=SDC= Q32: The Question Of Questions
Jerry Friedman
on the list: managar, tulkojums, cumnat, yeldan.
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Skitt
I see that one of the words is obviously in Latvian, but I see no rhyme
nor reason for the rest.
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John Holmes
> On 8/20/2011 4:04 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>> Add an entry to this list, and give a reason for each entry's
>> presence on the list: managar, tulkojums, cumnat, yeldan.
>>
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>> Jerry Friedman, T. O. Panelist
>
> I see that one of the words is obviously in Latvian, but I see no rhyme
> nor reason for the rest.
The first looks like Tamil and the last maybe Turkish?
Cumnat is interesting, Romanian for brother-in-law from L. cognatus. Which
sort of makes it a cognate of 'cognate'.
Tulkojums seems to be about translations and versions, so does it have an
etymology that is similar?
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msh210
> I see that one of the words is obviously in Latvian
You don't say. What is it the translation of?
Michael Hamm
TO Panelist
Skitt
Translation, of course. :)
Jeffrey Turner
> On 8/22/2011 4:23 PM, msh210 wrote:
>> On Aug 20, Skitt abed:
>
>>> I see that one of the words is obviously in Latvian
>>
>> You don't say. What is it the translation of?
>>
>> Michael Hamm
>> TO Panelist
>
> Translation, of course. :)
Traduccion would be translation in Spanish.
James Hogg
> On Aug 20, Skitt abed:
>> I see that one of the words is obviously in Latvian
>
> You don't say. What is it the translation of?
>
Duh! Slaps forehead.
"tulkojums" is the translation of "translation"
"cumnat" is the cognate of "cognate"
I leave the others to someone with more time.
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James Hogg
"managar" is the anagram of "anagram"
"Yeldan" is the palindrome of "Bolton"
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James
James Hogg
That last one is still annoying me. I see that "yeldan" could be a
spelling of Old English "gieldan" (to pay), and a cognate is spelled
that way in early editions of the Frisian laws. I'm looking for an
English word that means both "compensation" and "replacement" but it
only works well in Swedish:
"Yeldan" är en ersättning för ersättning.
Or maybe this:
"Yeldan" is fine for "fine".
But then you lose the "of".
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James
musika
How about Yeldan yields yield.
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Ray
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James Hogg
> James Hogg wrote:
>> James Hogg wrote:
>>> James Hogg wrote:
>>>> msh210 wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 20, Skitt abed:
>>>>>> I see that one of the words is obviously in Latvian
>>>>> You don't say. What is it the translation of?
>>>>>
>>>> Duh! Slaps forehead.
>>>>
>>>> "tulkojums" is the translation of "translation"
>>>> "cumnat" is the cognate of "cognate"
>>>>
>>>> I leave the others to someone with more time.
>>>
>>> "managar" is the anagram of "anagram"
>>> "Yeldan" is the palindrome of "Bolton"
>>
>> That last one is still annoying me. I see that "yeldan" could be a
>> spelling of Old English "gieldan" (to pay), and a cognate is spelled
>> that way in early editions of the Frisian laws. I'm looking for an
>> English word that means both "compensation" and "replacement" but it
>> only works well in Swedish:
>>
>>
>> Or maybe this:
>>
>> "Yeldan" is fine for "fine".
>>
>> But then you lose the "of".
>
> How about Yeldan yields yield.
Or "yield" is the yield of "yieldan", to make it fit the slug.
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msh210
> Add an entry to this list, and give a reason for each entry's presence
> on the list: managar, tulkojums, cumnat, yeldan.
Unlike 'tulkojums' and 'cumnat', but like 'managar', 'yeldan' is sort
of an English word.
Michael Hamm
TO Panelist
musika
Or "yield" is the yield of "yeldan", to be absolutely precise.
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Ray
UK
Jerry Friedman
Michael or Vinny: Can we provide another hint here?
Vinny Burgoo
Another clue? Really? Overtly specific teasers indulge clockwatchers.
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VB
T. O. Panellist
Athel Cornish-Bowden
I thought "yeldan" had a Turkish look about it, and Google Translate
does indeed "detect" that it is Turkish, but then rather unhelpfully
tells me that the English for it is "Yeldan", a word that the SOED
doesn't know.
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Richard Bollard
wrote:
Ostic? Don't start bringing Choctaw into this.
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Vinny Burgoo
>On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:52:55 +0100, Vinny Burgoo <hlu...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>On Aug 23, 2:23 pm, msh210 <msh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 20, Jerry Friedman, TO Panelist, abed:
>>>>
>>>> > Add an entry to this list, and give a reason for each entry's presence
>>>> > on the list: managar, tulkojums, cumnat, yeldan.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike 'tulkojums' and 'cumnat', but like 'managar', 'yeldan' is sort
>>>> of an English word.
>>>
>>>Michael or Vinny: Can we provide another hint here?
>>
>>Another clue? Really? Overtly specific teasers indulge clockwatchers.
>
>Ostic? Don't start bringing Choctaw into this.
Play fair!
msh210
> > > > > > Add an entry to this list, and give a reason for each entry's
> > > > > > presence on the list: managar, tulkojums, cumnat, yeldan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unlike 'tulkojums' and 'cumnat', but like 'managar', 'yeldan' is sort
> > > > > of an English word.
> > > >
> > > > Michael or Vinny: Can we provide another hint here?
> > >
> > > Another clue? Really? Overtly specific teasers indulge clockwatchers.
> >
> > Ostic? Don't start bringing Choctaw into this.
>
> Play fair!
If that was a hint, I don't get it, so I'll post another now: Instead
of 'yeldan', we could have put 'pvcure' on the list.
Michael Hamm
TO Panelist
Cora Fuchs
wrote:
Yeldan is a cipher of cipher?
Mark Brader
>>>>>>>> presence on the list: managar, tulkojums, cumnat, yeldan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike 'tulkojums' and 'cumnat', but like 'managar', 'yeldan' is sort
>>>>>>> of an English word.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael or Vinny: Can we provide another hint here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Another clue? Really? Overtly specific teasers indulge clockwatchers.
>>>>
>>>> Ostic? Don't start bringing Choctaw into this.
>>>
>>> Play fair!
>>
Then you need to reread "Have His Carcase" by Dorothy Sayers, qhevat
juvpu Ybeq Crgre Jvzfrl fbyirf n zrffntr jevggra va n Cynlsnve pvcure.
>> so I'll post another now: Instead
>> of 'yeldan', we could have put 'pvcure' on the list.
>
> Yeldan is a cipher of cipher?
Yep, that'd be it. But if "Another clue? Really? Overtly specific
teasers indulge clockwatchers" -- na npebfgvp bs "npebfgvp" -- was
supposed to be the desired addition to the list, it fails due to
being multiple words.
Instead I propose "prime", n eulzr bs "eulzr".
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Jerry Friedman
> >>>>>>>> Add an entry to this list, and give a reason for each entry's
> >>>>>>>> presence on the list: managar,tulkojums,cumnat,yeldan.
>
> >>>>>>> Unlike 'tulkojums' and 'cumnat', but like 'managar', 'yeldan' is sort
> >>>>>>> of an English word.
>
> >>>>>> Michael or Vinny: Can we provide another hint here?
>
> >>>>> Another clue? Really? Overtly specific teasers indulge clockwatchers.
>
> >>>> Ostic? Don't start bringing Choctaw into this.
>
> >>> Play fair!
>
> >> If that was a hint, I don't get it...
>
> Then you need to reread "Have His Carcase" by Dorothy Sayers, qhevat
> juvpu Ybeq Crgre Jvzfrl fbyirf n zrffntr jevggra va n Cynlsnve pvcure.
>
> >> so I'll post another now: Instead
> >> of 'yeldan', we could have put 'pvcure' on the list.
>
>
> Yep, that'd be it. But if "Another clue? Really? Overtly specific
> teasers indulge clockwatchers" -- na npebfgvp bs "npebfgvp" -- was
> supposed to be the desired addition to the list, it fails due to
> being multiple words.
We didn't say it had to be a single word.
> Instead I propose "prime", n eulzr bs "eulzr".
Thank you!
That is along the lines of another clue we considered.
(I was expecting an answer such as "misteak" or "misspeling", so you
proved me wrong. There are many other possible answers.)
I think we're going to have to divide the sheep on this one.
Jerry Friedman
After long deliberation, the Panel awards a Cormo to Mark, four
Herdwicks to James Hogg, and two each to Cora Fuchs and John Holmes,
with thanks to Skitt for translation of "translation".
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