Overall, few if any elected democrats have served
since the end of the draft.
TRUTHSEEKER <Truth...@homelandinsecurity.com> wrote...
: Who served in the military?
: Prominent Democrats
: House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in
uniform,
: 1965-71
: House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform,
1968-72
: Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform,
1969-72
: Former Vice President Al Gore - Served his country in uniform,
1969-71;
: recipient of Vietnam Service Medal
: Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, Vietnam
: Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, World War
Two
: John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
: Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea
: Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
: Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
: Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two
Distinguished Flying
: Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's
Medal.
: http://www.afji.com/mags/1997/Jan/VietVets.html
: Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic
congressman,
: Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the
Silver Star
: and the Legion of Merit
http://www.af.mil/news/Apr1997/n19970414_970430.html
: Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a
staff
: sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded
and
: received a Purple Heart. http://www.house.gov/mthompson/bio.html
: Prominent Republicans
: Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not
serve.
: Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve.
: Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
: Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not
serve.
: GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really
means four
: years
: VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own
words, "had
: other priorities than military service")
: Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - sought deferment to teach business ed at
SW
: Missouri State
: And They Call Him General
:
: Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too much of a
republican.
:
: Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
: Former President Ronald Reagan - served in a noncombat role. He
later seems
: to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the
real
: thing.
: "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in
college
: acting classes (Orange County Register article)
: Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star,
Bronze
: Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Why did
: the Bush campaign smear him so?
: Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man.
: http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.html
: Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
: http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
: Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the
Navy Cross,
: two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several
other
: decorations http://www.house.gov/cunningham/about_duke.htm#Biography
: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
:
:
Your count is off. Dems are in the high 70's last I counted (late last
year), and on a PERCENTAGE basis their participation is roughly equal to
republicans, despite the fact that Dems average age is slightly younger.
More importantly, after subtracting the number of congressmen and women who
served in state national guard and reserve only positions, it turns out that
more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY, NAVY,
AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
> Most of the democrats served before Vietnam
Horseshit.
> Overall, few if any elected democrats have served
> since the end of the draft.
Bullshit.
-pje
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>
> > : Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man.
> > : http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.html
>
> wounded in combat and arm permanently injured
Hmm...same injury as Darth Vader, just before he went over to the dark
side!!
Sorry, that was cheap. Bob Dole served honorably. Shrubya isn't fit to stand
in the same room with a guy like Bob Dole.
Come to think of it, if I had known that we'd have shrubya in office today,
I'd have voted for Dole, and for his re-election. I'd rather have eight
years of Dole than four years of shrubbie.
-pje
Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
Next?
--
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"-
Dan Rather
Too late. You drones concluded in 1996 that Dole was "more evil" than
Clinton. The rest is history.
Now tell us how many guardsmen were killed at Kent State?
No, just that we believed Clinton would indeed build that bridge to the 21st
Century. Then shrub burned it down.
>..."PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com>... wrote:
>> more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY, NAVY,
>> AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
>
>Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
>members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
Considering the overall fatalities and their sources,
Lordofruit just proved the statement of relative risk
to be accurate, but one can't expect more from
someone whose best likeness is on a box of
"Lucky Charms" ...
Just over 6000 died: 5,977 reservists and 101 National Guard members.
About 38% of draftees were sent to Vietnam. I don't know what percent
of reservists and National Guard members were sent.
> > Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
> > members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
>
> Just over 6000 died: 5,977 reservists and 101 National Guard members.
The source I saw had the numbers as 5,760 and 97. Hence the "nearly" in my
post. In any event. either number is more than the original poster would
like to see to begin with...
>
> No, just that we believed Clinton would indeed build that bridge to the
21st
> Century.
"How naive we were"-
Leading liberal historian and two time Clinton voter Richard Goodwin,
explaining Clinton's "legacy" of failure in a column in the liberal Boston
Globe on July 4, 1999.
By the way, several of your more radical comrades here on Usenet HAVE
admitted claiming Dole WAS more evil than Slick. Truly hallucinatory.
AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO >WAR.
>
> > Most of the democrats served before Vietnam
>
> Horseshit.
>
> > Overall, few if any elected democrats have served
> > since the end of the draft.
>
> Bullshit.
I went through and counted them. 92 republicans,
64 (I was off by two) democrats and 2 independents.
Move over, there are 9 congressmen who are still
in the reserves, all republicans.
Look at the democrats. Most served in WW2 or Korea.
Ted Kennedy was an example. As soon as the draft stopped,
elected democrats stopped serving.
Alabama 9: 4R, 1D
Senator Jeff Sessions R USAR, 1973-86, CPT
Sonny Callahan R-1 USN, 1952-54, enlisted
Terry Everett R-2 USAF, 1955-59, enlisted
Robert E. 'Bud' Cramer Jr. D-5 USAR, 1976-1978, CPT
Spencer Thomas Bachus III R-6 National Guard, 1969-1971
Alaska 3: 3R
Senator Ted Stevens R USAF, 1943-1946, 1LT
Senator Frank H. Murkowski R Coast Guard, 1955-1956
Donald E. 'Don' Young R-1 USA, 1955-1957
American Samoa 1: 1D
Eni F.H. Faleomavaega D-1 USA, Vietnam Vet, 1966-1969, CPT
USAR, CPT, 1983-present
Arizona 8: 4R
Senator John S. McCain R National War College, Wash, DC, 1973-1974
BS, United States Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD, 1958
Senate Navy Liaison, 1977-1981
Pilot & Captain, United States Navy, 1958-1981,
received Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart,
and the
Distinguished Flying Cross
Prisoner of War in Vietnam, 1967-1973
Bob Stump R-3 USN, 1943-1946
John B. Shadegg R-4 Air National Guard, 1969-1975
James T. 'Jim' Kolbe R-5 USN, 1968-1969, Vietnam
USNR, 1970-1977
Arkansas 6: 1R
DR. Victor F. 'Vic' Snyder, MD R-2 USMC, 1967-1969, CPL, Thailand
California 54: 4R, 3D
C. Michael Thompson D-1 USA, 1969-1973
Inst. Army Airborne School
Fortney H. 'Pete' Stark D-13 USAF, 1955-1957
Stephen 'Steve' Horn R-38 USAR, 1954-1962, SPC-7
Gary G. Miller R-41 USA, 1967-1968
Joe Baca D-42 USA, 1966-1968,
airborne (82nd & 101st Div.)
Randall H. 'Duke' Cunningham R-51 USN, 1967-1987, CMDR
Pilot & founder of Top Gun
Duncan L. Hunter R-52 USA, 1969-1971, LT
Colorado 8: 1R
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell R USAF, 1951-1953, enlisted
(Cpt of 1964 US Olypmic Judo Tm)
Connecticut 8: 1R, 1D
Senator Christopher J. Dodd D USAR, 1969-75
Robert Ruhl 'Rob' Simmons R-2 USA, 1965-1968
USAR, 1969-1995, COL
CIA, 1969-1979, Operations Off.
Delaware 3: 1D
Senator Thomas Richard Carper D USN, 1968-1973, Flight Officer
USNR, 1973-1991, CAPTIAN
DC 1: 0
Florida 25: 5R, 2D
Senator Bill Nelson D USA, 1968-1970
USAR, 1965-1971
F. Allen Boyd Jr. D-2 USA, 1969-71, 1LT
Clifford B. 'Cliff' Stearns R-6 USAF, 1963-67, CPT
Michael Bilirakis R-9 USAF, 1951-55
C. W. Bill Young R-10 National Guard, 1948-57
Porter J. Goss R-14 USA, 1960-1966
CIA, 1962-1971
Clandestine Services Officer
Dr David J. 'Dave' Weldon Jr., MD R-15 USA, 1981-1987, MAJ
USAR, 1987-1994
Georgia 13: 4R, 3D
Senator Joseph Maxwell 'Max' Cleland D USA, 1965-1968, CPT
Senator Zell Bryan Miller D USMC, 1953-1956, SGT
Sanford D. Bishop Jr. D-2 USA, ROTC, 1969-1971
Michael Allen 'Mac' Collins R-3 National Guard, 1964-1970 E-4
John H. 'Johnny' Isakson R-6 National Guard, 1966-1972, SSG
Bob Barr R-7 CIA, 1971-1978, Analyst
Nathan Deal R-9 USA, 1966-1968, CPT
Dr Charles W. Norwood Jr., DDS R-10 USA, 1968-1969, CPT, Vietnam
Guam 1: 0
Hawaii 4: 2D
Senator Daniel K. Inouye D USA, 1943-1947, 2LT
Senator Daniel Kahikina Akaka D USA, 1945-1947
Idaho 4: 2R
Senator Larry E. Craig R National Guard, 1971-1973,E-3
C.L. 'Butch' Otter R-1 National Guard, 1968-1973, enlisted
Illinois 22: 4R, 3D
Bobby Lee Rush D-1 USA, 1963-68, enlisted
William O. Lipinski D-3 USAR, 1961-1967
Henry John Hyde R-6 USN, 1942-1946, ENSIGN
USNR, 1946-1976, CMDR
Dr Philip M. Crane, Ph.d R-8 USA, 1954-56, CPL
Mark Steven Kirk R-10 USNR, LCmdr, present
Lane A. Evans D-17 USMC, 1969-1971, CPL
John M. Shimkus R-20 USA, 1980-1985, CPT
USAR, 1985-Present, MAJ
USA Academy Grad 1980
Indiana 12: 3R
Senator Richard G. Lugar R USN, 1957-1960, LTJG
Stephen E. 'Steve' Buyer R-5 USAR, 1980-present, LTC
USA, 1984-1987, CPT
USA, 1990-1991, MAJ (Gulf War)
The Citadel, 1980, grad
Dan L. Burton R-6 USA, 1957-1958
USAR, 1958-1962
Iowa 7: 1R, 2D
Sen Thomas 'Tom' Harkin D USN, 1962-67, LT
USNR, 1968-74, LCdmr
Leonard L. Boswell D-3 USA, 1956-76, LTC
John 'Greg' Ganske R-4 USAR, 1986-present, LTC
Kansas 6: 1R, 1D
Senator Pat Roberts R USMC, 1958-62, LT
Dennis Moore D-3 USA, 1970, USAR, 1970-1972
Kentucky 6: 3R, 1D
Edward 'Ed' Whitfield R-1 USAR, 1967-1973, 100th DIV, 1LT
Ron Lewis R-2 USN, 1972
Kenneth R. 'Ken' Lucas D-4 USAF, 1955-1957
Air Guard, 1957-1967, MAJ
Dr Ernest Lee 'Ernie' Fletcher , MD R-6 USAF, 1974-1980
Louisiana 9: 1R, 1D
William J. Jefferson D-2 USA, 1969-1975, CPT
Dr John C. Cooksey, MD R-5 USAF, 1967-1969
USAFR, 1969-1972
MAINE 4: 0
Maryland 10: 1R
Wayne T. Gilchrest R-1 USMC, 1964-1968, SGT, Vietnam
Massachusetts 12: 5D
Senator Edward M. 'Ted' Kennedy D USA, 1951-1953, PFC
Senator John Forbes Kerry D USN, 1966-1970, LT
received Silver Star, Bronze Star, 3 Purple Hearts, 2 Presidential Unit
Citations and a National Defense Medal
Edward J. 'Ed' Markey D-7 USAR, 1968-73
John 'Joseph' Moakley D-9 USN, 1943-1946
William D. 'Bill' Delahunt D-10 Coast Guard Res. 1963-1971
Michigan 18: 2R, 3D
Nick Smith R-7 USAF, 1959-61, CPT
Intelligence Officer
Mike Rogers R-8 USA, CPT
FBI, Special Agent, Chicago
David Edward Bonior D-10 USAF, 1968-72, SSgt
Joseph K. 'Joe' Knollenberg R-11 USA, 1955-57, CPL
John Conyers Jr. D-14 National Guard, 1948-1950
USA, 1950-1954, USAR, 1954-1957
John D. Dingell D-16 USA, 1944-46, 2LT
Minnesota 10: 1R, 1D
James M. 'Jim' Ramstad R-3 USAR, 1968-74, LT
Collin C. Peterson D-7 National Guard, 1963-69, SSG
Mississippi 7: 2R, 1D
Senator Thad Cochran R USN, 1959-61, LTJG
Roger F. Wicker R-1 USAF, 1976-1980, CPT
USAFR, 1980-Present, LTC
Gene Taylor D-5 Coast Guard Res, 1964-1971, E-6
Missouri 11: 1R, 1D
W. Todd Akin R-2 USA, 1973-1983
Richard Andrew 'Dick' Gephardt D-3 Air National Guard, 1965-1971
Montana 3: 0
Nebraska 5: 3R
Senator Charles T. 'Chuck' Hagel R USA, 1967-68, SGT
Douglas K. 'Doug' Bereuter R-1 USA, 1963-1965, 1LT
Dr Thomas W Osborne, Ph.d R-3 USAR, 1960-1968
Wash. Redskins, 1960-1968
49ers 1959
Nevada 4: 1R
James A. 'Jim' Gibbons R-2 USAF, 1967-1971, CPT
Air Nat Guard, 1975-1991, COL
New Hampshire 4: 1R
Senator Robert C. 'Bob' Smith R USN, 1965-1967, Vietnam, ENSIGN
USNR, 1962-1965, 1967-1969
New Jersey 15: 1R, 2D
Senator Jon Stevens Corzine D USMCR, 1969-1975, SGT
William J. 'Bill' Pascrell Jr. D-8 USA/R, 1961-1967, SGT
Rodney P. Frelinghuysen R-11 USA, 1969-1971, PRIVATE
93rd Eng. BN, VIETNAM
New Mexico 5: 2R, 1D
Senator Jeff Bingaman D USAR, 1968-1974
Dr Heather A. Wilson , Ph.d R-1 USAF, 1978-1989
BS, USAF Academy, 1982.
Rhodes Scholar, 1985, Ph.d
Joseph R. 'Joe' Skeen R-2 USN, 1945-1946, enlisted
USAFR, 1945-1946
New York 33: 4R, 4D
Peter T. King R-3 USAR, 1968-73
Charles B. Rangel D-15 USA, 1948-1952
Jose E. Serrano D-16 USA, 1964-1966, MEDIC
Benjamin A. Gilman R-20 National Guard, 1981-Present, COL
USA, 1943-1945, PRIVATE
Sherwood L. 'Sherry' Boehlert R-23 USA, 1956-1958
Maurice D. Hinchey D-26 USN, 1956-1959, enlisted
John J. LaFalce D-29 USA, 1965-67
Amory 'Amo' Houghton Jr. R-31 USMC, 1944-1946, PFC
North Carolina 14: 2R, 1D
Senator Jesse Helms R USN, 1942-45
Bob R. Etheridge D-2 USA, 1965-1967, E-4
John Howard Coble R-6 Coast Guard, 1952-1956, 1977-1978
Coast Guard Res, 1960-1981, O-6
North Dakota 3 (ALL DEMS): 0
Ohio 21: 3R
Paul E. Gillmor R-5 USAF, 1965-1966, CPT
David Lee 'Dave' Hobson R-7 Air National Guard, 1958-1963
Ralph Regula R-16 USN, 1944-1946
Oklahoma 8: 3R
Senator Don Nickles R National Guard, 1970-76;
Senator James M. Inhofe R USA, 1954-1956
Wesley 'Wes' Watkins R-3 Air National Guard, 1960-1967, 2LT
Oregon 7: 1D
Peter A. Defazio D-4 USAFR
Pennsylvania 23: 5R, 5D
Senator Arlen Specter R USAF, 1951-53, 1LT
John E. Peterson R-5 USA, 1957, SPC
USAR, 1958-1964
Donald L. 'Don' Sherwood R-10 USA, 1964-1966, 1LT
Paul E. Kanjorski D-11 USA, 1960-1961
John P. Murtha D-12 USMC, 1952-55, 1966-67, COL
Joseph M. Hoeffel D-13 USAR, 1970-1976.
William J. Coyne D-14 USA, 1955-1957, Korea, SPC
Joseph R. Pitts R-16 USAF SAC, 1963-1969, CPT
George W. Gekas R-17 USA, 1953-1955, CPL
Frank R. Mascara D-20 USA, 1946-47, private
Puerto Rico 1: 0
Rhode Island 4: 1D
Senator John F. 'Jack' Reed D USA, 1967-79; USAR, 1979-91;
BS, U.S. Mil Academy, 1971;
South Carolina 8: 4R, 2D
Senator Strom Thurmond R USA, 1942-46, LTC
USAR, 1924-41, 1947-65; Maj Gen
Senator Ernest F. 'Fritz' Hollings D USA, 1942-1945, CPT
Henry Edward Brown Jr. R-1 NAT. GUARD, 1953- 1962
Floyd Davidson Spence R-2 USNR, 1952-1988, CAPTAIN
(Korean Conflict, 1952-1954)
Lindsey O. Graham R-3 Air Nat Guard, 1989-present, MAJ
John McKee Spratt Jr. D-5 USA, 1969-1971, CPT
South Dakota 3: 2D
Senator Thomas A. 'Tom' Daschle D USAF, 1969-1972, 1LT
Senator Tim P. Johnson D USA, 1969;
Tennessee 11: 4R, 2D
William Lewis 'Bill' Jenkins R-1 USA, 1960-1962, LT MPs
John James 'Jimmy' Duncan Jr. R-2 USAR, 1970-1987, CPT
William V. 'Van' Hilleary R-4 USAF, 1982-1984, CPT
USAFR, 1984-present, MAJ
Robert N. 'Bob' Clement D-5 USA, 1969-1971, LT
National Guard, 1971-present, LTC
Edward G. 'Ed' Bryant R-7 USA, 1970-1978, CPT
John S. Tanner D-8 USN, 1968-1972, LT
NAT. GUARD, 1974-present, LTC
Texas 32: 2R, 6D
James 'Jim' Turner D-2 USA, 1978, CPT
Samuel Robert 'Sam' Johnson R-3 USAF, 1951-1979, COL
Ralph Moody Hall D-4 USN, 1942-1945, LT
Dr Ronald E. 'Ron' Paul, MD R-14 USAF, 1963-1965, CPT
Air National Guard, 1965-1968
Silvestre Reyes D-16 USA, 1966-1968, SGT (E-5)
Charles A. 'Charlie' Gonzalez D-20 Air National Guard, 1969-1975, E-6
Jonas 'Martin' Frost III D-24 USAR, 1966-1972
Solomon P. Ortiz D-27 USA, 1960-1962, E-5
Utah 5: 2R
Senator Robert F. Bennett R National Guard, 1957-61, 1LT
James V. Hansen R-1 USN, 1951-1955
Vermont 3: 1I
Senator James M. 'Jim' Jeffords I USN, 1956-1959
USNR, 1959-present, CAPTAIN
Virgin Islands 1: 0
Virginia 13: 4R, 1D, 1I
Senator John W. Warner R USN, 1944-1946
USMC, 1950-1952
Edward L. 'Ed' Schrock R-2 USN, 1964-1988, CAPTAIN
Robert C. 'Bobby' Scott D-3 USAR, 1970-74
National Guard, 1974-76
Virgil H. Goode Jr. I-5 National Guard, 1969-1975.
Frank Rudolph Wolf R-10 USA, 1962-1963, USAR, 1963-1967
Thomas M. 'Tom' Davis III R-11 USA, 1971-1972, 2LT
National Guard, 1972-1979
USAR, 1972-1979
Washington 11: 1R
Doc Hastings R-4 USAR, 1963-1969, SPC
West Virginia 5: 1D
Alan B. Mollohan D-1 USAR, 1970-1983, CPT
Wisconsin 11: 2D
Senator Herbert H. 'Herb' Kohl D USAR, 1958-1964
Gerald D. 'Jerry' Kleczka D-4 Air National Guard, 1963-1969
Wyoming 3: 2R
Senator Craig Thomas R USMC, 1955-1959, LT
Senator Michael B. Enzi R Air National Guard, 1968-1973
http://www.vote-smart.org/index.phtml
532: 92R, 64D, 2I
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