The "standard procedure" used by God for creation of subsequent races of people
JP3
different characteristics and personal attributes, is designed for a
slightly different way of living and other environmental conditions,
etc., etc. So when God created the humanity, then He created
separately every race of people. In this way to every race He could
give attributes that were required for it. This fact of a separate
creation of every human race is confirmed by differences in
description of its origins in the native religion of that race. After
all, for every race of people, the native religion of it provides a
specific and different "history of the creation". This history of
creation is slightly different e.g. for ancient Greeks and Romans,
while different for ancient Egyptians. It is also different for
natives of Israel, India, China, or New Zealand, and still different
for Vikings or Slaves. It so happens, that currently we all assume for
our history of creation only the history described in the Bible (which
outlines the procedure of creation of the couple of first Israelites
in the cosmic vehicle called "Eden" and similar to the Magnocraft type
K7 - for details see subsection P6.1 from volume 13 of monograph
[1/4]). We do NOT take under consideration that the Bible clearly
states that it describes just the history of creation of only the
first pair of people from the Jewish race. In turn other races of
people were created in slightly different manners and in different
times. Descriptions of creation of these other races of people are
provided by their native religions.
Of course, while creating in sequence a whole array of races of
people, God developed for Himself something what could be called a
"general procedure of creation of a new race of people". This
procedure for every race has several common stages, the description of
which is contained in native religions of subsequent races. The most
important amongst these common stages of every procedure of creation
of a new race include: (1) the creation of body, (2) breathing-in the
soul, (3) learning in an Eden, (4) expelling to the Earth. Let us now
describe the essence of each one amongst these common stages. Here
they are:
Re (1): The creation of body. Everything in our physical world,
including the body of every person, is formed from a substance called
the "counter-matter". This substance has attributes of a liquid
computer, meaning it carriers inside a hierarchical system of
programs (i.e. the so-called "soul") that defines both the shape into
which it is formed and the behaviour of it. This is why the statement
that "everything in our universe is just one amongst many possible
manifestations of always the same 'counter-matter' " expresses the
truth. More extensive descriptions of the manner how objects of our
physical world are formed from this "counter-matter" are provided in
items #I2 to #I4 from the totaliztic web page "dipolar_gravity.htm".
So in order to create a body of man, God needed to only "create a
program that formed this 'counter-matter' into a shape of man". Of
course, if this formation of the shape of man from the counter-matter
someone tries to describe with the use of just limited vocabulary of
first humans, then the most simply but the most accurately would
express this with words that "God 'moulded' man from 'counter-matter'
". Because to the first people unknown was also the word describing
this "counter-matter", thus for expressing it the first people used
names of most commonly known substance from which a man can be
'moulded', and which contains this "counter-matter" - means "clay",
"earth", "sand", etc. For this reason, almost every native religion in
the world claims that "God 'formed' the body of man from 'clay' " (or
from 'soil' or 'sand', etc.). For example, the native religion of
ancient Greeks states that the first female, so-called "Pandora" was
"moulded" from "clay" by the god Hephaestus, while the life was
breathed into her by goddess Athena.
Re (2): Breathing-in the soul. In practically every native religion of
the world, the "standard procedure of creation" of the first person
contains in itself also the information about subsequent "breathing-in
the soul" into the existing body of the first human. According to
descriptions from items #C1 and #C2 of the totaliztic web page
"soul_proof.htm", soul is a kind of "natural program" which needs to
be "uploaded" to the "counter-matter" that forms the body of every
living creature, to make this body alive - similarly as software from
present computers must be "uploaded" to the hardware of these
computers to make their work possible. In primitive languages of
antiquity the process of "uploading" a program into something in a
best way can be described as the "breathing-in" this program. This is
why for describing this hugely vital process of uploading the "program
of soul" to the body, in practically all native religions of the world
is used the expression of "breathing-in the soul" or "breathing-in the
life". This highly illustrative expression is contained in even so
"exotic" religion as the native religion of Chinese from the vicinity
of the "Yellow River" in China. For example, on page 21 of the book
[1#D1] "The Book of Beginnings" (Time-Life Books, Amsterdam, 1986,
ISBN 7054-0896-5), the creation of first Chinese people is described
in the following manner: "... Goddess Nu Kua gave earth its first
human inhabitants. She sculptured their bodies from clay, infused with
life, and taught them how to love." In turn on page 19 of the same
book [1#D1] that "infusing with life" is described in following words:
"She placed the body on the ground and breathed a cloud of warm,
heavenly incense over it." Later another Chinese god named Fu Hsi
taught people everything that they needed to know to survive, for
example how to plot nets and do fishing, how to ignite fire and cook,
how to play on musical instruments, and how to write.
Re (3): Learning in an Eden. After the creation and making first
people alive, God always placed them in a kind of "school of life" (in
Christianity this school is called "Eden"). Over there, without
putting into it any effort, people received from God practically
everything that was necessary for living, while God taught them the
most vital skills, and lectured to them the first religion. Into the
syllabus of this teaching and the native religion for a given race,
God included also the knowledge about origins of the universe, and
also knowledge about the procedure of creation of a given race of
people. This is why it can be formally proven that into all religions
of the world God included the same basic truths, only that in every
religion these truths are expressed with different wordings and
examples - for descriptions of this mutual similarities of truths and
knowledge contained in practically all religions of the world see item
#C6 from the totaliztic web page "prawda_uk.htm". In this "school of
life" (i.e. in the "Eden") God directly and bodily interacted with
first people of a given race. For this purpose God created for Himself
his own "bodily representations" - means bodies which from the
appearance were similar to bodies of people from a given race.
(Principles and procedure of this temporally creation of "bodily
representations of God" or "embodiments of God" are described in items
#B12, #B11, and #B13 from the web page "god.htm".) However, these
"bodily representations of God" or "embodiments of God" did NOT
receive the so-called "free will" (as such "free will" of making any
decisions and implementing these decisions in actions, God gave to
people), but their minds were directly linked to the mind of God. In
other words, these "bodily representations of God" did exactly what
the mind of God ordered them to do. Due to the introduction of these
"embodiments of God", the first people educated in the "Eden"
interacted physically with such temporally created "bodily
representations of God" - the thinking, knowledge, and capabilities of
which in fact were those of Godly thinking, knowledge and
capabilities. In order to be able to demonstrate illustratively to the
first people not only the knowledge about survival, but also the moral
knowledge, life wisdom, dangers, the sense of responsibility,
traditions, etc., in this "school of life" from the "Eden" God always
assumed at least two mutually opposite "bodily representations".
Because the principle of which works the mind of God, gives to this
God the ability to carry out countless number of actions at once, God
could easily assume simultaneously more than one such His "bodily
representation". (This ability of God to work in a similar manner as
modern "multiprocessor computers" do work, means to simultaneously
carry out countless number of different actions, is described more
comprehensively in (3) from item #C6 of the abovementioned web page
"prawda_uk.htm".) Out of these two or more opposite "bodily
representations", which God always assumed in this "school of
life" (means, in the "Eden"), at least one always illustrated to
people what is "good", while another (or more than one) always
illustrated to people what is "evil". In His first processes of
creation of people, i.e. when God created races and religions of
ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Indian, Chinese, etc., God assumed a large
number of such His "bodily representations", each one of them
equipping into a different personality, habits, vices, weaknesses,
etc. But in later procedures of creation of e.g. Israelites or New
Zealand Maoris, God already limited the number of His "bodily
representations" to just two basic ones. Of course, all these "bodily
representations of God", means ones which illustrated "good" as well
as ones which illustrated "evil" to people, always were linked to the
same superior mind of God. Only that each one of them received an
independently working body and each one of them received from God a
different personality. Also about actions of all of them always
decided the same superior mind of God. In myths which describe the
Hebrew "Eden", these two opposite personalities assumed by the "bodily
representations of God" were called "Messiah" and "Serpent" - later
this "Serpent" was also called "Satan". (These Hebrew myths about the
Eden are discussed in the book [2#D1] by Robert Gravez and Raphael
Patai entitled "Mity Hebrajskie", Cykady, 1993, Warszawa, Poland. The
description of Hebrew "Eden" from the book [2#D1] was also summarised
on page 152 of the book [3#D1] by Andrea Olszewski entitled "Boski
Gwa³t", Warszawa 1996, ISBN 83-900944-1-X.) In turn the Maori
mythology calls these two opposite "bodily representations of God"
with names of "Tane" and "Uenuku". Due to them, in the procedure of
creation of every native religion on the Earth, first people always
directly experienced the helpful and friendly personality of
"Messiah", as well as the hostile and cunning personality of
"Serpent" (called also "Satan"). Both these personalities developed in
people, amongst others, traditions, and also the understanding for
origins and mechanisms of specific events. For example, in the "Eden"
of every human race, lessons were also served which taught the first
humans that women are sources and reasons for many problems. In case
of the "Eden" for the Hebrew race, this lesson was the event with the
"apple picked for eating by Eve". In the "Eden" for ancient Greeks,
this lesson was the so-called "Pandora's Box". In turn the "Eden" for
New Zealand Maoris provided this lesson through myths that the first
woman become a source of tears, pain, illnesses, etc.
Re (4): Expelling to the Earth. After the education of first people
was finished, God created some excuse to "expel them to the Earth" and
make them to actually live on the land previously prepared for them.
Of course, God was forced to do this by force and "tricks", as people
had too good lives in the "Eden" to leave it voluntarily. In this
"expelling to the Earth" God always used somehow His "bodily
representation" which illustrated the "evil" (e.g. used "Serpent" or
"Satan" from Christianity, or "Uenuku" from the native religion of
Maoris).
#D2. Why the confirmation of the use of this "standard procedure"
during the creation of Maoris by God, is for us so important:
The scientific theory of everything called the Concept of Dipolar
Gravity explains to us comprehensively what is God. According to this
explanation, similarly to present computers, God is the amalgamation
of three components, the thinking one amongst which is the huge
natural program by Christianity called the "Holy Spirit" that self-
evolved inside of the thinking substance called the "counter-matter".
(This "counter-matter" is the substance that has the natural
attributes of a "liquid computer hardware" and that exists in the
separate world called the "counter-world" - for details see item #C2
on the totaliztic web page "god_proof.htm" or item #I2 on the
totaliztic web page "dipolar_gravity.htm".) In turn by being such a
huge natural program, this software component of God likes to create
"standard software procedures" for practically everything, and then
likes to simply implement these procedures. For example, just such
"standard procedures of action" of God are all phenomena of nature,
energy, heat, friction, so-called "laws of nature", every religion,
and also the procedure of creation of subsequent races of people
described in the previous item.
Present atheistic scientists, and with them also remaining people,
chronically overlook the existence of these "software procedures"
established in an intelligent manner and then implemented by God with
the iron consequence. They believe that the universe has everything
"wired permanently in a hardware manner", that no laws can be changed,
and that no quantity was designed intelligently and introduced to
action only because God deduced that the manifestation of this
quantity would support His goals and His principles of action. For
this reason, the relatively recent creation by God not only New
Zealand but also Maoris, has an immense learning significance for us.
This is because it allows us to confirm scientifically that such
"software procedures" of action of God in fact do exist. In turn the
confirmation of the existence of these procedures introduces
revolutionary consequences for our understanding of mechanisms of the
universe. After all, it confirms also for us that "all religions of
the world express the same basic truths, only that each one of them
does it with different words and examples". In this way it confirms
also that the atheistic path to knowledge followed by present
scientists and based upon analysis of evidence and facts does NOT
leads to the truth, because this evidence and facts are intentionally
"fabricated" by intelligent God to allow Him to accomplish His godly
goals - for more information on this subject see the totaliztic web
page "evolution.htm".
#D3. When and how God created Maori people:
The race of New Zealand Maoris God created relatively recent, because
just around 1000 years ago. (E.g. on page 6 of the book [1#D3] by J.M.
Mc Ewen, "Rangitana. A Tribal History" (Reed Methuen, Auckland, 1986,
ISBN 0-474-00030-3) one can find a statement, quote: "Some hundreds
of ...(Maori)... genealogies in my possession show pretty consistently
that this Whatonga lived about 23 generations prior to the year
1900.") However, during the creation of Maoris, God still used His
"standard procedure of the creation of people" which I described
before, and which God developed around 6000 years ago (for the
information how we learned the date of creation of the physical world
and first people by God - see subsection JA1.3 from monograph [8/2]).
Let us now review from myths of the native religion of Maoris, how God
created the race of Maori people.
Because God intended to settle Maoris on Antipodes - which are
extremely hostile towards humans, God created the "Eden" for Maoris in
the form of a "flying island" on which He recreated the flora and
fauna similar to the flora and fauna which Maoris were to find and
utilise in New Zealand. For example, in that Eden for Maoris "kumara"
used to grow in the natural state. ("Kumara" is a kind of sweet
potatoes later planted by Maoris in New Zealand.) This Eden for Maoris
God named "Hawaiki". For Himself God prepared in there two "bodily
representations" in the form of two Maori males. For the duration of
interacting with people on the soil of Hawaiki, to the first (i.e. to
the one representing "evil") amongst these two His "bodily
representations" God gave the name "Uenuku". (Of course, God's mind
was linked to both these "bodily representations".) This is why Maori
legends state that this "Uenuku" was "atua" - means God, and also was
the great "rangatira" - means the landlord of Hawaiki. To the second
of His "bodily representations" - i.e. to the one which represented
"good", God gave the name "Tane". As legends of Maoris state, then
from the "sand" (or "soil") of Hawaiki (i.e. from "counter-matter")
God moulded the body of the first Maori woman. Then He breathed the
soul into her, so that this first Maori woman become alive. This first
Maori woman received the name "Hine-ahu-one", that means "woman-shaped-
from-soil" (her description is provided also in item #C6 from the
totaliztic web page "prawda_uk.htm"). Because God already had the body
of a Maori male, so in order to multiply the race of Maoris He simply
had sexual intercourse with this first woman, in turn she gave birth
to numerous children. Their descendants formed the new race of Maoris.
During teaching these Maoris how to live, God was forced to prepare
them to harsh realities of Antipodes. For this reason the character
and personality which He gave to this "Uenuku" were extremely wild,
rapid, angry, and hostile towards human inhabitants of Hawaiki. Thus
Maoris learned from him on Hawaiki how to live in very hostile
conditions. When the education was finished, God "exiled" subsequent
families of Maoris from "Hawaiki". An excuse for exiling them from the
Maori "Eden" was usually a quarrel and hostility which that Uenuku
initiated with a given Maori family. Because all inhabitants of
Hawaiki knew jolly well that with Uenuku no-one ever wins, when he
started a quarrel and persecution of a given family, then this family
had no other option but to get into their boat and to escape from
Hawaiki to New Zealand. In order to make their escape easier, God
anchored this "flying island" called "Hawaiki" in the visual vicinity
of the shores of New Zealand (after all, the software so-called
"timespace" allows such a close-by anchoring to be carried out
easily). In fact, at that time one could see from Hawaiki shores of
New Zealand with bare eyes. A bit of information about principles on
which the "flying island" of Hawaiki was anchored just by shores of
New Zealand, gives to us my own case of visiting a church in Warszawa,
Poland, which (the church) at present is actually anchored in Œwiêta
Lipka (i.e. around 200 kilometres from Warszawa) - this event is
described in item #D6.1 from the totaliztic web page named
"timevehicle.htm".
There is evidence which confirms that at the time of "exiling" Maoris
from their "Eden", the flying island called Hawaiki was anchored in
the sea in the visual distance from shores of New Zealand. This
evidence is represented by three small rocks sticking out from the
sea, in English called "Volker Rocks" (Maoris call them "Paepae-Aotea"
means "Threshold of New Zealand") - which exist in the sea near the
"White Island" from the southern "Bay of Plenty" - i.e. not far from
present New Zealand town called "Tauranga". According to religious
myths of Maoris, these three rocks were located approximately a half
way between Hawaiki and shores of New Zealand. On the other hand these
rocks are distant by no more than 50 km from the shore of New Zealand.
(Interestingly that in their vicinity the shore of New Zealand is so
formed, that almost in every direction these rocks are at the same
distance from the solid ground of New Zealand.) Photographs and
descriptions of these "Volker Rocks", and also the content of Maori
legends about them, are contained on page 51 of the book [2#D3] by
Margaret Orbell, "Maori Myth and Legend" (Canterbury University Press,
1995, ISBN 0-908812-45-0).
#D3.1. Moriori - means the first failed attempt of God to populate New
Zealand:
When God created the Maori race, it was NOT the first attempt to
populate New Zealand. A significant time before the creation of Maori,
God already created a human race which was designated especially for
settling in New Zealand. They were called "Moriori". They were also
created in "Hawaiki" - especially for conditions and laws of
Antipodes. They also used the same language as "Maori". But their
genetic makeup was completely different from Maori - we know it e.g.
from a drastic difference in taste of their flesh (see item #F2 from
page "newzealand_visit.htm"). Their creation took place around 184
generations before the year 1900 (means over 4000 years ago) - for
details see page 177 of the book [1#D3.1] by Gary J Cook and Thomas J
Brown, "The Secret Land. People Before" (StonePrint Press,
Christchurch, New Zealand, 1999, ISBN 0-9582040-0-4). Moriori had a
peaceful nature. So God discovered that without aggression they are
unable to generate in themselves motivations to develop their
civilisation. Thus after several thousands of years God decided to add
them a competition - means aggressive Maori people of a completely
different genetic makeup. Unfortunately, instead of competing with
them, Maori gradually eaten all Moriori that inhabited New Zealand.
But because both races used the same language, a significant amount of
knowledge and myths of Moriori survived until historic times, as Maori
adopted them for their own. (E.g. the myth about "Maui" originates
from Moriori.) The only place where Moriori physically survived until
the time of European colonisation were "Chatham Islands".
#D5. Meaningful truths revealed by gradual improvements of standard
procedure of the creation of subsequent races of people:
At this beginning of this post, and also in item #D1 of the web page
"newzealand_visit.htm", is described the "standard procedure" which
God used during creation of subsequent races of people. Although the
entire this procedure turns out to be the same for almost every race
of people, with the elapse of time we can notice small, although
continuous, improvements and changes introduced to the stage (3) -
means to the "Learning in an Eden". For example, if we analyse the
creation of Hindu race (which was the first and the oldest practical
implementation of this "standard procedure" of creation of people on
the Earth), then it turns out that during teaching the first Hindu
people in their "Eden", God assumed in there the huge number of
various "bodily representations of God". (These "bodily
representations of God" presently are described in Hinduism under the
name of "Hindu gods" or "deities" - see items #B6 and #B6.1 from the
totaliztic web page "god.htm".) For first Hindu people, each one
amongst these "bodily representations of God" had the body and the
appearance of humans, also each one of them had a personality and
character which were the mixture of good and evil - as an example see
the appearance of the "Hindu god" named "Murugan", the appearance and
the character of which is illustrated in the "Fig. #B1ab" from the
totaliztic web page named "immortality.htm". In order to teach people
more effectively, in the Eden of Hindu people these "bodily
representations of God" had, and used, various advanced technical
devices, including famous flying "vimana" - i.e. starships similar to
my Magnocraft. One amongst these representations, always used a
breathing apparatus similar to present "gas mask". (Namely, that "gas
mask" was used by the "Hindu god" whom most frequently is called
"Ganesha".) Because of that mask, first Hindu people announced that he
has a "head of elephant" and paid a greater attention to him than to
other gods. For this reason, when God created further races of Greeks
and Egyptians, then to some amongst still then numerous His "bodily
representations", He gave intentionally the appearance of half-humans
and half-animals. It turned out then, that people whom during the
stage of "Learning in an Eden" interacted with these bodily
representations of God, linked their appearance to their characters.
Therefore, in yet another process of creation of Chinese, God
decisively gave attributes of various unpleasant animals, e.g. snakes,
to these amongst His bodily representations (e.g. to "dragons") which
supposed to teach people about evil, while the fully human appearance
- to these His bodily representations which were to teach people about
good. Because of the success of this illustrative approach to teaching
people, when God created first Israelis, He abandoned the use in the
Eden of that large number of His bodily representations, and He placed
in there just two such representations, namely the humanly looking
"Messiah" (the behaviour of which illustrated "good" to people), and
"Serpent" or "Satan" - that had a partial appearance of a snake (the
behaviour of which illustrated "evil" to people). Because of the
success of these illustrations of good and evil, during the creation
of yet another race of Maoris God again repeated and emphasised this
principle even more - see, amongst others, also item #L1 in the web
page "newzealand_visit.htm".
The sole fact, that such a gradual evolution of selected details of
the "standard procedure of creation" utilised by God took place at
all, leads to several very important conclusions. For example, it
confirms the shocking (for some people) fact, that God also learns and
gradually extends as well as improves His knowledge and methods of
acting. In other words, it confirms that God does NOT know absolutely
everything and from the very beginning, but He also gradually learns
and gains experience in a manner identical as people do - what
actually God confirms openly in the verse 18:20-21 from the Biblical
Book of Genesis (this verse is discussed more thoroughly in item #M1
from the totaliztic web page "evolution.htm"). The gradual evolution
of the "standard procedure of creation" confirms also the finding
presented in item #B2 of the totaliztic web page "will.htm", namely
that God created man mainly to be able to continually increase with
the help of people His knowledge and the level of perfection of the
intelligent universe.
* * *
The above post is adopted from "part #D" (i.e. from items #D1 to #D5)
of the totaliztic web page named "newzealand_visit.htm" (updated on 12
Febryary 2010, or later). Actually, I would recommend to readers to
read it from that web page, as on the web page all links to other web
pages are working, it is printed in colour, it is also illustrated,
the content is updated regularly, etc. The latest update of the web
page "newzealand_visit.htm" can be viewed, amongst others, at
addresses:
http://members.fortunecity.com/timevehicle/newzealand_visit.htm
http://chi.maroc.to/newzealand_visit.htm
http://energia.sl.pl/newzealand_visit.htm
http://totalism.50megs.com/newzealand_visit.htm
http://propulsion.250free.com/newzealand_visit.htm
Each topic of totaliztic discussion, including this one, is also
repeated on several blogs of totalizm (this post carries in there the
number #179E). These blogs of totalizm can be viewed through following
internet addresses:
http://totalizm.wordpress.com
http://totalizm.blox.pl/html
It is also worth to have look in there at related posts, e.g. at post
number #172E which documents that "all religions of the world express
the same basic truths, only that each one of them does it with
different words and examples".
Related to this one is also the thread
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion/browse_thread/thread/b6df341f3b0ece6b#
.
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
Virgil
<780fc6a2-efcd-49ca...@w27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
JP3 <tota...@gmail.com> wrote:
You speak of your "god" as if you were sure there is one and only one.
But since the various chief gods assumed by various peoples are clearly
incompatible, how does one choose any one of them to the necessary
exclusion of all those others?
Aatu Koskensilta
> But since the various chief gods assumed by various peoples are
> clearly incompatible, how does one choose any one of them to the
> necessary exclusion of all those others?
Of course there's no need to exclude any god, chief or otherwise. Most
gods find it a bit distasteful how atheists like to endlessly go on
about their nonexistence. Some with a thicker hide of course just
chuckle bemusedly and go on with their godly business, entirely
unperturbed by these peculiar atheist obsessions.
--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.kos...@uta.fi)
"Wovon man nicht sprechan kann, dar�ber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
Frederick Williams
>
> [...] It so happens, that currently we all assume for
> our history of creation only the history described in the Bible (which
Who is this "we all"?
Frederick Williams
Become a mercenary and ally yourself with whoever pays best at the
moment.
Chazwin
Darwin, Wallace and even Galton all agreed that human so-called races
all derived from a single
natural origin.
Darwin, especially was at great pain to show that differences were
basically superficial and indicated the
unity of all humanity.
Genetic science has verified that we are all one species and that
genetic differences are arbitrary and
not related to, nor do they reflect the sort of socially defined
categories of race, culture and nation, that
are commonly associated with skin colour and so on.
> different personality. Also about actions ...
>
> read more »
Virgil
Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.kos...@uta.fi> wrote:
> Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> writes:
>
> > But since the various chief gods assumed by various peoples are
> > clearly incompatible, how does one choose any one of them to the
> > necessary exclusion of all those others?
>
> Of course there's no need to exclude any god, chief or otherwise. Most
> gods find it a bit distasteful how atheists like to endlessly go on
> about their nonexistence. Some with a thicker hide of course just
> chuckle bemusedly and go on with their godly business, entirely
> unperturbed by these peculiar atheist obsessions.
Do you have a favorite god? I must confess I do not.
Virgil
Frederick Williams <frederick...@tesco.net> wrote:
I have considered something similar, but since all gods I am familiar
with only promise future payment none of them can be said to pay best
"at the moment".