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Jerry Friedman

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Sep 3, 2012, 12:44:54 PM9/3/12
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There's been some discussion in the group about whether any English
words contain an "e" derived directly from a Latin "e" and pronounced /
e/ or /eI/, that is, the "day" vowel. Some have said there are no
such words other than some where the "e" is followed by "i", such as
"deity" and "deify". However, there is at least one such word where
the "e" isn't followed by "i". What is it?

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Jerry Friedman, T. O. Panelist

James Hogg

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Sep 3, 2012, 3:17:20 PM9/3/12
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reneg(u)e

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James

Jerry Friedman

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Sep 3, 2012, 4:29:23 PM9/3/12
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Hm. That must be worth a Katahdin, but there's a Cormo for a word
that's always pronounced that way, as far as the Panel knows.

(M-W gives /r@'nEg/ first, but I've usually heard /r@'nIg/.)

R H Draney

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Sep 3, 2012, 7:18:06 PM9/3/12
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Jerry Friedman filted:
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>On Sep 3, 1:17=A0pm, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
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>> reneg(u)e
>
>Hm. That must be worth a Katahdin, but there's a Cormo for a word
>that's always pronounced that way, as far as the Panel knows.
>
>(M-W gives /r@'nEg/ first, but I've usually heard /r@'nIg/.)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/135/sw50sw8sw578.gif

....r


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Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

Cora Fuchs

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Sep 3, 2012, 10:15:27 PM9/3/12
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Fete

Liz

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Sep 3, 2012, 11:00:26 PM9/3/12
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ley, a variant of 'lea', meaning 'field', 'meadow'.

A spur of the moment answer - no ley lines here.



CDB

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Sep 4, 2012, 8:24:38 AM9/4/12
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This might be an entry or it might be a request for clarification. How
direct is "directly"? If "renegue", coming through French, is sort of
eligible, how about "segue", coming through Italian?


CDB

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Sep 4, 2012, 8:29:49 AM9/4/12
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On 03/09/2012 4:29 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
Oops, not French. Kindly ignore.


James Hogg

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Sep 4, 2012, 8:45:29 AM9/4/12
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Good job I read this post. I was just composing a "reniement" of your
other one.

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James

CDB

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Sep 4, 2012, 9:40:17 AM9/4/12
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�chapp� belle. There is a dictionary at OneLook that contains the word
"res". pronounced [rEIs}, as near as I can tell.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/res

James Hogg

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Sep 4, 2012, 9:54:33 AM9/4/12
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And "re" as in "re your letter" can be pronounced that way.

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James

Iain Archer

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Sep 4, 2012, 10:25:03 AM9/4/12
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James Hogg wrote on Tue, 4 Sep 2012
I'm surprised to find that online OED has only a single pronunciation,
/di:/, for the preposition "de". Does anyone say "de facto" that way?
For "re" it does have alternatives Brit. /reI/ , /ri:/ , U.S. /reI/ ,
/ri/ .
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Iain Archer

msh210

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Sep 4, 2012, 10:40:33 AM9/4/12
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On Sep 4, 8:55 am, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
> And "re" as in "re your letter" can be pronounced that way.

Thank you!

Michael Hamm
TO Thanker

John Varela

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Sep 4, 2012, 1:48:08 PM9/4/12
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Besides which, according to the laws of contract bridge, the word is
"revoke". Or at least it used to be; my copy of the laws is dated
1963.

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John Varela

Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and
murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure
wind. -- George Orwell

Mark Brader

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Sep 4, 2012, 1:54:26 PM9/4/12
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John Varela:
> Besides which, according to the laws of contract bridge, the word is
> "revoke". Or at least it used to be; my copy of the laws is dated
> 1963.

"Revoke" is still the word used in the current Laws. Which is not to say,
of course, that "renege" isn't an English word.
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Jerry Friedman

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Sep 4, 2012, 2:30:42 PM9/4/12
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On Sep 3, 5:18 pm, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Jerry Friedman filted:
>
>
>
> >On Sep 3, 1:17=A0pm, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> reneg(u)e
>
> >Hm.  That must be worth a Katahdin, but there's a Cormo for a word
> >that's always pronounced that way, as far as the Panel knows.
>
> >(M-W gives /r@'nEg/ first, but I've usually heard /r@'nIg/.)
>
>  http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/135/sw50sw8sw578...

Thank you so much for sharing that.

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Jerry Friedman

Guy Barry

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:44:46 AM9/5/12
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"Cora Fuchs" wrote in message
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That's not directly from Latin, but via French.

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Guy Barry

Cora Fuchs

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Sep 5, 2012, 2:45:12 PM9/5/12
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Yes, I realized what the Panel wanted when I saw "re" ger the Totally
Official "Thank you!" I was thinking, "derived in a direct line of
descent." Oh, well.

John Varela

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Sep 5, 2012, 4:56:24 PM9/5/12
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:54:26 UTC, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

> John Varela:
> > Besides which, according to the laws of contract bridge, the word is
> > "revoke". Or at least it used to be; my copy of the laws is dated
> > 1963.
>
> "Revoke" is still the word used in the current Laws. Which is not to say,
> of course, that "renege" isn't an English word.

Agreed. I was just piling on.
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