Re: NEWS: now it's sexist to have rules in schools?
Kent_AOL
>For example, he proposes that the high school give students credit for
>playing sports, not just for art and drama courses.
Um, has he not heard of "P E Class", which (AFAIK) is graded? "Art and
drama classes" would be the equivalent of PE, not of "playing a sport",
which would equate to "being in a play as an extracurricular activity".
>He also urges that
>students be allowed to take classes on a pass/fail basis to encourage
>more boys to enroll in advanced classes without risking their grade point
>average.
Hmmm....isn't the whole POINT of such classes to make you work harder
for that grade? Anyway, I thought AP classes gave extra grade points,
so "risking their GPA" should be evened out. However, I can't keep up
with all the mumbo-jumbo going on in schools nowadays (and I don't have
to, because...).
Somehow the "decorate your notebook to get a good grade" doesn't
surprise me in these "Selfuhsteem is Everything!" days.
Kent
Gillian White
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> Here's an odd article I just found: some kid is suing his school for
> discrimination against boys. He's got a mix of good points (the hall
> pass rule should apply to both genders equally and grading students on
> notebook decoration is silly) and bad points (breaking rules is
> inherently male? sitting down and paying attention is inherently
> female?). His dad wants all the boys at the school to have their grades
> retroactively raised.
Just finished reading a book called 'The War Against Boys'.
I don't approve of frivolous lawsuits, but after reading this book, I have
to wonder if the boys might have a point.
Gillian
leno...@yahoo.com
kids against their parents with regard to *unpaid* child labor? I ask
because certainly every kid over ten has dreamed of filing one so as to
get out of non-paying household chores. However, I seem to remember
hearing of a case, circa the 1990s, of a teen who sued his parents for
smoking in the house, so it made me wonder if there weren't quite a few
other cases like that.
Lenona.
Gillian White
news:1138378863.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
There was one last year when a kid sued his school for giving him some 12th
grade prep homework and thus ruining his summer holiday.
Gillian
leno...@yahoo.com
>grade prep homework and thus ruining his summer holiday.
>Gillian
Yes, well, I'm assuming his parents supported him on that one.
(Surprise surprise.) I'm more interested in the cases of kids vs.
parents. Of course, it IS possible to give kids too much work,
especially if it starts to interfere with school or sleep. Not to
mention that I seem to remember something about the laws mentioning a
kid's right to play, not just go to school.
Lenona.
elizabeth
Boys are useless now. Used to be those badboyz would just drop out of
school and join the military, go adventuring, take high risk jobs, that
sort of thing. Wasn't that long ago that most kids weren't even
educated, and the push to make all kids the same is the reason that
boys SEEM to be 'discriminated' against. It's just that they are
useless now, since we don't need farmworkers and others just for muscle
power. We can't use most of those excess for soldiers either, since
warfare has changed a great deal in the past few generations.
Funny thing is that if a woman had brought up the fact that boys are
more disruptive, we'd be 'malebashing' but when men complain that we
aren't letting them get away with murder, it's somehow women's fault .
. . so why do males do almost all of the violent crimes? So should be
simply eliminate crimes like rape and assault because it's mostly men
who do them, and this somehow discriminates against men? Should we
drop charges in crimes that mostly men commit until we have 50-50
parity in prisons?
Maybe the young litigator and the idiot who wrote that stupid book
should ask themselves why men kill themselves more, too. Why are men
assholes? Should we raise girls to be just as violent, to make him
happy?
elizabeth
get enlightened. There is no 'war on boys' at all. Boys are used to
war on other boys, that's always been the way it works. You dump the
ones that don't get along/aren't rich into whatever military there is,
use them as cannon fodder so the old men get all the young girls. The
thing is now we don't need excess muscle for war, farming, or much of
anything, so the males who don't make the cut are left to cause
trouble.
Fact is, until it was made mandatory that all children stay in school,
many of them didn't go very far and thus didn't have much of a chance
to be 'discriminated' against.
As for why males create most of the havoc and violence in the world,
well, when us feminazis talk about it we're called 'manhaters' but when
men complain about other men, somehow that's our fault, and of course,
none of this is the poor menfolk's responsibility.
Feh.
The world has changed, and men simply aren't cost-effective. You can
understand why the Babylonians castrated the ones they needed to run
most of the government. Maybe that's the solution. Since we don't need
extra muscle, just castrate 'em before they start acting up. Or kill
them like calves born to dairy cows, turn 'em into veal because they
simply have no function. I'm only saying, in the wild, most of the
males never breed and are considered disposable. And I didn't invent
DNA, and what are men but genetically incomplete women?
Jason G
says...
>what are men but genetically incomplete women?
Running the world.
Too funny that you call men such beasts and irrelevant, when it is only men's
sense of morals that keeps us from just beating the shit out of women like you
and raping the good-looking ones as we please. Y'know, like it used to be.
Until men decided not to. Such beasts we are.
Woof.
--
Jason G
Delain
> class notes and decorate their notebooks with glitter and feathers.
> ''You can't expect a boy to buy pink paper and frills to decorate their
> notebooks," Little said.
So don't. Paint it like it's a subway car and you're a tagger. Pay a
younger sibling to fingerpaint it. Slap "Property Condemned" & "No
Trespassing" stickers on it. Run your bike tires, skate wheels,
favorite athletic shoes, whatever else you can think of through wet
paint and stamp your notebook. I think Kelli Little is having a
failure of imagination.
Karen M
Omixochitl <omixoch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here's an odd article I just found: some kid is suing his school for
> discrimination against boys. He's got a mix of good points (the hall
> pass rule should apply to both genders equally and grading students on
> notebook decoration is silly) and bad points (breaking rules is
> inherently male? sitting down and paying attention is inherently
> female?). His dad wants all the boys at the school to have their grades
> retroactively raised.
>
>
> http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/01/26/schoolboys_bias_suit
> /?p1=MEWell_Pos1
>
>
> Superintendent Magdalene Giffune said the school system will not consider
> changing the community-service requirement. ''It's an important part of
> teaching students to be responsible citizens," she said.
So, those of us who made it through the average American high school
before community service requirements were trendy aren't responsible
citizens? Interesting.
Karen
Jules W.
I don't approve of frivolous lawsuits, but after reading this book, I
have
to wonder if the boys might have a point. >
Wasn't there a book exactly like this, published about seven years ago,
that detailed how the system was stacked against girls? "Reviving
Ophelia? The Sommers book ("War") sounds like a delayed backlash
against this first argument.
Whatever merit some of its points may have, the lawsuit is absurd in
its quest to raise all the boys' grades. Some of those 'lil bastids
would have failed no matter what.
I agree that everyone should be treated equally in the halls but a lot
of this is just nuts. How is anyone supposed to teach with kids
climbing around like 'lil monkeys? Better yet, how are the boys
supposed to learn if they're all climbing around like 'lil monkeys?
And what about the shy and bookish boys? Are they not also male? How
are they supposed to benefit from the proposed changes?
Jules W.
trezr...@yahoo.com
think or not be bad! ME MALE! Me not follow RULES! Rules is for girls!
ME MALE! *grunt* *snort* Male can do what he want - that only fair,
since male can't control himself! Teacher bad for saying 'sit down and
shut up'. Me hit teacher! Show that uppity bitch what's what! ME
MALE! *snort*'
K
Rabbit
>> Somehow the "decorate your notebook to get a good grade" doesn't
>> surprise me in these "Selfuhsteem is Everything!" days.
>
Well, duh. How do you expect them to become proficient in the
ever-so-important task of scrapbooki --- OOOPS, memory booking -- if they
don't learn it in school?
Rabbit
Jason G
says...
Or question what decorating a notebook has to do with education.
--
Jason G
Keith Barber
news:drgkr...@drn.newsguy.com:
We have a winner.
With respect to the subject line on this post, no it is not sexist to
have rules, the complaint was that it is sexist to have different rules
for girls than for boys, regardless of who benefits, and that is true.
With regards to athletics, and phys ed classes in most school systems
should be called athletics classes I resent my tax dollars subsidising
this frivolous activity. Phys ed classes should teach nutrition,
excersise programs,and the like, not be forums for sadistic "teachers" to
humiliate the less athletically inclined students.
--
Keith Barber
ane...@comcast.net
"I am the housing fairy."
elizabeth
undersized penis, just remember that everything you post can and will
be used against you.
Your posts sound like the spewings of some failed abortion, and she'll
get off on self defense. And I'll be laughing, along with the Great
Mother Kali Ma.
If I believed as you do that all men were basically rapists, I'd've
become a serial killer myself. Lucky for you, widdle poodle boy, most
men make you look like the limpdicked twat you are.
Nothing wrong with you that a 12 gauge can't fix.
elizabeth
class
and studying the material is genuinely worse for guys (as opposed to
just
being "too feminine" in the eyes of some modern stereotypers) when the
traditional classroom and exam formats were practially invented by men
for male students in the first place.]
True, but remember that school was for the upper classes, and most boys
weren't expected to do well, because they had to go out and work from
an early age, so even if they would have been good scholars, they
didn't have a chance. So the boys washing out now wouldn't have been
going to schools not so very long ago.
The idea that universal school was a good thing never was intended to
mean that all children would get through the 12th grade. The idea that
higher education was an entitlement is a recent phenomena, and is
simply undo-able, since not all children can be above average.
What do you think of Rob Reiner's universal preschool idea?
Just where do they plan on finding enough qualified teachers, when we
don't have enough now?
Jason G
says...
>
>If I believed as you do that all men were basically rapists,
Oh, so you've had a change of heart over the last couple of years? Where I
Lomax, I'd post three dozen quotes from you saying the opposite.
But as usual you missed the point in your mad dash to Loonypostland. Said point
being that the selfsame gender you were calling violent, genetically inferior
surplus is the one that, due to a sense of right and wrong and higher-level
thinking, decided that raping and abusing women at whim was wrong. Even though
on a physical, animal-kingdom basis it would be just as easy to do as it was in
caveman times and would continue to further the species.
Hardly the actions of beasts.
--
Jason G
elizabeth
Jan 29, 1:34 am show options
>>not all children can be above average.
>WHAT??????!!!1!!!1!
>How DARE you suggest such a thing! If only there were a bit more
self-uhsteem in the world, they'd all be shoehorned into the 99th
percentile.
>-- Michelle
Of course they would . . .and then, who'd wipe your ass, mow your lawn,
harvest your food . . . breeders do NOT get causal relationships. Most
of the breeders insist that THEIR child will somehow be able to
leapfrog all the others and acheive economic security, which is pretty
much impossible these days, at least in this nation. If they can't
cheat the system to get their sproggen a leg up, they sue, have fits,
etc.
That's the secret of why people buy into Ponzi schemes. They always
assume that THEY will be on the top, and fuck everyone else. And when
they lose, they whinge, cry, and demand their money back, the call of
the Marching Morons, "It's not FAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"
elizabeth
As usual, you simply spew your misogynistic illogic before thinking,
your testerical reaction as predictable as the swallows returning to
Capistrano.
We're just returning to the historical ideal of killing men who got
annoying. Most of you are completely unnecessary and not cost
effective. However, because so many cunts, like the one who spewed
you, 'go along to get along' we are so overpopulated that the
ecological collapse is within a couple of decades.
HA-ha!
And do you think I thought up the idea of prostitutes killing clients
and stealing their identity? It's already being done. So sure, women
suffer, but so do men, and if you weren't such a complete idiot,
you'd've gotten that a long time ago, but you didn't.
And keep in mind if any woman does kill you, she'll have lots of
evidence that you hate women and think that abusing them is perfectly
acceptable. So she'll get off, and you'll get dead.
This younger generation of women have the same hair triggers as the
males, and will be just as mindlessly deadly.
Mother Nature bats last, and she's gonna slam a line drive right where
it hurts, JasieWasie.
Priz
hall pass policy. I do think many schools discriminate against boys.
The attitude most schools perpetuate is girls can be anything they want
while boys have to be either geeks or jocks and if they are geeks, they
get tormented and if they don't fit either mold, they are tormented
even worse.
As for most problems being caused by boys, I don't think that is true,
it's just that the boys always get the consequences when they get
caught and the girls rarely do. I can remember incidents from my own
school days that are good examples of this, such as a boy punches out
another student and he gets detention or suspended regardless of reason
while a girl does the same thing, in front of a teacher, no
consequences at all.
Boy harasses another student, male for female, consequences yet if a
girl does the same thing, it's treated like it's not a big deal. I saw
plenty of this when I was growing up.
I support the views of this group:
http://www.singlesexschools.org
As someone who was lucky enough to attend an all boy school, I agree
with the benefits such schools offer.
Priz