As I said before, there is no ADR requirement to have a
spare. If you have a space-saver spare, it must comply
with ADR 71. If a feature is fitted, the vehicle must
comply with the relevant ADR.
Noddy
"Arnie" <vpv6n...@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> Being a pedant here :) BUT...
> What about when you swap the spare onto the car and the ratshit (thus
> unroadworthy) tyre takes place of the spare? Does the vehicle become
> technically unroadworthy?
Sure does.
You don't have to carry a spare wheel for a car to be roadworthy, and if you
*do* carry one, it doesn't have to be in a roadworthy condition *unless* you
fit it ti the car and drive on it.
If it's not and you get pinched, expect a canary...
Regards,
Noddy.
Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy
"Buges" <ibr...@bignet.au> wrote in message news:tFV2a.23606$Xo.75732@news-
> Not legal in any state, all vehicles must be sold with a spare tyre(at
very
> least a space saver tyre). I did have a girlfriend who's new proton had
no
> jack or wheel brace, they were taken out by the dealer.
Sorry Buges, but this *isn't* the case. At least not in Victoria.
There is no law that states a car has to be supplied with a spare wheel, or
any tooling necessary to change one...
> Trucks normally do have spares on board but you're right a lot have tyre
> supplier service due to workcover rules. Any truck that is pulled over by
> transport inspector and doesn't have spare tyres on board would be put off
> the road in qld.
Not down here....
Regards,
Noddy.