http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/gallery/10922.htm
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/PICS31/75113.jpg
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Auschwitz/OldPhotos/AuschwitzLiberation.jpg
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Auschwitz/OldPhotos/AuschwitzLiberated.jpg
Even went swimming to the river on weekends! (o:
>>My father also reminds us that although he was forcibly deported
from France to Auschwitz, the Germans allowed him out of his
concentration camp on Sundays, we even went swimming in the nearby river.
He worried that I might represent him as a hero because I wanted to
focus on his participation in resistance activities. I was simply lucky,
he insists.<<
>>He was a forced laborer, housed with other deported workers as
well as with volunteers who were fleeing unemployment in Nazi-occupied
Europe. He and his companions received enough food to survive and were
paid wages with incentive bonuses<<
Couldn't they just have used the swimming pool?!
http://www.rense.com/general25/Aushwitz_pool_1.jpg
http://www.rense.com/general24/controversy.htm
(revisionism is still going well, huh?)
> Look! How come they are healthy?
Maybe because your beloved Nazis didn't have time
to kill them all? Maybe because they're not Jews?
Now what about these people? Why did they die?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/index.shtml
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
http://www.chorale-populaire-de-paris.com/IMG/jpg/dachau.jpg
http://www.arory.com/Doc%20du%20mois/dachau.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
RJ.
Yes, Nazis were raising Goldfish in there, eh!
JS
Maybe you're an idiot!
>
> Now what about these people? Why did they die?
Typhus, moron! Can't you see the bone skinny bodies?
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/index.shtml
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
> http://www.chorale-populaire-de-paris.com/IMG/jpg/dachau.jpg
> http://www.arory.com/Doc%20du%20mois/dachau.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>
> RJ.
>
Uh, really!
Than, who would work in the factories, moron?
Mozes explained to the pharaoh, when he opened the grain silos to the
slaves: "Dead slave can't make bricks!"
JS
Because you know nothing, that's why you believe any thing!
Don't forget, any believe system are not all ways based on the TRUTH,
but manipulation of morals!
JS
Yeah! Right! Complete with supports for a diving platform.
One you you dills earlier stated it was a reserve water supply for fire
fighting.
No "maybe" about it.
That is exactly what it was. I have even posted links to photographs I
took of it when I was there last year, and the sign explaining what it
is.
I believe Chris Larson was, as we say, pulling your leg. Once again,
you're too think to understand humor, just like with the "David Irving
converts" story.
Sara
--
The Jews may think all people are stupid when I reality the are watch ever
move you people make.
An old German saying is the Jews will give nothing for what you did have
before. The Jews supporting poor black people means there will be absolutely
no return of some of the money this alone speaks for itself.
-- Kurt Knoll.
Right! What sign?
Written by Joos, the master lairs?
JS
>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>> Now what about these people? Why did they die?
> Typhus, moron!
No.
> Can't you see the bone skinny bodies?
A direct result of the policy of intentional starvation, as
outlined in e.g. the following. On 24 August 1942, the Governor
of Nazi-occupied Poland, Hans Frank, said the following in a
cabinet meeting:
"In whatever difficulties you observe some place here, in the
form of the sicknesses of your workers, the breakdown of your associations,
etc., you must always think of the fact that it is still much better when a
Pole breaks down than that a German succumb. That we sentence 1.2 million
Jews to die of hunger should be noted only marginally. It is a matter, of
course, that should the Jews not starve to death it would, we hope, result
in a speeding up of anti-Jewish measures." Source:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/policy-of-starvation.shtml
Lt. Col. Johnston, of the Royal Army Medical Corps, had this to say
after his inspection of the Belsen camp: "There was obvious evidence of
extreme and systematic starvation both in the living and the dead" (source:
"The Belsen Trial", page 46).
The following are some of the photographs taken in the camps
immediately after liberation:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/index.shtml
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
http://www.chorale-populaire-de-paris.com/IMG/jpg/dachau.jpg
http://www.arory.com/Doc%20du%20mois/dachau.jpg
It is especially instructive to compare the appearance of the
victims with that of the SS personnel and the German population
living right by the camps:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/belsen04.shtml
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/ss-women.shtml
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald04.jpg
The last photograph shows German civilians living by Buchenwald camp,
after being made to visit the camp and view its horrors. Note their
excellent physical condition -- they are, obviously, very well fed.
And -- this is how the inmates looked:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
RJ.
> "Protagonist" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:tqWdnUtsLIP37UTe...@comcast.com...
>> Maybe you're an idiot!
> No "maybe" about it.
Says Benjie Cramer, the mentally retarded nazi who asserted
that HCN, a gas lighter than air, would "hang on the floor"
of the gas chambers. See Message-ID: <dpidm2$17md$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Please, seek medical help RJ!
JS
You deluded clown. And just when did the Soviets put the "fire water" sign
up. It's a fucking swimming pool you idiot. Starting blocks, diving board
supports, access ladder, the lot. You'd fall for the three card trick.
>Yeah! Right! Complete with supports for a diving platform.
>
>One you you dills earlier stated it was a reserve water supply for fire
>fighting.
>
Right, DISGUISED as a swimming pool. Lying and deceit is second
nature to the yids.
And the newsgroup's reigning moron gives us another example of his
mindlessness.
The facility was adapted to function as a swimming pool.
[quote]
There is another difficulty with the existence of the brothel at
Auschwitz. Holocaust deniers and other apologists for the Nazis seize
upon its presence as evidence that Auschwitz was a very different place
from that painted in conventional historiography. The problem is
especially stark when combined with knowledge of the so-called
"swimming pool" at the Auschwitz main camp.
In reality Auschwitz had a water storage tank over which the fireman
had fixed a makeshift diving board, but selected inmates were certainly
able to bathe in it. "There was a swimming pool in Auschwitz for the
fire brigade", confirms Ryszard Dacko. "I could even swim
there." This facility has become one of the totems of the Holocaust
deniers' use. "This is supposed to be a death camp?" they say.
"With a swimming pool for the inmates? Come off it!" In reality,
however, its existence fits into the same pattern as that of the
brothel. Instead of showing how Auschwitz was not a center of mass
murder-which it undeniably was-the presence of these two
institutions demonstrates once again the complex make-up of the various
camps that together constitute "Auschwitz".
The many different hierarchical structures and purposes of the various
camps within the Auschwitz Zone of Interest have allowed the Holocaust
deniers to focus on so-called anomalies such as these. There were
myriad variations-from the "swimming pool" and brothel at one end
of the spectrum to the crematoria and murder of children at the other.
It was the very complexity of Auschwitz as an institution that made the
place so appealing to Himmler in 1943, and makes it such a focus of the
Holocaust deniers' attentions today.
[end quote]
Auschwitz: A New History
Laurence Rees
Public Affairs
2005
p. 194,196,198
Philip Mathews
Kurt Knoll.
<phil...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138393457.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Makeshift? The diving board foundation and steps were made with
reinforced concrete. The olympic sized pool had a metal ladder and
handrails for getting in and out of the water. To see the pool go to:
http://www.rense.com/general24/swimpool.jpg
And why would Auschwitz need a water storage tank? The whole camp was
situated in a low lying area between two rivers. The place was in
danger of flooding at every rain. The Germans had to dig drainage
ditches to allow water to drain off the surface. Claiming the finished
concrete olympic-sized swimming pool, complete with metal exit ladders
and permanent concrete based diving board, was some kind of water
storage facility is just the kind of holocaust nonsense we expect for
the German-hating hucksters.
> http://www.rense.com/general24/swimpool.jpg
Where you will readily see that Morghus is either stupid or a liar. An
olympic sized pool is 50 meters long and 25 meters wide, wide enough
for 8 standard lanes for competition. This is hardly that size. Adding
metal ladders and handrails, that could easily have been made in the
camp's metal workshop, is hardly a difficult thing.
> And why would Auschwitz need a water storage tank?
For fighting fires of course. Do you think they had hydrants?
>The whole camp was
> situated in a low lying area between two rivers. The place was in
> danger of flooding at every rain.
Ah, so Morghus expects the fire brigade to somehow use water running
over the surface of the ground to fight a fire, providing of course
that a rainstorm happened to have occurred just before it was needed!
Let's look at what Morghus snipped, including the evidence from Ryszard
Dacko, who was a member of the fire brigade.
[quote]
"There was a swimming pool in Auschwitz for the
fire brigade", confirms Ryszard Dacko. "I could even swim
there." This facility has become one of the totems of the Holocaust
deniers' use. "This is supposed to be a death camp?" they say.
"With a swimming pool for the inmates? Come off it!" In reality,
however, its existence fits into the same pattern as that of the
brothel. Instead of showing how Auschwitz was not a center of mass
murder-which it undeniably was-the presence of these two
institutions demonstrates once again the complex make-up of the various
camps that together constitute "Auschwitz".
The many different hierarchical structures and purposes of the various
camps within the Auschwitz Zone of Interest have allowed the Holocaust
deniers to focus on so-called anomalies such as these. There were
myriad variations-from the "swimming pool" and brothel at one end
of the spectrum to the crematoria and murder of children at the other.
It was the very complexity of Auschwitz as an institution that made the
place so appealing to Himmler in 1943, and makes it such a focus of the
Holocaust deniers' attentions today.
[end quote]
Auschwitz: A New History
Laurence Rees
Public Affairs
2005
p. 194,196,198
--
Philip Mathews
> Mathews the matter is very simple there were enough camp guards alive after
> show was over but someone matter sure the are not talking.
Dozens of the camp guards talked, moron.
Have another drink.
--
Philip Mathews
It's more than than. In them, it's genetic.
You're a fucking idiot. A complet, utter and helpless moron.
Drools the filthy little Jew hater.
--
Philip Mathews
The response we've come to expect from the groups reigning moron!
[quote]
[end quote]
--
Philip Mathews
(rants given the snip)
"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- the neo-Nazi "Ben Cramer" reflects on his usage of
hallucinatory drugs. Source:
Message-ID: <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
RJ.
I don't hate anyone philthy. Some I pity.
Of course you do filthy little Jew hater. You're a champion hater.
--
Philip Mathews
There we have it folks. Forget facts, let's be driven by delusion. That's
the philthy way.
Why don't you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down.
Facts? You don't deal in facts, halfwit. You come into threads of
substance, snip what's there and make stupid claims in a vain effort
to deny proven history.
You're a hater, and your posts show it.
--
Philip Mathews
Deluded fools's shite snipped.
> Deluded fools's shite snipped.
You mean this, halfwit?
> <philipmath...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:78GdnRed7ZLUWUfe...@comcast.com...
>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencram...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dreg54$24e5$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>> <philna...@aol.com> wrote in message
Deluded fool's shite snipped.
Do you realize how defeated you look?
--
Philip Mathews
SS-Doctor Kremer at a hearing on 18 July 1947:
[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
of women [from the women's camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September
1942: "The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
right when he said to me today that this is the 'anus mundi', the
anal orifice of the world". I used this image because I could not
imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.
--
Philip Mathews
>
>"#6" <TN2@#6.com> wrote in message
>news:l07kt1tcbrrg5gt9g...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:19:09 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
>> <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah! Right! Complete with supports for a diving platform.
>>>
>>>One you you dills earlier stated it was a reserve water supply for fire
>>>fighting.
>>>
>> Right, DISGUISED as a swimming pool. Lying and deceit is second
>> nature to the yids.
>
>It's more than than. In them, it's genetic.
As is the mutations.
>Of course you do filthy little Jew hater. You're a champion hater.
Jews are not and never were the most popular people on the planet.
And what's so bad about hating jews? Everybody hates something or
someone.
> An
>olympic sized pool is 50 meters long and 25 meters wide, wide enough
>for 8 standard lanes for competition. This is hardly that size. Adding
>metal ladders and handrails, that could easily have been made in the
>camp's metal workshop, is hardly a difficult thing.
Could it be a pool for Special Olympics and the swimmers got Special
Treatment(tm)?
Are you complaining that it's NOT olympic size? The inmates were
lucky to even have a pool and a theater and orchastras and a brothel
and a canteen and a post office and a dental office and script and a
sports field and a hygene program . . . Auschwitz was a Class I camp.
>
>The many different hierarchical structures and purposes of the various
>camps within the Auschwitz Zone of Interest have allowed the Holocaust
>deniers to focus on so-called anomalies such as these.
Not anomalies, amenities.
What is your first language?
>> As is the mutations.
Gibberish.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Peoria 1 (January 27)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 28 vs. Chicago, 7:35
Yup. He and Halfwit Cramer speak the same language.
G'day wokkie. Just couldn't help yourself could you, you despicable old
cunt.
At least I don't believe the swimming pool was a reserve water supply for
the camp, and "disguised" as a swimming pool.
You'd fall for the three card trick laddie.
>
>
*sigh*
Sometimes you guys are so stupid, it's staggering.
The camp you are trying so hard to make sound like a vacation center was
Auschwitz ONE. It was set up as a labor camp, and contained mostly
non-Jews. The brothel was for non-Jews. You can see the "pool" here:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/altrevisionism/detail?.dir=/990b&.dnm=165b.
jpg
and the sign:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/altrevisionism/detail?.dir=/990b&.dnm=e367.
jpg&.src=ph
The pool is not Olympic-sized.
The canteen was for the guards, not the prisoners.
And I have no idea what you mean by a "script."
Sara
--
The Jews may think all people are stupid when I reality the are watch ever
move you people make.
An old German saying is the Jews will give nothing for what you did have
before. The Jews supporting poor black people means there will be absolutely
no return of some of the money this alone speaks for itself.
-- Kurt Knoll.
WOW! Such proof already? How could anyone ever question anything from you
again. Fucking staggering
>
>
> The pool is not Olympic-sized.
> The canteen was for the guards, not the prisoners.
> And I have no idea what you mean by a "script."
Pharmacy, stupid. Chemist shop.
And you tell us you know it all.
> Could it be a pool for Special Olympics and the swimmers got Special
> Treatment(tm)?
It was a emergency water supply for the Auschwitz fire brigade which
they adapted for use by themselves as a swimming pool. Morghus lied by
claiming it was Olympic sized.
> Are you complaining that it's NOT olympic size?
I'm pointing out the denier's lie. Why aren't you interested?
>The inmates were
> lucky to even have a pool
The pool was not for the inmates, halfwit.
>and a theater and orchastras
For the benefit of the Nazis.
>and a brothel
The brothel was for the use of non-Jewish prisoners.
> and a canteen and a post office and a dental office and script and a
> sports field and a hygene program . . . Auschwitz was a Class I
> camp.
Auschwitz was an extermination camp for Jews and none of the things
you mention benefited them.
Try reading some history, instead of Jew hating denier sites.
>>The many different hierarchical structures and purposes of the
>>various
>>camps within the Auschwitz Zone of Interest have allowed the
>>Holocaust
>>deniers to focus on so-called anomalies such as these.
> Not anomalies, amenities.
Not for Jews they weren't. I know see why you are ashamed to put your
name to your words.
--
Philip Mathews
Compared to the vacuous, unsupported claims of halfwits like you, it
is a scholarly dissertation.
--
Philip Mathews
Any other group of people forced to integrate into strictly
homogeneous societies over 2000 years ago would have experienced
similar issues, especially if they were opposed by an antagonistic
religious institution with sweeping powers of control.
--
Philip Mathews
Just shows how stupid you are!
And it was a reserve water supply for the fire brigade, halfwit.
--
Philip Mathews
None of the camps were vacation centers, but they weren't
extermination centers either.
> It was set up as a labor camp, and contained mostly
>non-Jews.
Will you provide documentation proving this?
> The brothel was for non-Jews.
Will you provide documentation proving this?
>The canteen was for the guards, not the prisoners.
Will you provide documentation proving this?
>And I have no idea what you mean by a "script."
>Sara
In-house money.
Of course some of the camps were extermination centers.
>> It was set up as a labor camp, and contained mostly
>>non-Jews.
> Will you provide documentation proving this?
As soon as you provide any documentation for your wild assertions.
>> The brothel was for non-Jews.
> Will you provide documentation proving this?
You mean evidence. Documents are merely one form of evidence.
[quote]
One of Hoess' last major initiatives at Auschwitz seemed to be one of
his strangest. An institution was created-one that seems utterly
incongruous in the context of the previous history of the camp: a
brothel. The location of this facility for selected prisoners could
scarcely have been more prominent-Block 24, immediately next to the
main "Arbeit macht frei" gate in the main camp. Auschwitz was not the
only camp to have a brothel, however; in fact it was the fifth camp
within the Nazi state to offer such a "service".
Himmler had decided that providing brothels across the concentration
camp network would increase productivity by offering "hard-working"
prisoners (excluding Jews) an incentive to work even harder. He had
ordered brothels to be constructed at Mauthausen and Gusen camps in
Austria after an inspection as far back as May 1941 (they were finally
opened in the summer of 1942). Then, in March 1943, he visited
Buchenwald and demanded that another brothel be established there and
also at other camps. His faithful factotum Oswald Pohl issued the
necessary orders to concentration camp commandants in May 1943.
[.]
The idea that at Auschwitz prisoners could be found brawling in an SS
sponsored brothel seems, as first hearing, inexplicable. But it is
actually a story that illustrates the sophisticated hierarchy of
prisoners that had by now developed at the camp. As Jozef Paczynski
points out, the idea that Jews could use the brothel was
inconceivable. They were considered a lower class of inmate, subject
to a level of ill-treatment that some of the Polish or German
non-Jewish prisoners escaped.
[end quote]
Auschwitz: A New History
Laurence Rees
Public Affairs
2005
p. 194,196,198
>>The canteen was for the guards, not the prisoners.
> Will you provide documentation proving this?
Where was your documentation?
>>And I have no idea what you mean by a "script."
> In-house money.
That would be "scrip", halfwit.
Tell us about the scrip of Auschwitz?
--
Philip Mathews
>> None of the camps were vacation centers, but they weren't
>> extermination centers either.
>
>Of course some of the camps were extermination centers.
In your opinion.
>>> It was set up as a labor camp, and contained mostly
>>>non-Jews.
>
>> Will you provide documentation proving this?
>
>As soon as you provide any documentation for your wild assertions.
I didn't think you would. Ain't got a leg to to stand on, do you?
>>> The brothel was for non-Jews.
>
>> Will you provide documentation proving this?
>
>You mean evidence. Documents are merely one form of evidence.
No, I mean documents. I don't believe Nazis.
> In your opinion.
It's no more a matter of opinion than saying the United States had a
Civil War.
>>>> It was set up as a labor camp, and contained mostly
>>>>non-Jews.
>>
>>> Will you provide documentation proving this?
>>
>>As soon as you provide any documentation for your wild assertions.
> I didn't think you would.
You don't think at all. Thousands of posts about the evidence have
been made here over many years.
You, on the other hand, have nothing to support your lies.
>>>> The brothel was for non-Jews.
>>> Will you provide documentation proving this?
>>You mean evidence. Documents are merely one form of evidence.
>
> No, I mean documents.
I don't care what you mean. Evidence is evidence. And I have it, while
you have none.
[quote]
[.]
[end quote]
--
Philip Mathews
Go pick up a copy of Laurence Rees' new book on Auschwitz. Or Robert Jan
van Pelt's book on Auschwitz. All the documentation is there.
On the other hand, you can go to Auschwitz yourself and see it.
Sara
And by the way, the word is "scrip." "Script" is something actors use.
HTH
>> No, I mean documents.
>
>I don't care what you mean. Evidence is evidence. And I have it, while
>you have none.
I guess that's why so many people are now investigating the presumed
holocaust.
You can bellyache all you want but you can't stop what's happening.
>> At least I don't believe the swimming pool was a reserve water
>> supply for the camp, and "disguised" as a swimming pool.
>
>Just shows how stupid you are!
>
>And it was a reserve water supply for the fire brigade, halfwit.
It was planned as a swimming pool, built as a swimming pool, used as a
swimming pool. Can't you understand it was a f$%king swimming pool?
What is your problem anyway?
>
>Go pick up a copy of Laurence Rees' new book on Auschwitz. Or Robert Jan
>van Pelt's book on Auschwitz. All the documentation is there.
Will you stand behint the accuracy of these books?
>On the other hand, you can go to Auschwitz yourself and see it.
See what?
>Sara
>
>And by the way, the word is "scrip." "Script" is something actors use.
Thanks.
And they're still disliked. Haven't learned in 2,000 years how to get
along.
A swimming pool, aka water reservoir for the fire services
A "gas chamber" situated just metres from living quarters for the German
guards
A crematorium flue, connected to nothing. Just standing there.
I'm actually taking myself there this year, after August some time.
They do try to. They chuck a lot of the questioners in gaol, or have their
yid friendly governments do it for them. Some, on trumped up charges
totally unrelated to questioning the shoah, of course.
The shoah industr really needs to clean up its Human Resources department.
They employment coordinators are doing a very, very bad job of employing
appropriate shills.
"Any people who have been persecuted for 2000 years, must be doing something
wrong". Kissinger.
His problem is that you are a blatant liar.
Have you ever bothered to look at the history of Auschwitz I? The
architectural drawings? What buildings were there when the Nazis took it
over? In case you weren't aware, Auschwitz I was a Polish Army Barracks
before the Nazis took it over.
Was your "Swimming pool" build then?
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
Sara
--
"... All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus, the Belsens,
the Buchenwalds, the Auschwitzes - all of them. ... they are a monument
to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a
graveyard. Into it they shoveled all their reason, their logic, their
knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget
this, the moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we
become the gravediggers. Something to dwell on and remember, not only in the Twilight Zone but wherever men walk God's Earth."
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:15:50 -0700, Sara Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Go pick up a copy of Laurence Rees' new book on Auschwitz. Or Robert Jan
> >van Pelt's book on Auschwitz. All the documentation is there.
>
> Will you stand behint the accuracy of these books?
Do you stand behind every book you read?
I absolutely believe both of these books, yes. Stand behind them? For
what purpose? You asked where the information comes from. I told you.
Both Rees and van Pelt got their information from the Auschwitz
archives, which are also open to you yourself should you request it.
>
> >On the other hand, you can go to Auschwitz yourself and see it.
>
> See what?
See what I took pictures of and posted the links to: the so-called
swimming pool, which is neither a swimming pool or is it "Olympic-sized."
You might actually learn something.
>
> >Sara
> >
> >And by the way, the word is "scrip." "Script" is something actors use.
> Thanks.
You're welcome.
You see, when you make such "definitive" statements and yet make such
silly mistakes, it makes it rather difficult for others to think you
know what you're talking about.
Van Pelt, on the other hand, has spent years researching Auschwitz. I
would tend to believe him.
Now, before you get all cut-and-paste about it, van Pelt has given an
opinion or two that were proven wrong, specifically his statement that
the holes in Krema II at Birkenau would never be located. He was wrong.
The holes were located, and van Pelt, I believe, has endorsed the
findings of Messers McCarthy, Keren, and Mazal. Those findings, by the
way, were peer-reviewed by quite a few other experts before they were
published.
But I have no doubt that when van Pelt states a fact, it is a fact.
Really? I hope you'll give us details of your visit there, like the name
of your guide, and exactly which buildings at which camps you'll be
seeing.
Do you have any recommendations regarding objective guides? I'd like to see
the lot. Time is not an issue.
Serious question, by the bye.
>On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:39:01 -0500, <philip...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> At least I don't believe the swimming pool was a reserve water
>>> supply for the camp, and "disguised" as a swimming pool.
>>Just shows how stupid you are!
>>
>>And it was a reserve water supply for the fire brigade, halfwit.
>It was planned as a swimming pool,
You can document this?
>built as a swimming pool,
You can document this?
>used as a swimming pool.
>Can't you understand it was a f$%king swimming pool?
>
>What is your problem anyway?
That it was a reservoir for fire fighting, sometimes used as a
swimming pool, but not by inmates which was the original claim.
> I guess that's why so many people are now investigating the presumed
> holocaust.
In fact "so many people are not investingating the "presumed"
Holocaust. The Holocaust is a proven historical event.
--
Philip Mathews
No it wasn't.
It was planned as a water reservoir for the fire brigade.
Mindless denial doesn't change proven history.
--
Philip Mathews
Which is a stupid comment failing to take into account the point made.
--
Philip Mathews
Kissinger never said any such thing, lying Jew hater.
Do you really think that people of any intelligence would pay any
attention to such nonsense?
--
Philip Mathews
Did so.
>
> Do you really think that people of any intelligence would pay any
> attention to such nonsense?
People of intelligence - yes. Yids - no.
Which shows that it was not a swimming pool for over 100,000 inmates
of Birkenau.
> A "gas chamber" situated just metres from living quarters for the
> German guards
The Birkenau crematoria were not just meters from livng quarters.
> A crematorium flue, connected to nothing. Just standing there.
You obviiously don't know what you're talking about.
--
Philip Mathews
> Did so.
Then you can demonstrate that with evidence!
>> Do you really think that people of any intelligence would pay any
>> attention to such nonsense?
>
> People of intelligence - yes. Yids - no.
Says the Jew hating denier.
--
Philip Mathews
Certainly.
The person who showed me around Auschwitz and Birkenau was the son of
the former director, Mr. Smolen. But I don't believe he is still working
there.
I would suggest you stay in Krakow and rent a car. The drive to
Auschwitz is about 30-40 minutes. You can stay in the town of Auschwitz
at a Soviet-style hotel, but I've heard nothing good about it.
I would suggest you spend your first day (at least) at Auschwitz I, the
main camp. Go into every building, ask a lot of questions. Walk by the
"pool."
When you're done for the day, there's a wonderful ice cream parlor in
the town of Auschwitz. Be sure to walk behind it and see what a bomb
shelter looks like. You can't miss it. It's the huge concrete building
right behind the ice cream parlor. Doesn't look anything like the
buildings at Birkenau.
As for Birkenau, I'd give it at least two days. If nothing else, you
will get a sense of the size of the place, which is something you don't
get from the pictures. I'd especially recommend that you walk over to
the SS barracks, and then run at full speed over to the buildings we
call the gas chambers and deniers call the "air raid shelters." Of
course, you need to imagine yourself running in full field gear, but it
will certainly help you understand why the very idea that these
buildings were air raid shelters is laughable.
If you'd like any more suggestions, I'd be glad to offer then.
Auschwitz, fuckwit. The one and only remaining "gas chamber" is situated
with metres of guards living quarters.
>
>> A crematorium flue, connected to nothing. Just standing there.
>
> You obviiously don't know what you're talking about.
Bollocks. Do some research on what the tourists are shown.
Its' been done before, and you know it.
>
>>> Do you really think that people of any intelligence would pay any
>>> attention to such nonsense?
>>
>> People of intelligence - yes. Yids - no.
>
> Says the Jew hating denier.
Nope. Don't hate anyone or anything. Don't deny your precious holocaust,
just question certain significant aspects of it.
Thank you. Filed for future reference.
According to Professor Marc Klein, a Jewish professor of medicine and
Auschwitz survivor, It was a swimming pool that was used by inmates for
swimming, water polo, and even swim racing meets. The pool is 50
meters long, which is olympic sized for the length of the laps, though
not the official 25 meters wide. But the pool had concrete starting
blocks for racing swimmers as well as concrete foundation for two
levels of diving boards. The pool was located within the compound,
only about fifty feet from block eleven. It was a swimming pool for
inmates, and all the holocaust hogwash can't change that.
Do you suppose maybe the air raid shelters were placed a long
distance from the barracks because the Germans knew that the
barracks would attract the bombs, and they wanted to be some
distance away when they blew up?
That it is Olympic length would suggest that it was designed as a
swimming pool, wouldn't it? I've seen the picture -- it sure looks
like a swimming pool to me.
Umm... no.
The morgues could have served as air raid shelters for the crematorium
operators and people close by.
The morgues had a 10 inch thick steel reinforced ceiling with 18 inch thick
earth cover on top of it. This should give sufficient protection against
flying shrapnell from anti-air craft shells and bombs. Of cause for a direct
hit they eould have been useless.
Which is one reason the gassing operation was moved to Birkenau, where
there were many gas chambers, the ruins of some of them still there.
>>> A crematorium flue, connected to nothing. Just standing there.
>>
>> You obviiously don't know what you're talking about.
>
> Bollocks.
About as much as can be expected from a halfwit.
--
Philip Mathews
No, it has not been done at all.
>>>> Do you really think that people of any intelligence would pay any
>>>> attention to such nonsense?
>>>
>>> People of intelligence - yes. Yids - no.
>>
>> Says the Jew hating denier.
>
> Nope. Don't hate anyone or anything.
It oozes from every one of your pores.
--
Philip Mathews
Maybe they did. During an air raid, I'm sure everyone would want
to be in structures that were reinforced -- and if possible, not
right beside the obvious targets for the bombs.
> Nope. Don't hate anyone or anything.
"Yids are lice laddie." -- Ben Cramer, Message-ID:
<dr8uf6$5vp$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Kurt knoll.
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
news:drcbr3$p5s$1...@pcls4.std.com...
> In article <tqWdnUtsLIP37UTe...@comcast.com>,
> Protagonist <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>
>>> Now what about these people? Why did they die?
>
>> Typhus, moron!
>
> No.
>
>> Can't you see the bone skinny bodies?
>
> A direct result of the policy of intentional starvation, as
> outlined in e.g. the following. On 24 August 1942, the Governor
> of Nazi-occupied Poland, Hans Frank, said the following in a
> cabinet meeting:
>
> "In whatever difficulties you observe some place here, in the
> form of the sicknesses of your workers, the breakdown of your
> associations,
> etc., you must always think of the fact that it is still much better when
> a
> Pole breaks down than that a German succumb. That we sentence 1.2 million
> Jews to die of hunger should be noted only marginally. It is a matter, of
> course, that should the Jews not starve to death it would, we hope, result
> in a speeding up of anti-Jewish measures." Source:
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/policy-of-starvation.shtml
>
> Lt. Col. Johnston, of the Royal Army Medical Corps, had this to say
> after his inspection of the Belsen camp: "There was obvious evidence of
> extreme and systematic starvation both in the living and the dead"
> (source:
> "The Belsen Trial", page 46).
>
> The following are some of the photographs taken in the camps
> immediately after liberation:
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/index.shtml
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
> http://www.chorale-populaire-de-paris.com/IMG/jpg/dachau.jpg
> http://www.arory.com/Doc%20du%20mois/dachau.jpg
>
> It is especially instructive to compare the appearance of the
> victims with that of the SS personnel and the German population
> living right by the camps:
>
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/belsen04.shtml
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/ss-women.shtml
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald04.jpg
>
> The last photograph shows German civilians living by Buchenwald camp,
> after being made to visit the camp and view its horrors. Note their
> excellent physical condition -- they are, obviously, very well fed.
> And -- this is how the inmates looked:
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>
> RJ.
>
So you'd like to believe. More evidence of your delusional state of mind.
So you demonstrate every day, halfwit.
--
Philip Mathews
As the other total loser and 'tard is wont to state -
PROOF?????????????????????????????????????????????
You mean there is another total loser besides you?
It must be the Rev, who was run off!
--
Philip Mathews
Nothing got to do with GREAT MINDS, but common sense.
Most people talk from personal interest, rarely speak the truth!
JS