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Chris McFeely

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May 13, 2004, 5:31:52 PM5/13/04
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With this batch, I'm going back to the start of the DVD set, and
working forward. Unfortunately, the seven episodes I've covered here
have very few differences or things worth noting. "The God Gambit"'s
probably the best of all of them.

Here we go... don't expect anything too scintillating.

THE GOLDEN LAGOON

Um... nothing.


THE GOD GAMBIT

The guy who gives a small offering and says his family starves is
named Scrawney.

After Astrotrain declares himself "mightiest of all gods," but before
saying "All who defy me die," a short scene is cut where Talaria
believes Astrotrain is another of Jero's puppets, and tells Jero to
have his followers climb out. The next line is by Thrust, as he
mockingly comments to Astrotrain: "An insect is crawling on your leg."
Presumably Talaria was trying to climb him.

When Talaria is shooting arrows at Jazz and Perceptor, in between
Perceptor's deduction that the Decepticons arrived first, and Jazz's
request for her to stop shooting, a line from Talaria is dropped where
she realises her arrows are having no effect, and resigns herself to
her apparent fate, telling the two of them: "Go on, destroy me!"

Jazz's line, "Yeah, like no Decepticons to monkey around with your
beliefs," is not in the script. Instead, the episode ends with the
reactivated Cosmos saying: "Jazz? Perceptor? Omega Supreme? What
happened while I was out? Where'd you guys come from?" This comes
after Perceptor says, "I fixed him! He's working again," which in turn
comes after the acolyte says: "We have much to be thankful for,"
rather than before it, as in the finished episode.


MAKE TRACKS

The script identifies the Geddis Brothers by their names: Phil and
Jim. Can't identify the voice actors offhand, but Jim's the chubbier
guy who roughs Raoul up.

When Powerglide and Cosmos are chasing Starscream through the mall,
the script attributes the lines "Not so fast!" "First floor, movie
theatres, shoe stores and fast food restaurants!" and "I wish the
directory could show us where to find Starscream!" to Powerglide, but
Cosmos delivers them in the finished episode. Conversely, "Up there!"
is listed as Cosmos's line, but Powerglide says it in the episode.


CHILD'S PLAY

Until the alien kid tells the Autobots his name, he's just "Boy" in
the script. And his name isn't spelled the 'Earth' way, as has been
the prevailing way of spelling it up to now - he's Aron, not Aaron.

Bumblebee's line that explains for Aron who Megatron is isn't in the
original script. It just cuts back to the lab after Aron asks, "Who's
Megatron?"


QUEST FOR SURVIVAL

Bugger all for this episode, except that the third act originally
began with Soundwave picked up Cosmos's distress signal, rather than
Blaster trying out his music on the Morphobots, which comes a few
minutes later in the finished episode.

In the finished episode, at the end, Prime says, "Yes, they saved the
world from the Insecticons, but soon they'd be wanting the world
itself," but in the script, he says, "I know they saved the world from
the Insecticons, but I'm glad to be rid of the Morphobots just the
same."


THE SECRET OF OMEGA SUPREME

The doctor who checks Omega out is identified as "Robodoctor." That's
it.

God, this is a dull batch.

THE GAMBLER

Well, I'll be buggered. "Sleazardo" isn't spelled like that. It's
"Slizardo." How... boring. His dialect is called "alienese," in
quotation marks, meaning it's not the ACTUAL name of his language.
Thankfully. :)

And yeah - it's "Devcon."

In the finished episode, the second act ends as Prime's fight with the
Animalien begins. However, in the script, it wasn't due to end until
several minutes later, when Dirge and Ramjet attack Smokescreen, with
the line "Let's finish them together!"

At the episode's conclusion, Bosch calls Smokescreen "partner" again,
but the script calls for both Bosch AND Smokescreen to say the word at
the same time.


Well, that's it for this lot. Hopefully later scripts will turn up
some more interesting stuff - I'm curious to see if "The Search for
Alpha Trion" will hold anything.

Chris

Aaron F. Bourque

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May 14, 2004, 9:40:02 AM5/14/04
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From: ma...@troy49.freeserve.co.uk (Chris McFeely)

>And yeah - it's "Devcon."

Yeah, well, the script's wrong.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

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Mr. I. R. Caughn

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May 14, 2004, 2:35:52 PM5/14/04
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Chris McFeely wrote:

> When Powerglide and Cosmos are chasing Starscream through the mall,
> the script attributes the lines "Not so fast!" "First floor, movie
> theatres, shoe stores and fast food restaurants!" and "I wish the
> directory could show us where to find Starscream!" to Powerglide, but
> Cosmos delivers them in the finished episode.

It did always seem a rather strange line for Cosmos to come up with,
especially since PG is much more notorious for Bugs Bunny type stuff like
the ol' elevator routine. I had previously just classified it as a rare
example of neurotic lil' Cosmos loosening up with a wisecrack in the heat
of battle, but now that it turns out to have been little more than a mere
mix-up... well, that's just kinda sad.

Incidentally, I wonder how this unearthed info should be regarded
and/or integrated into the cartoon canon. Do we chalk it up to author
intent that Powerglide was supposed to say the line, which is necessarily
disregarded due to the fact that the final product clearly has Cosmos say
it, or should we consider the switched readings a production error and
attribute the line to PG, in the same way that no one really believes that
Soundwave was truly wearing an Autobot symbol for a few seconds in MTMTE?

> Well, I'll be buggered. "Sleazardo" isn't spelled like that. It's
> "Slizardo." How... boring.

Boring and rather unpleasant to look at, just from a word aesthetics
point of view. On the other hand, he really wasn't all that sleazy. Sure,
he had the eyepatch (which technically falls more under the category of
"swarthy"), but he generally seemed to be rather harmless and even oddly
affectionate. It's telling- though of what, I have no clue- that the
fandom at large settled upon adding the "sleaze" component to the name
almost unanimously. If nothing else, we're lucky we don't have a slander
suit on our hands...

--
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Kil - Michael McCarthy

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May 14, 2004, 4:58:34 PM5/14/04
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Iacon wrote...

> Incidentally, I wonder how this unearthed info should be regarded
>and/or integrated into the cartoon canon. Do we chalk it up to author
>intent that Powerglide was supposed to say the line, which is necessarily
>disregarded due to the fact that the final product clearly has Cosmos say
>it, or should we consider the switched readings a production error and
>attribute the line to PG, in the same way that no one really believes that
>Soundwave was truly wearing an Autobot symbol for a few seconds in MTMTE?

I would say that while extremely minor dialouge glitches can be rightly
treated the same way as animation errors - I don't think Optimus "really"
called Trailbreaker "Trailblazer" or that Primacron's Assistant had "Sweep" on
his list of Primitives, for example - it would be going too far to take several
lines clearly spoken by one character and pretend they he didn't "really" say
them, that it was actually the guy standing next to him. Even if that was the
script's intent.

>It's telling- though of what, I have no clue- that the
>fandom at large settled upon adding the "sleaze" component to the name
>almost unanimously. If nothing else, we're lucky we don't have a slander
>suit on our hands...

"Grimlock's New Brain." Unless that was just another member of his race tag
teaming with the Skuxxoid, and the eye patch is like, a cultural thing rather a
personal necessity.


-Kil
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Onslaught Six

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May 14, 2004, 7:11:14 PM5/14/04
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"Mr. I. R. Caughn" <ia...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40A51188...@sympatico.ca>...

> Incidentally, I wonder how this unearthed info should be regarded
> and/or integrated into the cartoon canon. Do we chalk it up to author
> intent that Powerglide was supposed to say the line, which is necessarily
> disregarded due to the fact that the final product clearly has Cosmos say
> it, or should we consider the switched readings a production error and
> attribute the line to PG, in the same way that no one really believes that
> Soundwave was truly wearing an Autobot symbol for a few seconds in MTMTE?

Well, that depends on the actual relevance of the new information in
general.

For instance, I can probably think of a few instances where Megatron's
line about the Matrix (from...I forget which episode it was) might
actually come up in canon/continuity/etc. discussion...while
Powerglide and Cosmos saying a few lines in some random episode
probably won't come up at all. :P

Mark Brown

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May 15, 2004, 3:25:40 PM5/15/04
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"Mr. I. R. Caughn" <ia...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Chris McFeely wrote:
*SNIP*

> > Well, I'll be buggered. "Sleazardo" isn't spelled like that. It's
> > "Slizardo." How... boring.
> Boring and rather unpleasant to look at, just from a word aesthetics
> point of view. On the other hand, he really wasn't all that sleazy. Sure,
> he had the eyepatch (which technically falls more under the category of
> "swarthy"), but he generally seemed to be rather harmless and even oddly
> affectionate. It's telling- though of what, I have no clue- that the
> fandom at large settled upon adding the "sleaze" component to the name
> almost unanimously. If nothing else, we're lucky we don't have a slander
> suit on our hands...
> --
> Iacon (thank Primus for fictional characters)

And alien word meanings.

At least he's not Elaan Sleazebaggano.

Mark
"I don't wanna sell you deathsticks. . . I want to go home and. . . rethink
my life." --AotC


MetalFormer

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May 16, 2004, 12:32:56 AM5/16/04
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Hola:
Where did you get those scripts? The DVDs? BTW, thanks for sharing. I
like this kind of stuf and I like the title. :)

~ MetalFormer

Chris McFeely

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May 16, 2004, 7:18:04 AM5/16/04
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> Where did you get those scripts? The DVDs?

Yup, from the Region 2 release of Season 2, Part 2. It contains
twenty-five scripts, for the 25 episodes on the set ("The Golden
Lagoon" to "B.O.T.").

BTW, thanks for sharing. I
> like this kind of stuf and I like the title. :)

No problem. I'm enjoying discovering it all myself. :)

Chris

Mr. I. R. Caughn

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May 16, 2004, 1:37:17 PM5/16/04
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Kil - Michael McCarthy wrote:

> >It's telling- though of what, I have no clue- that the
> >fandom at large settled upon adding the "sleaze" component to the name
> >almost unanimously. If nothing else, we're lucky we don't have a slander
> >suit on our hands...
>
> "Grimlock's New Brain." Unless that was just another member of his race tag
> teaming with the Skuxxoid, and the eye patch is like, a cultural thing rather a
> personal necessity.

What, because working with the Skuxxoid is a sleazy thing to do? I wouldn't be
so hasty to make that value judgment without knowing more about his motivations--
for one thing, the Skuxxoid himself makes it painfully clear that he's actually
doing the merc job for his children (a custody battle with Mrs. Skuxxoid, yes,
yes?).

And even if it could be agreed that 'Zardo is being "sleazy" here, it's still
rather curious that it was assumed that he would have been named after that
sleaziness, as opposed to the more morality-neutral quality of his lizard body.
It's a psychological bias, really-- a generation raised on Good V. Evil cartoons
and after-school specials that more readily labels a charcter based on their
supposed ethical constitution, instead of the more objective, morphological aspects
of lizardness.

Anyhoo, his presence in GNB is rather strange, innit? Either he's working
undercover- and his suggestion that the Decepticons travel to Unicron's head had
some ulterior motive that never came to fruition- or Devcon's been killed in
action, leaving 'Zardo to fend for himself once more, wandering the universe in a
furtive attempt to do justice to his partner's legacy while resisting the more
mischievous urges of his old habits... hmm...

--
Iacon (<searches Lexicon>... Dammit, where the Slizardofic at?!)

Mr. I. R. Caughn

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May 16, 2004, 1:50:44 PM5/16/04
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Onslaught Six wrote:

> "Mr. I. R. Caughn" <ia...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40A51188...@sympatico.ca>...
>
> > Incidentally, I wonder how this unearthed info should be regarded
> > and/or integrated into the cartoon canon.
>

> Well, that depends on the actual relevance of the new information in
> general.

Fair enough. It's a little less objective that might seem prudent, and the idea of integration by
representation by population frightens me somewhat, but I suppose it *is* the more practical way to
go.

> For instance, I can probably think of a few instances where Megatron's
> line about the Matrix (from...I forget which episode it was) might
> actually come up in canon/continuity/etc. discussion...

Ah, but that actually makes the problem potentially worse. Now we could have people who had
always supported the idea of the Matrix claiming that it has been legitimized in the pre-Movie realm
by the almost-used scene. But on the other hand, people who had always criticized the abrupt
appearance of the Matrix would be more apt to ignore the scene because it never actually made it
through the final edit.

--
Iacon (it's the BM Megs putting back the G1 spark debacle all over again... except from twenty ago!)

Zobovor the Multi-Faceted

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May 17, 2004, 1:59:16 AM5/17/04
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Chris McFeely wrote:

>THE GOLDEN LAGOON
>
>Um... nothing.

Nothing changed at all? Absolutely no edits from the time the dialogue was
recorded to the finished episode? (You have to wonder if maybe they simply
couldn't secure the orignal script to this one, and fudged things a bit for the
sake of completeness by transcribing the final episode.)

(If nothing else, that whole "Teletraan computes the word 'electrum,' does that
mean anything to you?" sounds a lot like a last-minute rewrite to get around
the fact that Casey Kasem wasn't available to supply the computer's voice.
Always funny how Teletraan occasionally clams up and goes completely mute.)

>THE GOD GAMBIT
>
>The guy who gives a small offering and says his family starves is
>named Scrawney.

Heh heh heh heh heh heh.

He's one of my all-time favorite supporting characters now, just because of the
name. :)

>MAKE TRACKS
>
>The script identifies the Geddis Brothers by their names: Phil and
>Jim. Can't identify the voice actors offhand, but Jim's the chubbier
>guy who roughs Raoul up.

I know one of them is Chris Latta (sounding, basically, like a really sleazy
version of Wheeljack). I'm less sure about the other one. Mike McConnohie,
possibly.

>When Powerglide and Cosmos are chasing Starscream through the mall,
>the script attributes the lines "Not so fast!" "First floor, movie
>theatres, shoe stores and fast food restaurants!" and "I wish the
>directory could show us where to find Starscream!" to Powerglide, but
>Cosmos delivers them in the finished episode. Conversely, "Up there!"
>is listed as Cosmos's line, but Powerglide says it in the episode.

Aww. And here was me thinking that somebody had deliberately given Cosmos a
playful side. :P

>THE SECRET OF OMEGA SUPREME
>
>The doctor who checks Omega out is identified as "Robodoctor." That's
>it.

Well, that's... good to know. I guess. /:)

--
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Zobovor the Multi-Faceted

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May 17, 2004, 2:00:52 AM5/17/04
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Iacon wrote:

>It's telling- though of what, I have no clue- that the fandom at large settled

>upon adding the "sleaze" component to the name almost unanimously.

Hey, don't look at me. It sounded like "Sleazardo" to me when I was nine years
old, and I've been calling him that ever since. Not my fault the whole of the
fandom opted to follow in my pink bunny slippers.

Ethan Hammond

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May 17, 2004, 5:58:12 AM5/17/04
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"Zobovor the Multi-Faceted" <zob...@aol.comettor> wrote in message

>
> >THE GOLDEN LAGOON
> >
> >Um... nothing.
>
> Nothing changed at all? Absolutely no edits from the time the dialogue
was
> recorded to the finished episode? (You have to wonder if maybe they
simply
> couldn't secure the orignal script to this one, and fudged things a bit
for the
> sake of completeness by transcribing the final episode.)
>
> (If nothing else, that whole "Teletraan computes the word 'electrum,' does
that
> mean anything to you?" sounds a lot like a last-minute rewrite to get
around
> the fact that Casey Kasem wasn't available to supply the computer's voice.
> Always funny how Teletraan occasionally clams up and goes completely
mute.)

The Golden Lagoon is too fantastical to have any changes!!!!

--
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html


Kil - Michael McCarthy

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May 17, 2004, 9:46:20 AM5/17/04
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Iacon wrote...

>Anyhoo, his presence in GNB is rather strange, innit? Either he's working
>undercover- and his suggestion that the Decepticons travel to Unicron's head
>had
>some ulterior motive that never came to fruition- or Devcon's been killed in
>action, leaving 'Zardo to fend for himself once more, wandering the universe
>in a
>furtive attempt to do justice to his partner's legacy while resisting the
>more
>mischievous urges of his old habits... hmm...

According to the "Wreckers" comic, at some point Devcon dumped him and left him
floating in space. Why, it's not said, and whether that even happened in the
same continuity who the hell knows.

"Wreckers" was written it seems as a cartoon universe story, but is connected
to "Omega Point" by Apelinq, and that one seems written as a comic universe
story. Maybe they'll both end up integrated into the DW universe. Or not.

I have resolved to try not to think about this stuff anymore, coming to the
conclusion that it's pointless to try and make sense out of Transformers
continuity issues. Because there is, it would appear, no sense to be made.

I will of course, I'm almost certain, eventually fail to keep this resolution
and go back to trying to devise a multiverse structure that is actually logical
to me. I will of course, I'm almost certain, fail at this again.

Anyway, Slizardo still sounds more like "Sleazardo" or at least "Sleezardo"
than it's proper spelling to me.

Chris McFeely

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May 17, 2004, 11:26:11 AM5/17/04
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> Nothing changed at all? Absolutely no edits from the time the dialogue was
> recorded to the finished episode?

Nope.

(You have to wonder if maybe they simply
> couldn't secure the orignal script to this one, and fudged things a bit for the
> sake of completeness by transcribing the final episode.)

I doubt it very much. They clearly had to do this with the first page
of "Kremzeek!" and the font, layout and style don't match up at all.
The whole of the script for "The Golden Lagoon," however, matches
fine, and doesn't mispel anything, like the way the recreated page of
"Kremzeek!" spells Teletraan, Teletran. Plus they spell colour, color,
and it's a UK company. ;)

Oh, hold on! Here's one, tiny, little eency thing that I missed from
this script. When Beachcomber discovers the Electrum, the bird he's
just been 'talking' to is supposed to shrug it's wings and chirp a
"huh" sort of sound. That's not in the finished episode.

Chris

Chris McFeely

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May 17, 2004, 11:30:21 AM5/17/04
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> Nothing changed at all? Absolutely no edits from the time the dialogue was
> recorded to the finished episode?

Nope.

(You have to wonder if maybe they simply
> couldn't secure the orignal script to this one, and fudged things a bit for the
> sake of completeness by transcribing the final episode.)

I doubt it very much. They clearly had to do this with the first page

Shockwave 75

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May 17, 2004, 3:03:51 PM5/17/04
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"Mr. I. R. Caughn" <ia...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40A51188...@sympatico.ca>...

> Incidentally, I wonder how this unearthed info should be regarded
> and/or integrated into the cartoon canon.....

I'm not so sure that this "unearthed info" should be integrated at
all.

It's cool to know this stuff, but I have always been of the mind that
no matter what the writers/artists orginal intents were, if it didn't
make it into the finished product it didn't happen.

Like Shockwave's "death" in TF:TM, or like the whole Matix/No Matrix
debate from Beast Wars.

I know that Bob and Larry never intended for the object in Optimus
Prime's chest to be the Matrix, and that Rhinox's line "You can't take
his spark into your body, it has the Matrix with it, it's too
powerful!" was only supposed to mean that Prime had some kind of
special connection with the "Matrix afterlife" the Maximals believed
in. And that it was just artist error in referencing TF:TM for the
inside of Prime's chest.

Unfortunately both of those things: the classic appearance of the
Matrix, and Rhinox's words give the impression that it is indeed the
Autobot Matrix of Leadership.

I know people who aren't into the whole online fandom, so are unaware
of this info, and love that episode because of the appearance of the
Matrix, and because it changes Primal into Optimal Optimus just like
it changed Hot Rod into Rodimus Prime.

So while this new info is extremely cool, it really doesn't effect the
way I see the old episodes. Like I said before, if it didn't make it
into the finished product it never happened.

Aaron F. Bourque

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From: unic...@hotmail.com (Shockwave 75)

>I have always been of the mind that no matter what the
>writers/artists orginal intents were, if it didn't make it into the
>finished product it didn't happen.

{...}


>I know that Bob and Larry never intended for the object in
>Optimus Prime's chest to be the Matrix, and that Rhinox's line
>"You can't take his spark into your body, it has the Matrix with
>it, it's too powerful!" was only supposed to mean that Prime had
>some kind of special connection with the "Matrix afterlife" the
>Maximals believed in. And that it was just artist error in
>referencing TF:TM for the inside of Prime's chest.
>
>Unfortunately both of those things: the classic appearance of the
>Matrix, and Rhinox's words give the impression that it is indeed
>the Autobot Matrix of Leadership.

But that kind of proves that author intent IS important . . .


>I know people who aren't into the whole online fandom, so are
>unaware of this info, and love that episode because of the
>appearance of the Matrix, and because it changes Primal into
>Optimal Optimus just like it changed Hot Rod into Rodimus
>Prime.

Except that G1 Megatron's spark turns Transmetal Megatron into
Transmetal 2 Megatron . . . and there was no evidence he had a Decepticon
Matrix.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; but d00d, Cassette Tape
Guy is s0 c00l!!!

Velvet Glove

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May 17, 2004, 4:28:41 PM5/17/04
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"Mr. I. R. Caughn" <ia...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40A7A9F4...@sympatico.ca>...

>
> Ah, but that actually makes the problem potentially worse. Now we could have people who had
> always supported the idea of the Matrix claiming that it has been legitimized in the pre-Movie realm
> by the almost-used scene. But on the other hand, people who had always criticized the abrupt
> appearance of the Matrix would be more apt to ignore the scene because it never actually made it
> through the final edit.

Personally, I'm happy to accept that this isn't going to change
anybody's views about the Matrix itself, fun piece of trivia as it is.

What I *will* gleefully use it as evidence against is the line of
thought that the absence of most Movie characters/elements in Season 2
means that there must have been a breakdown of communication between
the film crew and the series crew. Apparently the fact that Flint
Dille was story consultant for both the Movie and Season 2 isn't
enough to make people twig that there must have been another reason
that Hot Rod, the Matrix, etc were never mentioned.

So what makes me curious is why it was cut. Now, I've long held the
theory that mentioning these Movie elements was forbidden, so that the
novelty wouldn't wear off before the Movie came out. However, since
the Matrix reference apparently made it to the recording stage, that
seems unlikely. From the description of the overall cut, I would
imagine that Megatron's translation was instead scrapped for running
time purposes; the plot managed without it, as is self-evident, so all
it provides is extra colour. Of course, if that's the case.... did
they realise they'd cut the Matrix line?

Now, it sounds daft, but it would be an easy enough thing to do,
particularly if that particular editor didn't realise the Matrix was
anything more than an extra bit of technobabble. Basically, I'm
wondering how deliberate a reference it was. Was it supposed to be a
teaser for the upcoming Movie? Did they anticipate that people would
reject the plot device feel of the Matrix if it wasn't already part of
the canon in *some* way (admittedly, a single mention in passing
wouldn't do much to establish it in people's minds)? Was it an early
but scrapped attempt to build up a series of references to the Matrix
until the Movie finally explained what the damned thing was?

Velvet Glove (who wishes she had money again; unfortunately, in the
DVDs vs House battle, the house wins everytime)

ShadowWing

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"Zobovor the Multi-Faceted" wrote

>
> Aww. And here was me thinking that somebody had deliberately given Cosmos
a
> playful side. :P

Well, this is the same bot who buzzes peoples houses in Flying Saucer
mode when he's bored. "Look! Space aliens!" (Well, duh.:)


Mr. I. R. Caughn

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May 18, 2004, 12:23:12 AM5/18/04
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"Aaron F. Bourque" wrote:

> From: unic...@hotmail.com (Shockwave 75)
>


> >I know that Bob and Larry never intended for the object in
> >Optimus Prime's chest to be the Matrix, and that Rhinox's line
> >"You can't take his spark into your body, it has the Matrix with
> >it, it's too powerful!" was only supposed to mean that Prime had
> >some kind of special connection with the "Matrix afterlife" the
> >Maximals believed in. And that it was just artist error in
> >referencing TF:TM for the inside of Prime's chest.
> >
> >Unfortunately both of those things: the classic appearance of the
> >Matrix, and Rhinox's words give the impression that it is indeed
> >the Autobot Matrix of Leadership.
>
> But that kind of proves that author intent IS important . . .

Not necessarily. I think that Mr. 75 has brought up a good point...
primarily because, when "Optimal Situation" first aired, I happened to be a
non-on-line viewer. There's a wide range of supplementary information to be
found, for some TF series more than others (with BW obviously at the most
potentially informative extreme), but at the end of the day, the only true
canonical medium is the finished product of the show. And in this case, the
finished product show a very Matrix-like object which was verbally associated
with the word "Matrix" and caused a very Matrix-esque metamorphosis-- with
nothing else to go on, the finished product really, really seems to be
pointing towards one logical conclusion.

The authors may not have intended that conclusion, but, entropically
speaking, the author's intentions are a potentially more mutable source of
information- subject to the vagary's of human consciousness, as they are-
than the hard, cold celluloid and the latter must necessarily take precedent,
says I (just imagine if, fifty years from now, Mr. Furman succumbs to
Alzheimer's and gives a Botcon interview in which it is revealed that Liege
Maximo was always meant to be Donny Finkleberg-- we gotta get these canon
laws straight now, lest the horrors consume us in the amazing years to come).

But let's not stir that one up again-- the point is that editted script
segments are a type of information that is similar in prevalence to Mr.
Forward and Mr. DiTillio's various commentaries (actually, significantly less
prevalent, since we're only learning about them now after twenty years), and
even though they are technically closer to the finished product in that they
were actual lines spoken by VAs, they should probably be considered in a
similar vein.

> >I know people who aren't into the whole online fandom, so are
> >unaware of this info, and love that episode because of the
> >appearance of the Matrix, and because it changes Primal into
> >Optimal Optimus just like it changed Hot Rod into Rodimus
> >Prime.
>
> Except that G1 Megatron's spark turns Transmetal Megatron into
> Transmetal 2 Megatron . . . and there was no evidence he had a Decepticon
> Matrix.

... except for the evidence that his spark turned Transmetal Megatron
into Transmetal 2 Megatron... ;-)

--
Iacon

ShadowWing

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"Shockwave 75" wrote

>
> I'm not so sure that this "unearthed info" should be integrated at
> all.

I'd at least accept the official spellings, like "Slizardo". I used to
spell Pidge (from Voltron) as "Pyg", and so did a friend of mine. We were
wrong, apparently. When the non-cartoon stories started coming out (coloring
books, comics, sticker book, View-Master), the official spelling was
revealed.

I only accept what events were pretty much referenced in the final
material. If we go with the writer's original intent rather than what he/she
ended up using, "City on the Edge of Forever" was a different Star Trek
episode, from what I hear, and rather out of character for certain
characters.


Mark Brown

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"Kil - Michael McCarthy" <michae...@aol.commscout1> wrote in message
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> Iacon wrote...
> >Anyhoo, his presence in GNB is rather strange, innit? Either he's working
> >undercover- and his suggestion that the Decepticons travel to Unicron's
head
> >had
> >some ulterior motive that never came to fruition- or Devcon's been killed
in
> >action, leaving 'Zardo to fend for himself once more, wandering the
universe
> >in a
> >furtive attempt to do justice to his partner's legacy while resisting the
> >more
> >mischievous urges of his old habits... hmm...
> According to the "Wreckers" comic, at some point Devcon dumped him and
left him
> floating in space.

Actually, it's only implied. Slizardo's "scaly hide" could easily have been
"floating in space" inside his own luxury ship, surrounded by beautiful
females bearing him dozens of fat children.

*SNIP*


> Anyway, Slizardo still sounds more like "Sleazardo" or at least
"Sleezardo"
> than it's proper spelling to me.

Maybe it's French ("i" is pronounced "ee").

Mark
"Wondering if the frelling construction workers outside could ~be~ any
louder."


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