Tayana Impressions via Web
Bobsprit
Date: Jan. 23 2002 8:54 PM
Author: thomasstone
Had a chance to go out on a Tayana 37 last week.(brilliant boat on all points)
Would make an excellent choice for you. This particular boat was had for 50,000
flat. The only thing the guy added was a monitor. Your right about boats on the
hook , I see this everyday in Wrightsville bch, at least with the tayana you
could go around ramming everyone waking them up and tell them to start sailing
or buy a house boat.
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Date: Jan. 23 2002 9:02 PM
Author: Jeff_H (burr.h...@annapolis.net)
The Tayana 37s are a real mixed bag. They are good sailors for a compact heavy
cruiser. They came in a lot of differing interior layouts but some really offer
a great liveaboard offshore cruising scheme. They are very handome boats to
look at, expecially the later ones. They are pretty rugged boats in many ways.
The down side is that they came with a wide range of hardware, some name brand
and quite up to snuff and some junky knock offs. Because of the double ended
design, they do not offer a lot of room or storage for a heavier displacement
37 footer. Most of the years that they were in production they had black iron
tanks and these will fail over time and are a major ordeal to replace. Most had
teak decks laid over fiberglass which are a major pain to maintain and are a
deal breaker for me because no matter how well you maintain a teak deck sooner
or later they will leak into the deck core and rot it out. That sais, many of
these plucky 37 footers have been to the kind of far off places that I only
dream about.
Jeff
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Date: Jan. 23 2002 9:22 PM
Author: thomasstone
Nothing mixed about this Tayana. It did not have teak decks nor did it have
iron tanks. We had light winds 10 to15knts and this boat sailed very well on
all points. The cockpit is small although we had four people and there was
plenty of room. A small cockpit is ideal for an offshore boat as is allows
minimal water to collect when waves start to wash over. This probaly doesnt
happen much on the cheasapeake. thomas
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Date: Jan. 23 2002 9:42 PM
Author: RichH (rhm...@att.net)
I have a Tayana 37 (my wife made me buy it, as I'd rather be racing). The T37
is built like a tank, and not the fastest due to the full keel but the speed is
respectable for a 'heavy'. Its a true blue water sailer that can be heavily
loaded with 'stuff' and still be able to sail well. More Tayana 37s have
circumavigated than any other 'production' sailboat, nearly 700 built. The
interiors are semi-custom and I've never found two interiors alike; some well
laid out so that you will have adequate surfaces, etc. to grab onto during a
heavy seaway ... and others which are quite 'open' with pullman berths etc. The
interior joinery is of the highest quality to be found - best to find one with
a varnished interior (instead of oiled which eventually turns black). Most are
cutters but a few ketches were built, the ketches supposedly being better
sailers but a bit underpowered.
Bad points: Older T37 are prone to have leaky bulwarks that will evenutally
drain into the chainplates, etc. Many have iron bow mounted fuel tanks - which
rot out from underneath, The wooden bowsprit tends to rot if not well
maintained, Some older boats have wooden spars that are subject to rot. Many
have teak decks that eventually leak and rot the underlayment - expensive
repair.
These are heavy seaworthy and **seakindly** boats but are tender on initial
heel and therefore have a long roll period yielding a good seakindliness or
motion. What I liked about the cutter sail plan was it is enough sail area for
light winds but versatile in heavy going, yet not too much sail area so that it
would be difficult for one person to handle on a bouncing deck if a sail had to
be removed, etc. .
If you're truly interested in a T37, I suggest that you join the Tayana owners
group (also the Tayana owners eMail discussion group here on Sailnet) as a
*prospective* member and perhaps visit during one of various Tayana rendezvous
(just bring a covered dish something or other) and get first-hand impressions
from various owners and perhaps kick a few tires. The owners group (TOG) is a
good platform to find boats that are just coming onto the market, etc. as most
T37s are probably sold through classified ads in the TOG newsletter. eMail me
direct and I will return a few published articles on the T37. There is also a
Sailnet fttp site with pics of various repairs, projects, manuals, etc.
Donal
"Bobsprit" <bobs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Here's a few comments I've found so far....encouraging!
>
Here's another
"Our view: Endeavours are no more (and probably less) susceptible to
blisters than other fiberglass boats of similar age. You want blisters? Buy
a Tayana 37. "
at
http://www.endeavourowners.com/dscsn/structural/blisters.html
I thought that these were an expensive boat. Are they?
You can call your's "Oz Moses" when you buy it.
Regards
Donal
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Bobsprit
I thought that these were an expensive boat. Are they?
You can call your's "Oz Moses" when you buy it.>>
Donal, do you know ANYTHING about boats??? Tayana, Catalina, Valiant and just
about every make had blister problems at one time or another. The repaired
Valiants are a great deal (for now) according to Sailing Magazine. So here's
what you do with blisters (cuz you don't know). You have them repaired before
the sale and sail. And you knock the price down by thousands in the process. If
I found a Tayana that was corrected in such a manner, I'd be happy to save a
few dollars.
With every post it becomes clear how little you've studied boats, design and
such.
Beneteau was designed to lure your type....and it worked!
Capt RB
Donal
> http://www.endeavourowners.com/dscsn/structural/blisters.html
>
> I thought that these were an expensive boat. Are they?
>
> You can call your's "Oz Moses" when you buy it.>>
>
> Donal, do you know ANYTHING about boats??? Tayana, Catalina, Valiant and
just
> about every make had blister problems at one time or another. The repaired
> Valiants are a great deal (for now) according to Sailing Magazine. So
here's
> what you do with blisters (cuz you don't know).
I don't *need* to know about blisters! The quality of my hull means that I
don't have to worry about these things.
I shall leave osmosis, engine starting, and rig failures to you. These
problems are mainly covered by guarantee for me.
>You have them repaired before
> the sale and sail. And you knock the price down by thousands in the
process. If
> I found a Tayana that was corrected in such a manner, I'd be happy to save
a
> few dollars.
This is sad. I hope that your next script does better, and that Suzanne
doesn't already have plans for the money that you make.
> With every post it becomes clear how little you've studied boats, design
and
> such.
> Beneteau was designed to lure your type....and it worked!
It sure did. I love *sailing*.
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
problems are mainly covered by guarantee for me.>>>
Ummm..anyone want to explain the facts of life to puppetfish Donal?
Your gaurantee does not last for life. And even with the it a blister porblem
can hit even new hulls. It's still a PIA when it happens and even a "quality"
hull can have a problem.
Keep in mind that you own one of the cheapest boats on the market, even more so
that the Hunter line.
Tayana's, Swans, Valiants are all likely to have more problems because they are
more complex in most respects. My friend's BMW 7 series has more problems than
my Subaru, but the 7 series is still way more car.
Capt RB
Scott Vernon
"and some junky knock offs."
"they do not offer a lot of room or storage "
"black iron tanks and these will fail over time and are a major ordeal to
replace"
"teak decks laid over fiberglass which are a major pain to maintain and no
matter how well you maintain a teak deck sooner or later they will leak
into the deck core and rot it out."
"Older T37 are prone to have leaky bulwarks that will evenutally
drain into the chainplates, etc"
"The wooden bowsprit tends to rot "
"wooden spars that are subject to rot"
"teak decks that eventually leak and rot the underlayment - expensive
repair."
Scotty?
"Bobsprit" <bobs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Mighty BobJax
this boat says "you" all over it. Go for it. The idiots on asa are
just plain jealous. If they could afford one, you bet they would have
a Tayana. They're all sour grapes. Congratulations on your choice,
both exceptional and discriminating. Pure understatement in
excellence.
MBJ
bobs...@aol.com (Bobsprit) wrote in message news:<20020415112826...@mb-cu.aol.com>...
Rich Hampel
Rich Hampel
Few Tayanas ever get more than cosmetic blisters beyond the gelcoat,
rarely into the matting layer. Never heard of one with blisters into the
roving.
Donal
"Rich Hampel" <Rhm...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Gotta be something wrong with it at $50K.
>
Osmosis....... possibly?????
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
Few Tayanas ever get more than cosmetic blisters beyond the gelcoat,>>
Forget it, Rich. I've seen this type before. It's the Hunter, Catalina or
Beneteau owner who thinks they own something as good as a Tayana, Baltic or
even an old Cape Dory.
Capt RB
Bobsprit
Beneteau and a Tayana. They are designed to do different things.
It's like comparing a BMW with a Combine Harvester.
The Beneteau is designed for performance, the Tayana is not.>>
Umm...hate to break it to you, but a SWAN or even a J Boat might be a BMW. A
Beneteau is more of a Ford Mustang, so let's get real!
Capt RB
Donal
"as good as"???? Only an idiot would try to make a comparison between a
Beneteau and a Tayana. They are designed to do different things.
It's like comparing a BMW with a Combine Harvester.
The Beneteau is designed for performance, the Tayana is not.
So, Robert, which do you think is more appropriate for the sheltered reachs
of LIS?
When you arrive at your berth in the evening, you will be greeted with
comments like "Two hours??? We weren't expecting you back for at least 6
Months!", and "Does your insurance cover the damage to those four boats that
you hit?".
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
A Beneteau is a cheaply stamped out mass production boat that changes hull
designs every six minutes.
A Tayana (or Valiant, or PS or CD36-now the Robinhood) is a classically
traditional yacht with actual effort spent on connstruction.
Capt RB
Scott Vernon
thinks he owns a Tayana.
Scotty
"Donal" <do...@lanospamde.com> wrote in message
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Bobsprit
Exactly. Thanks, Scott.
RB
Donal
Ok, then it's like comparing a Ford Mustang with a combine harvester.
It doesn't matter how you look at it, this boat would be a complete waste
of time for someone who mainly day sails within a 5 mile radius of the
marina. You've (possibly) planned a trip to Block Island, and suddenly you
need a trans-ocean blue water cruiser????? Block Island is fine for your
P30. Trust me. You are very unlikely to die on your day sail to Block
Island. Don't worry so much.
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
of time for someone who mainly day sails within a 5 mile radius of the
marina. You've (possibly) planned a trip to Block Island, and suddenly you
need a trans-ocean blue water cruiser????? >>
Sorry again, Donal. We're moving from NY, so the requirements have changed. You
are so bloody jealous...everyone's staying quiet now...hoping you'll wipe the
drool from you chin and move on!
Beneteau=BMW? Does that stand for Boat Made Wobbly? Holy oil can, Batman!
Bwahahahaha!
Capt RB
Donal
> It doesn't matter how you look at it, this boat would be a complete waste
> of time for someone who mainly day sails within a 5 mile radius of the
> marina. You've (possibly) planned a trip to Block Island, and suddenly
you
> need a trans-ocean blue water cruiser????? >>
>
> Sorry again, Donal. We're moving from NY, so the requirements have
changed.
Well, well, well! You buy her a $50,000.00 ring, and in return she puts a
ring through your nose. So, where does Suzanne come from? When are you
moving there?
How the once mighty Bobsprit has fallen. It sounds like you are having to
surrender your independence, your flat, and most of your income for this
woman. On balance, I think that you should go back to using your hand.
>You
> are so bloody jealous...everyone's staying quiet now...hoping you'll wipe
the
> drool from you chin and move on!
By the time that I am old enought to appreciate the finer points of a Tayana
37, I will probably be able to afford something better.
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
surrender your independence, your flat, and most of your income for this
woman. On balance, I think that you should go back to using your hand.>>
My income has doubled in the last 5 months and without Suzanne a boat on the
level of the Tayana would be less likely. You gotta love a girl who wants a
bigger boat and who, with limited experience, spotted Beneteau, Hunter and
GibSea as junky at the show.
Capt RB
Bobsprit
37, I will probably be able to afford something better.>>
Luckily I've been aboard so many boats that I can appreciate a boat of high
quality now. I can also afford it now, so why wait?
Capt RB
Donal
> My income has doubled in the last 5 months
Congratulations on getting yourself a proper job. So have you given up
scriptwriting completely, or will you get back to it one day?
>and without Suzanne a boat on the
> level of the Tayana would be less likely.
Yeah, we worked that one out. If she had any interest in sailing
whatsoever, she would prefer the P30 to the Tayana.
>You gotta love a girl who wants a
> bigger boat and who, with limited experience, spotted Beneteau, Hunter and
> GibSea as junky at the show.
You forgot to tell us where you are moving to!
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
whatsoever, she would prefer the P30 to the Tayana.>>
The P30 is simply too small for extended periods aboard.
Capt RB
Bobsprit
scriptwriting completely, or will you get back to it one day?>>
I'm no longer working at all, Donal. But my income has gone way up.
Capt RB
Bobsprit
We haven't made a firm decision. We'll be sailing in North Carolina for 10 days
and renting a house to look at the area. I may opt to buy property in NY so we
can have dual residence.
Capt RB
Donal
> Congratulations on getting yourself a proper job. So have you given up
> scriptwriting completely, or will you get back to it one day?>>
>
> I'm no longer working at all, Donal. But my income has gone way up.
Pimping?????
Regards
Donal
--
Donal
> If she had any interest in sailing
> whatsoever, she would prefer the P30 to the Tayana.>>
>
> The P30 is simply too small for extended periods aboard.
Put a disposal bin beside the heads.
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
Pimping?????>>
Interested?
RB
Donal
> > I'm no longer working at all, Donal. But my income has gone way up.
>
> Pimping?????>>
>
> Interested?
Not if your website is anything to go by! Got anything better?
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
Since my website and it's women have been well reviewed (one fellow even hid it
from his jealous wife) and you don't like models, snowboarders or dancers, we
can assume that you're looking for a guy.
Sadly, most of my crew is female, but I'll keep my eyes open for a "fellow" to
tickle your fancy!
I'm sensing yet another Donal Fish explosion soon!
Capt RB
Scott Vernon
Scotty
"Donal" <do...@lanospamde.com> wrote in message
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Scott Vernon
"Donal" <do...@lanospamde.com> wrote ...
Scott Vernon
"Bobsprit" <bobs...@aol.com> wrote
> Sadly, most of my crew is female, but I'll keep my eyes open for a
"fellow"
>
> Capt RB
Scott Vernon
http://www.newholland.com/na/Products/combine.html
NICE!
"Donal" <do...@lanospamde.com> wrote .
katy
You just don't get it. It doesn't matter what boat you buy, say you're buying,
or wish to buy. You could have a fortune and buy the Queen Mary but becasue it
was yours, everyone would all of a sudden hate the Queen Mary. Maybe you
should start naming all your boats "Tainted".
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
katy
Bullroar....sate the truth...the P30 doesn't suit your lifestyle for extended
periods of time aboard...I know a guy who has lived quite happily, with many
conveniences on his Flicka (21 feet) for years with no problem whatsoever.
You're just asking too much out of life.
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
Donal
> Not if your website is anything to go by! Got anything better?>>
>
> Since my website and it's women have been well reviewed (one fellow even
hid it
> from his jealous wife) and you don't like models,
What do they model? Anti-ageing creams? Blue rinse products? or do they
model for the "before" pictures for dubious weight loss products?
>snowboarders or dancers, we
> can assume that you're looking for a guy.
> Sadly, most of my crew is female, but I'll keep my eyes open for a
"fellow" to
> tickle your fancy!
>
> I'm sensing yet another Donal Fish explosion soon!
Baaaad bait.
Did you know that I got 6 Bobfish on a single hook recently?
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
What a sad, sad post from a woman who didn't get everything she dreamt.
"Do you know what happened to the boy who got everything he ever wanted? He
lived happily ever after."
Willy Wonka
Capt RB
katy
lived happily ever after."
Willy Wonka
Fantasy...just like your life....
Bobsprit
Sorry, Katy...I know it angers you that some people find a way to "have" while
you go on "wanting."
Capt RB
Donal
Katy seems to "have" a boat that she is happy with, while you seem to be
always "wanting" something that you can't afford!!
In fact, most of the ng contributers "have" a boat that they are happy with!
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
always "wanting" something that you can't afford!!>>
I've been happy with Ghost and still am. Two things" Buying and learning about
new boats is fun and I can afford what I want (for the most part) now.
Moving on with the Donalfish!
Capt RB
Bobsprit
I'd say that nearly everyone here would buy something else if they could. Scott
wants a bigger boat and Doug does as well.
You lose again!!!
Bwahahaha! The Donal fish is delusional! He spits, only to bite again!
Watch....
Capt RB
Lady Sailor
deadaunt deadaunt deadaunt deadaaaaaaunt...... dedededeadaunt........
LB
katy
You know nothing about me at all...
katy
bigger boats, so I think we can pretty much let this rest with the fact that
Bob is once again delusional and hasn't reported back for his shock therapy.
katy
deadaunt deadaunt deadaunt deadaaaaaaunt...... dedededeadaunt........
Is this eveidence that you are a true Californian? Just what were you smoking?
Can you send some UPS?
Scott Vernon
"katy" <katy...@aol.combingbox> wrote ...
The_navigator©
not wanting anything?
Cheers MC
Bobsprit
Sure I do, Katy. I know that you are angry, as you've proven again and again.
RB
katy
Nope....wrong again....no cigar.....How can one be angry when I can read your
posts and have the laugh of my life every time I sign on to the ng?
Bobsprit
posts and have the laugh of my life every time I sign on to the ng?>>
Katy, most of us know that you are clutching your bible with anger and hatred,
clinging to self righteous morality that's the haven of the rapist priests and
child molesting clergy you support.
You are tolerated because you are female...sort of.
Capt RB
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
j<gan<ail_n>ow_S.PA+M.c=o>m
In article <3CBE23D6...@excite.com>,
Jonathan
--
Jonathan Ganz (j<gan<<z@.uce@ftc.gov.s>ail_n>ow_S.PA+M.c=o>m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."
katy
>Why did I get a mental flash of Mr Cretosote when Booby said that he was
>not wanting anything?
>
>
Well, he's about as low priority as you can get.
katy
that such ignorance can abound in this world....we all need jesters, even
misguided ones...
The Navigator
> Why did I get a mental flash of Mr Cretosote when Booby said that he was
> not wanting anything?
Not even a wafer thin mint?
Donal
"j ail_n>ow_S.PA+M.c=o>m (Jonathan Ganz)" <gan<<z@.uce@ftc.gov.s> wrote in
message news:a9l8l2$31d$1...@shell2.bayarea.net...
> And boring... don't forget boring.
>
And unhappy with his choice of boat!
Regards
Donal
--
"P30 -perfect stepping
stone to a more modern boat." - Bobsprit (1-Feb-2002)
j<gan<ail_n>ow_S.PA+M.c=o>m
In article <kggm9a...@mailgate067.lanode.com>,
Jonathan
Donal
"katy" <katy...@aol.combingbox> wrote in message
news:20020417182830...@mb-ck.aol.com...
> Donal, I can't remember either you or I expressing any desire to purchase
> bigger boats, so I think we can pretty much let this rest with the fact
that
> Bob is once again delusional and hasn't reported back for his shock
therapy.
I found that the pathos in the following statement was particularily
touching:-
"P30 -perfect stepping stone to a more modern boat." - Bobsprit (1-Feb-2002)
Let's all wish good luck to Robert! I hope that one day he finds a boat
that will make him happy. I'm sure that everyone agrees with me.
Regards
Donal
--
Bobsprit
Yikes. Now that's scary.
Capt RB
Scott Vernon
"Bobsprit" wrote ...