Daemonic is a cry-baby
John Hoskins
Who is this Daemonic guy? All he does is post about negative shit. Crying
like a little bitch, "Metallica sucks now"... "They aren't good musicans"...
"My pussy hurts!" They have 12 step programs for chronic losers like you.
You should post your misery in alt.whining.bitches. Oh, and by the way,
Reload is one of there finest albums. Any person with a thimbleful full of
musical brains would recognize this fact. We'll see if you do. Wimp!
Creeping Death
In article <64l4a8$4...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, tra...@worldnet.att.net
says...
Ha Ha Ha, Looks like a personal assault on Daemonic to me. . .
It's no secret that this "Daemonic" is into Death Metal and once was a
Metallica fan (he's always referring to DeathM, mostly using it to put down
Metallica's talent). The only thing I don't understand is why he continuously
posts in this ng. Jesus Christ, he posts 100X more than anyone else! It's
funny though, b/c he has no where near as many posts on
alt.rock-n-roll.death.metal. I WONDER WHY????????
Maybe he's just hooked on putting Metallica fans in their place? Maybe we
should concentrate on putting him in his place for once. I think he's too
worried about being the "ultimate ng god". He probably eats, sleeps, and
shits at his computer.
But oh well, there's no such thing as a "perfect world", so we must endure
all of the DAEMONIC'S out there.
John Franks
Creeping Death wrote:
I agree with the both of ya's. He thinks death metal is just the coolest shit
since sliced bread and the music I like sucks. He claims that is isn't "real"
unless its not popular, how wrong he is, its just more stupid and his favorite
bands usually don't put out more than five records cause they can't sell any.
Phil Spear
Oh no! you better run for your life John, here comes Daemonic!
He's evil and he's got a lot of time on his hands, a bad combination.
Seroussi
(sero...@algonet.se) wrote: > John Hoskins wrote: > >
> > Who is this Daemonic guy? All he does is post about negative shit. Crying
> > like a little bitch, "Metallica sucks now"... "They aren't good musicans"...
> > "My pussy hurts!" They have 12 step programs for chronic losers like you.
> > You should post your misery in alt.whining.bitches. Oh, and by the way,
> > Reload is one of there finest albums. Any person with a thimbleful full of
> > musical brains would recognize this fact. We'll see if you do. Wimp!
> ROFLMAO...I'll let you take care of it, daemonic...
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Phil Spear (Phillippi Sum)
First Year Rep. Law Society
Carleton University
Email address: psp...@chat.carleton.ca
There's no shame in therapy.
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EOD-NoT...@webtv.net
OH HELLS NO!
Ain't no mo'fuka johnny boy gonna' crumb on my homey without me TORCHING
his ass!
Who the fuck is doing the crying? YOU BITCH! "Ohh, re-load rules...james
is big and strong, I wish he could bust me in my "leather cheerio"!
Don't act tough bitch, ain't no mo'fuka that's a bad-ass going to be
sticking up for faggot-ass, White boys like mecrapllica...like you're
doing. Why does a nigga' suck? 'Cause he's telling it DAMN STRAIGHT? He
only points out the ridiculous direction the band took and gives his
(sorry ass) opinions. But you, nooo you have to scream like a BIT-NATCH
that, ran out of KY-Jelly ("ax" yo' mama for some), and talk shit
without really understanding SHIT about what hes saying.
Next time you wanna' crumb bitch, make sure you say some valid shit!
Wanna' be tough? Ok, walk your sweet-ass down this way and show me jes'
how bad you is! See, if I don't send you back to mama wit' your little
pink underwear all stained (ass side, bitch!) and torn!
hyah, hyah, hehehehehe don't feel bad dude, you'll get over it. hehehe
Damn Daemonic this foo' jes' tore you up, you better get on 'em!
John
> >how wrong he is, its just more stupid and his favorite
> >bands usually don't put out more than five records cause they can't sell any.
>
>
> -Daemonic
>
Yea but you will and they will when it doesn't sell and they don't have a record
contract. Then their music will change and they will be labeled "Sellouts" in your
book. Also why in the hell do you post on this newsgroup if the only thing you have
to say about Metallica is negative remarks?
Ninnghizhidda
On 15 Nov 1997 22:08:39 GMT, meta...@vt.edu (Creeping Death) wrote:
>In article <64l4a8$4...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, tra...@worldnet.att.net
>says...
>>
>>Who is this Daemonic guy? All he does is post about negative shit. Crying
>>like a little bitch, "Metallica sucks now"... "They aren't good musicans"...
>>"My pussy hurts!" They have 12 step programs for chronic losers like you.
>>You should post your misery in alt.whining.bitches. Oh, and by the way,
>>Reload is one of there finest albums. Any person with a thimbleful full of
>>musical brains would recognize this fact. We'll see if you do. Wimp!
>
>Ha Ha Ha, Looks like a personal assault on Daemonic to me. . .
ooh, i'm scared...maybe i'll cry like some of the mama's boys on the
newsgroup? maybe i'll write something "really angry" about how
everyone else sucks because they think differently from me and they
dont care about my emotions and my feelings?
no, i wont. i'm not a "delicate flower", or any shit like that, much
like 99% of the people here who obviously cant deal with people
talking back to them. i know it's hard being a wuss, but i wont call
you any names...
>It's no secret that this "Daemonic" is into Death Metal and once was a
>Metallica fan (he's always referring to DeathM, mostly using it to put down
>Metallica's talent).
i put down metallica's talent nowadays because there aint much. i use
death metal as an example. i like the old metallica shit.
fuck, why you wasting your parents money on that private school of
yours when you aint learning anything?
>The only thing I don't understand is why he continuously
>posts in this ng. Jesus Christ, he posts 100X more than anyone else! It's
>funny though, b/c he has no where near as many posts on
>alt.rock-n-roll.death.metal. I WONDER WHY????????
more interesting topics here. go back a couple of months, and check
the topics about art - i was into those, i debated them. YOU ARE AN
IDIOT.
wait, i shouldnt've said that, it'll scar you
emotionally...uhh..."it's nice that you feel that way, but even though
it was incorrect, i still appeciate you for who you are, you beautiful
person you..."
wouldnt it be nice if everyone talked to you so nicely? AINT GONNA
FUCKING HAPPEN...
>Maybe he's just hooked on putting Metallica fans in their place? Maybe we
>should concentrate on putting him in his place for once.
you do that. get a group after me, i'll be afraid...
>I think he's too
>worried about being the "ultimate ng god". He probably eats, sleeps, and
>shits at his computer.
i dont give a shit about the newsgroup. i care about the debate that
goes on within it. i also enjoy making people like you whine in high
pitched, nasal voices about how mean i am.
>But oh well, there's no such thing as a "perfect world", so we must endure
>all of the DAEMONIC'S out there.
sorry for ruining your life.
-Daemonic
"The fantastic weight of oceans
Cathedrals of immense awe
The brilliance of erotic literature
Enlightenment of the whore
Marvel at the hanging gardens
The liars, faint with greed
Sorrow at the wailing wall
The mindless on their knees."
-My Dying Bride
Ninnghizhidda
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:54:04 -0600, John Franks <inmy...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Creeping Death wrote:
>
>> In article <64l4a8$4...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, tra...@worldnet.att.net
>> says...
>> >
>> >Who is this Daemonic guy? All he does is post about negative shit. Crying
>> >like a little bitch, "Metallica sucks now"... "They aren't good musicans"...
>> >"My pussy hurts!" They have 12 step programs for chronic losers like you.
>> >You should post your misery in alt.whining.bitches. Oh, and by the way,
>> >Reload is one of there finest albums. Any person with a thimbleful full of
>> >musical brains would recognize this fact. We'll see if you do. Wimp!
>>
>> Ha Ha Ha, Looks like a personal assault on Daemonic to me. . .
>> It's no secret that this "Daemonic" is into Death Metal and once was a
>> Metallica fan (he's always referring to DeathM, mostly using it to put down
>> Metallica's talent). The only thing I don't understand is why he continuously
>> posts in this ng. Jesus Christ, he posts 100X more than anyone else! It's
>> funny though, b/c he has no where near as many posts on
>> alt.rock-n-roll.death.metal. I WONDER WHY????????
>>
>> Maybe he's just hooked on putting Metallica fans in their place? Maybe we
>> should concentrate on putting him in his place for once. I think he's too
>> worried about being the "ultimate ng god". He probably eats, sleeps, and
>> shits at his computer.
>>
>> But oh well, there's no such thing as a "perfect world", so we must endure
>> all of the DAEMONIC'S out there.
>
> I agree with the both of ya's. He thinks death metal is just the coolest shit
>since sliced bread and the music I like sucks.
unless the only album you like is load...
why should you care what i think? poor baby...go talk to daddy, he'll
make you feel all better, like he does all the time...
>He claims that is isn't "real"
>unless its not popular,
why the fuck do you think i always put "true metal" in quotation
marks. CUZ IT'S A FUCKING JOKE! get your hand out of your pants, wipe
it off, and start paying some attention!
>how wrong he is, its just more stupid and his favorite
>bands usually don't put out more than five records cause they can't sell any.
the bands i like couldnt give a fuck how many albums they sell.
-Daemonic
Ninnghizhidda
On 16 Nov 1997 00:16:47 GMT, meta...@vt.edu (Creeping Death) wrote:
>In article <64l85v$s...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, psp...@chat.carleton.ca
>says...
>>
>> Oh no! you better run for your life John, here comes Daemonic!
>>He's evil and he's got a lot of time on his hands, a bad combination.
>
>Actually, I think the angst ridden, evil, son of Satan, Daemonic is bit
>confused. Normally when you post about him, all you have to do is update the
>server 1 minute later and there is already a response from him. Either that
>or the power must be out where he lives, because we all know,
>
> DAEMONIC NEVER LEAVES THE COMPUTER
mostly because...uhh...MY SORRY ASS IS SICK AND I CANT DO ANYTHING
ELSE? remember when i wasnt? i checked this shit once a day, maybe
twice.
you people are so offended by my posts...why? i'm sorry for hurting
your delicate, beautiful feelings...
dont ask me for a hug.
get some balls. and a working brain. fill up what was empty...
Ninnghizhidda
>Who is this Daemonic guy? All he does is post about negative shit. Crying
>like a little bitch, "Metallica sucks now"...
who's doing the crying? YOU! do i bitch about other people, like a
little pansy? no! did i hurt your feelings by saying bad things about
your favorite band? dont cry...
>"They aren't good musicans"...
suck my dick.
>"My pussy hurts!"
you'd know more about that then me. try telling your dad to keep his
dick out of their. and out of your ass, while he's at it. or is it
just the PMS that's making you whine?
"stop saying these things, you BAD BAD man! you dont understand me, no
one understands me...i'll cry!"
>They have 12 step programs for chronic losers like you.
>You should post your misery in alt.whining.bitches. Oh, and by the way,
>Reload is one of there finest albums. Any person with a thimbleful full of
>musical brains would recognize this fact. We'll see if you do. Wimp!
this is too funny to even respond to.
John Hoskins
"The fantastic weight of oceans
Cathedrals of immense awe
The brilliance of erotic literature
Enlightenment of the whore
Marvel at the hanging gardens
The liars, faint with greed
Sorrow at the wailing wall
The mindless on their knees."
-My Dying Bride
Your little poem is so cool. Your a deep thinker... oh wait! you didn't
write it. You remind me of that Daria bitch on Beavis & Butthead. I think we
realized you don't like Metallica anymore about, oh, 4000 posts ago. I heard
of beating a dead horse but this is fucking ridiculous! You are the
incessant whiner who hangs around the newsgroup spilling your guts about
Metallica. What's wrong? Can't find anyone with brains in the deathmetal
groups to talk too? Your not hurting anyone emotionally Daemon, but it is
apparent you have weird emotional attachment to Metallica. What's wrong? Did
you write James a fan letter and he didn't reply?
Kirk,"Philadelphia is MetallicA Country!". ;)
i take comfort in knowing that there is someone creepier than me in the Ng.
Bill ;)
EOD-NoT...@webtv.net
See Daemonic? Now if yous was a nigga' from the streets ("I'm the nigga'
that can't be FADED"...SNOOP DOGG) and you came in here and listened to
all this (yum, yum) little girls complain and cry about ONE 14 year old
boy. Wouldn't your big dick jes' get hard for some o' their little
asses? Shit! Now you know how I feel, I get constantly=A0teased by this
girls and they ain't shit I can do about it! Because they'd all run if
they faced the MAN. Now you understand when say, "White people hehehe
are lame"? You don't hear me whine about how I go to bed with blue balls
everytime these BIT-NATCHES open their "purdy' little mouths". Tha's ok
because sooner or later one of these "hoes" is gonna' bump into me and,
that's when I'm gonna' do 'em like the "hoes" they is!
Oh shit, what did I do now? Jes' go ahead and write me shit bitches.
Keep getting me horny for some White ass. You all know you want to be
taken like in "Deliverance"! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE, HYAH, HYAH, HYAH,
HAHAHAHAHA, HEHEHEHE!
fa...@usa.net
In article <01bcf252$fa58e0a0$9fd2...@collect.netaxs.com>,
"Kirk,\"Philadelphia is MetallicA Country!\". ;)"
<PhiladelphiaCityCou...@coolstuffforsale.com> wrote:
>
> i take comfort in knowing that there is someone creepier than me in the Ng.
>
> Bill ;)
And that would be...? ;-)
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Rob9874
>the bands i like couldnt give a fuck how many albums they sell.
Yeah, keep dreaming buddy. Everyone wants success and money. Just because
they suck and no one will by their shitty albums, they have to rationalize it
and say "We don't want your money anyway." If you belive them, then you're
really derranged.
Ninnghizhidda
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:48:08 -0600, John Franks <inmy...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Metalli-Girl wrote:
>
>> He claims that is isn't "real"
>> > unless its not popular, how wrong he is, its just more stupid and his
>> favorite
>> > bands usually don't put out more than five records cause they can't sell
>> any.
>>
>> so your saying that a band has to sell a lot to be good? I bet there are a
>> lot of bands who couldn't even get record deals who are a hell of a lot
>> better than bush, no doubt, or any trendy shit.
>
> The point I was trying to make was that if your music don't sell there is no
>record deal, there is no opportunity for it to sell or for you to distribute it
>to a wide range of people.
charge people $3 for shipping and handling so you can send em a demo
tape, or a dub, or some shit. anyone who wants it will get it.
-Daemonic
Ninnghizhidda
On 16 Nov 1997 19:50:20 GMT, jdr...@aol.com (JDROPP) wrote:
><<i dont give a ---- about the newsgroup.>>
>
>
>I was just gonna read this thread, and pass it by until I read this.
>
>For someone who doesn't care about it you sure spend alot of time here.
>
>So that makes you either a liar or a hypocrite.
actually, no - if you read the rest, you would have understood. i care
about the discussion within the newsgroup. i dont care about the
newsgroup itself.
learn to comprehend what you read.
Ninnghizhidda
oh, it's you again. where's your answer to my other posts?
most bands start off by saying that. you'd think if they wanted the
money, they'd play in the style of something you like, like the spice
girls (or any other whored shit on the market). music is art, and
somehow i'm doubting that most of the bands in the genre of death
metal ever thought it would bring in enough money to support them. why
would they play the music, then? cuz they want to.
sheep.
Seroussi
JDROPP wrote:
>
> <<i dont give a ---- about the newsgroup.>>
>
> I was just gonna read this thread, and pass it by until I read this.
>
> For someone who doesn't care about it you sure spend alot of time here.
>
> So that makes you either a liar or a hypocrite.
Isn't it nice how you can take sentences out of context and change their
meaning?
The correct quotation:
Ninnghizhidda
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:21:06 -0600, Marcus Allen <inmy...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>How can you make a living doing something like that? Sure its nice to just play
>music and be all hunky dory but lets get to the point, you need an income to
>survive.
get a real job?
seems like a good idea. i dont think it's right to compromise musical
integrity for money. if you can make the money while being honest with
the art you make, that's great, but i dont think many can.
FUCK THE WHORING OF ART
Ninnghizhidda
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:22:34 -0600, Marcus Allen <inmy...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Ninnghizhidda wrote:
>
>> On 16 Nov 1997 20:39:48 GMT, rob...@aol.com (Rob9874) wrote:
>>
>> >>the bands i like couldnt give a fuck how many albums they sell.
>>
>> >Yeah, keep dreaming buddy. Everyone wants success and money. Just because
>> > they suck and no one will by their shitty albums, they have to rationalize it
>> > and say "We don't want your money anyway." If you belive them, then you're
>> > really derranged.
>>
>> oh, it's you again. where's your answer to my other posts?
>>
>> most bands start off by saying that. you'd think if they wanted the
>> money, they'd play in the style of something you like, like the spice
>> girls (or any other whored shit on the market). music is art, and
>> somehow i'm doubting that most of the bands in the genre of death
>> metal ever thought it would bring in enough money to support them. why
>> would they play the music, then? cuz they want to.
>>
>> sheep.
>>
>> -Daemonic
>
>No, dude, this is me.
i was referring to that rob guy.
>There are more people in this world that think like me, and
>thats logical, not irrational.
why?
Ninnghizhidda
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:25:45 -0600, Marcus Allen <inmy...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> they get contracts with small labels that dont expect them to sell any
>> more then they do. they're not getting kicked any time soon.
>
>Sure, but how long will those labels last? Not long. Look at Megaforce Records,
>Casablanca Records and other small labels that could not financially support
>unsuccessful bands. So in turn they went out of business, and the bands were
>banished.
i'm no expert on how long labels hang around, but when a band gets
kicked off a label for whatever reason, they go to another. century
media, nuclear blast, roadrunner, and earache are pretty damn big
labels, and they're not going anywhere. there are just as many small
labels that have been around for some time (misanthropy, head not
found, candlelight)...
more often then not, the bands break up for some reason (see "at the
gates").
moreover, this shit has been going on since '86 or so.
>> >Then their music will change and they will be labeled "Sellouts" in your
>> >book.
>>
>> happens rarely in metal.
>
>It happens to EVERY BAND that has tasted success.
it happens to all the whores? not hard to believe.
morbid angel are on a MAJOR LABEL. i dont think they've noticed.
>> i say that old metallica is better then new metallica. unless you only
>> know the new stuff, that aint negative.
>
>People who live in the past have no future.
shall i list the "new" bands that i listen to?
new metallica is rooted in the past.
Rob9874
>i was referring to that rob guy.
Nice.
I think you put too much thought into music. When you strip music down to the
basics of it, you see that one song is no different that the next. To say
that this arrangement of notes has more integrity than that arrangement is
absurd. I love it when people think they "understand" music better than the
average moron.
Allen
> i'm no expert on how long labels hang around, but when a band gets
> kicked off a label for whatever reason, they go to another. century
> media, nuclear blast, roadrunner, and earache are pretty damn big
> labels, and they're not going anywhere. there are just as many small
> labels that have been around for some time (misanthropy, head not
> found, candlelight)...
Who? Never heard of them.
> new metallica is rooted in the past.
Sure it is, as in the blues influenced sense and basic balls to the wall rock. But as
"their" own past, its the furthest thing from it.
Eraddica
>>People who live in the past have no future.
>
>shall i list the "new" bands that i listen to?
>
>
Of course.... this doesn't worry some people (like me).
I have to admit though, ReLoad is scaring me a little (in a bad sense).
*********************************
EraddicA
o...@harveynorman.com.au
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Eraddica
>>You remind me of that Daria bitch on Beavis & Butthead. I think we
>>realized you don't like Metallica anymore about, oh, 4000 posts ago. I
heard
>>of beating a dead horse but this is fucking ridiculous!
>
>it until you do. learn to think and i wont feel the need to respond to
>anything else in here.
I think that this group suffers from the opinion VS opinion wars... you
know, like a Black Metal fan argueing with a hard rock fan type thing, which
has been the reason (as I'm sure many others) for me not posting as
frequently as in the past.
>>You are the
>>incessant whiner
>
>thinking = whining?
>
>wasnt your entire post a huge "why are you being this way, you mean
>mean person?" thing?
>
>>who hangs around the newsgroup spilling your guts about
>>Metallica. What's wrong? Can't find anyone with brains in the deathmetal
>>groups to talk too?
>
>most of the people in the death metal newsgroup agree with most of my
>viewpoints. there was this really cool discussion i was into months
>ago about "true art" - fucking HUGE posts on the subject. i was into
>that, so i posted about that. when i see something i wanna talk about,
>i'll talk about it. dont hurt yourself trying to figure that one out.
Of course... seeing that you and others on the death metal newsgroup don't
like hard rock, it'd be pretty hard to get any of them to say they like new
metallica.
>>Your not hurting anyone emotionally Daemon,
>
>obviously i'm hurting you, otherwise you wouldnt be crying about me.
Daemonic, you mean, mean person!!!1!!!1!!11!!
>>but it is
>>apparent you have weird emotional attachment to Metallica.
>
>no, just making people like you whine. it may be fucked up, but it's
>fun.
Which is why many people who actually like Load pretend to bitch about
Load... the group would get so boring after a while if all there was was
"MetallicA rulez d00dz!!1"
>>What's wrong? Did
>>you write James a fan letter and he didn't reply?
>
>nope.
>
>-Daemonic
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EraddicA
o...@harveynorman.com.au
*********************************
Adam D Zellers
> > new metallica is rooted in the past.
>
> Sure it is, as in the blues influenced sense and basic balls to the
wall rock.
> But as
> "their" own past, its the furthest thing from it.
OK. New Metallica is certainly very blues-based. BUT, there were many
aspects of old Metallica that were very /not/ blues-based, especially in
Kirk's solos. In that sense, new Metallica is "older" than old
Metallica, in that the blues structures that the "new" stuff is based
on, has been around for half a century, while certain aspects of
Metallica's playing prior to the black album were rather modern.
Moral: If you want to "move forward" and "experiment," do something
that bands haven't been doing since the 50's.
--ADZ
.............................
Th' Quote:
"If at the end of the day we have enjoyed it,
It's better than having a shitty day."
--Paul McCartney
.............................
M.B.
Marcus Allen wrote:
>
> Ninnghizhidda wrote:
> > charge people $3 for shipping and handling so you can send em a demo
> > tape, or a dub, or some shit. anyone who wants it will get it.
> How can you make a living doing something like that? Sure its nice to just play
> music and be all hunky dory but lets get to the point, you need an income to
> survive.
Why bother to make music if you have to twist it into something
"marketable?" Why not just pursue some other line of work? I hear the
software industry's pretty lucrative right now...
Oh, by the way, nice pair of touchdowns against the Broncos yesterday.
You gonna retire after this season? :)
--
"THAT's why they play the games..."
--Chris Berman
M.B.
Rob9874 wrote:
>
> >the bands i like couldnt give a fuck how many albums they sell.
>
> Yeah, keep dreaming buddy. Everyone wants success and money. Just because
> they suck and no one will by their shitty albums, they have to rationalize it
> and say "We don't want your money anyway." If you belive them, then you're
> really derranged.
Question (and you all better answer it):
Why is an album that sounds like shit, but sells five million copies,
considered to be superior to a really good album that sells only five
thousand?
--
"There are two different groups of people; those who are constantly
trying to find that better band...and those who are lazy, settling for
one that's well-known (giving them a false sense of 'belonging')."
--Diadem
Creeping Death
In article <34709C...@idt.net>, mic...@idt.net says...
>
>Rob9874 wrote:
>>
>> >the bands i like couldnt give a fuck how many albums they sell.
>>
>> Yeah, keep dreaming buddy. Everyone wants success and money. Just because
>> they suck and no one will by their shitty albums, they have to rationalize
it
>> and say "We don't want your money anyway." If you belive them, then
you're
>> really derranged.
>
>Question (and you all better answer it):
>
>Why is an album that sounds like shit, but sells five million copies,
>considered to be superior to a really good album that sells only five
>thousand?
Cause there's too many sheep on the loose.
Richard Benigne
>> >the bands i like couldnt give a fuck how many albums they sell.
>>
>> Yeah, keep dreaming buddy. Everyone wants success and money. Just because
>> they suck and no one will by their shitty albums, they have to rationalize it
>> and say "We don't want your money anyway." If you belive them, then you're
>> really derranged.
>
>Question (and you all better answer it):
>
>Why is an album that sounds like shit, but sells five million copies,
>considered to be superior to a really good album that sells only five
>thousand?
"sounds like shit" is a matter of opinion
as is "really good album"
i would think that the five million people who buy said album either
a)dont think it sounds like shit
b)are going through a phase(see milli vanilli, vanilla ice, disco)
c) are dumb for buying something they think sounds like shit.
now for the album that sells 5,000 copies.....
a) the band is on a small label
b) there are only 5,000 people that have heard of the band AND don't
think they suck
>"There are two different groups of people; those who are constantly
>trying to find that better band...and those who are lazy, settling for
>one that's well-known (giving them a false sense of 'belonging')."
This quote sucks balls and i'll explain why.
Popularity doesn't infer quality.
art is judged individually by all.
and if you aren't satisfied by the bands you listen to, than feel free
to look for a "better" band, but realize that once again better is a
matter of opinion,
If i feel that i can't find a better band than my own, then i am lazy
according to your definition.but i am not lazy, so your definition or
quote fails
heres another test for your definition......
who is the best band???
if you answer, then your definition fails, because it says there is
always a better band out there
or what if the band that i think is the best is not well known???
Seroussi
M.B. wrote:
>
> Question (and you all better answer it):
>
> Why is an album that sounds like shit, but sells five million copies,
> considered to be superior to a really good album that sells only five
> thousand?
Because it's more popular and popularity determines the quality of music.
You should have gotten it by now...
Dan Eidet
Adam D Zellers wrote:
> > > new metallica is rooted in the past.
> >
> > Sure it is, as in the blues influenced sense and basic balls to the
> wall rock.
> > But as
> > "their" own past, its the furthest thing from it.
>
> OK. New Metallica is certainly very blues-based. BUT, there were many
> aspects of old Metallica that were very /not/ blues-based, especially in
> Kirk's solos. In that sense, new Metallica is "older" than old
> Metallica, in that the blues structures that the "new" stuff is based
> on, has been around for half a century, while certain aspects of
> Metallica's playing prior to the black album were rather modern.
That is what I was saying.
Ninnghizhidda
On 17 Nov 1997 06:30:02 GMT, rob...@aol.com (Rob9874) wrote:
>>i was referring to that rob guy.
>
>Nice.
>
>I think you put too much thought into music. When you strip music down to the
> basics of it, you see that one song is no different that the next.
not all music follows the same mold. sorry. turn off your radio and
try again.
> To say
> that this arrangement of notes has more integrity than that arrangement is
> absurd.
bands have integrity, cds do not.
but, since i think i know what you're trying to say...
"to say that one arrangement of notes is more complex then another is
absurd!"
Ninnghizhidda
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 03:01:41 -0600, Allen <inmy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> i'm no expert on how long labels hang around, but when a band gets
>> kicked off a label for whatever reason, they go to another. century
>> media, nuclear blast, roadrunner, and earache are pretty damn big
>> labels, and they're not going anywhere. there are just as many small
>> labels that have been around for some time (misanthropy, head not
>> found, candlelight)...
>
>Who? Never heard of them.
that's because they're "small" labels.
if you're referring to CM, nuclear blast, etc. that's because they're
big in the context of metal (e.g. small).
>> new metallica is rooted in the past.
>
>Sure it is, as in the blues influenced sense and basic balls to the wall rock. But as
>"their" own past, its the furthest thing from it.
i said that.
then again, isnt the main riff to jump in the fire based on the blues
scale? :)
Zaphod B.
>
>get a real job?
>
>seems like a good idea. i dont think it's right to compromise musical
>integrity for money. if you can make the money while being honest with
>the art you make, that's great, but i dont think many can.
>
>FUCK THE WHORING OF ART
>
Right on!
Dan Eidet
> what are you getting from listening to music? why do you waste your
> time doing it? there's no value...
>
> it's just satisfying. some people want to make art. some people dont.
> dont fuck with that.
I don't get paid for listening to music so therefore I don't travel around and promote my
listening to music. If I got paid I would damn sure travel for it and promote it.
Listening to music isn't an art, not unless your dance or some shit like that to it. Its
cool to make art and all of that, but you don't know the inside "business" to music. If
you did you would reconsider your comment on how bands under small music labels make
"art". It isn't art no longer once you have signed on the dotted line, no matter HOW
small the record label, they are all guided by the big label that is their distributor.
Ninnghizhidda
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:25:43 -0600, Dan Eidet <dei...@sky.net> wrote:
>> what are you getting from listening to music? why do you waste your
>> time doing it? there's no value...
>>
>> it's just satisfying. some people want to make art. some people dont.
>> dont fuck with that.
>
>I don't get paid for listening to music so therefore I don't travel around and promote my
>listening to music. If I got paid I would damn sure travel for it and promote it.
>Listening to music isn't an art, not unless your dance or some shit like that to it.
_writing_ music is an art. listening is just appeciation.
dance music seems to me like a joke. "we have a 4/4 beat on the bass
drum...lets see if we can throw in a note or two on bass, and there's
our song!"
>Its
>cool to make art and all of that, but you don't know the inside "business" to music. If
>you did you would reconsider your comment on how bands under small music labels make
>"art". It isn't art no longer once you have signed on the dotted line, no matter HOW
>small the record label, they are all guided by the big label that is their distributor.
A) it's not bands on small labels that make art, just that the bands i
listen to arent particularly popular and therefore have to stay on
small labels. (just a clarification)
B) many small labels are made because the people are into metal and
want to see quality music promoted - i think wild rags would be a good
example of that.
C) labels have nothing to gain and everything to lose by trying to
tell a band what to sound like - many a band have left a label because
of stupider reasons - most people in the crowd that buys that style of
music have enough of a discerning ear to notice that a band is trying
to sound exactly like a "generic" band, and wont buy it. most labels
cater to such a select group (how many death/black fans do you think
there are?) that telling them to sound a certain way would probably
turn off all the listeners (e.g. saying "sound more like the trend of
the day" would alienate genre fans, and wouldnt get any mainstream
fans either (still too "different")).
D) text from the lyric book to cynic "focus":
"This music represents the artists' attempt at open expression of
emotion. We hope you will be open to the uniqueness of thiese pieces.
Truth, integrity, and strength have been the FOCUS of Cynic...join us
in our quest."
some people have the simple human decency to not be fucking dishonest
liars.
moreover, what happens is, a big band (in terms of metal) can pretty
much be on any label they want, and a small band is never going to get
noticed amongst the other 10,000 bands if they sound exactly the same
as the rest of them. another reason not to fuck with the music.
see, a fucking huge label like columbia can do whatever they want,
because most of the bands on the label are looking for money first,
and moreover, even if they do alienate a few bands, they have HOW MANY
MORE that will make them consistant money?
moreover, check some of the band's demos...the music style is usually
the same.
Jennifer
Well, as someone already mentioned, "shit" and "really good" are
subjective, but this is a commerce-driven society and we equate hype and
profit with good taste. Basically, humans are fucking stupid;)
Jennifer
M.B. <mic...@idt.net> wrote in article <34709C...@idt.net>...
ElangII
Sigh.....
I guess I should add my 2 cents..
I play in a 'metal' band for no other reason than to make music. I love music
(all sorts, especially heavy) and have been writing it forever.
BUT...
When we come out with a brand new song and stuff, we tend to take it out to
clubs, etc. and see what people think. This doesn't change our opinions of
the music, it doesn't change the music, but we, like EVERY artists in EVERY
field, like to be appreciated for what we do. In general our music tends to
be appreciated (and it has 'grown' musically for the last 6 years). Each time
we try something new, it tends to be appreciated as well. I love art, and
many of my artistic opinions coincide with other's. This, in my opinion, is
Metallica's position. Their music is, was, and likely always will be
incredibly cool. No matter what 'style' they choose to play, it will sound
good to many who listen without prejudice.
Now, by the definitions of many on this newsgoup I would be considered a
sellout. Last time i checked, I don't FEEL like a sellout.....I love my
music, and the day I stop loving it is the day i stop. I'll bet my guitar
that is the exact same way Metallica feels.
Do you guys honestly think they don't KNOW that many diehards would be
disappointed by their 'new' direction? Now, if that were to stop them from
playing what they wanted to....THAT, in my opinion, and ONLY that would be a
sellout. As far as I'm concerned, on Load, Reload, and stuff they are being
just as true to themselves as they have always been. None of it sounds
fabricated to me.
Even though I wasn't overly crazy about Load (I love some of the songs, but not
all), I still like the band and respect them. Do yourselves a favor and
imagine yourselves in their position.
Still a fan,
E.
"Never stop learning....
The day you do is the day you die..."
---Old man on bridge rail
Matt Johnston
In article <19971116195...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, jdr...@aol.com
(JDROPP) wrote:
> <<i dont give a ---- about the newsgroup.>>
>
>
> I was just gonna read this thread, and pass it by until I read this.
>
> For someone who doesn't care about it you sure spend alot of time here.
>
> So that makes you either a liar or a hypocrite.
Why can't he be both? ^_^
>
>
>
> JDR...@aol.com
> http://members.aol.com/JDROPP/index.html
>
> INTER SANDMAN: The FIRST Metallica Chapter of the 'Net
> http://members.aol.com/JDROPP/InterSandman.html
--Matt
M.B.
Jennifer wrote:
>
> Well, as someone already mentioned, "shit" and "really good" are
> subjective, but this is a commerce-driven society and we equate hype and
> profit with good taste. Basically, humans are fucking stupid;)
FINALLY, THE TRUTH COMES OUT!
--
"There are two different groups of people; those who are constantly
trying to find that better band...and those who are lazy, settling for
one that's well-known (giving them a false sense of 'belonging')."
--Diadem
Ninnghizhidda
On 18 Nov 1997 08:27:41 GMT, ela...@aol.com (ElangII) wrote:
>Sigh.....
>I guess I should add my 2 cents..
>
>I play in a 'metal' band for no other reason than to make music. I love music
> (all sorts, especially heavy) and have been writing it forever.
curious - what sort of metal band?
>BUT...
>When we come out with a brand new song and stuff, we tend to take it out to
> clubs, etc. and see what people think. This doesn't change our opinions of
> the music, it doesn't change the music, but we, like EVERY artists in EVERY
> field, like to be appreciated for what we do.
i agree. as long as you're not letting other people's opinions shape
your art (which you're not), there's absolutely nothing wrong with
that.
>In general our music tends to
> be appreciated (and it has 'grown' musically for the last 6 years). Each time
> we try something new, it tends to be appreciated as well.
so, what style are you playing at the moment? :)
David Atenasio
Ninnghizhidda wrote:
> if you're referring to CM, nuclear blast, etc. that's because they're
> big in the context of metal (e.g. small).
Is Nuclear Blast putting out a compilation CD? Or is that some other
nuclear label?
--Dave
Ninnghizhidda
On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:48:31 -0800, EOD-NoT...@webtv.net wrote:
>"...dance music seems to me like a joke"
>
>BITCH! You better REFRASE that. Are you trying to put down my roots?
>Tell me Flamenco is a joke...tell me there's a prettier more exotic
>dance form anywhere in the world! How about SALSA...punk-ass? Try and
>see how many people can dance that, shit. Believe me THAT is an artform
>not a joke!
when i say "dance music", i'm referring to modern dance music crap,
like the spice girls, etc. who are all just a gimmick to get money.
BITCH!
of course, vanilla ice is not just the most asskicking rap ever, but
he had a mad phat beat you can dance to...
al
EOD-NoT...@webtv.net wrote in article
<64mg1h$61f$1...@newsd-106.bryant.webtv.net>...
"Oh shit, what did I do now? Jes' go ahead and write me shit bitches.
:Keep getting me horny for some White ass. You all know you want to be
:taken like in "Deliverance"! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE, HYAH, HYAH, HYAH,
:HAHAHAHAHA, HEHEHEHE!"
I've been gone for a while, but I have to assume this could only have been
written by A1ncera. Good to know he's still alive;)
For a young 'un, Daemonic is one of the most intelligent people here. (I'm
not saying that because I happen to agree with him most of the time.) But
we all know there are plenty of idiots here!
Ali
----------
al
Seroussi <sero...@algonet.se> wrote in article
<3470B486...@algonet.se>...
> M.B. wrote:
> >
> > Question (and you all better answer it):
> > Why is an album that sounds like shit, but sells five million copies,
> > considered to be superior to a really good album that sells only five
> > thousand?
>
> Because it's more popular and popularity determines the quality of music.
> You should have gotten it by now...
>
Popularity determines the quantity of music sold. Not the quality.
Ali
EOD-NoT...@webtv.net
"...dance music seems to me like a joke"
BITCH! You better REFRASE that. Are you trying to put down my roots?
Tell me Flamenco is a joke...tell me there's a prettier more exotic
dance form anywhere in the world! How about SALSA...punk-ass? Try and
see how many people can dance that, shit. Believe me THAT is an artform
not a joke!
Or other cultural dances...you better refrase that.
Ed Jankovsky
Dan Eidet <dei...@sky.net> wrote:
: M.B. wrote:
: > Marcus Allen wrote:
: >
: > Why bother to make music if you have to twist it into something
: > "marketable?" Why not just pursue some other line of work? I hear the
: > software industry's pretty lucrative right now...
: It is, I am going to college to be a programmer. Why waste your time on
: something that has no value but pure satisfaction. It will soon get old and
: you will want redemption for it, like cash or chicks.
Are you going to be a programmer just because it can make money? If so,
drop me a line so I can see how bored off your ass you are in a few years
from not doing a job you *like*.
Seroussi
Dan Eidet wrote:
>
> Why waste your time on something that has no value but pure satisfaction.
why would you waste your time about anything else than achieving satisfaction?
> It will soon get old and you will want
> redemption for it, like cash or chicks.
but these things don't have real value but pure satisfaction.
al
> People who live in the past have no future.
>
> -Stone Cold
>
"Those who refuse to look at history walk blindly into the future"
Walden
Ali
Ninnghizhidda
nuclear blast has about a million of those "death is just the
beginning" comps, if that's what you're talking about...
Seroussi
I was being sarcastic, in case you didn't notice...
Ninnghizhidda
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:57:05 -0800, EOD-NoT...@webtv.net wrote:
>See Daemonic? Now if yous was a nigga' from the streets ("I'm the nigga'
>that can't be FADED"...SNOOP DOGG) and you came in here and listened to
>all this (yum, yum) little girls complain and cry about ONE 14 year old
>boy. Wouldn't your big dick jes' get hard for some o' their little
>asses? Shit! Now you know how I feel, I get constantly=A0teased by this
>girls and they ain't shit I can do about it! Because they'd all run if
>they faced the MAN. Now you understand when say, "White people hehehe
>are lame"? You don't hear me whine about how I go to bed with blue balls
>everytime these BIT-NATCHES open their "purdy' little mouths". Tha's ok
>because sooner or later one of these "hoes" is gonna' bump into me and,
>that's when I'm gonna' do 'em like the "hoes" they is!
>
>Oh shit, what did I do now? Jes' go ahead and write me shit bitches.
>Keep getting me horny for some White ass. You all know you want to be
>taken like in "Deliverance"! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE, HYAH, HYAH, HYAH,
>HAHAHAHAHA, HEHEHEHE!
having old posts around is pretty fucking gay, but still cool.
-Daemonic
"I wonder how winter will be
With a spring that I shall never see
I wonder how night will be
With a day that I shall never see
I wonder how life will be
With a light that I shall never see
I wonder how life will be
With a pain that lasts eternally."
-Burzum
David Atenasio
Ninnghizhidda wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:57:05 -0800, EOD-NoT...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >See Daemonic? Now if yous was a nigga' from the streets ("I'm the nigga'
> >that can't be FADED"...SNOOP DOGG) and you came in here and listened to
> >all this (yum, yum) little girls complain and cry about ONE 14 year old
> >boy. Wouldn't your big dick jes' get hard for some o' their little
> >asses? Shit! Now you know how I feel, I get constantly=A0teased by this
> >girls and they ain't shit I can do about it! Because they'd all run if
> >they faced the MAN. Now you understand when say, "White people hehehe
> >are lame"? You don't hear me whine about how I go to bed with blue balls
> >everytime these BIT-NATCHES open their "purdy' little mouths". Tha's ok
> >because sooner or later one of these "hoes" is gonna' bump into me and,
> >that's when I'm gonna' do 'em like the "hoes" they is!
> >
> >Oh shit, what did I do now? Jes' go ahead and write me shit bitches.
> >Keep getting me horny for some White ass. You all know you want to be
> >taken like in "Deliverance"! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE, HYAH, HYAH, HYAH,
> >HAHAHAHAHA, HEHEHEHE!
>
> having old posts around is pretty fucking gay, but still cool.
>
> -Daemonic
Damn, I thought all this time when we were quoting him we weren't even
close... Guess I was wrong. White people...
--Dave
Barry Armstrong
WHAT THE FUCK HAS THIS GUY BEEN SMOKING???
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