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700,000 March against Bush in London - Bought & Paid For by Hamas & Hezbollah

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Billy Wang

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Feb 17, 2003, 10:54:13 AM2/17/03
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noiq...@aol.com (NoIQBush) wrote in message news:<20030215210221...@mb-cn.aol.com>...
> YES!

The London marches were co-sponsored by MAB (Muslim Assoc. of Britain)
aka Muslim Brotherhood aka Hamas & Hezbollah. Just like the 1980s
marches in Europe against Reagan were organzized by the KGB.

2003 = Marching for continued tyranny of the people in Iraq, Iran,
Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.

Early 1980 = Marching for the continued tyranny of the people of
Eastern Europe.

Fortunately, Reagan ignored the KGB marches, deployed the Pershing II
and started with Star Wars and the Soviet Union died.


<from the UK Telegraph>
If this was a peace march, why did Saddam get no stick?
By Barbara Amiel
(Filed: 17/02/2003)

The most revealing aspect of the anti-war march in London was what you
did not see. You did not see any messages to Saddam Hussein or
criticism of Iraqi policy.

A colleague I met at the march said he had counted only two or three
anti-Israeli signs. "Torture, Murder, Ethnic Cleansing!!! Welcome to
Israel" was the wording of a large banner from the Muslim Association
of Great Britain, but that was to be expected. The MAB, co-organiser
of the London march, has a number of ideological and personal links
with the Muslim Brotherhood, the oldest Islamist organisation, four of
whose members assassinated Anwar Sadat and whose offshoot is Hamas.

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/461/islam.html
Thirdly, the MAB openly declare that they are a faction of the Muslim
Brotherhood.

Now, in some incarnations the Muslim Brotherhood can be
programmatically quite liberal - but it depends on the concrete
circumstances and whether it is tailing Nasserite Arab nationalism in
its many guises, or more extreme islamist movements such as Hezbollah.
It clearly works with a range of fascistic groupings and anyone who
has read the writings of radicals such as Sayyid Qutb will see clearly
the ultra-reactionary nature of their politics. So, no, the MAB are
not openly advocates of extremist islamist politics, but they are
still entwined with them.

PlanetJ

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Feb 17, 2003, 11:03:42 AM2/17/03
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Hamas, Hezbollah, socialists, homosexuals, liberals, communist party,
unemployed, drug addicts, tree huggers etc. etc. etc. You know, the typical
protesters.


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Hydratwo

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Feb 17, 2003, 11:17:20 AM2/17/03
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>Subject: Re: 700,000 March against Bush in London - Bought & Paid For by
>Hamas & Hezbollah
>From: "PlanetJ" plan...@bellsouth.net
>Date: 2/17/03 11:03 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <LB74a.499$4q4...@fe07.atl2.webusenet.com>
And the chickenhawks were sooooo heroic when it was there turn, or they had
"other priorities."
http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html


http://members.aol.com/hydratwo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paenvironment/

foobar none

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Feb 17, 2003, 11:46:53 AM2/17/03
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PlanetJ wrote:

> Hamas, Hezbollah, socialists, homosexuals, liberals, communist party,
> unemployed, drug addicts, tree huggers etc. etc. etc. You know, the
> typical protesters.
>

Except these weren't your typical protestors, most were "protest virgins".
And yes some people were from the MAB, some people were jewish, most people
were just ordinary people, seeing that a war on Iraq is totally pointless.

George Washington

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Feb 17, 2003, 2:13:33 PM2/17/03
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"Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@White-Star.com> wrote in message
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>
> Funny thing about the big deal everyone is making about these
> protests. There were roughly 2.5 million protestors world Wide out of
> a total population of around 6 billion. Yet the protestors act like
> they are ALL the people. LOL

How many people have assembled in FAVOR of war?


Free Thinking Conservative

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Feb 17, 2003, 2:24:46 PM2/17/03
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Those of us that are in FAVOR of the war simply do not have time to
assemble. You see, we all have jobs. We go to work, and earn our own
living. We don't let our political party keep us down and scared and
on welfare. We have too much knowledge for that...

Bradley K. Sherman

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Feb 17, 2003, 2:27:40 PM2/17/03
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In article <gmd25vcmqtuuarbj5...@4ax.com>,

Free Thinking Conservative <f...@GOP.com> wrote:
>Those of us that are in FAVOR of the war simply do not have time to
>assemble. You see, we all have jobs. We go to work, and earn our own
>living. We don't let our political party keep us down and scared and
>on welfare. We have too much knowledge for that...

But you have time to read alt groups on the Usenet? Dissemble away.

--bks

Free Thinking Conservative

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Feb 17, 2003, 2:30:46 PM2/17/03
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Perhaps you will see on the news that most of the East coast is
covered in several feet of snow. So, yes I'm off work today.

Of course, you seem to be spending time on Usenet as well...

On 17 Feb 2003 14:27:40 -0500, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:

Bradley K. Sherman

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Feb 17, 2003, 2:34:33 PM2/17/03
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In article <s5e25v07dfu1h89m5...@4ax.com>,

Free Thinking Conservative <f...@GOP.com> wrote:
>Perhaps you will see on the news that most of the East coast is
>covered in several feet of snow. So, yes I'm off work today.
>
>Of course, you seem to be spending time on Usenet as well...
>
>On 17 Feb 2003 14:27:40 -0500, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <gmd25vcmqtuuarbj5...@4ax.com>,
>>Free Thinking Conservative <f...@GOP.com> wrote:
>>>Those of us that are in FAVOR of the war simply do not have time to
>>>assemble. You see, we all have jobs. We go to work, and earn our own
>>>living. We don't let our political party keep us down and scared and
>>>on welfare. We have too much knowledge for that...
>>
>>But you have time to read alt groups on the Usenet? Dissemble away.
>>
>> --bks
>


Sure, but I didn't come out with a bogus story about how
one cannot both hold down a job spend three hours at a
rally on the weekend.

--bks

Lone Haranguer

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Feb 17, 2003, 4:03:20 PM2/17/03
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No one FAVORS war you dumbass. Only those without a life and
exhibitionists feel it necessary to go out and scream gibberish at
gawkers and TV cameras.

I thought it was encouraging that the mentally ill are a lower
percentage than I thought.
LZ

George Washington

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Feb 17, 2003, 4:11:22 PM2/17/03
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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> George Washington wrote:
> >
> > "Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@White-Star.com> wrote in message
> > news:m6c25vkt7ltk15mao...@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > Funny thing about the big deal everyone is making about these
> > > protests. There were roughly 2.5 million protestors world Wide out of
> > > a total population of around 6 billion. Yet the protestors act like
> > > they are ALL the people. LOL
> >
> > How many people have assembled in FAVOR of war?
>
> No one FAVORS war you dumbass.

Bullshit - as you've demonstrated here since the first day you arrived, war
is the highlight of your pitifully empty life.

> Only those without a life and exhibitionists feel it necessary to go out
and scream gibberish at
> gawkers and TV cameras.

I didn't see you, how come?

Lone Haranguer

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Feb 17, 2003, 4:14:48 PM2/17/03
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George Washington wrote:
>
> "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> news:3E514E18...@direcway.com...
> >
> >
> > George Washington wrote:
> > >
> > > "Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@White-Star.com> wrote in message
> > > news:m6c25vkt7ltk15mao...@4ax.com...
> > > >
> > > > Funny thing about the big deal everyone is making about these
> > > > protests. There were roughly 2.5 million protestors world Wide out of
> > > > a total population of around 6 billion. Yet the protestors act like
> > > > they are ALL the people. LOL
> > >
> > > How many people have assembled in FAVOR of war?
> >
> > No one FAVORS war you dumbass.
>
> Bullshit - as you've demonstrated here since the first day you arrived, war
> is the highlight of your pitifully empty life.

When necessary, war may be the lesser of evils. Ask any people who have
suffered occupation.


>
> > Only those without a life and exhibitionists feel it necessary to go out
> and scream gibberish at
> > gawkers and TV cameras.
>
> I didn't see you, how come?

I was in the chopper dispersing chemicals to neuter the protesters.
With some glee, I might add. Just doing my bit for future generations.
LZ

nurf

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Feb 17, 2003, 6:09:19 PM2/17/03
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The protesters didn't have a harsh word for Sadaam. They aimed all their
slime at Bush. The protesters are too stupid to consider.

the ultimate in liberal rage:
http://www.govnn.com

Pope Dilbert

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Feb 18, 2003, 3:32:48 AM2/18/03
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"Billy Wang" <albert_go...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
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> noiq...@aol.com (NoIQBush) wrote in message
news:<20030215210221...@mb-cn.aol.com>...
> > YES!
>
> The London marches were co-sponsored by MAB (Muslim Assoc. of Britain)
> aka Muslim Brotherhood aka Hamas & Hezbollah. Just like the 1980s
> marches in Europe against Reagan were organzized by the KGB.
>
> 2003 = Marching for continued tyranny of the people in Iraq, Iran,
> Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.
>
> Early 1980 = Marching for the continued tyranny of the people of
> Eastern Europe.
>
> Fortunately, Reagan ignored the KGB marches, deployed the Pershing II
> and started with Star Wars and the Soviet Union died.


Reich wing crap!


>
>
> <from the UK Telegraph>
> If this was a peace march, why did Saddam get no stick?
> By Barbara Amiel
> (Filed: 17/02/2003)
>
> The most revealing aspect of the anti-war march in London was what you
> did not see. You did not see any messages to Saddam Hussein or
> criticism of Iraqi policy.

Asshole .. if your brother is going to rob a store - you try to stop HIS
irrational actions; you do NOT debate the store owner about his prices!!!


Robert

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Feb 18, 2003, 6:55:56 AM2/18/03
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albert_go...@yahoo.com.sg (Billy Wang) wrote in message news:<c8ae6b7a.03021...@posting.google.com>...

> noiq...@aol.com (NoIQBush) wrote in message news:<20030215210221...@mb-cn.aol.com>...
> > YES!
>
> The London marches were co-sponsored by MAB (Muslim Assoc. of Britain)
> aka Muslim Brotherhood aka Hamas & Hezbollah. Just like the 1980s
> marches in Europe against Reagan were organzized by the KGB.
>
> 2003 = Marching for continued tyranny of the people in Iraq, Iran,
> Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.
>

Saudi Arabia? Bush supports them.

Egypt, we give them more aid than any country except Israel.

Who is supporting these dictatorships? No the demonstrators.

George Washington

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Feb 18, 2003, 5:37:10 PM2/18/03
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"Free Thinking Conservative" <f...@GOP.com> wrote in message
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> Those of us that are in FAVOR of the war simply do not have time to
> assemble. You see, we all have jobs. We go to work, and earn our own
> living. We don't let our political party keep us down and scared and
> on welfare. We have too much knowledge for that...

If you were so brilliant, why can't you find a decent job instead of having
to fling McMuffins on weekends (THE PROTESTS WERE ON SATURDAY, genius!!)

George Washington

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Feb 18, 2003, 5:38:05 PM2/18/03
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"Free Thinking Conservative" <f...@GOP.com> wrote in message
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> Perhaps you will see on the news that most of the East coast is
> covered in several feet of snow. So, yes I'm off work today.

[practicing your script, "you want fries with that burger"?]


George Washington

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Feb 18, 2003, 5:39:41 PM2/18/03
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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > I didn't see you, how come?
>
> I was in the chopper dispersing chemicals to neuter the protesters.
> With some glee, I might add. Just doing my bit for future generations.

Blow away any innocent civilians while you were at it? Thankfully you're
beyond an age that you can impregnate, REALLY doing your bit for future
generations.

Lone Haranguer

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Feb 18, 2003, 7:57:29 PM2/18/03
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I didn't see any innocent civilians. Plenty of guilty ones, though.

You flunked biology, huh?
LZ

George Washington

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Feb 18, 2003, 9:06:34 PM2/18/03
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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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That's right, you weren't in Korea so you didn't have an opportunity to
slaughter innocent civilians.

> You flunked biology, huh?

Nope, got an "A", including the course where we learned about your kind, the
genetically inbred.


asylum

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Feb 18, 2003, 9:15:27 PM2/18/03
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"Marilyn Welch" <stay...@mycomputer.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Starkiller wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:52:40 GMT, Marilyn Welch
> > <stay...@mycomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> > >x-no-archive: yes

> > >
> > >PlanetJ wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hamas, Hezbollah, socialists, homosexuals, liberals, communist party,
> > >> unemployed, drug addicts, tree huggers etc. etc. etc. You know, the
typical
> > >> protesters.
> > >
> > >Hey, you forgot ungrateful anti-American Saddam lovers! : -)
> > >
> > >Peace,
> > >
> > >MW

> >
> > Funny thing about the big deal everyone is making about these
> > protests. There were roughly 2.5 million protestors world Wide out of
> > a total population of around 6 billion. Yet the protestors act like
> > they are ALL the people. LOL
> > Regards
> >
> > Starkiller©
>
> The protests are a big deal, a first in the history of civilization.
> Not all the people marched, you are right. The protesters represent
> all the sane people on the planet.

and as poll after poll after poll from countless reputable polling
organisations (the kind that get election results pretty much right) show
around they world they do represent popular opinion, generally in the 70 to
80% range against the war. That most people around the world disagree with
Bush's war is totally unarguable. You can call the protests anything you
like but the popular feeling is indisputable. I travel a lot and have yet to
meet a pro-war sentiment anywhere out side the US. Fact.


ROBW

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Feb 18, 2003, 9:49:23 PM2/18/03
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Did they sponsor the US marches?

Want to try and prove that?

robw

--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel


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ROBW

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Feb 18, 2003, 9:50:49 PM2/18/03
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Yup, the one's driving you out of your f-ing minds right now.

We were hoping for 5000 in Philly.
It was closer to 10,000.

robw

--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel


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ROBW

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Feb 18, 2003, 9:52:57 PM2/18/03
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Funny, but 2 mil for FNC's highest rated show sends the same folks into
orgasmic splendor.

robw

--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel

"Starkiller" <NoSpam.S...@White-Star.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:52:40 GMT, Marilyn Welch
> <stay...@mycomputer.com> wrote:
>
> >x-no-archive: yes
> >
> >PlanetJ wrote:
> >

> >> Hamas, Hezbollah, socialists, homosexuals, liberals, communist party,
> >> unemployed, drug addicts, tree huggers etc. etc. etc. You know, the
typical
> >> protesters.
> >

ROBW

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Feb 18, 2003, 9:57:58 PM2/18/03
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I'm a corporate trainer who works 45-60 hours a week. The beautiful
Artist/Muse with whom I share my life runs a chain book store that does 10
mil a year.

We have time to express our views.

If you don't, you might want to take a time management course.

Or get some convictions that you really believe in.

robw

--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel

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ROBW

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Feb 18, 2003, 10:05:01 PM2/18/03
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So you admit that many of the protesters were young people and not "old
hippies trying to rekindle the '60's"???

Way to go,ace.

robw

--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel

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Matthias Melzer

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Feb 18, 2003, 10:16:04 PM2/18/03
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Stupid try to discredit the demonstrants that came from all political
directions and many cultures.


You although could have said that the are paid by:
- the american liberals
- the french and germans (always good in these days)
- Osama Bin Laden himself.

Would have been the same lie.

Matthias

Lone Haranguer

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Feb 18, 2003, 10:33:11 PM2/18/03
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George Washington wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > I was in the chopper dispersing chemicals to neuter the protesters.
> > > > With some glee, I might add. Just doing my bit for future
> generations.
> > >
> > > Blow away any innocent civilians while you were at it? Thankfully
> you're
> > > beyond an age that you can impregnate, REALLY doing your bit for future
> > > generations.
> >

> > You flunked biology, huh?
>
> Nope, got an "A", including the course where we learned about your kind, the
> genetically inbred.

Then you should know that men can father children well into old age.
LZ

Lone Haranguer

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Feb 18, 2003, 10:43:03 PM2/18/03
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Your knowledge of biology is zero isn't it? Old hippies can father
children. I forgot you went to NYU with the other dummy who calls
himself George Washington. He is equally ignorant on most subjects.
LZ

George Washington

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Feb 18, 2003, 10:59:11 PM2/18/03
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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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I sure do know that, but the operative word is "men", which clearly leaves
you out!

(BTW, glad to see you're still cyber-stalking me, I noticed that when I was
away on vacation last week this newsgroup was spared your venom - you had
nothing to respond to. Pretty shallow life you lead, isn't it?)


George Washington

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Feb 18, 2003, 11:11:35 PM2/18/03
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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> Your knowledge of biology is zero isn't it? Old hippies can father
> children. I forgot you went to NYU with the other dummy who calls
> himself George Washington. He is equally ignorant on most subjects.
> LZ

For your ignorant information, in the late '60s and early '70s, I didn't go
to NYU, but a much higher rated engineering school - on a FULL academic
scholarship (do they teach you the definitions of these words in the swabbie
enlisted-man's military, "Red"?) As a matter of fact, during the '60s I was
a "right-wing conservative", working on the mayoral campaign of William F.
Buckley and the senatorial campaign of James Buckley (BOTH candidates of the
NYS Conservative Party!!). I sneared at the on-campus anti-war
demonstrations at that time, and marched several times in PRO-Vietnam
demonstrations down 5th Avenue in New York (ever hear of the organization
"Young Americans for Freedom"??), and I voted for Richard Nixon in 1968.

So, once again you've put that size 14 foot in your mouth and made a total
fool of yourself. You're really getting good at that.


Lone Haranguer

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Feb 18, 2003, 11:46:33 PM2/18/03
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I'm sure I responded to the usual suspects on a daily basis. I follow 4
newsgroups so you are just a small portion of my workload.

Stop telling lies and I won't have anything to criticize.

Novel thought, huh?
LZ

ROBW

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Feb 19, 2003, 2:16:06 AM2/19/03
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My Pop was "Archie Bunker."
He "fathered" me.
So much for your theory.

Fact:
many of the protesters were young people and not '60's hippies trying to
re-live their youth.

thanks,
robw


--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel


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Billy Wang

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Feb 19, 2003, 10:27:31 AM2/19/03
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The marches were organized and paid for by Islamic terrorist groups.

albert_go...@yahoo.com.sg (Billy Wang) wrote in message news:<c8ae6b7a.03021...@posting.google.com>...

I did not know the UK was filled with so many Muslims and anti-Semities.

Sniper

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Feb 19, 2003, 10:44:46 AM2/19/03
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"Billy Wang" <albert_go...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message >
> I did not know the UK was filled with so many Muslims and anti-Semities.

Really? Oh wow. Did you not know that the UK is crawling with them? It is
like a goddam plague over here.


Lone Haranguer

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Feb 19, 2003, 1:05:12 PM2/19/03
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Too bad your information is so unreliable. None of it checks out or
meets the smell test.
LZ

welsh witch

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*******************
You mean as well as the diseases brought back from the Hajj trip?...as
reported by the gps from Leicester.

http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/countytimes.htm

http://www.gizmoandwidget.com/index.htm


Sniper

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"welsh witch" <webmi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> *******************
> You mean as well as the diseases brought back from the Hajj trip?...as
> reported by the gps from Leicester.

LOL. I really could not comment on that but who knows, we might all have to
end up living in little oxygen tents and that would really play havoc with
my trips to Highbury and Twickenham.

>
> http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/countytimes.htm
>
> http://www.gizmoandwidget.com/index.htm
>
>


Lone Haranguer

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Feb 19, 2003, 1:56:27 PM2/19/03
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ROBW wrote:
>
> My Pop was "Archie Bunker."

Are you the doper son who committed suicide?

> He "fathered" me.
> So much for your theory.
>
> Fact:
> many of the protesters were young people and not '60's hippies trying to
> re-live their youth.
>

Their Pinko social teachers promised them extra credits.
LZ

Andrew Fenton

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Feb 19, 2003, 2:12:34 PM2/19/03
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"welsh witch" <webmi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> You mean as well as the diseases brought back from the Hajj trip?...as


> reported by the gps from Leicester.

That differs from non-Muslim people travelling abroad? What's your problem?


Binky Dawkins

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"welsh witch" <webmi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Sniper" <sni...@nospamenvironmentalterrorist.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b308pe$45o$1...@helle.btinternet.com...
> > "Billy Wang" <albert_go...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message >
> > > I did not know the UK was filled with so many Muslims and
> anti-Semities.
> >
> > Really? Oh wow. Did you not know that the UK is crawling with them?
> It is
> > like a goddam plague over here.
> *******************
> You mean as well as the diseases brought back from the Hajj trip?...as
> reported by the gps from Leicester.

I see another fourteen were killed at the 'stoning of the devils'
ceremony this year. Beggars belief that in 2003, hundreds of thousands of
people fly from all over the earth to sacrifice goats and stone imaginary
devils ?

They tell me that they pay a couple of grand for the trip, and are lucky if
they are only sleeping ten to a room, when they get back, they are coughing
and spluttering for months.


Chris X

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"Andrew Fenton" <andrew...@nospam.lineone.net.nospam> wrote in message
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Besides, we're all innoculated against tuberculosis and even if an otherwise
healthy person should contract TB, it's rarely fatal - a month in hospital
at the most.


Binky Dawkins

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Feb 19, 2003, 2:40:52 PM2/19/03
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"Chris X" <chr...@wherever.org> wrote in message
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>

> Besides, we're all innoculated against tuberculosis and even if an
otherwise
> healthy person should contract TB, it's rarely fatal - a month in hospital
> at the most.

Phew, that's ok then, *just* a month in hospital. Heheheh, no wonder they
call them 'loony' left.


Chris X

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"Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
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Get real, what do you think the odds are of catching TB in the UK these days
for God's sake? You're not one of these nutters who takes out insurances
against being hit by meteorites are you ???

Binky Dawkins

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"Chris X" <chr...@wherever.org> wrote in message
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" Newham in the East End of London, for example, has become the
“tuberculosis capital of the affluent Western world”, according to New
Scientist. The borough has 108 cases of the disease per 100,000 of its
population, putting it ahead of Russia where the collapse of the public
health system has led to 91 cases per 100,000. In India the figure is 41 per
100,000.

The disease thrives wherever people live in poverty, suffer malnutrition,
overcrowding, homelessness and drug addiction. Half of the figures in Newham
are as a result of people from India, Bangladesh and sub-Saharan Africa
seeking asylum. Many asylum seekers carry the microbe in a harmless latent
form. It is the dire conditions they face in Britain that stimulates the
disease."


Mmmmm, where's this from, Telegraph, Mail, some other right wing
propaganda ? Ooops no, it's from The World Socialist web site.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jul2001/tb-j19.shtml

Don't worry though, it's *only* a month in hospital ;oD

Chris X

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> > "Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
> > news:b30mgq$1h7o6e$1...@ID-58803.news.dfncis.de...
>
> Mmmmm, where's this from, Telegraph, Mail, some other right wing
> propaganda ? Ooops no, it's from The World Socialist web site.
>
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jul2001/tb-j19.shtml
>
> Don't worry though, it's *only* a month in hospital ;oD

Time off work, a chance to recharge your batteries etc. Every cloud/Silver
lining etc.


Andrew Fenton

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"Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
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> " Newham in the East End of London, for example, has become the
> "tuberculosis capital of the affluent Western world", according to New
> Scientist. The borough has 108 cases of the disease per 100,000 of its
> population, putting it ahead of Russia where the collapse of the public
> health system has led to 91 cases per 100,000. In India the figure is 41
per
> 100,000.

You're comparing the worst area in Britain with the average of entire
countries? Sheesh.


Binky Dawkins

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"Chris X" <chr...@wherever.org> wrote in message
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Nurses ? Ooooo matron.


Binky Dawkins

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"Andrew Fenton" <andrew...@nospam.lineone.net.nospam> wrote in message
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Me, really ? I thought it was the New Scientist, and the Socialist
World web site ?


Dennis L. Rodgick

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:12:41 GMT, Marilyn Welch
<stay...@mycomputer.com> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Starkiller wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:52:40 GMT, Marilyn Welch
>> <stay...@mycomputer.com> wrote:
>>
>> >x-no-archive: yes
>> >
>> >PlanetJ wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hamas, Hezbollah, socialists, homosexuals, liberals, communist party,
>> >> unemployed, drug addicts, tree huggers etc. etc. etc. You know, the typical
>> >> protesters.
>> >
>> >Hey, you forgot ungrateful anti-American Saddam lovers! : -)
>> >
>> >Peace,
>> >
>> >MW


>>
>> Funny thing about the big deal everyone is making about these
>> protests. There were roughly 2.5 million protestors world Wide out of
>> a total population of around 6 billion. Yet the protestors act like
>> they are ALL the people. LOL

>> Regards
>>
>> Starkiller©
>
>The protests are a big deal, a first in the history of civilization.
>Not all the people marched, you are right. The protesters represent
>all the sane people on the planet.
>
>MW
Yep, shows that there are useful fools for Saddam.
No wonder he would be laughing at you.
Makes you proud doesn't it?

Baroness Edwina Frogbucket

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"Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris X" <chr...@wherever.org> wrote in message
> news:qs2dnfx8BeN...@giganews.com...
> >
> > > > "Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:b30mgq$1h7o6e$1...@ID-58803.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > Don't worry though, it's *only* a month in hospital ;oD
> >
> > Time off work, a chance to recharge your batteries etc. Every
cloud/Silver
> > lining etc.
>
> Nurses ? Ooooo matron.

Nurses!? Sod that. You dunno what you might catch...

--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket


Binky Dawkins

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"Baroness Edwina Frogbucket" <edwina.f...@void.com> wrote in message
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I am willing to sacrifice myself in the interest of science.


George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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Not a surprising response. Once again, you are struck with stark reality,
it doesn't agree with your fantasy or the lessons of Rush Limbaugh, so you
merely dismiss it. It must be miserable to live a life of denial, eh "Red"?


Lone Haranguer

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You're the expert on denial. BTW, I don't listen to Rush. So the
latest tale is that you are a turncoat that once was a right-winger and
now you are a left-winger? Did Stalin's ghost visit you at night and
tell you to switch?
LZ

George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Too bad your information is so unreliable. None of it checks out or
> > > meets the smell test.
> >
> > Not a surprising response. Once again, you are struck with stark
reality,
> > it doesn't agree with your fantasy or the lessons of Rush Limbaugh, so
you
> > merely dismiss it. It must be miserable to live a life of denial, eh
"Red"?
>
> You're the expert on denial. BTW, I don't listen to Rush. So the
> latest tale is that you are a turncoat that once was a right-winger and
> now you are a left-winger? Did Stalin's ghost visit you at night and
> tell you to switch?

A "turncoat" because I saw from the inside how evil and malicious the right
can be, recognized my error, and corrected it before I became a cranky,
nasty, bitter old man rueing the fact that my President chose the interests
of the entire country over the "cola" you were counting on (but didn't earn)
to make ends meet? Hardly, I'm proud to have changed 30+ years ago!

Admit it, the only reason you despise Clinton so much (as noted ad nauseum
here week after week after week) is that he froze the retirement cola of a
few ex-military personnel (a drop in the bucket compared to cuts he made in
many other programs and departments) in order to try to eliminate Ronald
Reagan's deficit. What's the matter, now you can't afford to buy polident
or put an extra sawbuck on that puppy at PGP?


Lone Haranguer

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I picked Clinton as a treacherous scum bag the first minute I ever saw
his face on TV. I'm good at assessing character in short order.

Never had any reason to change that assessment either as he performed
exactly as I expected.

If you knew anything about military retirement you would know the reason
Clinton pissed off the military is that he cut veteran's COLAs but not
civil servants (which would have affected his own pension).

George W. and his administration have passed quite a few raises for
military active duty so money for retirees is scarce. A bill would have
allowed retirees to collect disability pay from the VA and their own
pensions but Rumsfeld nixed it. It amounted to a lot more than a COLA
freeze. The law has been in place for a long time. Another case where
civil service can collect a full pension plus their disability but
military retirees cannot. We'll survive though. I can't spend the
money I have now as fast as it comes in.

However you wouldn't understand principle.
LZ

George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > A "turncoat" because I saw from the inside how evil and malicious the
right
> > can be, recognized my error, and corrected it before I became a cranky,
> > nasty, bitter old man rueing the fact that my President chose the
interests
> > of the entire country over the "cola" you were counting on (but didn't
earn)
> > to make ends meet? Hardly, I'm proud to have changed 30+ years ago!
> >
> > Admit it, the only reason you despise Clinton so much (as noted ad
nauseum
> > here week after week after week) is that he froze the retirement cola of
a
> > few ex-military personnel (a drop in the bucket compared to cuts he made
in
> > many other programs and departments) in order to try to eliminate Ronald
> > Reagan's deficit. What's the matter, now you can't afford to buy
polident
> > or put an extra sawbuck on that puppy at PGP?
>
> I picked Clinton as a treacherous scum bag the first minute I ever saw
> his face on TV. I'm good at assessing character in short order.

Hindsight is so convenient for you, isn't it, you phony bastard?

>
> Never had any reason to change that assessment either as he performed
> exactly as I expected.
>
> If you knew anything about military retirement you would know the reason
> Clinton pissed off the military is that he cut veteran's COLAs but not
> civil servants (which would have affected his own pension).

In fact Clinton DIDN'T "piss off the military", he just pissed off the
lunatic fringe that gets pissed off with any governmental authority (just
like you and your self-professed hero, Timothy McVeigh, who you idolize and
claim was justified in bombing the Federal building in OK City). Other than
the other housebound old codgers that you cavort with in those "veterans'
newgroups", how do you back up your false claim that Clinton pissed off the
military?

>
> George W. and his administration have passed quite a few raises for
> military active duty so money for retirees is scarce.

So why don't you blast baby Bush for not giving you something you don't
deserve, as you've blasted Clinton for so long?

> A bill would have allowed retirees to collect disability pay from the VA
and their own
> pensions but Rumsfeld nixed it. It amounted to a lot more than a COLA
> freeze. The law has been in place for a long time. Another case where
> civil service can collect a full pension plus their disability but
> military retirees cannot. We'll survive though. I can't spend the
> money I have now as fast as it comes in.
>

You're showing your hypocracy - beating on Clinton for doing something that
you admit doesn't have the magnitude of what the Bush administration did.
So at least you have finally admitted that your hatred of Clinton ISN'T
based on what you claimed months ago. Very progressive and "liberal" of
you!


ROBW

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Feb 20, 2003, 2:33:32 AM2/20/03
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If I died of an overdose, would I be posting?

(hint: I didn't say brain dead like you conservatives)

And I guess their "Pinko" teachers did well.


Better than you, apparently.


robw
--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel


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Lone Haranguer

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George Washington wrote:
>
> "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> news:3E5453C4...@direcway.com...
> > >
> > > A "turncoat" because I saw from the inside how evil and malicious the
> right
> > > can be, recognized my error, and corrected it before I became a cranky,
> > > nasty, bitter old man rueing the fact that my President chose the
> interests
> > > of the entire country over the "cola" you were counting on (but didn't
> earn)
> > > to make ends meet? Hardly, I'm proud to have changed 30+ years ago!
> > >
> > > Admit it, the only reason you despise Clinton so much (as noted ad
> nauseum
> > > here week after week after week) is that he froze the retirement cola of
> a
> > > few ex-military personnel (a drop in the bucket compared to cuts he made
> in
> > > many other programs and departments) in order to try to eliminate Ronald
> > > Reagan's deficit. What's the matter, now you can't afford to buy
> polident
> > > or put an extra sawbuck on that puppy at PGP?
> >
> > I picked Clinton as a treacherous scum bag the first minute I ever saw
> > his face on TV. I'm good at assessing character in short order.
>
> Hindsight is so convenient for you, isn't it, you phony bastard?

So you admit I was right in my assessment? Others saw it too and of
course the crooked took advantage of having a fellow crook in the White
House. You abandoned the conservatives because they were evil and
malicious and chose the left because of high principles?

HOO HO HAW, HOO HO HAW, HOO HO HAW!

Right.


>
> >
> > Never had any reason to change that assessment either as he performed
> > exactly as I expected.
> >
> > If you knew anything about military retirement you would know the reason
> > Clinton pissed off the military is that he cut veteran's COLAs but not
> > civil servants (which would have affected his own pension).
>
> In fact Clinton DIDN'T "piss off the military", he just pissed off the
> lunatic fringe that gets pissed off with any governmental authority

You obviously don't belong to any veterans groups.

(just
> like you and your self-professed hero, Timothy McVeigh, who you idolize and
> claim was justified in bombing the Federal building in OK City). Other than
> the other housebound old codgers that you cavort with in those "veterans'
> newgroups", how do you back up your false claim that Clinton pissed off the
> military?

Because they exerted enough pressure to have the freeze rescinded.


>
> >
> > George W. and his administration have passed quite a few raises for
> > military active duty so money for retirees is scarce.
>
> So why don't you blast baby Bush for not giving you something you don't
> deserve, as you've blasted Clinton for so long?

I already have, in numerous posts.


>
> > A bill would have allowed retirees to collect disability pay from the VA
> and their own
> > pensions but Rumsfeld nixed it. It amounted to a lot more than a COLA
> > freeze. The law has been in place for a long time. Another case where
> > civil service can collect a full pension plus their disability but
> > military retirees cannot. We'll survive though. I can't spend the
> > money I have now as fast as it comes in.
> >
>
> You're showing your hypocracy - beating on Clinton for doing something that
> you admit doesn't have the magnitude of what the Bush administration did.
> So at least you have finally admitted that your hatred of Clinton ISN'T
> based on what you claimed months ago. Very progressive and "liberal" of
> you!

The Clinton regime AUTHORED the bill which punished the military.

The Bush regime FAILED TO OVERTURN a law which has been in place for
100+ years.

This may be too subtle for you to comprehend. Perchance the neighbor's
dachshund could help you out here.
LZ

Lone Haranguer

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ROBW wrote:
>
> If I died of an overdose, would I be posting?

You were the one who called yourself the son of Archie Bunker. Or
didn't you know what happened to his son?


>
> (hint: I didn't say brain dead like you conservatives)
>
> And I guess their "Pinko" teachers did well.

Not that many people showed up.
>
> Better than you, apparently.

If one million marched, 279 million didn't march. You do the math.
Below is the list of your sponsors. A pretty scummy group. Wonder how
much the board of directors pay themselves out of the money collected in
this scam.

Did you see the morons interviewed on Fox News? Not a one knew what
they were marching for. HOO HAW!
LZ


> > International Action Center
> > American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Ctt, NY, LA, Ct.
> > Bishop Thomas Gumbleton
> > Rabbi Michael Feinberg, NY Labor-Religion Coalition
> > SF Food Not Bombs
> > Women's Strike for Peace
> > Women for Mutual Security
> > Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
> > Iraq Action Coalition
> > IFCO/Pastors for Peace
> > Voices in the Wilderness
> > Catholic Worker
> > Canberra Program for Peace, Australia
> > Metro Peace Action NY
> > American Muslim Alliance
> > Howard Zinn, author
> > Emergency Committee Against US
> > Intervention in Persian Gulf, MN
> > People's Fightback Center, Cleveland
> > Save the Iraqi Children Comtt., LA, CA
> > Michael Tarif Warren, Attorney at Law
> > Tod Ensign, Citizen Solider
> > West Harlem Coalition
> > Iraqi-American Cultural Society
> > National Council on Islamic Affairs
> > Committee in Support of Iraqi People
> > International Relief Association
> > Workfairness
> > War & Peace Foundation
> > Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)
> > Almighty Latin King & Queen Nation
> > Bruderhof Communities
> > Int'l Commission. Of Inquiry on Economic Sanctions
> > Nomura Osami, Peace Suitors at Tokyo
> > Nicaragua Solidarity Network of NY
> > North Americans for Social Justice, Florence, Italy
> > CGIL trade union, U. of Florence
> > Immigrant Workers Council, CGIL
> > CLC, Florence, Italy
> > Canadian Voice of Women for Peace
> > John Veen, Secretary, Fresno Center for Nonviolence, CA
> > Women Concerned about the Middle East, Berkeley, CA
> > British Anti-Sanction (Iraq) Committee "BASIC"
> > Scotland Against Sanctions
> > Campaign Against Iraq Sanctions "CAIS", Britain
> > Arab Lawyers Network, Britain
> > Hernri Nereaux, VP Ret., Masters Mates & Pilots
> > All People Congress
> > Dr. Sapphire Ahmed
> > Dr. Michio Kaku, Prof. CUNY
> > Jessica Smith & Daniel Woulfin, POB-
> > JFK High School
> > Palestinian American Women's Org.
> > Middle East Children's Alliance
> > Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition
> > Jericho "98"
> > League of Filipino Students
> > Comité Puerto Rico '98, NYC
> > American Muslims for Global Peace & Justice
> > Philippines Info. Network Services
> > Workers World Party
> > Global Exchange
> > National Peoples Campaign
> > Ron David, Author Arabs & Israel for Beginners, Radius of
Arab-American
> > Writer, RAWI
> > Vietnam Veterens Against the War Anti-Imperialist
> > A. Ali, Ph.D, Exe. Dir., American-Arab Instit. for Strategic
Studies
> > Prof. Mark C Rosenzweig, Hofstra U., editor, Progressive
Librarian
> > Arab American League of Voters of NJ
> > Muslim Student Association, Univ. of Louisville, KY
> > Dr. L. Clarke, Faculty, Depart. Asian & Middle Eastern
Studies, U. of PA
> > Red Balloon Collective
> > Roger A. Baker, M.D., San Antonio
> > Prof. Mark Taylor, Princeton Theological Seminary
> > Christopher Phelps, Editorial Director, Monthly Review Press
> > Mark A. Thiel, coordinator Ruchell
> > Magee Defense Fund
> > Ahdaf Soueif, Author, Al-Furqan
> > Islamic Heritage Foundation, London
> > Peter Urban, N. American Coordinator, Irish Republican
Socialist Comm.
> > The 11th Hour Peace Coalition
> > Waleed Elgindy, ADC, Indiana U.
> > American Homeless Society
> > World Homeless Union
> > Global Homeless Network
> > Michael J. Cohen, Ed.D., Project NatureConnect, Ins.of
Global Ed.
> > Kjell Pettersson, Chair, Socialist Party of Sweden.
> > Elder Bill Lightbown Kootenai Nation, Ts'peten Defence
Committee
> > Dacajewiah/Splitting the Sky
> > John Hill:Free the Wolverine Campaign, Wolverine aka
Jones
> > William Ignace Shuswap Nation
> > OJ Pitawanakwat - Anishinabe Nation
> > S.I.S.I.S - Settlers in Support of Indigenous Sovereignty
> > Tampa Bay Coali. for Peace with Iraq
> > Action Site to Stop Cassini Earth Flyby
> > Ron Jacobs, author, Burlington, VT
> > The Great Speckled Bird
> > Nanoose Conversion Campaign, Vancouver, BC
> > Proposition One Committee, DC
> > Organization for Sensible & Effective Prison Policy, DC
> > S. African Communities Organizing for Public Safety, DC
> > Gustavus Juggling Socialists, Gustavus Adolphus College,
St. Peter, MN
> > Industrial Workers of the World
> > The Nuclear Resister, Tucson, AZ
> > Cecíl Marie Cancel, Professor of History and Politics, San
Juan, Puerto
> > Rico
> > Cape Codders Against Racism, MA
> > Puerto Rico Collective, Hunter College, NY
> > Sidwell Friends School, Wash., D.C
> > Mike Maggio, Poet & Writer
> > The Swedish Brand
> > Michael Swartzbeck, artist, Wash., DC,
> > Tad Daley, J.D., Ph.D. Founder & Pres., The Campaign for a
New UN
> > Charter
> > Dan Spencer Prof. of Religion Drake U
> > Imad Atallah of Boston, MA.
> > Salih J. Altoma, Former Dir. of Middle Eastern Studies,
Indiana U.
> > Tamil Edu Group, Switzerland and The Netherlands
> > Alan Whykes, Sec., The Islamic Assoc. of Muslim Greeks,
Australia
> > (IAMGA)
> > Charlie Wilken, San Fernando Valley Greens
> > U.S. Friends of Soviet People
> > Queers For Racial & Economic Justice
> > Nukewatch, Wisconsin
> > Radio For Peace Inter'l, Costa Rica
> > Icelandic Committee against the Sanctions on Iraq
> > Leslie Feinberg, transgender author/activist
> > Minnie Bruce Pratt, author, anti-racist activist, UAW Local
1981
> > Gery Armsby, cofounder, Southern Arizona Gender Alliance
> > Debjani Das, Project Officer, Liaison Cttee of NGDOs to the
EU Belgium
> > Grassroots News Network
> > East Timor Action Network
> > Supporting Movement for Democratisation in Indonesia
> > Coordination group for Support People's Resistance in
Indonesia
> > [CSVI], Amsterdam , The Netherlands
> > National Association of Arab-Americans
> > Middle East Crisis Cttee, New Haven
> > Houston All Peoples Congress
> > Nukewatch, Wisconsin
> > Icelandic Committee against the Sanctions on Iraq
> > Southern Arizona Gender Alliance
> > Debjani Das, Project Off., Liaison Cttee of NGDOs to the EU
Belgium
> > Grassroots News Network
> > Judith Kegan Gardiner,Professor of English & Women's
Studies, U.of
> > Illinois at Chicago
> > Earth Action, Pei, Canada
> > Island Residents Against Toxic Environments (IRATE), Pei,
Canada
> > Peacesmith of Long Island NY-Amnesty
> > Hussein Mehdi, President,Islamic
> > Center of Northridge, Muslim Student Association, CA
> > Jeff Leys, Union Representative, District 1199W / SEIU, WI
> > John W. Willmott, Founder - director Progressive Liberty
Party, FL
> > Hasan Ali, Treasurer, Madina Activity Center, Arlington,
Texas
> > Daniel Egan,Dep. Sociology Anthropology, Middlebury
College
> > Jan Slakov, President, Enviro-Clare
> > Farizan Shahabudin, Anti Immoral War, Malaysia
> > Melodie Malfa, Pres., Eco-Rollins, Winter Park,FL
> > Elizabeth Helsinger, Professor, University of Chicago
> > Dr. Tom Nagy, Assoc. Prof. of Expert Systems, George
Washington U.
> > Erick I. Matsanza,, The Voice of Reason, Kenya
> > Joyce Chumbley, Free Radicals of Orlando, FL
> > Joy Braunstein, SERVE, VT
> > Janet Mayes, Ph.D. & Sue Harris, Ph.D.,Co-Directors
Planetarium
> > Consulting New York
> > Jack Michon, Los Angeles Greens
> > Peace for Colombia, Binghamton, NY
> > Kaz Tamaki, Peace and Justice
> > James A. Johnson, Carbondale, Illinois
> > Bruce Robbins
> > Jon Witsell
> > Enver Masud, The Wisdom Fund. Arlington, VA
> > Andrea Domenici, Pisa, Italy
> > Phil Runkel, Catholic Worker Archivist, Milwaukee
> > Mr. T.Kalaiarasan, Tamil activist,The Netherlands
> > Abdulwahab M. Asamarai, Chairman, Minnesota Alliance for
Iraqi Children
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Cornell
> > University
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Law Firm,
> > Fairfield, CA
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Action Committee)
> > Stacy Scheff, Producer, London Pacific Productions, Santa
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> > David Horvath, Coordinator, Witness for Peace Louisville,
Louisville
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> > Council on Latin America, Pastors for Peace-Louisville,
University of
> > Louisville Faculty
> > Committee for Peace and Justice
> > Tom Johnson, Writer, National Writers Union (for ID only)
> > Iftekhar M. Ali, Engineer, Griffith, IN
> > Marena Sabo, Chicago, IL
> > Marie Ariel, Cambridge, MA
> > Matthew A. Blokzyl, Student, San
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> > Andrew Libson, Postdoc, SF, CA
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> > Hazim Mohammed, Member, Muslim Student Association @
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non-profit
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> > Lester M. Blough, President, Rehabilitation Management
Consultants,
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> > Iraq Anti Sanctions Campaign at the University of Chicago
> > Yaser ElMenshawy, Chairman, Majlis
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> > Obispo
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Contemporary
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> > Nancy Gust, President, Stage One, MA
> > Steve Freedkin, Past Exec. Dir., Peace Resource Center of
Santa Barbara,
> > CA
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> > Miriam Oppenheimer, Green America, Miami Beach, Fl
> > Rev. Robyn Kramer, First Congregational United Church of
Christ, Steger,
> > IL
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> > Judith Wittner, Graduate Program Dir., Dept. of Sociology &
> > Anthropology, Loyola U.,
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> > Michaelann Bewsee, Co-Pres., Arise for Social Justice,
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> > Jason Adams, Secretary, Gainesville IWW GMB, Gainesville,
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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
news:3E5550A5...@direcway.com...

>
>
> ROBW wrote:
> >
> > If I died of an overdose, would I be posting?
>
> You were the one who called yourself the son of Archie Bunker. Or
> didn't you know what happened to his son?

"Archie Bunker" didn't have a son, he had a daughter, dimwit.

> >
> > (hint: I didn't say brain dead like you conservatives)
> >
> > And I guess their "Pinko" teachers did well.
>
> Not that many people showed up.
> >
> > Better than you, apparently.
>
> If one million marched, 279 million didn't march. You do the math.


> Below is the list of your sponsors. A pretty scummy group. Wonder how
> much the board of directors pay themselves out of the money collected in
> this scam.
>
> Did you see the morons interviewed on Fox News? Not a one knew what
> they were marching for. HOO HAW!

Faux News? They must have interviewed a hundred people and shown only the
worst of the interviewees. They are hardly thought of (except by
themselves) as "objective" reporters of news.

Looks pretty much like a cross-section of America and other nations.

Where did this list come from? Is this a complete list? What do you have
against any of these groups or people anyway? Why don't you like Catholics,
women, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Scandinavians, Europeans, doctors, lawyers,
professors, high school teachers, laborers, soldiers, classical musicians,
artists, museum directors, etc., etc.? Is is because none of them are named
Zimmermann, or are you just against anyone not interesting in blowing away
civilians?

George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
news:3E5524C0...@direcway.com...

> >
> > Hindsight is so convenient for you, isn't it, you phony bastard?
>
> So you admit I was right in my assessment? Others saw it too and of
> course the crooked took advantage of having a fellow crook in the White
> House. You abandoned the conservatives because they were evil and
> malicious and chose the left because of high principles?

So many others saw it that he was elected over an incumbent president
(doesn't happen too often in history) and literally thrashed Dole to be
re-elected. And yes, I "abandoned" the conservatives because I saw them as
from the inside as they truly are - evil, malicious, destructive, and
loathesome. I know you have a hard time understanding that, but what else
would we expect from someone who has NO principles?

> >
> > In fact Clinton DIDN'T "piss off the military", he just pissed off the
> > lunatic fringe that gets pissed off with any governmental authority
>
> You obviously don't belong to any veterans groups.

No I don't, and I guess I came too close to the truth since you're
uncharacteristically mute on the point.


>
> (just
> > like you and your self-professed hero, Timothy McVeigh, who you idolize
and
> > claim was justified in bombing the Federal building in OK City). Other
than
> > the other housebound old codgers that you cavort with in those
"veterans'
> > newgroups", how do you back up your false claim that Clinton pissed off
the
> > military?
>
> Because they exerted enough pressure to have the freeze rescinded.

Sure - maybe they had more money to go around because of Clinton's excellent
management of the government and budget.

> >
> > >
> > > George W. and his administration have passed quite a few raises for
> > > military active duty so money for retirees is scarce.
> >
> > So why don't you blast baby Bush for not giving you something you don't
> > deserve, as you've blasted Clinton for so long?
>
> I already have, in numerous posts.

"Numerous"? Certainly not here.

> >
> > > A bill would have allowed retirees to collect disability pay from the
VA
> > and their own
> > > pensions but Rumsfeld nixed it. It amounted to a lot more than a COLA
> > > freeze. The law has been in place for a long time. Another case
where
> > > civil service can collect a full pension plus their disability but
> > > military retirees cannot. We'll survive though. I can't spend the
> > > money I have now as fast as it comes in.
> > >
> >
> > You're showing your hypocracy - beating on Clinton for doing something
that
> > you admit doesn't have the magnitude of what the Bush administration
did.
> > So at least you have finally admitted that your hatred of Clinton ISN'T
> > based on what you claimed months ago. Very progressive and "liberal" of
> > you!
>
> The Clinton regime AUTHORED the bill which punished the military.

And what was that? Surely you can create something.

>
> The Bush regime FAILED TO OVERTURN a law which has been in place for
> 100+ years.

And what was that?

>
> This may be too subtle for you to comprehend. Perchance the neighbor's
> dachshund could help you out here.

We don't allow pets or Zimmermann family members in this community.


Lone Haranguer

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George Washington wrote:
>
> "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> news:3E5550A5...@direcway.com...
> >
> >
> > ROBW wrote:
> > >
> > > If I died of an overdose, would I be posting?
> >
> > You were the one who called yourself the son of Archie Bunker. Or
> > didn't you know what happened to his son?
>
> "Archie Bunker" didn't have a son, he had a daughter, dimwit.

Tell Robw. He claimed to be the son of Archie Bunker. However the
person who played Archie had a son who OD'd on drugs. Now buzz off
pussy pimper.

> > >
> > > (hint: I didn't say brain dead like you conservatives)
> > >
> > > And I guess their "Pinko" teachers did well.
> >
> > Not that many people showed up.
> > >
> > > Better than you, apparently.
> >
> > If one million marched, 279 million didn't march. You do the math.
>
> > Below is the list of your sponsors. A pretty scummy group. Wonder how
> > much the board of directors pay themselves out of the money collected in
> > this scam.
> >
> > Did you see the morons interviewed on Fox News? Not a one knew what
> > they were marching for. HOO HAW!
>
> Faux News? They must have interviewed a hundred people and shown only the
> worst of the interviewees. They are hardly thought of (except by
> themselves) as "objective" reporters of news.

Why don't you prove that? They cover quite a few items that the
Networks ignore. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC now known as the censorship
networks.
LZ

Lone Haranguer

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Feb 20, 2003, 9:46:20 PM2/20/03
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George Washington wrote:
>
> "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> news:3E5524C0...@direcway.com...
> > >
> > > Hindsight is so convenient for you, isn't it, you phony bastard?
> >
> > So you admit I was right in my assessment? Others saw it too and of
> > course the crooked took advantage of having a fellow crook in the White
> > House. You abandoned the conservatives because they were evil and
> > malicious and chose the left because of high principles?
>
> So many others saw it that he was elected over an incumbent president
> (doesn't happen too often in history) and literally thrashed Dole to be
> re-elected. And yes, I "abandoned" the conservatives because I saw them as
> from the inside as they truly are - evil, malicious, destructive, and
> loathesome. I know you have a hard time understanding that, but what else
> would we expect from someone who has NO principles?

Fortunately Bubba had Perot to muddy the waters. I often wondered how
much Perot was paid to play the part. Of course he hated Bush and may
have done it just to get even.

>
> > >
> > > In fact Clinton DIDN'T "piss off the military", he just pissed off the
> > > lunatic fringe that gets pissed off with any governmental authority
> >
> > You obviously don't belong to any veterans groups.
>
> No I don't, and I guess I came too close to the truth since you're
> uncharacteristically mute on the point.

It was meant to show you didn't know what you were talking about because
he pissed off the veteran's groups plenty. It was their lobbying that
got the COLAs reinstated.

If you knew anything on the subject, you would know that much.


> >
> > (just
> > > like you and your self-professed hero, Timothy McVeigh, who you idolize
> and
> > > claim was justified in bombing the Federal building in OK City). Other
> than
> > > the other housebound old codgers that you cavort with in those
> "veterans'
> > > newgroups", how do you back up your false claim that Clinton pissed off
> the
> > > military?
> >
> > Because they exerted enough pressure to have the freeze rescinded.
>
> Sure - maybe they had more money to go around because of Clinton's excellent
> management of the government and budget.

He couldn't even manage his zipper. He did raise taxes though and even
started taxing Social Security once you have an income of $32,000. He
considered that income to place one in the "rich" category.


>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > George W. and his administration have passed quite a few raises for
> > > > military active duty so money for retirees is scarce.
> > >
> > > So why don't you blast baby Bush for not giving you something you don't
> > > deserve, as you've blasted Clinton for so long?
> >
> > I already have, in numerous posts.
>
> "Numerous"? Certainly not here.

I post to 4 groups. It's been a hot topic on the military newsgroups.


>
> > >
> > > > A bill would have allowed retirees to collect disability pay from the
> VA
> > > and their own
> > > > pensions but Rumsfeld nixed it. It amounted to a lot more than a COLA
> > > > freeze. The law has been in place for a long time. Another case
> where
> > > > civil service can collect a full pension plus their disability but
> > > > military retirees cannot. We'll survive though. I can't spend the
> > > > money I have now as fast as it comes in.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You're showing your hypocracy - beating on Clinton for doing something
> that
> > > you admit doesn't have the magnitude of what the Bush administration
> did.
> > > So at least you have finally admitted that your hatred of Clinton ISN'T
> > > based on what you claimed months ago. Very progressive and "liberal" of
> > > you!
> >
> > The Clinton regime AUTHORED the bill which punished the military.
>
> And what was that? Surely you can create something.

The '93 budget, dummy.


>
> >
> > The Bush regime FAILED TO OVERTURN a law which has been in place for
> > 100+ years.
>
> And what was that?

Depriving retired military from collecting their VA disability and their
pension while allowing civil service retirees to collect both.

Don't you know ANYTHING?


>
> >
> > This may be too subtle for you to comprehend. Perchance the neighbor's
> > dachshund could help you out here.
>
> We don't allow pets or Zimmermann family members in this community.

I assure you wild burros couldn't drag me to visit New York City again.
Twice was enough.
LZ

Quantum Leap

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Greetings...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:32:48 GMT, "Pope Dilbert" <Vat...@NYC.com> wrote:

>Reich wing crap!

AH! So instead of doing your homework as I told you to discover the truth for yourself,
You persist as the useful idiot. Your ignorance is now shown as a lie -

I was wrong Lefty Pope Quisling Dilbert - You HAVE made your stand. My respect for
you has grown immensely! You are now rated slightly lower that Sodom Insane. After all
you are his employee in spirit...

Congratulation Lefty Pope Quisling Dilbert, You have joined the ranks of the Workers
World party. I expect to see your smiling face on the human shield Bus next thursday
leaving from turkey.
Remember to burn your US passport at the border AFTER you show it to the republican
guards Not before like the last group of useful idiots did.. Those morons were detained
from lack of ID and will probably not get the chance to shield your glorious leader from
the shrapnel... We wouldn't want you to be absent when the bombs start falling now would
we...

PAX AMERICANA!!

-----------------------------------
There is only the here and now.
Everything else is just an illusion.

George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> George Washington wrote:
> >
> > "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E5550A5...@direcway.com...
> > > You were the one who called yourself the son of Archie Bunker. Or
> > > didn't you know what happened to his son?
> >
> > "Archie Bunker" didn't have a son, he had a daughter, dimwit.
>
> Tell Robw. He claimed to be the son of Archie Bunker. However the
> person who played Archie had a son who OD'd on drugs.

No shit, but that didn't have anything with what he said. And it's no
wonder that you're such an expert on Archie Bunker, you've patterned your
life after him.

> Now buzz off pussy pimper.

Make me, murderer.

>
> > > >
> > > > (hint: I didn't say brain dead like you conservatives)
> > > >
> > > > And I guess their "Pinko" teachers did well.
> > >
> > > Not that many people showed up.
> > > >
> > > > Better than you, apparently.
> > >
> > > If one million marched, 279 million didn't march. You do the math.
> >
> > > Below is the list of your sponsors. A pretty scummy group. Wonder
how
> > > much the board of directors pay themselves out of the money collected
in
> > > this scam.
> > >
> > > Did you see the morons interviewed on Fox News? Not a one knew what
> > > they were marching for. HOO HAW!
> >
> > Faux News? They must have interviewed a hundred people and shown only
the
> > worst of the interviewees. They are hardly thought of (except by
> > themselves) as "objective" reporters of news.
>
> Why don't you prove that? They cover quite a few items that the
> Networks ignore. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC now known as the censorship
> networks.

And why don't YOU prove YOUR inane, baseless statement. What you call
"censorship" rational thinking people call ignoring useless chatter (much
like the way you're treated by society outside your trailer park).

> > Looks pretty much like a cross-section of America and other nations.
> >
> > Where did this list come from? Is this a complete list? What do you
have
> > against any of these groups or people anyway? Why don't you like
Catholics,
> > women, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Scandinavians, Europeans, doctors,
lawyers,
> > professors, high school teachers, laborers, soldiers, classical
musicians,
> > artists, museum directors, etc., etc.? Is is because none of them are
named
> > Zimmermann, or are you just against anyone not interesting in blowing
away
> > civilians?

We're waiting...........................


George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> George Washington wrote:
> >
> > "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E5524C0...@direcway.com...
> > > >
> >
> > So many others saw it that he was elected over an incumbent president
> > (doesn't happen too often in history) and literally thrashed Dole to be
> > re-elected. And yes, I "abandoned" the conservatives because I saw them
as
> > from the inside as they truly are - evil, malicious, destructive, and
> > loathesome. I know you have a hard time understanding that, but what
else
> > would we expect from someone who has NO principles?
>
> Fortunately Bubba had Perot to muddy the waters. I often wondered how
> much Perot was paid to play the part. Of course he hated Bush and may
> have done it just to get even.

"May" have done it.....you're still maintaining your record for speculation
in lieu of fact.

You can find excuses for everything in life, can't you. If that totally
insane statement were true, why did he "allow" the hated Bush's idiot
drug-abusing self-admitted alcoholic son to win? So much for your theory.

> > > >
> > > > In fact Clinton DIDN'T "piss off the military", he just pissed off
the
> > > > lunatic fringe that gets pissed off with any governmental authority
> > >
> > > You obviously don't belong to any veterans groups.
> >
> > No I don't, and I guess I came too close to the truth since you're
> > uncharacteristically mute on the point.
>
> It was meant to show you didn't know what you were talking about because
> he pissed off the veteran's groups plenty. It was their lobbying that
> got the COLAs reinstated.

Do you have anything to base this speculation on, or is it just the result
of those refried beans you ate last night at the dog track? You give WAY
too much credit to those veterans' newsgroups nee biker bars.


>
> If you knew anything on the subject, you would know that much.
>

If I knew anything on the subject I'd know more than you.


> >
> > Sure - maybe they had more money to go around because of Clinton's
excellent
> > management of the government and budget.
>
> He couldn't even manage his zipper.

Didn't need to, he had Monica and Zimmermann family members to do it for
him.


> He did raise taxes though and even started taxing Social Security once you
have an income of $32,000. He
> considered that income to place one in the "rich" category.

Clinton didn't raise taxes NEARLY as much as Reagan/Bush did, and he didn't
eliminate nearly as many long-standing deductions as Reagan/Bush. Not only
did Reagan "manage" the economy into ridiculously high unemployment, but he
added insult to injury by taxing unemployment benefits - benefits that were
PAID for previously through payroll deductions in the first place. Don't
get on the subject of comparative tax increases with respect to Clinton -
fact will win out and once again you'll find yourself in the corner licking
your wounds (and probably something else, puppy!)

And don't forget (though I'm sure you will and deny reality once again) that
Clinton also eliminated Reagan's/Bush's deficit (which was more when he left
office than the cumulative deficits of all previous presidents combined
going back to my namesake, George Washington)

> > >
> > > I already have, in numerous posts.
> >
> > "Numerous"? Certainly not here.
>
> I post to 4 groups. It's been a hot topic on the military newsgroups.

Normal people don't troll military newsgroups - blowing smoke again, I see.

> > >
> > > The Bush regime FAILED TO OVERTURN a law which has been in place for
> > > 100+ years.
> >
> > And what was that?
>
> Depriving retired military from collecting their VA disability and their
> pension while allowing civil service retirees to collect both.

That was the "law" that you're spouting about? Anything more specific?
Didn't think so.

>
> Don't you know ANYTHING?
> >
> > >
> > > This may be too subtle for you to comprehend. Perchance the
neighbor's
> > > dachshund could help you out here.
> >
> > We don't allow pets or Zimmermann family members in this community.
>
> I assure you wild burros couldn't drag me to visit New York City again.
> Twice was enough.

Thanks.........NYC smells better already (but you recall I don't live in
NYC, Al Zheimer).


Lone Haranguer

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to
George Washington wrote:
> "Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
> news:3E558FA5...@direcway.com...
>
>>
>>George Washington wrote:
>>
>>>"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3E5550A5...@direcway.com...
>>>
>>>>You were the one who called yourself the son of Archie Bunker. Or
>>>>didn't you know what happened to his son?
>>>
>>>"Archie Bunker" didn't have a son, he had a daughter, dimwit.
>>
>>Tell Robw. He claimed to be the son of Archie Bunker. However the
>>person who played Archie had a son who OD'd on drugs.
>
>
> No shit, but that didn't have anything with what he said.

So he said he was the son of Archie Bunker. Since the CHARACTER
didn't have a son, he must have meant the actor who played him.

Or is that too difficult for you to grasp?

And it's no
> wonder that you're such an expert on Archie Bunker, you've patterned your
> life after him.

Did he spend 21 years on active duty? I don't think so.>

>
>>Now buzz off pussy pimper.
>
>
> Make me, murderer.

I think my charge has more validity than yours. Didn't you pimp
your mother and sister for a living?

>
>
>>>>>(hint: I didn't say brain dead like you conservatives)
>>>>>
>>>>>And I guess their "Pinko" teachers did well.
>>>>
>>>>Not that many people showed up.
>>>>
>>>>>Better than you, apparently.
>>>>
>>>>If one million marched, 279 million didn't march. You do the math.
>>>
>>>>Below is the list of your sponsors. A pretty scummy group. Wonder
>>>
> how
>
>>>>much the board of directors pay themselves out of the money collected
>>>
> in
>
>>>>this scam.
>>>>
>>>>Did you see the morons interviewed on Fox News? Not a one knew what
>>>>they were marching for. HOO HAW!
>>>
>>>Faux News? They must have interviewed a hundred people and shown only
>>
> the
>
>>>worst of the interviewees. They are hardly thought of (except by
>>>themselves) as "objective" reporters of news.
>>
>>Why don't you prove that? They cover quite a few items that the
>>Networks ignore. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC now known as the censorship
>>networks.
>
>
> And why don't YOU prove YOUR inane, baseless statement. What you call
> "censorship" rational thinking people call ignoring useless chatter (much
> like the way you're treated by society outside your trailer park).
>

What's to prove? Anyone who saw the interviews with protesters
pulled right out of the march saw what I saw.

The fact that you are in denial is irrelevant.

>
>>>Looks pretty much like a cross-section of America and other nations.
>>>
>>>Where did this list come from? Is this a complete list? What do you
>>
> have
>
>>>against any of these groups or people anyway? Why don't you like
>>
> Catholics,
>
>>>women, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Scandinavians, Europeans, doctors,
>>
> lawyers,
>
>>>professors, high school teachers, laborers, soldiers, classical
>>
> musicians,
>
>>>artists, museum directors, etc., etc.? Is is because none of them are
>>
> named
>
>>>Zimmermann, or are you just against anyone not interesting in blowing
>>
> away
>
>>>civilians?
>>
>
> We're waiting...........................
>

But mostly Socialists and Arab supporters like you.
LZ

Nick Cooper

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On 19 Feb 2003 07:27:31 -0800, albert_go...@yahoo.com.sg (Billy
Wang) wrote:

>The marches were organized and paid for by Islamic terrorist groups.

Prove it.
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." [Rudyard Kipling]

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Quantum Leap

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Feb 23, 2003, 5:29:26 PM2/23/03
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Greetings...

>> > Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney

That should read EX - Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney... AKA The cutest little communist
in Congress...


>> > Cape Codders Against Racism, MA

I know this group personally - a bunch of drunken fags and lesbian's That got beaten up
or blatantly ignored in high school repeatedly. Many of which are drug addicts,
alcoholics and pedophiles. In the last few years I know of at least 2 fringe members
which have committed suicide directly related to their perverted lurid lifestyle. They
include sympathetic members of Stormfront a Neo-Nazi Skinhead organization. Which they
keep around simply because of the kinky sex and the drug connections. Many of these
members have become some of the most successful drug importers on Cape Cod.

The self destructive tendencies of the liberal mind never ceases to amaze and astound
me.

>> > Abdulwahab M. Asamarai, Chairman, Minnesota Alliance for
>Iraqi Children

A group which is currently being investigated by the FBI for suspected funneling of
funds directly to Alquaeda... Also suspected of directly transporting Islamic insurgents
illegally across the Canadian border and harboring terrorist cell members. You can bet
that when the war starts, this group will mysteriously disappear...


>> > Organization of Revolutionary Worker of Iran (Rahe Kargar)

This is Iranian military Intelligence front group. Charged with Infiltration of US
universities. Whether or not they are militant is not yet known. But are known to
support Indirectly:


>> > Arab Students Association, Louisiana
>> > State U., Baton Rouge, LA

AKA Mecca on the Mississippi...

----------------------------------------------------

>> > > > ROBW wrote:
>> > > Fact:
>> > > many of the protesters were young people and not '60's hippies trying to
>> > > re-live their youth.

And I hear that the dope was amazing! Some teens interviewed by Fox News claimed that
that was the ONLY reason they showed up. Because they were promised "some really good
weed by the teachers" They had no other reason for being there. Sure they cheered and
chanted, that was simply, in their minds, the price of admission "to get stoned". Other
than the weed, they couldn't have cared less about your silly little rabble rousing....

>> > > > ROBW wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So you admit that many of the protesters were young people and not
>> "old
>> > > > > hippies trying to rekindle the '60's"???

Sounds to me like that was exactly what they had on their minds.... Dope up some
ignorant skulls full of mush, prance around like in the bad old days of their youth while
surrounded once again by young stupid drugged into willingness female bodies...

Too bad it wasn't summer time eh?
Too bad the blizzard cut short the frivolities eh?

Pray tell Comrade Lefty Robw, what exactly is the essential difference between now and
then in YOUR pathetic little narrow mind? Was it frustrating not being able to GET SOME
because it's difficult to convince a drugged teenage girl to take her cloths off in the
cold? What a shame, and you drove all that way too... Kind of Anti-Climatic isn't it?...

PAX AMERICANA!!


Immunizing America against leftist socialist mental disorder and defending America's
borders, language and culture against the liberal Onslaught. A totally volunteer effort.

George Washington

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"Lone Haranguer" <lin...@direcway.com> wrote in message
news:3E5592FC...@direcway.com...

Yeah we know, sure. But your protestations are falling on deaf ears here,
since you respond to EVERYTHING posted by my. All you do is blast Clinton
and the democrats no matter where you go, and in your mind Bush gets a free
pass on everything (and just what does Serbia have to do with
"outdoors.rv.travel", one of the other newsgroups you post to?)

> >
> > We don't allow pets or Zimmermann family members in this community.
>
> I assure you wild burros couldn't drag me to visit New York City again.

That's one thing about you we're greatful for, "Red".

ROBW

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Feb 23, 2003, 8:30:45 PM2/23/03
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You're funny.

robw

--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel


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Adam Selene

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Feb 26, 2003, 12:03:25 AM2/26/03
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Greetings...

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:30:45 -0500, "ROBW" <nodd...@comcast.net> wrote:

>You're funny.
>
>robw

That's it? That's the extent of your reposte? Well....

I'd have to admit that You sir, are NO fun at all! ;)

And here I was hoping that you would at least have the curtesy to give me more than two
words!

I'll leave you alone for a while and go after your alter ego - Comrade Lefty Groedy
Green - Now he seems to be a flaming liberal spirit...


Harumpf!

I say Harumpf to you sir -


ROBW

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Feb 26, 2003, 2:02:19 AM2/26/03
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You idiotic post wasn't worthy of even one.

But I feared you might not know the meaning of the word "wanker."

Yes, go seek out Roedy and real debate.

Moron.

robw


--
"Sing while you may" Edward Ka-Spel


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