Please Shrink Mulder
Portia
Gizzie, Gizzie, Gizzie. <shaking head> You're so predictable.
Apparently we don't have a Town Shrink resident, because my call for
education on DID/MPD was met with silence. However, let me try again
because TFWID raised some intriguing questions.
Assume for the sake of argument that the reincarnation stuff is bunk,
which from Scully's perspective it is. (I personally think M&W
intended to imply this with the chronology conflicts.) As others have
said, Mulder was massively motivated and pre-hypnotically suggested to
act out past life regression under hypnosis. What is *wrong* with this
guy? Melissa/Sarah had DID/MPD, what's his excuse? In some ways this
episode fleshed out a somewhat cartoon version of Mulder (every problem
and motivation goes back to Samantha's abduction). In other ways, it's
the same old thing, suggesting that the guilt from failing Samantha
motivates his desperation. I just don't buy that losing a sibling left
him this fucked up. So what's the diagnosis, anyway?
On a related note, I find it interesting that some people are so
focused on the soulmate impediment to M&S romance. To me, TFWID
expands on Mulder's incredible incapacity for empathy. He didn't even
have it for Melissa/Sarah. He was desperately grasping for something
*from* her, not trying to help her. The biggest impediment to a
romantic relationship would seem to be Scully's knowledge, reconfirmed
in TFWID, that Mulder is a walking wreck, a black hole of need that
nobody could possibly fill. She's smart to keep him at an emotional
distance, and even smarter to only rarely be vulnerable with him. He
would only turn it around and use it against her to meet *his* needs.
What could possibly be in it for Scully to get further enmeshed with
him? She couldn't "save" Mulder with her love. He's way beyond that.
Although I'm convinced she'd stand by him from a safe distance, she's
shown enough fear of being sucked into abysses that the events of TFWID
would most likely make her *increase* her emotional detachment from
him.
Alyssa Fernandez
Portia wrote:
>
The biggest impediment to a
> romantic relationship would seem to be Scully's knowledge, reconfirmed
> in TFWID, that Mulder is a walking wreck, a black hole of need that
> nobody could possibly fill.
Actually, I have a black hole of need that Mulder is welcome to fill any
time.
(Sorry, it must be contagious...
Alyssa)
hol...@internetland.net
>
> Assume for the sake of argument that the reincarnation stuff is bunk,
> which from Scully's perspective it is. (I personally think M&W
> intended to imply this with the chronology conflicts.) As others have
> said, Mulder was massively motivated and pre-hypnotically suggested to
> act out past life regression under hypnosis. What is *wrong* with this
> guy? Melissa/Sarah had DID/MPD, what's his excuse? In some ways this
> episode fleshed out a somewhat cartoon version of Mulder (every problem
> and motivation goes back to Samantha's abduction). In other ways, it's
> the same old thing, suggesting that the guilt from failing Samantha
> motivates his desperation. I just don't buy that losing a sibling left
> him this fucked up. So what's the diagnosis, anyway?
Partial agreement. I think the sister thing left him messed up, but
without direction. Then, when brought into the FBI he finally had some way
to direct that frustration of not knowing (one thing that drives most any
human crazy). The more he was able to find out, the more questions he was
left with, including "can I trust my father? would he have given me up?
did he give my sister up?"
Then his Father is killed, before there could be real resolution. And it
happens bc of what Mulder is looking into, so he feels guilt for it.
His mother has recently been close to death. That had to be angstifying.
He has had two informants die for helping him. More guilt.
Scully's sister is dead bc of her (Scully's) involvement with Mulder.
In the past three/four years, his life has gone from confusing to agonizing.
Right now, he and Scully seem to be experiencing a 'growing apart' phase.
They are more than ever in conflict, not just in thinking "how did this
happen" but on a morality level as well.
And, the guy hasn't had a successful relationship with a woman in, like, ever.
Frustration again.
So yes, like you, I think he was grasping for something -- perhaps a perosn
to SAVE. Scully doesn't need him to save her -- although she too apears to
ravel around the edges lately.
Melissa, on the other hand, needed somebody desperately, and her own "not
knowing" about her life must have evoked some powerful feelings in Mulder.
However, he lost sight of her needing help in other ways. She didn't need
a soul-mate right then.. She needed a shrink.
I can't see this affecting Mulder in a positive way real soon, but neither
do i know if the plot, etc, will come up again. Or if the writers ever
really deal with escalating tension over non-continues eps.
The biggest impediment to a
> romantic relationship would seem to be Scully's knowledge, reconfirmed
> in TFWID, that Mulder is a walking wreck, a black hole of need that
> nobody could possibly fill. She's smart to keep him at an emotional
> distance, and even smarter to only rarely be vulnerable with him. He
> would only turn it around and use it against her to meet *his* needs.
> What could possibly be in it for Scully to get further enmeshed with
> him? She couldn't "save" Mulder with her love. He's way beyond that.
> Although I'm convinced she'd stand by him from a safe distance, she's
> shown enough fear of being sucked into abysses that the events of TFWID
> would most likely make her *increase* her emotional detachment from
> him.
Prolly true.
AMY
Pamela T. Pon
Alyssa Fernandez <zzz...@toolcity.net> wrote:
>Portia wrote:
>> The biggest impediment to a
>> romantic relationship would seem to be Scully's knowledge, reconfirmed
>> in TFWID, that Mulder is a walking wreck, a black hole of need that
>> nobody could possibly fill.
>
>time.
Ooooohh, that was a good one. Very good. However, it makes the Subject
line of this thread seem highly inappropriate ... ;-)
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Lee Burwasser
Alyssa Fernandez wrote:
> Actually, I have a black hole of need that Mulder is welcome to fill any
> time.
>
>
In _Dragon's Egg_, Robert Forward had a Russian scientist use a
circumlocution, because "black hole" is a vulgar term in Russian. I've
no idea if that's so or if Forward made it up, but if it ain't true it
should be!
Lee Burwasser lburw...@crs.loc.gov
Landover MD USA
*working stiff--don't blame me for policy*
John H. Wood
In article <55lvqk$4...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, por...@ix.netcom.co
says...
> I just don't buy that losing a sibling left him this fucked up.
Pardon me. When exactly was the last time you lost a sibling before
your very eyes and did nothing to stop it from occuring?
John
BLA Wheezer #19 Reminding you: "Any time, any place,
Our snipers can drop you.
Have a nice day!"
And: "Know your Exits."
tee...@aol.com
Hey Portia -- last night I attempted to answer your questions re: DID and
got cut offline (AOL what else) while trying to post. As for DID the DSM
IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed. 1994)
states that the disorder is extremely rare and may be over-reported bc of
recent media attention (the flip side is that maybe it is under-reported).
People diagnosed as DID have been found to be extremely suggestible and
hypnotizable (empirical data, not opinion). It's kind of like the
attention-deficit disorder (ADHD) for adults..... those who want to 'find'
it can misdiagnose several other disorders in order to label someone as
DID. Personally, I believe that it does exist...but extremely rare. As
for your question re: Mulder -- you stated that he was extremely
suggestible and went into the session believing that he was this soldier
-- so you basically answered your own question!! People that can be
hypnotized tend to be more suggestible than those who cannot. Any other
questions (or for a more detailed description of DID) just let me know.
I've got the criteria, prevelance, etc, I'm just too lazy to type it out
tonight.
Da Shrink en Da House
(or clinical psych/neuro-psych Ph.D. intern)
Karen-- procrastinating some more
John Anderson
Portia wrote:
>
The biggest impediment to a
> romantic relationship would seem to be Scully's knowledge, reconfirmed
> nobody could possibly fill.
Actually, I have a black hole of need that Mulder is welcome to fill any
time.
(Sorry, it must be contagious...
Alyssa)
{ That is sick...}
Portia
In <19961106065...@ladder01.news.aol.com> tee...@aol.com
writes:
>Hey Portia -- last night I attempted to answer your questions re: DID
and>got cut offline (AOL what else) while trying to post. As for DID
ed. 1994)states that the disorder is extremely rare and may be
over-reported bc of recent media attention (the flip side is that maybe
extremely suggestible and hypnotizable (empirical data, not opinion).
It's kind of like the attention-deficit disorder (ADHD) for adults.....
those who want to 'find' it can misdiagnose several other disorders in
order to label someone as DID. Personally, I believe that it does
exist...but extremely rare. As for your question re: Mulder -- you
stated that he was extremely suggestible and went into the session
believing that he was this soldier -- so you basically answered your
own question!! People that can be hypnotized tend to be more
suggestible than those who cannot. Any other questions (or for a more
detailed description of DID) just let me know.
>I've got the criteria, prevelance, etc, I'm just too lazy to type it
out
>tonight.
>Da Shrink en Da House
>(or clinical psych/neuro-psych Ph.D. intern)
>Karen-- procrastinating some more
Yippee! Welcome Dr. Karen. Please stick around. I think Mulder's
gonna need you.
tee...@aol.com
RE: Subject: Re: I'll Shrink Mulder
From: por...@ix.netcom.com(Portia)
<<Yippee! Welcome Dr. Karen. Please stick around. I think Mulder's
gonna need you.>>
Hey Portia,
Thanks for the welcome and glad to be onboard. Remember though, I'm still
a student/intern -- but that's ok, Mulder is still a bit flakey at the
edges!!!
Pre-Doc Karen on-call and at your service! :-)
Mike/Damon or Peni R. Griffin
At least part of Mulder's problem will be physical. Some people are
biologically geared for depression. (Like me.) The fact that his
parents are distant, secretive, and unloving -- that his father is in
fact a selfish bastard who knowingly did nothing to lessen his son's
guilt feelings even though he knew for a fact they were groundless --
can't have helped. And Mulder, alas, cannot see a psychiatrist,
because you have to trust the person you let in to root around your
head. He needs to heal himself, and that's hard work.
This is Peni.
Kid books are better than grownup books.
Check out http://www.geocities.com/athens/3401
Erika Peterson
In article <55lvqk$4...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
Portia <por...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Gizzie, Gizzie, Gizzie. <shaking head> You're so predictable.
>
>Apparently we don't have a Town Shrink resident, because my call for
>education on DID/MPD was met with silence. However, let me try again
>because TFWID raised some intriguing questions.
>
>which from Scully's perspective it is. (I personally think M&W
>intended to imply this with the chronology conflicts.) As others have
>said, Mulder was massively motivated and pre-hypnotically suggested to
>act out past life regression under hypnosis. What is *wrong* with this
>guy? Melissa/Sarah had DID/MPD, what's his excuse? In some ways this
>episode fleshed out a somewhat cartoon version of Mulder (every problem
>and motivation goes back to Samantha's abduction). In other ways, it's
>the same old thing, suggesting that the guilt from failing Samantha
>motivates his desperation. I just don't buy that losing a sibling left
>him this fucked up. So what's the diagnosis, anyway?
>
Freudian theory does have an elegant explanation for Mulder's whole
"Samantha" problem. I wasn't going to inflict it on y'all, but you
begged! :) So here it is, "New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis:
Part X for X-Files":
Yes, Mulder's problem is guilt. Even he could be pressed to admit this
-- he would perhaps say he feels guilty because he failed to save her.
Because he can admit this, we know it is not the true explanation (if it
were, bringing it to consciousness would resolve it). He feels guilty
for her disappearance because he wanted it to happen.
Everyone knows the Oedipus complex, right? (Like so much of psychodynamic
theory, it works out elegantly in the male case but not in the female
case; lucky for us Mulder's a boy). Baby boy is blissfully united with
Mommy, but as he becomes older he realizes that he has to share her with
big hairy stranger, Daddy. Not cool. Boy wants to kill Daddy and
possess Mommy. (We won't go into the resolution of this complex right
now. Suffice to say that the dynamics of the situation often force some
sort of resolution in mid-childhood that ends up with boy identifying
with Daddy).
Sibling rivalry works the same way. Child doesn't want to share mommy,
and wants to kill the siblings (as far as a child understands death, that
is; the child basically wants them to go away and not come back).
However, there are no forces compelling a resolution of this conflict;
this primitive wish can keep simmering away in the id, showing itself in
more socially acceptable ways as the kids get older.
When a sibling dies, on one level the child knows s/he is responsible
for the death because of the wish. Any child faces this guilt...why
is Moose so messed up? Because with a little therapy or sensible
parenting, a kid can work through this. Remember, these things lose their
force when they are made conscious. But let us not accuse the Mulders of
sensible parenting. First, they never talked about the event (they both
knew the truth and it was something that couldn't be spoken of), so he
never had a chance to bring the true source of guilt into the light.
Second, the family was basically destroyed by the event, which Young
Mulder knew sure as shootin' was his fault too. So the added guilt
caused the original wish to become even more threatening, and it was
repressed even further.
So Mulder is left with a screaming, over-the-top example of reaction
formation (trying to deny threatening feelings by professing their
opposite). Because he cannot possibly afford to admit to himself that he
wished for this event to happen, he has to devote his entire life to
making it appear that he is the last person who wanted this to happen.
Let me know if y'all want a more detailed analysis of the various
Samantha scenes supporting this theory. Take home message: Mulder really
doesn't give a fig (or at least, not a very big one) about Samantha as a
person. This is all about desperately keeping threats to self-integrity
at bay, and secondarily, trying to regain his parents' love.
(Important disclaimer: although I am a psychologist, I have no
psychoanalytic training, so it's possible that I've presented an overly
simplistic take on the theory -- correct me if so!)
EP
Portia
In <56aedb$s...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> e...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Erika
Peterson) writes:
<snip snip>
>I wasn't going to inflict it on y'all, but you
>begged! :) So here it is, "New Introductory Lectures on
Psychoanalysis: Part X for X-Files":
>
>Yes, Mulder's problem is guilt. Even he could be pressed to admit
this -- he would perhaps say he feels guilty because he failed to save
her. Because he can admit this, we know it is not the true explanation
(if it were, bringing it to consciousness would resolve it). He feels
guilty >for her disappearance because he wanted it to happen.
>
If only Freud HAD been right about the "bringing it to consciousness
resolves it" thing. <sigh> If so, I'd have had a few dozen healing
epiphanies by now.
<more snippage about Moose's parents>
>
>So Mulder is left with a screaming, over-the-top example of reaction
>formation (trying to deny threatening feelings by professing their
>opposite). Because he cannot possibly afford to admit to himself that
he wished for this event to happen, he has to devote his entire life to
>making it appear that he is the last person who wanted this to happen.
Thanks, Doc Eap, for bringing this to *my* conscious level. I just
knew that run-of-the-mill survivor guilt couldn't account for his
symptoms/personality. It *was* pretty suspicious that he was so
irritated with Samantha over that Stratego game and the TV show.
(Mulder, obsessed with a TV show? CC was having fun with us even in
Season 1?)
>Let me know if y'all want a more detailed analysis of the various
>Samantha scenes supporting this theory. Take home message: Mulder
really doesn't give a fig (or at least, not a very big one) about
Samantha as a person. This is all about desperately keeping threats to
self-integrity at bay, and secondarily, trying to regain his parents'
love.
Aha. That fits with what I was trying to say about his selfishness.
He always seemed to want her back to satisfy his own needs, and not
to have a real sense of her as a separate person. I think we had a
hint of the emptiness he would feel if she really returned in
Colony/Endgame. Even her "safe" return couldn't satisfy his needs at
this point, could it? Would it even make things worse in some ways?
And YES, I'd like to hear more about your (and/or Freud's) thoughts on
this. I find it fascinating.
>
>(Important disclaimer: although I am a psychologist, I have no
>psychoanalytic training, so it's possible that I've presented an
overly simplistic take on the theory -- correct me if so!)
>
>EP
>
Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about time
to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
Town Pedant: Professor Nick
Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers all
want to sell us something
Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough for
references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
Needs classification: Gizzie
And many more I'm surely forgetting.
madse004
In article <56amcu$9...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
por...@ix.netcom.com(Portia) wrote:
gizzie, town drunk. (giz, you know I'm joking!) Town Undertaker: John Coffin
Town Attorney: Portia Editor of the Local Rag: could be many, Shanna
comes to mind Cub reporter: Peni
Doc Aay (who prefers to be known as the Town Restorer--though that sounds
like I do roofs!)
Portia
In <madse004-121...@pub-20-c-175.dialup.umn.edu> madse004
writes:
Portia wrote:
>> >
>> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about
time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
>>
>> Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
>> Town Pedant: Professor Nick
>> Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
>> Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
all want to sell us something
>>
>> Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
for >> references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
>>
>> Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
>> Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
>> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
>> Needs classification: Gizzie
>>
>> And many more I'm surely forgetting.
>
>gizzie, town drunk. (giz, you know I'm joking!)
>Town Undertaker: John Coffin
>Town Attorney: Portia
>Editor of the Local Rag: could be many, Shanna comes to mind
>Cub reporter: Peni
>Doc Aay (who prefers to be known as the Town Restorer--though that
sounds like I do roofs!)
Town Soothsayer: Cat Yronwode
We still need a schoolteacher, a blacksmith, a seamstress, and a
Marshal (Parateam, you're known to be heavily armed). What else?
Thanks for the nod, Doc, but if this must be my cross to bear, I
propose that we send a stagecoach to Kansas City for another shyster.
There's a vulgar saying about what it's impossible to accomplish
in a town with only one lawyer. And the hate can be spread around a
little bit. And BTW, make that Attorney General, dammit. :-@
Jan Morier
Brilliant 'shrink wrap' snipped...
>Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about time
>to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
>
>Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
>Town Pedant: Professor Nick
>Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
>Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers all
>want to sell us something
>
>Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough for
>references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
>
>Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
>Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
>Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
>Needs classification: Gizzie
>
>And many more I'm surely forgetting.
__________________
OH PLEEEEASE, can I be the Village Idiot PLEEEASE!!
or I'll settle for being the Museum Curator (if I must...)
RightBrain
(for the best ideas in the hemisphere!)
Hey Jude
Portia wrote:
>
> In <madse004-121...@pub-20-c-175.dialup.umn.edu> madse004
> writes:
> >
> Portia wrote:
> >> >
> time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
> >>
> >> Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
> >> Town Pedant: Professor Nick
> >> Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
> >> Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
> all want to sell us something
> >>
> >> Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
> for >> references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
> >>
> >> Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
> >> Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
> >> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
> >> Needs classification: Gizzie
> >>
> >> And many more I'm surely forgetting.
> >
> >Town Undertaker: John Coffin
> >Town Attorney: Portia
> >Editor of the Local Rag: could be many, Shanna comes to mind
> >Cub reporter: Peni
> >Doc Aay (who prefers to be known as the Town Restorer--though that
> sounds like I do roofs!)
>
> Town Soothsayer: Cat Yronwode
>
> We still need a schoolteacher, a blacksmith, a seamstress, and a
> Marshal (Parateam, you're known to be heavily armed). What else?
>
> Thanks for the nod, Doc, but if this must be my cross to bear, I
> propose that we send a stagecoach to Kansas City for another shyster.
> There's a vulgar saying about what it's impossible to accomplish
> in a town with only one lawyer. And the hate can be spread around a
> little bit. And BTW, make that Attorney General, dammit. :-@
Well since I am one in real life, I could be the seamstress, even though
in olden days in Seattle the 'ladies of the night' were refered to as
'seamstresses' to keep from getting arrested. (May I take your inseam
measurement, sir?) :-)
--
Jude Dettmann
ju...@execpc.com
http://www.execpc.com/~juded/jude.html
"I'm a solitary yeti,
Traversing frozen plains,
Upon a constant lookout
For dinosaur remains.
I savor them for supper,
I relish them for lunch,
Their flavor is peculiar,
But I adore the crunch.
- A Solitary Yeti
Nicholas Gardner
Or maybe I could be the reporter's apprentice...or copy boy....or how
about I become the community reporter?
Nick G (not to be confused with the other Nick on this NG)
ps: sorry for the first post. Mail system sucks.....maybe I could do a
feature..........
mis...@aol.com
In article <56b9ve$i...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
por...@ix.netcom.com(Portia) writes:
Mishka sez: "I wanna be the Marshal!" I'll be the only one in town with a
badge, and I get the best gun. You guys can tote your Colt .45s, but I
get a Sig Sauer! And I can throw all spammers, 'Phile bashers, and .jpg
outlaws into the poke! Now I'll be off to round up that notorious
Cancerman gang...who's up for a posse?
-- Mishka
"Fear of chaos cannot justify
unwarranted censorship of free speech." (Al Gore)
*** Save the Fan Websites -- FREE SPEECH IS OUT THERE! ***
Alisand Swanson
I can't think of any useful role to play! Can I just be an Idle Gossip?
Sandy
J Thomas
mis...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <56b9ve$i...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
> por...@ix.netcom.com(Portia) writes:
>
> >>> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about
> >time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
> Mishka sez: "I wanna be the Marshal!" I'll be the only one in town with a
> badge, and I get the best gun. You guys can tote your Colt .45s, but I
> get a Sig Sauer! And I can throw all spammers, 'Phile bashers, and .jpg
> outlaws into the poke! Now I'll be off to round up that notorious
> Cancerman gang...who's up for a posse?
>
> -- Mishka
> Deputize me and I'm there!!! Always wanted to be the broad with the biggest.....guns..
yeah guns!...in the neighbourhood....
Jenny T.
Nicholas Gardner
> Portia wrote:
> >> >
> >> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about
> time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
> >>
> >> Town Pedant: Professor Nick
> >> Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
> >> Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
> all want to sell us something
> >>
> >> Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
> for >> references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
> >>
> >> Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
> >> Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
> >> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
> >> Needs classification: Gizzie
> >>
> >> And many more I'm surely forgetting.
> >
> >gizzie, town drunk. (giz, you know I'm joking!)
> >Town Undertaker: John Coffin
> >Town Attorney: Portia
> >Editor of the Local Rag: could be many, Shanna comes to mind
> >Cub reporter: Peni
> >Doc Aay (who prefers to be known as the Town Restorer--though that
> sounds like I do roofs!)
>
> Town Soothsayer: Cat Yronwode
>
> We still need a schoolteacher, a blacksmith, a seamstress, and a
> Marshal (Parateam, you're known to be heavily armed). What else?
>
madse004
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.961113...@plato.ucs.mun.ca>,
Nicholas Gardner <ngar...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
> I see there is no reporter for our community. So I voulunteer myself.
> Or maybe I could be the reporter's apprentice...or copy boy....or how
> about I become the community reporter?
>
> Nick G (not to be confused with the other Nick on this NG)
>
> ps: sorry for the first post. Mail system sucks.....maybe I could do a
> feature..........
In honor of your difficulties with the "mail", I nominate you for town
postmaster!
The doctor is "out"
camgib
Hey Jude wrote:
>
> Portia wrote:
> >
> > In <madse004-121...@pub-20-c-175.dialup.umn.edu> madse004
> > writes:
> > >
I propose I be the Town Comedian.
What? Can't I do that? OH... man... I can make you laugh in a minute...
just a minute... I promise you'll...
Rosemary Ighel
por...@ix.netcom.com(Portia) wrote:
>We still need a schoolteacher, a blacksmith, a seamstress, and a
>Marshal (Parateam, you're known to be heavily armed). What else?
Does the seamstress get to do tailoring on Moose's pants?
Where do I send my resume?
Portia
In <56e6he$g...@bolivia.earthlink.net> Gia Gittleson
<gi...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>Do we have a midwife, minister, coroner, witch, warlock, school marm,
>tinker (we;ve got a tailor, i think), soldier, spy, butcher, thief,
>candlemaker, sheriff, deputy?
>
>However, I do know, I want to be the Western Union, uh, Woman! may I
>please, please, pretty please?
>
>best,
>Gia
Consider it done. Gia, WUW: our communicator
in Moose (and Squirrel) Code.
Crunchy Frog
> >> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about
> time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
> >>
> >> Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
> >> Town Pedant: Professor Nick
> >> Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
> >> Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
> all want to sell us something
> >>
> >> Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
> for >> references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
> >>
> >> Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
> >> Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
> >> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
> >> Needs classification: Gizzie
> >>
> >> And many more I'm surely forgetting.
Hey, instead of town reptile, can I be *Doctor Frog,
Medicine Amphibian*? C'mon, I just need an excuse to find me a strappin'
mountain man & start poppin' out the tadpoles.... :P :P :P
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Crunchy Frog <:8 )--
Erika Peterson
In article <madse004-121...@pub-20-c-175.dialup.umn.edu>,
<madse004> wrote:
<major snippage>
>>
>> Thanks, Doc Eap, for bringing this to *my* conscious level. I just
>> knew that run-of-the-mill survivor guilt couldn't account for his
>> symptoms/personality. It *was* pretty suspicious that he was so
>> irritated with Samantha over that Stratego game and the TV show.
>> (Mulder, obsessed with a TV show? CC was having fun with us even in
>> Season 1?)
You are absolutely right about this scene. It shows the perfect mixture
of a little patronizing fondness (from the superego) and rivalry (from
the id). My favorite part of the scene: If you'll recall from the last
lecture :) , a successful resolution of the Oedipal conflict is
identification with Daddy. When Young Mulder's superego (internalized
parent voice) conquers his id and compels him to try to save Samantha,
what does he do? HE GOES FOR HIS FATHER'S GUN, if I remember correctly.
How Freudian can you get?
>>
>> >Let me know if y'all want a more detailed analysis of the various
>> >Samantha scenes supporting this theory. Take home message: Mulder
>> really doesn't give a fig (or at least, not a very big one) about
>> Samantha as a person. This is all about desperately keeping threats to
>> self-integrity at bay, and secondarily, trying to regain his parents'
>> love.
>>
>> Aha. That fits with what I was trying to say about his selfishness.
>> He always seemed to want her back to satisfy his own needs, and not
>> to have a real sense of her as a separate person. I think we had a
>> hint of the emptiness he would feel if she really returned in
>> Colony/Endgame. Even her "safe" return couldn't satisfy his needs at
>> this point, could it? Would it even make things worse in some ways?
>>
>> And YES, I'd like to hear more about your (and/or Freud's) thoughts on
>> this. I find it fascinating.
When the fake Samantha shows up, does he seem happy to see her? No.
Is he willing to trade her for Scully? In a heartbeat.
When Scully is trying to comfort him over his loss, he says something
along the lines of "The hardest part is going to be telling my father".
When his dad lights into him, the worst cut he saves for last is "Do you
realize what this is going to do to your mother?". Samantha has just
become an object in the original love triangle between Mulder, Mom, and Dad.
I honestly don't know what will happen upon Samantha's return -- when a
sibling dies, it's usually not an option! When I get a chance I'll comb
through Freud and see if there are any ideas... A provocative question...
Incidentally, I think this is a case in which those who bring us this
show ARE aware of this dynamic. I happened to leaf through the latest
copy of British GQ (just by chance :) ), and the ever-erudite DD talks
about a book he admires by Harold Bloom, called "The Anxiety of
Influence"; apparently, it's all about psychoanalysis and literature,
particularly the relation between the Oedipal conflict and the writing
process.
<snip>
>> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about time
>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
<snip>
Yeah, that's us academics, always with the hedges and disclaimers! (I
proudly accept my seat in the Chamber of Commerce, by the way, and I'd be
happy to sub for Town Pedant -- just ask my students how pedantic I can be!
:) ).
EP
J Thomas
Portia wrote:
>
>Do we have a midwife, minister, coroner, witch, warlock, school marm,
> >tinker (we;ve got a tailor, i think), soldier, spy, butcher, thief,
> >candlemaker, sheriff, deputy?
>
> in Moose (and Squirrel) Code.
Forget being deputy...since i already work i a hotel, can i sign up to be the inkeeper
for the local house of ill repute?!??!?!!?!? pretty please??? Just call me:
Madame Jenny T.
Rufie710
> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
why thank you , I am honored.
> Needs classification: Gizzie
thats easy -she is a goddess among women.
--
rufie710
"I tried Reality once, I found it too confining"
Rufie710
In article <56bmvc$l...@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca>, Jan Morier
> or I'll settle for being the Museum Curator (if I must...)
> RightBrain
> (for the best ideas in the hemisphere!)
oh NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! You beat me to it!!!!! ok , you win but I get to come
to Minsk too,
Rufie710
> > Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
> > Town Pedant: Professor Nick
> > Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
> > Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers all
> > want to sell us something
> >
> > Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough for
> > references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
> >
> > Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
> > Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
> > Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
> > Needs classification: Gizzie
> >
> > And many more I'm surely forgetting.
>
> gizzie, town drunk. (giz, you know I'm joking!) Town Undertaker: John Coffin
> Town Attorney: Portia Editor of the Local Rag: could be many, Shanna
> comes to mind Cub reporter: Peni
> Doc Aay (who prefers to be known as the Town Restorer--though that sounds
> like I do roofs!)
oooooh.....can I be the village idiot too???? I have always wanted to be
one, ever since I saw Woody Allens "love and Death " and discovered that
village idiots have an annual convention in Minsk. Ruth , any excuse to
visit Minsk.
madse004
In article <328B85...@CONCENTRIC.NET>, J Thomas
<JTTH...@CONCENTRIC.NET> wrote:
Why not, but you'll need some "girls". How about all those squidgers?
And since this *is* an equal opportunity old west town, how 'bout some
"boys"?
Town Toothpuller
Paul Wartenberg
Portia (por...@ix.netcom.com) wrote a lot of stuff which I snipped, but
here's the fun stuff:
: Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about time
: to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
: Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
: Town Pedant: Professor Nick
: Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
: Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers all
: want to sell us something
: Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough for
: references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
Well, I'M a Reference Librarian, and I have the degree and resume
to prove it!...;)
: Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
: Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
: Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
: Needs classification: Gizzie
: And many more I'm surely forgetting.
--
Paul Wartenberg-------------------- | -----All Done.--------
z004...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us | -----Bye-Bye.---------
vill...@icanect.net--------------- | ----------------------
-----Jeremiah Smith Lives---------- | -----X-FILES----------
-----Freedom is in the mind and the spirit------------------
-----The body still must break the chains.------------------
J Thomas
I am an equal oportunity Madame...all you squidgers and squoodgers who are looking
for employment come on over (so to speak!)
Jenny T
r...@email.unc.edu
Crunchy Frog wrote:
>
> > >> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about
> > time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
> > >>
> > >> Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
> > >> Town Pedant: Professor Nick
> > >> Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
> > >> Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
> > all want to sell us something
> > >>
> > >> Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
> > for >> references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
> > >>
> > >> Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
> > >> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
> > >> Needs classification: Gizzie
.............
I think we should be a tad cautious about having gizzie classify the
needs for an entire town ...
Jen P.
.............
> > >>
> > >> And many more I'm surely forgetting.
>
pi...@mail.geocities.com
> Crunchy Frog wrote:
> >
> > > >> Everybody's needing professional disclaimers lately. It's about
> > > time>> to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
> > > >>
> > > >> Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
> > > >> Town Pedant: Professor Nick
> > > >> Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
> > > >> Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
> > > all want to sell us something
> > > >>
> > > >> Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
> > > for >> references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
> > > >>
> > > >> Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
> > > >> Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
> > > >> Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
> > > >> Needs classification: Gizzie
>
um.... Well, believe it or not, I sell powertools. SO I guess I can be the
Hardware girl?
AMYCat -- back after a hard-drive wipe out.
misty
Town Librarian: Clif (you know, the one who made the first episode guide)
`cause he knows lots and lots of stuff.
Neil S. Yutkin
In <56fdgj$d...@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>
z004...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Paul Wartenberg) writes:
>
>Portia (por...@ix.netcom.com) wrote a lot of stuff which I snipped,
but
>here's the fun stuff:
>
time
>: to form an ATXF Chamber of Commerce. Let's see:
>
>: Town Shrinks: Doc Karen and Doc Eap
>: Town Pedant: Professor Nick
>: Town Toothpuller: Doc Aay
>: Ye Olde Storekeeper: nobody we care to claim, though the spammers
all
>: want to sell us something
>
>: Town Librarian: Forgot your names but I know we have enough
for
>: references, periodicals, a children's section and much more.
>
>to prove it!...;)
>
>: Town Matchmakers: Stef and Lisa
>: Town Reptile: Crunchy Frog
>: Town Jesters: deb or whatever, and rufie
>: Needs classification: Gizzie
>
>: And many more I'm surely forgetting.
>
>
>--
>Paul Wartenberg-------------------- | -----All Done.--------
>z004...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us | -----Bye-Bye.---------
>vill...@icanect.net--------------- | ----------------------
>-----Jeremiah Smith Lives---------- | -----X-FILES----------
>-----Freedom is in the mind and the spirit------------------
>-----The body still must break the chains.-----------------
Town Marshal: Defender of the Rules - Chris Williams
Town Shrinks: From the T-F Brigade - Shanna and Charlotte
Ny
Leigh A Vrabel
On 14 Nov 1996, Portia wrote:
>
> In <56e6he$g...@bolivia.earthlink.net> Gia Gittleson
> <gi...@earthlink.net> writes:
> >
> >Do we have a midwife, minister, coroner, witch, warlock, school marm,
> >tinker (we;ve got a tailor, i think), soldier, spy, butcher, thief,
> >candlemaker, sheriff, deputy?
> >
> >However, I do know, I want to be the Western Union, uh, Woman! may I
> >please, please, pretty please?
> >
> >best,
> >Gia
>
> Consider it done. Gia, WUW: our communicator
> in Moose (and Squirrel) Code.
>
With all due respect, I would like to be the Log Lady...:)
Leigh Anne
CHERYL-LEE E CE CAMPBELL
I'll be town seamstress.... provided I get to sew up Mulder's pants!
Squirrel
Hey Jude
CHERYL-LEE E CE CAMPBELL wrote:
>
> I'll be town seamstress.... provided I get to sew up Mulder's pants!
>
> Squirrel
I kinda had that position 'sewn up' but I'll make a deal with you, we
can open a shop together - you sew Mulder's and I'll sew Skinner's!
mis...@aol.com
>>
>> I'll be town seamstress.... provided I get to sew up Mulder's pants!
>>
>> Squirrel
>
>I kinda had that position 'sewn up' but I'll make a deal with you, we
>can open a shop together - you sew Mulder's and I'll sew Skinner's!
>--
>Jude Dettmann
I think you two ladies will be plenty busy -- I suspect Mulder
and Skinner's pants are going to get ripped off their bodies
quite often in XVille.
Wish I knew how to sew...hey, Squirrel, can I be your "girl",
and do all the inseam measurements?