OT - AOL Poll: Is Obama exploiting racial tensions for political benefit?
briansa...@gmail.com
Interactive poll on AOL asking: Is Obama exploiting racial tensions
for political benefit?
Kind of a no-brainer, but as of this posting results are at:
68% YES
30% NO
2% Not Sure
24,486 nation-wide respondents.
Bob Rudd
@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, briansa...@gmail.com says...
Brian,
While I always say to trust no public poll, I have to add that online
polls are the least reliable of all, IMHO. Even exit polls are more
reliable than online polls and I regard exit polls as almost 100 percent
unreliable.
The only poll that really counts is the Electoral map and I'm enjoying
looking at mine each time I do so. ;-)
--
I hope we can all be good neighbors online!
intang...@yahoo.com
tensions...
...By being black.
Bob Rudd
a5a9e4...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, intang...@yahoo.com
says...
> In the tiny minds of you cracker morons, Obama is exploiting racial
> tensions...
>
> ...By being black.
>
Given that he is conducting voter registration drives, largely, only in
predominantly black areas, has specifically had representatives speak
about if he loses it's because of race etc., you don't think he's
exploiting racial tensions?
He is as guilty of it as anyone else, perhaps moreso than anyone else.
Salad
> In article <e96bc3f1-ac2c-421e-83af-
> a5a9e4...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, intang...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
>>In the tiny minds of you cracker morons, Obama is exploiting racial
>>tensions...
>>
>>...By being black.
>>
>
>
> Given that he is conducting voter registration drives, largely, only in
> predominantly black areas, has specifically had representatives speak
> about if he loses it's because of race etc., you don't think he's
> exploiting racial tensions?
I listened to his interview on 60 Minutes last night. From what he
said, you're full of prune juice.
Locutus
"Salad" <o...@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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> Bob Rudd wrote:
>> In article <e96bc3f1-ac2c-421e-83af-
>> a5a9e4...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, intang...@yahoo.com
>> says...
>>
>>>In the tiny minds of you cracker morons, Obama is exploiting racial
>>>tensions...
>>>
>>>...By being black.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Given that he is conducting voter registration drives, largely, only in
>> predominantly black areas, has specifically had representatives speak
>> about if he loses it's because of race etc., you don't think he's
>> exploiting racial tensions?
>
> I listened to his interview on 60 Minutes last night. From what he said,
> you're full of prune juice.
>
So did I. Do you expect him to come out and say it? Be realistic here.
Bob Rudd
o...@vinegar.com says...
> Bob Rudd wrote:
> > In article <e96bc3f1-ac2c-421e-83af-
> > a5a9e4...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, intang...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >
> >>In the tiny minds of you cracker morons, Obama is exploiting racial
> >>tensions...
> >>
> >>...By being black.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Given that he is conducting voter registration drives, largely, only in
> > predominantly black areas, has specifically had representatives speak
> > about if he loses it's because of race etc., you don't think he's
> > exploiting racial tensions?
>
> I listened to his interview on 60 Minutes last night. From what he
> said, you're full of prune juice.
I missed that interview. Football, family and the arrival of our
Austrailian exchange student took precedence. However, given that Obama
has run different versions of the same commercial in geographic areas
according to the racial majority makeup of those areas, I wouldn't be
surprised if he "explained" (lied) his way around anything related to
his use of race to his advantage in this campaign.
Such is the case as NBC reported last week of Obama supporters
conducting voter registration drives based in localities with large,
majority, numbers of black registrants. They went so far as to show
Obama voter registration people speaking only to blacks about
registration during the report.
Bob Rudd
<7t6dnVuajpgcLErV...@posted.nuvoxcommunications>,
locutu...@hotmail.com says...
Realistically, if Obama had been white, it's highly unlikely he would
have beaten Hillary for the nomination, much less even had been a
candidate for it.
Race, as a third rail issue, cuts many ways. Few are willing to be
candidly and transparently honest about it and it's impact/meaning with
regards to the nomination and election process.
Salad
Bob does. "has specifically had representatives speak about if he loses
it's because of race".
It's true tho. We all know that if he loses it will be due to race.
Salad
Well, Republicans aren't the party for blacks. We both know that. So
why not try to get a few more votes from them?
Bob Rudd
o...@vinegar.com says...
If he loses it will be because the majority of Americans believed he was
unqualified for the office and that his positions were not reflective of
the will of the majority.
Ok, now that we've both danced our steps around the floor on this, let's
be real. If Obama loses, there will always be those who will say it's
because he was black, just as there will be those who will do the same
if he wins.
How racist is it to appeal for votes based on his race relative to
anyone who will vote against him based on his race? To my mind, both
are equal and reflective of racist views held by those who vote for, or
against, anyone as a result of race.
Much has been made of the Bradley Effect as it is likely to impact
Election Day with Obama. At the same time, there is a reverse Bradley
Effect that works in his favor. The numbers of black voters who are
voting, and registering to vote, for him just because of his race are,
really, no different than non-blacks who may go into the booth and pull
the lever for his opponent. The principle difference is that we know
their numbers before Election Day, while in the second group, we won't
know until the votes are counted. Neither is right in what they are
doing and both are, IMHO, reflective of racist behaviors and attitudes.
About the only thing that is more spot on than anything else is that if
he were not black, he likely would not have been a serious candidate for
the nomination. That's political reality.
Bob Rudd
I understand where you're coming from although I disagree with you.
Don't you think that the black vote has been taken for granted by the
Democratic Party for some time, to the detriment of the black voters
over time?
Realistically, I'm simply saying that it's just as racist to appeal for
votes based solely on one's race as it is to do so against someone based
solely on it. For the most part, everyone's doing a tap dance around
this. Those who candidly raise these issues almost always are called
racists as a result but the truth is the truth, whether the majority of
us care to admit it to ourselves, or not.
Salad
What does the Republican party have to offer blacks?
Where would the whites flee if the blacks joined their party?
Your last convention was a sea of white...not representative of the US.
> Realistically, I'm simply saying that it's just as racist to appeal for
> votes based solely on one's race as it is to do so against someone based
> solely on it. For the most part, everyone's doing a tap dance around
> this. Those who candidly raise these issues almost always are called
> racists as a result but the truth is the truth, whether the majority of
> us care to admit it to ourselves, or not.
If the Republicans offered something to the black people in this nation
they'd have more blacks in their party. If Republicans do, their
message is muted and not getting traction.
Newk Indofman
"Bob Rudd" <bob...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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It sure does. If McCain were black, he wouldn't have won the nomination. If
Palin were black, you wouldn't see the right wing lined up behind her.
I like this game, Bobby!
Newk Indofman
What's wrong with that? I know that, besides blacks, thousands upon
thousands of young people (all colors) have been registered to vote. You
have a problem with that, too?
Newk Indofman
Obama hasn't appealed for votes solely based on his race (which isn't
"black", but bi-racial or multi-racial). That's what you see because you're
racist to begin with. Don't tell me if your candidate were black that a host
of Republicans wouldn't be voting outside the party nomination.
Bob Rudd
newk.i...@somewhere.org says...
Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas in the top tier of qualified black
moderates/conservatives would easily win the Republican nomination if
they chose to be candidates. That includes J.C. Watts and others in the
second tier of potential candidates.
Bob Rudd
They would not be taken for granted, as they presently are, by the
Democratic Party, for starters and that's important. When you're the
attractive new kid to the group, you're always going to do better than
when you're the long term member who can always be counted on and is
taken for granted.
>
> Where would the whites flee if the blacks joined their party?
Nowhere. You're comment in fact suggests that Republicans are racists
and that's neither true or fair. We're discussing, actually,
differences of philosophies between conservatism and liberalism in
actuality.
>
> Your last convention was a sea of white...not representative of the US.
Hardly, I was there and there were many minorities represented and shown
on television.
>
> > Realistically, I'm simply saying that it's just as racist to appeal for
> > votes based solely on one's race as it is to do so against someone based
> > solely on it. For the most part, everyone's doing a tap dance around
> > this. Those who candidly raise these issues almost always are called
> > racists as a result but the truth is the truth, whether the majority of
> > us care to admit it to ourselves, or not.
>
> If the Republicans offered something to the black people in this nation
> they'd have more blacks in their party. If Republicans do, their
> message is muted and not getting traction.
>
>
Do you agree though, that both parties are tap dancing around race?
Bob Rudd
newk.i...@somewhere.org says...
I favor mandatory voting, Newk, where if you did not vote, you would pay
a stiff fine. I have no problem with people voting and registering as
soon as they are able to do so. I have a problem, though, with
targeting registration in a racially profiling manner as the Democrats
are currently doing. I have a problem with their attempts to register
jailed convicts, convicted felons as well as institutionalize mental
patients as well.
Bob Rudd
newk.i...@somewhere.org says...
Obama is most definitely appealing for votes on a racial basis. He uses
racially based advertising as well.
Salad
Better to be taken for granted than not wanted.
>>Where would the whites flee if the blacks joined their party?
>
> Nowhere. You're comment in fact suggests that Republicans are racists
> and that's neither true or fair. We're discussing, actually,
> differences of philosophies between conservatism and liberalism in
> actuality.
I remember the Bob Jones and the whispering campaign of McCain's "nigger
baby" by the Republicans in 2000. You guys haven't changed. Why did
the whites flee the Democratic party after blacks were given their
rights in 1965? You can discuss philosophies till the cows come home
but if your party doesn't want the blacks don't expect them to join you.
>>Your last convention was a sea of white...not representative of the US.
>
> Hardly, I was there and there were many minorities represented and shown
> on television.
I was at home watching it, Bob. I don't know what you consider "many
minorities". Were they the parking lot attendants or the wait staff?
They weren't on TV, that's for sure. Again, a failed message you guys
put out to the world.
I will admit you had 136 minoriy delegates at your convention. Less
than the last convention. Less! In 2004 you had 155. How many total
delegates did you have? I know you needed about 1900 for McCain to be
nominated. So your delegate count, was it about 4% minority. Or less?
The Republican party is white. It should have a White Power flag as its
symbol.
>>>Realistically, I'm simply saying that it's just as racist to appeal for
>>>votes based solely on one's race as it is to do so against someone based
>>>solely on it. For the most part, everyone's doing a tap dance around
>>>this. Those who candidly raise these issues almost always are called
>>>racists as a result but the truth is the truth, whether the majority of
>>>us care to admit it to ourselves, or not.
>>
>>If the Republicans offered something to the black people in this nation
>>they'd have more blacks in their party. If Republicans do, their
>>message is muted and not getting traction.
>
> Do you agree though, that both parties are tap dancing around race?
No. Your party will make one of race. To the best of your, and Rove's,
ability.
Newk Indofman
He does not. However, McCain's ads routinely use lies and distortions, as
you are doing right now.
intang...@yahoo.com
> Given that he is conducting voter registration drives
...in communities with historically low turnout.
Nothing scares a Republican more than minorities voting
intang...@yahoo.com
> How racist is it to appeal for votes based on his race relative to
> anyone who will vote against him based on his race? To my mind, both
> are equal and reflective of racist views
That's because you're an idiot. It terrifies Republicans that this
election isn't solely in the hands of white men.
intang...@yahoo.com
> Where would the whites flee if the blacks joined their party?
LOL...they sure as hell fled to the GOP when civil rights became the
cause of southern Dems.
I love it when R's try to suggest that the old racist South was
solidly Democratic.
True to a point...except all those old racist Dems became Republican
when the Jim Crow jig was up.
Newk Indofman
<intang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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+++++++++++
And within a few decades, white Republicans will get to *be* a minority. I
love that!
Salad
Bob Rudd
I'm very proud of those ads that I've had input and/or approval on,
prior to the candidate's signing off. Thank you very, very much!
Bob Rudd
newk.i...@somewhere.org says...
>
> <intang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c91bfa9e-23be-42e7...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 22, 7:42 am, Bob Rudd <bobr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Given that he is conducting voter registration drives
>
>
> ...in communities with historically low turnout.
Those will be targeted counties for illegally registered voters who were
improperly signed up or who do not have legal standing to vote.
>
> Nothing scares a Republican more than minorities voting
Hardly, we're welcoming women, Hispanics and everyone else to vote this
year.
> +++++++++++
>
> And within a few decades, white Republicans will get to *be* a minority. I
> love that!
>
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Newk Indofman
Bob, you must have a terrible case of "E.D." to have to work so hard proving
your potency on an American Idol discussion group.
Nathan Sanders
<c91bfa9e-23be-42e7...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
"intang...@yahoo.com" <intang...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yup. There's a very good reason why the Republicans aren't out in
full force trying to get blacks registered to vote (and why they
complain about it when Democrats do it).
Nathan
Bob Rudd
@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, intang...@yahoo.com says...
What a crock of crap from you....but then again, I should consider the
source. You're not pretending to be Aleic today, what's up?