Beneficial side effect of ... EPO? B12/FA? Q10?
JRStern
As a controlled experiment this sux, but I think it noteworthy anyway.
Been taking evening primrose oil since 11/97, B12/FA since, um, I
forget, say 3/98, recently added coenyme Q10. They all seem to help
at least a little, and I noticed they all help me feel a little better
overall, too -- I no longer get the kick from stresstabs (clones,
actually, a popular b-complex formula available everywhere), because I
always feel "kicked" -- that is, normal.
So, here's the thing. For the first time since 11/97, I took my
favorite little five mile hike thru the hills, uphill to a little
waterfall, up a little further to a viewpoint, then around and back
down. I've done this hike for ten, fifteen years -- well before I
ever had any p. So, I know how fast I can go, how tired I get, how
sore I get the next day if I'm not in practice.
So, I was planning to take it slow and suffer the consequences the
next day. Well, I went. The flowers were blooming, the trail is
overgrown from El Nino rains, and I made it in decent time, and felt
less tired than I think I've *ever* felt. Since I've been getting to
the gym too infrequently, and it doesn't usually prepare me for this
hike anyway, my cardiovascular endurance is far better than it "ought
to be". The next day, I had barely a twinge of soreness.
I have to attribute this to one or all of the nutritional supplements
I've been taking for p. Anybody else have a similar experience?
J.
TheShanty
>I've been taking for p. Anybody else have a similar experience?
I am not really ready to say, as I too have no scientific evidence, but this
addtion of either the EPRO gel caps and / or the Co Enzyme, has actually or
something has actually started to make a difference on my breakout on my
stomach and sides. now, I do not want to imply to anyone that this is the
reason, but the 100 little dime size patches on my stomach seem to be
flattening a bit and my sides, after just a shower yesterday seem to be a bit
less thick this morning. I do not want to imply that it is the EPRO and CO
Q10, but those are the only things I have added to my supplements in the last
10 days or so. Two dime size spots on my shoulders are all most completly
gone.
I certainly hope I have found something that will finally work for me VIA
vitamins and supplements. Also, we ate a big Rib Eye Roast last night with
Mashed potatoes and corn, with whole wheat rolls. These are things that I
normally see a breakout within 12-24 hours later and unscientifically, it does
not seem to be happening or contributing too.
VERY UNSCIENTIFIC, just thought I would mention it since you asked.
Scott
Johnny Lea
In article <6mk3or$qf6$1...@news-2.news>, JRStern <JRS...@gte.net> writes
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-Hello JR
yes there is a positive improvement in my physical capability also
I do feel as a result of the vitamin intake in my case B12 folic A only-
Johnny Lea
JRStern
On 22 Jun 1998 16:08:45 GMT, thes...@aol.com (TheShanty) wrote:
>I am not really ready to say, as I too have no scientific evidence, but this
>addtion of either the EPRO gel caps and / or the Co Enzyme, has actually or
>something has actually started to make a difference on my breakout on my
>stomach and sides. now, I do not want to imply to anyone that this is the
>reason, but the 100 little dime size patches on my stomach seem to be
>flattening a bit and my sides, after just a shower yesterday seem to be a bit
>less thick this morning. I do not want to imply that it is the EPRO and CO
>Q10, but those are the only things I have added to my supplements in the last
>10 days or so. Two dime size spots on my shoulders are all most completly
>gone.
Sounds like (a) primrose oil, and (b) your rebound is settling down.
Maybe (b) was ready to happen anyway, ...
So far I can't claim any clearing from any of these nutrients, but
they have each helped markedly with manageability, at least a step or
three in the right direction. A couple of smaller spots keep
*threatening* to clear, but so far, nope.
Glad you're finally seeing some non-SC improvement, anyway.
J.
Steve Cassidy
In article <6mk3or$qf6$1...@news-2.news>, JRS...@gte.net (JRStern) wrote:
> Anybody else have a similar experience?
Kinda-sorta. Same profile without the mysterious Q10. Last year I was
doing up to 100 miles a week by pushbike, at extreme speeds through
central London traffic: a near-ideal cardio workout, or so it seemed at
the end of that period.
Now, I don't do it. Blame El Nino weather over here, or the fact that my
commute is now about 500 yards instead of an 8 mile round trip: but I
don't do it. Now, I got well attuned to the way I would go off form on
even the shortest break - a speedo on the bike makes you obsessive about
this - and there's no doubt that I have been slower at going off form now
that I'm on the EPO/B-12/Folic combo.
JRStern
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:05:40 GMT, cass...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Steve
Cassidy") wrote:
>> Anybody else have a similar experience?
>
>Kinda-sorta.
Sounds good to me!
>Same profile without the mysterious Q10.
I thought I noticed the effects at the gym before the Q10, but didn't
do my biggest test until after the Q10. Now, going to the gym, I
think I'm yet better off than I was before it.
If this is right, then I think the EPO, B12/FA, and Q10 are additive
in no particular order, as far as athletic performance goes. This
seems to more or less parallel their effects on my p, within the
limits of my one-man experiment, confirmed as best we can against
others on this newsgroup.
I find it most interesting. Before I started on these things six
months ago, I had no familiarity with or belief in these vitamins and
supplements, beyond taking a few antioxidants and stresstabs for good
luck. I knew that some serious atheletes and bodybuilders were
finding real benefits from various and sundry supplements (even from
patterns of eating normal high-protein meals at the right time of day
vis a vis their workouts), to a degree unknown twenty years ago. Now,
I am finding these things bear a real looking-into.
--
Thanks for the story!
J.
Olive Eye
It is now 30 days since I added CoQ10 to my B12/Folic acid regimen... and
unfortunately I am seeing NO change, no effect either way. The B12/FA
continues to help quite a bit, and I will next try increasing theB12/FA, by
another daily 1000mcg and 800mcg respectively.
For the past 4-5 months I've been taking 2000mcg daily of b12 sublingually,
plus 800mcg folic acid 3x daily; plus a good quality Multi-Vitamin (having a
little bit more b12 and folic, but more importantly it has the other B-vitamins
to help balance the B12). I saw major improvements starting within 2 weeks,
but then it leveled off at about 6 weeks. As I said at the beginning, the
addition of CoQ10 for 30 days has made no difference.
D. Sipler
Hi All,
I haven't been checking in much lately what with vacations and such. On
the B12/FA/CoQ10 scene. I continue to due the regimen that many of you
are trying as well. I had increased the CoQ10 to 200mg a day and
recently added 100mg of B6 which is said to increase the absorption of
the CoQ10. I will admit that I have not seen the sustained improvement
from the oral
CoQ10. I have forged on reading the hundreds of papers written on CoQ10.
It may have to be taken in much larger doses and over a prolonged period
to see result from ingested CoQ10.
One Paper talked about some excellent results with the topical use of
CoQ10 on the gums for periodontal disease. I even gave the info to my
dentist who's mother has suffered with it for years.
This prompted me to try CoQ10 directly on a couple of lesions topically.
I purchased Solgar 30mg CoQ10 in softgel capsules. In these the CoQ10 is
in an oil base.
I poked a hole in the end of the capsule and squeezed the yellowish oil
out and rubbed it into a couple of small lesions on my butt that I had
never been able to get rid of. I did this routine once a day for three
days. During this time they got redder and the scales came off. It has
been three days since I stopped applying it and the lesions have faded
to near normal skin color and texture.
This is obviously to soon to call it a magic bullet but I'm encouraged
and thought you may want to give it a try.
Best Regards
Don
JRStern
On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:15:44 -0700, "D. Sipler"
<dsc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>This prompted me to try CoQ10 directly on a couple of lesions topically.
>I purchased Solgar 30mg CoQ10 in softgel capsules. In these the CoQ10 is
>in an oil base.
>I poked a hole in the end of the capsule and squeezed the yellowish oil
>out and rubbed it into a couple of small lesions on my butt that I had
>never been able to get rid of. I did this routine once a day for three
>days. During this time they got redder and the scales came off. It has
>been three days since I stopped applying it and the lesions have faded
>to near normal skin color and texture.
>This is obviously to soon to call it a magic bullet but I'm encouraged
>and thought you may want to give it a try.
Interesting. I have yet to try the primrose oil topically, since
several sources have said it wouldn't help, but Q10 topically?????
Please, keep us posted!
J.