Shielding
Izabela Melamed
There is a lot told here about shielding, but I don't know how to do this.
Can you give me some advise, or to tell me of some meditation, or
visualization, or what ever it has to be to create my shielding? And what is
shielding anyway ?
Thanks, Izabela
gea.jones0
"Izabela Melamed" <izab...@usa.net> wrote in message
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know all about it. there are many degrees of protection hopefully you
wouldent need the srongest. if you visualise yourself in a glass pyramid
about 18 inches thick glass get comfortable and surround yourself with white
light or colours if you prefer you can put it round your home, family ,
friends to protect them do it last thing at night and first thing in the
mornig,imagine balls of white light on your chakra points and put gold
crosses inside them. the stomach is the most vulnerable area imagine putting
a wide purple silk scarf arond it afew times, like sumo wrestlers, tieit
,not too tight. ifyou need more information contactme best wishes gea jones
John Fitzsimons
<gea.j...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote:
>"Izabela Melamed" <izab...@usa.net> wrote in message
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>> Hi,
>> There is a lot told here about shielding, but I don't know how to do this.
>> Can you give me some advise, or to tell me of some meditation, or
>> visualization, or what ever it has to be to create my shielding? And what
>> is shielding anyway ?
Shielding, creating barriers to attacks/attackers.
>> Thanks, Izabela
>> i am so hopeless at typing sorry, if you mean psychic self defence
I think that that would be the main context for that phraseology. :-)
>then i
>know all about it. there are many degrees of protection hopefully you
>wouldent need the srongest.
I think it all depends on what one is up against. The stronger the
opponent, and/or the larger the number of opponents, the more the
need for something more substantial.
>if you visualise yourself in a glass pyramid
>about 18 inches thick glass get comfortable and surround yourself with white
>light or colours if you prefer you can put it round your home, family ,
>friends to protect them do it last thing at night and first thing in the
>mornig,
As well as any other time one is feeling that it might help/be
appropriate.
>imagine balls of white light on your chakra points and put gold
>crosses inside them.
That would perhaps be more suitable where a person has a christian
background. The cross has an added significance for them, therefore an
added benefit.
One can also consider using a pentagram instead of, or in addition, to
that.
>the stomach is the most vulnerable area imagine putting
>a wide purple silk scarf arond it afew times, like sumo wrestlers, tieit
>,not too tight. ifyou need more information contactme best wishes gea jones
I agree with pretty much all that you have said but I am not sure that
one can say that a particular chakra is the most vulnerable in
everyone. Everyone has different strengths/weaknesses.
For some people eg their head chakras will be the most vulnerable.
Therefore they will regularly get headaches as a result of psychic
attack.
Walls of light should dissolve discordant energy and dissuade negative
people from getting close. Never send discordant energy back to the
sender.
Regards, John.
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Izabela Melamed
"gea.jones0" <gea.j...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Izabela Melamed" <izab...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> > Hi,
> >
i
> know all about it. there are many degrees of protection hopefully you
> wouldent need the srongest. if you visualise yourself in a glass pyramid
> about 18 inches thick glass get comfortable and surround yourself with
white
> light or colours if you prefer you can put it round your home, family ,
> friends to protect them do it last thing at night and first thing in the
> mornig,imagine balls of white light on your chakra points and put gold
> crosses inside them. the stomach is the most vulnerable area imagine
putting
> a wide purple silk scarf arond it afew times, like sumo wrestlers, tieit
> ,not too tight. ifyou need more information contactme best wishes gea
jones
>
Thank you dear Gea,
I started immediately working on this though I can see now that it will take
some time until I learn to hold the vision longer. But I can "see" it very
clearly indeed.
By the way, John mentions in his reply that the crosses would be more useful
for christians. I am not a christian yet :-) but I found them beautiful and
shining, and even the easiest to visualize. Thanks again :-)
Izabela Melamed
"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> part 1, an email someone once sent me...
Thanks to you Shiva too. I've printed out your information for to look at it
on a "day light". If I have some questions I'll ask. :-)
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
Hello Shiva,
Well....I am absolutely stunned that this was posted by you!!
Ofcourse I do not know to how many people the contents of the e-mail
will ring true....but to me it sure sounds loud bells of
jubilation.....this is what I have always been smiling about.
At the end of the day it boils down to what one believes in......it is
all in the mind. You think you can be attacked....well don't think it
because you have by doing so allready invited an attacker in.
Izabela, I sure do hope that you will read this e-mail very carefully,
and consider its contents with equal attention.
Smiles, Lina.
> part 1, an email someone once sent me...
>
>
> <<The Nature Of Psychic Attacks-
> Why shielding can be counter productive to self-
> protection>>
>
>There has been much written in this day and age about
>shielding and self-protection using all kinds of means from
>simple affirmations, to very complex rituals or meditations. A
>psychic attack is very real to the person on the receiving end of
>hostile energies, and many people are concerned that
>they might get psychically attacked so they shield
>themselves on a regular basis to be safe. There is also a very
>common fear of psychic attacks from dark side entities, which can
>convince a person more than ever of the need
>for shielding and defense.
>However, I suggest that shielding is often very
>ineffective and can actually magnetize an attack to the person
>who is shielding their self. If a host of hostile thought forms
>or entities are zeroing in on a persons energy, they
>will eventually get through any shield being maintained by the
>consciousness of the person they are after. In a dynamic attack /
>defense situation like that, it takes tremendous focus to
>maintain a shield, and maintaining that focus is often just as
>draining as being hit by the attack. Eventually, the
>focus will waver, and the attack will come through.
>Now, why would putting up a shield just to be safe
>actually magnetize an attack to a person? The answer to this
>question is based on the principles of resistance and polarity.
>If a person is creating a shield because some
>part of them is afraid being attacked, or because a
>part of them fears or even hates dark side entities (the term
>itself is a polarization), then a polarized magnetic field of
>resistance exists within their psyche, and this
>magnetic field will actually attract to them what they
>are wanting to avoid.
>This is true of anything we are afraid of or resisting
>in life, yet it can be demonstrated very quickly in consciousness
>and energy.
>One way to think of this concept is that every defense
>is an expectation of an attack, so therefore an attack will be
>created or magnetized in order to fulfill the opposite polarity
>of the defense.
>What you resist persists is a maxim that has been around for a
>long time. This is especially true in the realms of
>consciousness. Any kind of resistance to
>dark or bad entities simply creates a polarity in
>ones consciousness that will attract those entities to them. When
>one realizes that Absolute power is absolute vulnerability (I
>believe that quote is from Zanzoona), that if one is completely
>at a state of peace and calm, regardless of any
>energies coming, then shielding isn't necessary or
>even desirable. Yet a person doesn't need to attain a state of
>absolute vulnerability in order to deal with a psychic attack,
>should they receive one from an external source. If the attack is
>coming from a person, or entities connected to a specific person,
>dealing with the attack is very simple. In your focus, call the
>person responsible for the forward. While maintaining a
>state of peace, calm and Love, acknowledge their God
>within them from your God within by saying something like, From
>the Lord God of My Being, I salute the Lord God of Your Being. If
>you sincerely saluted their Godself, then you have just risen
>above the personality and polarity levels of yourself and the
>person who is sending the attack. Ask your Godself to send
>all of the energies, entities, thought forms, etc that
>are coming from that person back to their Godself with Love. It
>is important that it be sent back to their Godself, not to their
>personality self, which would simply be a counter attack. Also,
>ask your Godself to bring back to you any of your own
>energy that you have sent to that person. When you
>send the energies back to the Godself of the person by contacting
>your God within, and take responsibility for the energy that you
>sent to them, the attack will end very quickly, because the God
>within each of you has no desire for combat.
>It is important to note here that most person to
>person psychic attacks are not deliberately sent, but rather are
>a result of one person feeling bitter, hateful, resentful,
>jealous, etc toward another person. The more strongly
>the sender of these emotions feels them, the more
>harmful energies are going to be sent towards the other person.
>It is also noteworthy that a person who feels an attack happening
>to them doesn't need to know exactly who is sending it and for
>what reason, if they arent receiving that information
>psychically. The methods for sending back the
>attacking energies to the Godself of the attacks originator is
>exactly the same. The procedure will even work for deliberate
>psychic attacks, although it may take more time and
>focus, depending on the severity of the harmful
>energies being sent.
>Now lets come back to the issue of being attacked by
>non-human entities on non-physical levels of consciousness, or
>dark side beings. It is especially important to not have hate or
>resistance to beings that we see (or judge) as evil or bad
>because those emotions create a magnetic field that will actually
>attract those entities to you. Beings that feed on human
>emotion always prefer the most base emotions such as
>fear, hate, resentment, despise, jealousy, victimization,
>tyranny, etc. When those emotions are present in a persons
>psyche, they create an energetic connection to the ETs
>that feed on that emotional energy. It isnt bad
>that these entities do this, it is simply what they do. When a
>person begins to absolve their identification with those
>emotions, the emotional food for the ETs begins to
>lessen. This is when a person is very likely to feel
>attacked by the feeders so as to create an emotional response in
>the person.
>
>Lastly, I want to emphasize that most psychic attacks
>come to us because of unresolved emotions, attitudes, traumas and
>experiences in our psyches. In other words, from our own Karma.
>When an attack comes, always first suspect that it is an aspect
>of your own consciousness clamoring for attention. If
>this is indeed the case, tune into what it is, how it
>was created, and work with your God within to absolve it. If the
>attack is coming from another person or from emotional feeder ,
>then use the techniques above to put a
>stop to the attack and disengage your energy from the
>attacker(s).
>
>
>
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:56 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>(--Shiva--) wrote:
>
Hello John,
In order not to go into an involved debate about this, suffice it for
me to say that I totally agree with the contents of the e-mail shiva
posted. Whether he himself agrees or disagrees with it, lol.
Also in order not to elaborate on an epistel of my own experiences,
again let it be sufficient to mention that I and my brother have been
unfortunate to have been under psychic attack. We knew who the
attacker was.
It is all in the mind, where thought form is born, and energy is
created. A psychic attack is done via energy......and can be invited
in or be anihilated by same....energy, in the only manner we know how
to form it - via thought form. One creates for oneself by pure
thought. Thought is the commencement of existence of any situation.
And a smile goes a long long way......want to make an attacker dizzy
and loose his/her/its composure....send through some loving thoughts,
and laugh it straight in the face!
Lina.
>> part 1, an email someone once sent me...
>
>> <<The Nature Of Psychic Attacks-
>> Why shielding can be counter productive to self-
>> protection>>
>
>Counter productive ? Someone not protected can be better off than
>someone protected ? Er......no.
>
>>There has been much written in this day and age about
>>shielding and self-protection using all kinds of means from
>>simple affirmations, to very complex rituals or meditations. A
>>psychic attack is very real to the person on the receiving end of
>>hostile energies, and many people are concerned that
>>they might get psychically attacked so they shield
>>themselves on a regular basis to be safe.
>
>Yep.
>
>>There is also a very
>>common fear of psychic attacks from dark side entities, which can
>>convince a person more than ever of the need
>>for shielding and defense.
>
>Yep.
>
>>However, I suggest that shielding is often very
>>ineffective and can actually magnetize an attack to the person
>>who is shielding their self.
>
>I would suggest that you are wrong.
>
>>If a host of hostile thought forms
>>or entities are zeroing in on a persons energy, they
>>will eventually get through any shield being maintained by the
>>consciousness of the person they are after.
>
>That isn't so. It would depend on how strong the attack was and
>how strong the defence was. Relative to each other.
>
>>In a dynamic attack /
>>defense situation like that, it takes tremendous focus to
>>maintain a shield, and maintaining that focus is often just as
>>draining as being hit by the attack.
>
>A dynamic attack warrants a dynamic form of defence. Anyone with
>any sense will sooner or later give up attacking someone with a good
>defence. Usually to go after "easier targets".
>
>>Eventually, the
>>focus will waver, and the attack will come through.
>
>Incorrect. Eventually the attack will waver and the attacker will
>give up.
>
>>Now, why would putting up a shield just to be safe
>>actually magnetize an attack to a person? The answer to this
>>question is based on the principles of resistance and polarity.
>>If a person is creating a shield because some
>>part of them is afraid being attacked, or because a
>>part of them fears or even hates dark side entities (the term
>>itself is a polarization), then a polarized magnetic field of
>>resistance exists within their psyche, and this
>>magnetic field will actually attract to them what they
>>are wanting to avoid.
>
>Fear attracts fearful influences. However of two choices ;
>
>(A) A fearful person with white light shielding
>
>or
>
>(B) A fearful person without white light shielding
>
>the latter will be better off. Part of the reason why is because the
>creation of a shield of light and/or radiating out light interferes
>with one's ability to be frightened. It is pretty difficult to hold a
>negative though and a positive thought at the same time.
>
>In any case one should be asking one's spirit guides of the light for
>help in such an exercise.
>
>>This is true of anything we are afraid of or resisting
>>in life, yet it can be demonstrated very quickly in consciousness
>>and energy.
>
>>One way to think of this concept is that every defense
>>is an expectation of an attack, so therefore an attack will be
>>created or magnetized in order to fulfill the opposite polarity
>>of the defense.
>
>About as sensible as saying that putting a lock on the doors of a
>house is an expectation of a burglary and therefore a burglary will
>happen. Er......no.
>
>>What you resist persists is a maxim that has been around for a
>>long time. This is especially true in the realms of
>>consciousness. Any kind of resistance to
>>dark or bad entities simply creates a polarity in
>>ones consciousness that will attract those entities to them.
>
>Let's see, dark entities have a choice to attack ;
>
>(A) People without defences.
>
>(B) People with defences.
>
>I wonder which they would prefer to attack ?
>
>Duh !
>
>>When
>>one realizes that Absolute power is absolute vulnerability
>
>Poor old God is in trouble !
>
>>(I believe that quote is from Zanzoona), that if one is completely
>>at a state of peace and calm, regardless of any
>>energies coming, then shielding isn't necessary or
>>even desirable.
>
>Obviously written by someone who hasn't been psychically attacked.
>Or someone who chooses to pretend that they haven't been.
>
>> Yet a person doesn't need to attain a state of
>>absolute vulnerability in order to deal with a psychic attack,
>
>Glad to hear that. :-)
>
>>should they receive one from an external source. If the attack is
>>coming from a person, or entities connected to a specific person,
>>dealing with the attack is very simple. In your focus, call the
>>person responsible for the forward. While maintaining a
>>state of peace, calm and Love,
>
>Very few people are in a state of peace and calm when they are under
>psychic attack. That comment is similar to suggesting that one be calm
>and relaxed when standing in front of a blizzard.
>
>>acknowledge their God
>>within them from your God within by saying something like, From
>>the Lord God of My Being, I salute the Lord God of Your Being. If
>>you sincerely saluted their Godself, then you have just risen
>>above the personality and polarity levels of yourself and the
>>person who is sending the attack.
>
>Person ? Few serious psychic attacks only involve one person. Most
>involve a number of physical, and non physical, attackers. In any case
>very few people consciously know who their main attacker is.
>
>> Ask your Godself to send
>>all of the energies, entities, thought forms, etc that
>>are coming from that person back to their Godself with Love. It
>>is important that it be sent back to their Godself, not to their
>>personality self, which would simply be a counter attack. Also,
>>ask your Godself to bring back to you any of your own
>>energy that you have sent to that person.
>
>One presumes you mean any "negative" energies ? Why would one
>want to have back the positive energies sent ? In any case one
>wouldn't want the negative energies back either. They are much
>better dissolved by the forces of light.
>
>>When you
>>send the energies back to the Godself of the person by contacting
>>your God within, and take responsibility for the energy that you
>>sent to them, the attack will end very quickly,
>
>Ignoring the fact that some psychic attack can go on for years.
>
>>because the God
>>within each of you has no desire for combat.
>
>Fine, however most serious attackers, have such strong negative
>shielding it can be next to impossible to get light to their "God
>self".
>
>>It is important to note here that most person to
>>person psychic attacks are not deliberately sent, but rather are
>>a result of one person feeling bitter, hateful, resentful,
>>jealous, etc toward another person. The more strongly
>>the sender of these emotions feels them, the more
>>harmful energies are going to be sent towards the other person.
>
>They are deliberately sent (on other levels) but often not consciously
>admitted to. Negative energies/entities are generally sent as a
>"punishment" to the other person and/or as part of an attempt to
>control them.
>
>>It is also noteworthy that a person who feels an attack happening
>>to them doesn't need to know exactly who is sending it and for
>>what reason, if they arent receiving that information
>>psychically. The methods for sending back the
>>attacking energies to the Godself of the attacks originator is
>>exactly the same. The procedure will even work for deliberate
>>psychic attacks, although it may take more time and
>>focus, depending on the severity of the harmful
>>energies being sent.
>
>Praying for love/light to go to one's attacker(s) is the best way to
>go. Most people have no idea who/how many people are involved
>in an attack.
>
>>Now lets come back to the issue of being attacked by
>>non-human entities on non-physical levels of consciousness, or
>>dark side beings. It is especially important to not have hate or
>>resistance to beings that we see (or judge) as evil or bad
>>because those emotions create a magnetic field that will actually
>>attract those entities to you.
>
>Yep.
>
>>Beings that feed on human
>>emotion always prefer the most base emotions such as
>>fear, hate, resentment, despise, jealousy, victimization,
>>tyranny, etc. When those emotions are present in a persons
>>psyche, they create an energetic connection to the ETs
>>that feed on that emotional energy.
>
>As well as those who aren't ETs.
>
>>It isnt bad
>>that these entities do this, it is simply what they do. When a
>>person begins to absolve their identification with those
>>emotions, the emotional food for the ETs begins to
>>lessen. This is when a person is very likely to feel
>>attacked by the feeders so as to create an emotional response in
>>the person.
>
>Yep. Emotional activation is a common way to weaken the person
>under attack.
>
>>Lastly, I want to emphasize that most psychic attacks
>>come to us because of unresolved emotions, attitudes, traumas and
>>experiences in our psyches. In other words, from our own Karma.
>
>Yep. Often from situations of attacking others. Physically,
>emotionally, mentally, psychically etc.
>
>>When an attack comes, always first suspect that it is an aspect
>>of your own consciousness clamoring for attention. If
>>this is indeed the case, tune into what it is, how it
>>was created, and work with your God within to absolve it. If the
>>attack is coming from another person or from emotional feeder ,
>>then use the techniques above to put a
>>stop to the attack and disengage your energy from the
>>attacker(s).
>
>I would phrase things differently. Simply send the opposite of
>anything negative that was originally sent.
John Fitzsimons
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:22:56 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
Hello Lina,
< snip >
>Also in order not to elaborate on an epistel of my own experiences,
>again let it be sufficient to mention that I and my brother have been
>unfortunate to have been under psychic attack.
Do you know anyone who has someone else thinking negatively about
them ? Then you know someone who is under psychic attack.
>We knew who the attacker was.
I often know the primary attacker when I am under concentrated psychic
attack. Your point was ?
>It is all in the mind, where thought form is born, and energy is
>created.
Certainly. If someone is thinking negatively about us then their mind
directs negative thought forms our way.
> A psychic attack is done via energy......
Certainly.
>and can be invited in or be anihilated by same....energy,
Certainly, but to counter negative energy one needs sufficient
positive energy to counter it. Just as there are physical people who
are stronger/weaker than ourselves there are also people who are
mentally stronger/weaker than ourselves.
>in the only manner we know how
>to form it - via thought form. One creates for oneself by pure
>thought. Thought is the commencement of existence of any situation.
>And a smile goes a long long way......want to make an attacker dizzy
>and loose his/her/its composure....send through some loving thoughts,
>and laugh it straight in the face!
That works where an attacker is a "newbie". With someone more
competent however it has less of an effect.
Most people under severe psychic attack situations are too much in
pain, too sick, too upset, too depressed etc. to be laughing at all.
>Lina.
John Fitzsimons
Hi Lina,
< snip >
>At the end of the day it boils down to what one believes in......
No, that isn't the case at all. Are you saying that if you don't
believe in psychic attack then you will not be psychically attacked ?
I hope not. Plenty of people who don't believe in psychic attack get
psychically attacked !
The delusion that there is no such thing as psychic attack does not
stop people from being adversely affected by attackers. Many people
get very physically sick and/or are in severe pain as a result of
psychic attack. Brought on by the wearing down of the victim's aura.
>it is
>all in the mind. You think you can be attacked....well don't think it
>because you have by doing so allready invited an attacker in.
Don't think you can be attacked and the same thing can happen.
< snip >
Not only can psychic attack lead to sickness and/or pain but it can
affect one's moods, one's relationships etc. etc. A competent psychic
attacker can also kill people if he/she wants to bother.
The Hermit
Sorry for the 'hit and run', busy, busy, busy.
I'm dealing with a case at the moment...so when I have time I'll give some
details of what is happening.
Hermit
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Izabela Melamed
> news:9m8php$ta51$1...@ID-75936.news.dfncis.de...
> > i am so hopeless at typing sorry, if you mean psychic self defence then
i
> know all about it. there are many degrees of protection hopefully you
> wouldent need the srongest. if you visualise yourself in a glass pyramid
> about 18 inches thick glass get comfortable and surround yourself with
white
> light or colours if you prefer you can put it round your home, family ,
> friends to protect them do it last thing at night and first thing in the
> mornig,imagine balls of white light on your chakra points and put gold
> crosses inside them. the stomach is the most vulnerable area imagine
putting
> a wide purple silk scarf arond it afew times, like sumo wrestlers, tieit
> ,not too tight. ifyou need more information contactme best wishes gea
jones
Now I have a clearly technical question. It maybe sounds a little naive, but
is something about visualizations that always has bothered me. But before
everything else - I like this pyramid so much that I start really to feel
"at home" in it. Thanks again.
When I visualize two things happen. Or I see myself inside the pyramid like
I am looking at me from a distance, or I really am inside the pyramid. The
first is the easier for me, but am not sure which is the right way to do it.
The second needs much more concentration until I enter that state close to
dreaming that I call hypnagogia. Then it is not difficult to "materialize"
the pyramid around me. But in a "normal" mode my perceptions shift too fast
and again I find myself looking at me from a distance. What is the correct
way to do it? And should I be bothered by this?
Izabela Melamed
> On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:56 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>
> >If a host of hostile thought forms
> >or entities are zeroing in on a persons energy, they
> >will eventually get through any shield being maintained by the
> >consciousness of the person they are after.
>
> That isn't so. It would depend on how strong the attack was and
> how strong the defence was. Relative to each other.
Why nobody mentions here the role of the spirit guardian when talking about
spirit protection ? What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't he
supposed to watch out all the time ? Why people get possessed or drained
despite the protection of their guardians ?
> >What you resist persists is a maxim that has been around for a
> >long time. This is especially true in the realms of
> >consciousness. Any kind of resistance to
> >dark or bad entities simply creates a polarity in
> >ones consciousness that will attract those entities to them.
>
> Let's see, dark entities have a choice to attack ;
>
> (A) People without defences.
>
> (B) People with defences.
>
> I wonder which they would prefer to attack ?
Maybe there are dark forces who like challenge? If a strong, experienced,
knowledgeable, intelligent negative, dark entity attempts on attack, on who
you think he would like to jump?
(A) Me - the ignorant, unprotected, weak, vulnerable newbie.
(B) You - the protected, knowledgeable, experienced nutcracker.
> Duh !
I think after swallowing me for appetizer he would love to sharpen his nails
on your shielding.
Izabela Melamed
"Lina" <lm...@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
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> On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:56 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
> (--Shiva--) wrote:
>
> Hello Shiva,
>
> Well....I am absolutely stunned that this was posted by you!!
>
> Ofcourse I do not know to how many people the contents of the e-mail
> will ring true....but to me it sure sounds loud bells of
> jubilation.....this is what I have always been smiling about.
> At the end of the day it boils down to what one believes in......it is
> all in the mind. You think you can be attacked....well don't think it
> because you have by doing so allready invited an attacker in.
But so many people get attacked before they had even heard that they could
be attacked ? So many children who know nothing about this get attacked in
their dreams and because of this they instinctively sleep with their toys -
to protect them. So many people suffer of mystery diseases like migraines,
some forms of cancer, lack of vital energy, but they never think that they
could be a result of psychic attack. What about alcoholism, hypochondria,
all kinds of mania, fix-ideas and hundreds of other "mental" diseases that
are so common these days ?
>
> Izabela, I sure do hope that you will read this e-mail very carefully,
> and consider its contents with equal attention.
Well, I read it a few times and still there are a few things that I have to
think about.
>
> Smiles, Lina.
>
Izabela Melamed
> On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:59 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
> (--Shiva--) wrote:
>
> >part 2... and 3
>
>
> >When building your first shield, it seems rather ridiculous to
> >lock in any negative energies you may be carrying with you
> >currently. Therefore, a preliminary cleansing, as follows:
>
> A shield of light does not "lock in" negative energies. :-)
Are you telling that preliminary cleansing is not necessary when one creates
a shield of light ?
> >Note that friendly and
> >unfriendly ties exist on different planes,
This doesn't sound correct to me... I don't know why...
> Sending light through negative links also breaks (dissolves) them.
> This can/should be done constantly.
Then it doesn't matter through which links one sends light. It would be okay
for all links.
I think I am getting something here. Shielding means closing oneself within
something. Radiating light is more like... moving outward but with a
snow-plough in front.
>
> >EMBELLISHMENTS AND NIFTY EXTRAS
> >(Thanks to Fiona MacGregor, the Dark Horde H&CTC, & Caer
> >Ironhold)
> >Attach a vial of Essence of Poison Ivy, to react upon attack.
>
> Workers in the light don't poison anyone.
I poisoned my mother yesterday with my back attack :-( :-( Really. She
spent one day in a hospital for infusions with diagnosis - poisoning,
reason - undisclosed. Here is what happened. In the night I woke up in a
dream where she (her spirit) was sitting near me on the bed holding my hand
and hypnotizing me with her loving, but possessive ideas about my "happy"
future. Good I became lucid, but bad I pushed all back to her. At the same
time she woke up in her house with symptoms of blood poisoning. They had to
call the ambulance. Only if I knew just a little earlier that I must not
reflect her poison back to her :-( :-( :-(
> >Silver-mirror the outer covering.
>
> Reflecting energy is fine IF one is directing it to hotter, brighter,
> planes for dissolution. Not for sending back to attackers however.
>
> >Add glue or rubber bands to the outside of your shield.
>
> Why ? Should we also add "stick it" notes as well ? :-)
>
> >Don't forget to clean more often if you use glue.
>
> To reduce the chances of getting in a "sticky"
> situation ? < ROFL >
>
> >An automatic maintenance system.
> >A sorter.
>
> Blondes to the left ? :-)
LOL :-D
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:1edmotogut3qnd6ct...@4ax.com...
>> On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:56 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>> >If a host of hostile thought forms
>> >or entities are zeroing in on a persons energy, they
>> >will eventually get through any shield being maintained by the
>> >consciousness of the person they are after.
>> That isn't so. It would depend on how strong the attack was and
>> how strong the defence was. Relative to each other.
>Why nobody mentions here the role of the spirit guardian when talking about
>spirit protection ?
Because we aren't speaking, in general, about protection. We are
specifically talking about shielding. Shielding *can* be done without
getting one's guides involved. It is much better however to involve
one's guides/guardian.
>What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't he
>supposed to watch out all the time ?
Of course, but people have free will. Also, sometimes one has the
karma to experience being attacked. Guardians are there to help
people to progress in their spiritual lessons. Not to avoid them.
>Why people get possessed or drained
>despite the protection of their guardians ?
"As one reaps, so one has sown." Being possessive of others results
in possessiveness of oneself, by others. Draining others results in
being drained oneself. There are of course better ways to reverse
the karma.
>> >What you resist persists is a maxim that has been around for a
>> >long time. This is especially true in the realms of
>> >consciousness. Any kind of resistance to
>> >dark or bad entities simply creates a polarity in
>> >ones consciousness that will attract those entities to them.
>> Let's see, dark entities have a choice to attack ;
>> (A) People without defences.
>> (B) People with defences.
>> I wonder which they would prefer to attack ?
>Maybe there are dark forces who like challenge?
Certainly, but that would be an exception. Not the general "rule". Did
you have any bullies at the school you used to attend ? Did they pick
on people who were weak ? Or people who were strong ?
>If a strong, experienced,
>knowledgeable, intelligent negative, dark entity attempts on attack, on who
>you think he would like to jump?
>(A) Me - the ignorant, unprotected, weak, vulnerable newbie.
>(B) You - the protected, knowledgeable, experienced nutcracker.
If he wants "results" then obviously the former. The latter would
entail a considerable amount of time, energy, and skill. Another
version of your question could be :
Would he attack someone ;
(A) That he was sure he could beat/control.
(B) Someone who he might not succeed against and who could well
deplete his resources.
>> Duh !
>I think after swallowing me for appetizer he would love to sharpen his nails
>on your shielding.
More likely thousands of "appetisers" first. Even after that he would
probably not be in a hurry to take on someone strong.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
< snip >
>Now I have a clearly technical question. It maybe sounds a little naive, but
>is something about visualizations that always has bothered me. But before
>everything else - I like this pyramid so much that I start really to feel
>"at home" in it. Thanks again.
Probably an image that you have used in many lives.
>When I visualize two things happen. Or I see myself inside the pyramid like
>I am looking at me from a distance, or I really am inside the pyramid. The
>first is the easier for me, but am not sure which is the right way to do it.
The "right" way is the way that is appropriate at any moment in time.
It is far better to be able to alternate than to be fixed in one or
the other.
Keep in mind that when you are getting the "wider" view it doesn't
necessarily mean that you are outside the pyramid. Sometimes your
spirit guides will project an "overview" to you.
>The second needs much more concentration until I enter that state close to
>dreaming that I call hypnagogia. Then it is not difficult to "materialize"
>the pyramid around me. But in a "normal" mode my perceptions shift too fast
>and again I find myself looking at me from a distance. What is the correct
>way to do it? And should I be bothered by this?
No, there is no need to be bothered. Just get used to being able to do
either.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:p6imotsoir6cnnit0...@4ax.com...
>> On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:59 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>> (--Shiva--) wrote:
>> >part 2... and 3
>> >When building your first shield, it seems rather ridiculous to
>> >lock in any negative energies you may be carrying with you
>> >currently. Therefore, a preliminary cleansing, as follows:
>> A shield of light does not "lock in" negative energies. :-)
>Are you telling that preliminary cleansing is not necessary when one creates
>a shield of light ?
It's not "necessary" but it is most certainly desirable. Negative
thought-forms within a shield create internal weakness. Not at all
what one needs.
>> >Note that friendly and
>> >unfriendly ties exist on different planes,
>This doesn't sound correct to me... I don't know why...
I think that that was meant to say "within different planes". Does
that make things clearer ?
In one sense both can apply. If for example one thinks of a negative
psychic link belonging to a lower plane than a positive psychic link.
>> Sending light through negative links also breaks (dissolves) them.
>> This can/should be done constantly.
>Then it doesn't matter through which links one sends light. It would be okay
>for all links.
Certainly, one should send love/light through light AND dark links. As
the latter can adversely affect us however many people tend to
consider them to be more important.
>I think I am getting something here. Shielding means closing oneself within
>something. Radiating light is more like...
Yes/no. Some people think of shielding as being "static". Not as
something radiating. IMO one should in fact do both. One can "radiate"
love/light but still have a shield in place. Kind of like a fallback
"line of defence".
>moving outward but with a
>snow-plough in front.
Yep.
>> >EMBELLISHMENTS AND NIFTY EXTRAS
>> >(Thanks to Fiona MacGregor, the Dark Horde H&CTC, & Caer
>> >Ironhold)
>> >Attach a vial of Essence of Poison Ivy, to react upon attack.
>> Workers in the light don't poison anyone.
>I poisoned my mother yesterday with my back attack :-( :-( Really. She
>spent one day in a hospital for infusions with diagnosis - poisoning,
>reason - undisclosed. Here is what happened. In the night I woke up in a
>dream where she (her spirit) was sitting near me on the bed holding my hand
>and hypnotizing me with her loving, but possessive ideas about my "happy"
>future.
Golly, she cannot have been "paying attention". Most people who do
that sort of thing make sure that the victim doesn't remember the
scripting.
>Good I became lucid, but bad I pushed all back to her. At the same
>time she woke up in her house with symptoms of blood poisoning. They had to
>call the ambulance. Only if I knew just a little earlier that I must not
>reflect her poison back to her :-( :-( :-(
That is the reason why one should not return negative energies/
influences back to people. People in the light are mean to be sending
light. Not darkness. Even darkness from others.
< snip >
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"Lina" <lm...@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
>news:3b8be828...@news.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> On 26 Aug 2001 00:59:56 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>> (--Shiva--) wrote:
>> Hello Shiva,
>> Well....I am absolutely stunned that this was posted by you!!
>> Ofcourse I do not know to how many people the contents of the e-mail
>> will ring true....but to me it sure sounds loud bells of
>> jubilation.....this is what I have always been smiling about.
>> At the end of the day it boils down to what one believes in......it is
>> all in the mind. You think you can be attacked....well don't think it
>> because you have by doing so allready invited an attacker in.
>But so many people get attacked before they had even heard that they could
>be attacked ?
Correct.
>So many children who know nothing about this get attacked in
>their dreams
So much so that some people wake up in the morning feeling worse than
when they went to sleep.
Others wake up feeling that they may have gone ten rounds with
Mohammed Ali. Such people usually do NOT know about psychic attack.
> and because of this they instinctively sleep with their toys -
>to protect them.
Hey ! Very "perceptive" of you. Many thanks for that comment. I hadn't
"made that connection" myself.
>So many people suffer of mystery diseases like migraines,
And are called hypochondriacs. :-(
Or make themselves walking medicine chests as they ingest pill after
pill.
>some forms of cancer, lack of vital energy, but they never think that they
>could be a result of psychic attack. What about alcoholism, hypochondria,
>all kinds of mania, fix-ideas and hundreds of other "mental" diseases that
>are so common these days ?
Most of which happen to people who don't believe in psychic attack.
Those who DO believe usually are then able to do something to reduce
these problems.
>> Izabela, I sure do hope that you will read this e-mail very carefully,
>> and consider its contents with equal attention.
>Well, I read it a few times and still there are a few things that I have to
>think about.
Yes, it was a good article that Shiva has given us. Plenty of points
covered.
>> Smiles, Lina.
Izabela Melamed
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:56 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
> >What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't he
> >supposed to watch out all the time ?
>
> Of course, but people have free will. Also, sometimes one has the
> karma to experience being attacked. Guardians are there to help
> people to progress in their spiritual lessons. Not to avoid them.
>
> >Why people get possessed or drained
> >despite the protection of their guardians ?
>
> "As one reaps, so one has sown." Being possessive of others results
> in possessiveness of oneself, by others. Draining others results in
> being drained oneself. There are of course better ways to reverse
> the karma.
Always when karma is involved in some conversation I begin feel hopeless
like entering into a loop.
If one has to learn the lesson by experiencing a possession herself, then
creating shield or any kind of psychic self protection would be senseless
anyway. Then why trying in the first place. Even the guardian will work
against it. The free will is much bigger factor here IMO - when the person
goes against the guardian, but not the guardian against the person.
> >> Let's see, dark entities have a choice to attack ;
>
> >> (A) People without defences.
>
> >> (B) People with defences.
>
> >> I wonder which they would prefer to attack ?
>
> >Maybe there are dark forces who like challenge?
>
> Certainly, but that would be an exception. Not the general "rule". Did
> you have any bullies at the school you used to attend ? Did they pick
> on people who were weak ? Or people who were strong ?
Those who picked on the weak were weak themselves. Little bad children
attack little good children. Big bad guys attack big good guys. Adult
criminals usually don't bother with children. If they are not pedophiles or
sorta. Big guys play big. Also I have noticed that the big bad things use to
form gangs around them, which gives them confidence to attack stronger guys.
This can be seen very clear in politicks, world wars, organizations like the
Mafia. There are cases of mass possessions like some religious suicidal
sects for ex. Then there is another way - sometimes when bad things begin to
happen they seem to never stop. It's like a serial of small attacks but
their frequency weakens the attacked gradually and drains them. Such are the
teasers.
> If he wants "results" then obviously the former. The latter would
> entail a considerable amount of time, energy, and skill. Another
> version of your question could be :
>
> Would he attack someone ;
>
> (A) That he was sure he could beat/control.
>
> (B) Someone who he might not succeed against and who could well
> deplete his resources.
This depends on the booty IMO. No matter how figures there are left on the
table, once you take the king - you win.
>
> >> Duh !
>
> >I think after swallowing me for appetizer he would love to sharpen his
nails
> >on your shielding.
>
> More likely thousands of "appetisers" first. Even after that he would
> probably not be in a hurry to take on someone strong.
Depends how strong are the strong and how many are the attackers IMO.
Izabela Melamed
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:32:08 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > and because of this they instinctively sleep with their toys -
> >to protect them.
>
> Hey ! Very "perceptive" of you. Many thanks for that comment. I hadn't
> "made that connection" myself.
You didn't? Even grown ups surround their beds with positive things with the
same purpose. They have forgotten their meaning long time ago, but still do
it. Religious Christians keep the bible near their heads or crosses and
icons above the head, the native americans have dream catchers, in old times
people put kilos of garlic around their beds. Other people have pictures of
their loveones, little objects that they love, I sleep with certain books
sometime.
>
> Yes, it was a good article that Shiva has given us. Plenty of points
> covered.
Yes indeed. Thanks Shiva!
Izabela Melamed
"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:32:19 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Only if I knew just a little earlier that I must not
> >reflect her poison back to her :-( :-( :-(
>
> her, and she was used to just getting her way, and not having a
> fight back, and it got to her.
> so, you were inexperienced, and reacted in the 'human' way,
> violence gets violence back...
I would tell more in an animal way...
> Say 10 Hail Marys and don't do it again... Wups, wrong
> religion...LOL
>
> seriously, you were surprised, attacked, and you reacted
> FIRST...it happens...
> now you know to NOT reflect back, yes?
No, I promise! :-(
Izabela Melamed
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:32:19 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
> >> >Note that friendly and
> >> >unfriendly ties exist on different planes,
>
> >This doesn't sound correct to me... I don't know why...
>
> I think that that was meant to say "within different planes". Does
> that make things clearer ?
Not really. Maybe they mean that they are vibrating with different
frequencies? Lower frequency for negative ties and higher frequency for
positive ties.
Izabela Melamed
"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:45:01 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >No, I promise! :-(
> everybody has made mistakes starting out, it happens...
> you learned? yes? thats what matters...
> you learned to NOT reflect it back, and you learned how easy it
> can be for another to influence someone...
Now I need to tell her how to build a shielding herself. How one begins to
talk about basic spiritual matters to somebody who is 100% materialist and
atheist ? Maybe she would like to listen but I don't know even where from to
start ? How do you begin spiritual conversations with people ?
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:ap5sot038t2sav327...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:32:08 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>> > and because of this they instinctively sleep with their toys -
>> >to protect them.
>> Hey ! Very "perceptive" of you. Many thanks for that comment. I hadn't
>> "made that connection" myself.
>You didn't?
Nope. :-(
>Even grown ups surround their beds with positive things with the
>same purpose. They have forgotten their meaning long time ago, but still do
>it.
Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you. It just hadn't occurred to me in
the "children" situation.
They also often want the *physical* light on for the same reason.
Frequently they equate it with non physical light (non necessarily
consciously). Knowing that the more *light* that they have around them
the safer they are from discordant energies/entities.
>Religious Christians keep the bible near their heads or crosses and
>icons above the head,
Yes, often the same people who criticise "New Agers" for having
talismans etc.
>the native americans have dream catchers, in old times
>people put kilos of garlic around their beds. Other people have pictures of
>their loveones, little objects that they love, I sleep with certain books
>sometime.
Yes, my students often place positive books near where they sleep. For
the added light that they bring.
< snip >
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:j63sotc1o8elmtd87...@4ax.com...
< snip >
>> "As one reaps, so one has sown." Being possessive of others results
>> in possessiveness of oneself, by others. Draining others results in
>> being drained oneself. There are of course better ways to reverse
>> the karma.
>Always when karma is involved in some conversation I begin feel hopeless
>like entering into a loop.
>If one has to learn the lesson by experiencing a possession herself, then
>creating shield or any kind of psychic self protection would be senseless
>anyway.
No, creating a shield of positive energy helps to reverse the karma of
having created negative shielding. It also reduces the possibility of
having negative experiences that one doesn't need to have.
>Then why trying in the first place. Even the guardian will work
>against it. The free will is much bigger factor here IMO - when the person
>goes against the guardian, but not the guardian against the person.
Any time that one consciously works in the light they get increased
ability to be an effective lightworker. Also, by wishing to
consciously work within one's karmic parameters one tends to
learn more, and faster.
Karma can be worsened/improved by one's attitude to the "opportunity/
opportunities" one is presented with.
< snip >
>Then there is another way - sometimes when bad things begin to
>happen they seem to never stop. It's like a serial of small attacks but
>their frequency weakens the attacked gradually and drains them. Such
>are the teasers.
Whether the person being attacked gets weaker and weaker OR
whether the attacker(s) get weaker and weaker depends on the relative
skills/knowledge/abilities of the respective parties. It is also, in
general, a "balance of power" situation.
>> If he wants "results" then obviously the former. The latter would
>> entail a considerable amount of time, energy, and skill. Another
>> version of your question could be :
>> Would he attack someone ;
>> (A) That he was sure he could beat/control.
>> (B) Someone who he might not succeed against and who could well
>> deplete his resources.
>This depends on the booty IMO. No matter how figures there are left on the
>table, once you take the king - you win.
Something that you are completely ignoring is the relative strength of
the parties involved. Taking on a "master" of darkness, or of light,
can involve "taking on" someone who may be dozens/hundreds/
thousands of times stronger than an "ordinary" person.
>> >> Duh !
>> >I think after swallowing me for appetizer he would love to sharpen his
>> >nails on your shielding.
>> More likely thousands of "appetisers" first. Even after that he would
>> probably not be in a hurry to take on someone strong.
>Depends how strong are the strong and how many are the attackers IMO.
Getting a large number of negative people to agree on what to do/
who to attack is not necessarily easy. If an army of discarnate
conscripts is used there is always the possibility that when getting
close to a force of light that many will change sides.
Grace Kennedy
Hi Izabela ,
On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:28:51 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
>news:9mo0vn$5a4$2...@63.78.119.80...
>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:45:01 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >No, I promise! :-(
>
>> everybody has made mistakes starting out, it happens...
>> you learned? yes? thats what matters...
>> you learned to NOT reflect it back, and you learned how easy it
>> can be for another to influence someone...
>
>Now I need to tell her how to build a shielding herself. How one begins to
>talk about basic spiritual matters to somebody who is 100% materialist and
>atheist ? Maybe she would like to listen but I don't know even where from to
>start ? How do you begin spiritual conversations with people ?
>
>
Bearing in mind Shivas advice, or as you say 'if she would like to
listen', then most people can relate to having someone who drains
them or who they feel worse after seeing or who gives them a headache
figuratively or literally ! or if they have worked with the public at
any time, they may readily recognise that some people have a negative
effect on them and some positive.
Another idea - pictures speak louder than words, a before & after aura
drawing, of meeting someone who is draining before having a
shield/protection and after having a shield/protection, could help
peoples understanding.
And/or suggest that a person not believe anything you say, but try it
out to prove things for themselves :-)
Grace
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
>news:9mo0vn$5a4$2...@63.78.119.80...
>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:45:01 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>> >No, I promise! :-(
>> everybody has made mistakes starting out, it happens...
>> you learned? yes? thats what matters...
>> you learned to NOT reflect it back, and you learned how easy it
>> can be for another to influence someone...
>Now I need to tell her how to build a shielding herself.
But not the way that we have been discussing it here in the last few
days. That IMO would be "overkill". Something a bit less elaborate
should do.
>How one begins to
>talk about basic spiritual matters to somebody who is 100% materialist and
>atheist ? Maybe she would like to listen but I don't know even where from to
>start ? How do you begin spiritual conversations with people ?
You "probe". In other words you try different topics to see which, if
any, the person is willing to talk about. For example, you could ask
her/them something like "Do you think that people are affected by
energy ? Do you think that there is life after physical death ? Do you
think that spirit people can help physical people ?" etc.
Richard Hobson
I would like to add some
comments of my own re shielding.This will be of more interest to those less
advanced than yourselves.
First of all, if we start with the presumption
that there is an energy or life-force that can be taken from one individual
to another, we can see that in everyday life. Most people have subconcious
strategies to take energy-we can do it by being a habitual victim(say by
talking incessantly about our problems or by encouraging bullying behaviour
to get attention) or by the more predatorial approach of actually being a
bully.
As individuals we can choose whether to give energy
or not. In `The Healing Experience` by Malcolm Southwood the author mentions
that one of the hardest things to come to terms with is a crying baby. A
true healer cannot turn away or shield himself easily, and Malcolm describes
how he found that in these cases the best approach was just to give out the
energy,it was the resistance to doing this that caused the biggest
power-drain. And often the baby would stop crying when it somehow sensed
that someone in the room was helping.
This is not to say for one moment that shielding is
unnecessary in everyday life. Indeed lack of it almost led me into suicide
on one occasion. A visitor came to my house one night briefly. He was a
spiritual teacher rooted in eastern philosophy. At that time I was unaware
of my `psychism` or extreme empathy as I would prefer to think of it.
For two days afterwards I fought back strong
suicidal thoughts, became paranoid about my relationship, and kept seeing an
unfolding blue flower in my minds eye everytime I shut my eyes. Later I
learnt this man had just been dumped and had been close to suicide. As soon
as I became aware of this the problem went....indeed it strenghtened me as
we all need a little faith in the other side at times and this was one of
those times.
The main point I would like to get over here is
that being aware that others may have access to your energy levels is a
defence in itself. Previous to this incident I had had trouble simply being
confined in a room with large groups of people-such as in a bar-but
afterwards there were no further problems. For the vast majority of people
shielding per se is unnecessary.
However, there are many hardy spiritual
individuals that walk along some dangerous paths. In these cases shielding
is vital. I have previously explored the occult, paganism, and shamanism on
a working level. Basically, what you believe and think about becomes alive
and real. Spiritual experience takes place at different levels-as a simple
guide, we can take the world-view of the shaman. The tree he climbs, or
pole, is the pathway from the underworld( roughly equivalent to our western
astral planes) to the overworld( the place of gods, spirits, guiding
ancestors). Now some souls work mainly on the lower, darker, and in this
material world, more powerful levels.
This is also the level of ``Sorcery`( I mean this as a noun, not as an
implied critiscism). Those who have got into Carlos Castaneda will realise
this. In these areas the power involved is at a deep, almost primitive
level, centered on the lower brain and energised by deep instincts-sex,
thirst, self-preservation, etc. Clearly, as with Western Magic, the risks
and threats are much greater. Not least to the individual ego. But the
rewards are correspondingly greater if the selfish desires can be subjugated
and redirected for the good. This is where the `dragon` energy lies. Mojo
rising..., Kundalini...etc. The destructive becomes creative.
When exploring these areas personally I never used
shielding and still dont. Sometimes I got into some very deep water
indeed.At these moments I would start to recite my `mission statement`......
I wish to know
In order to serve the light,
So that the divine spark may grow
within me.
.....and strangely enough, at times of greatest confusion,
there was always one part of this I found I could not remember. For
instance, if it was the 2nd part(serving the light) that was difficult to
recall, it would be obvious that my aims were contaminated by selfishness or
darker forces. And so I would become centered again.
So why my antipathy towards shielding? Well, this is only
very much a personal `revelation` and may not have the same depth to others,
but I once saw a Witch (Wiccan) being interviewed and she was asked what is
the difference between white and black magic.( To all Wiccans reading this,
yes I know this is simplistic, please bear with me). Now I have come across
and used many arguments regarding free-will, karma, etc in relation to using
elemental(for want of a better term) forces to affect reality. But this
woman summed it up in a manner that really impressed me. She said...` Black
magic is the point at which we draw our circle mainly to protect ourselves
from the consequences of our actions...`
, I would like to make it very clear that I have the
utmost respect for those who tread these dark paths.And shielding of some
kind is necessary, whatever the method of attaining some protection. When an
individual shines his light in the darkness he is highly visible to all
kinds of power-seeking entities, like moths to a lamp.Those who walk here
have one foot in the darkness and one in the light. They are the pathfinders
whom others can later follow in more safety.
But for most of us no elaborate shield is needed. Dark
forces are rarely intelligent and do not seek us out. And individuals who
become corrupted by their power soon burn out, or find many spiritual paths
blocked. They can only go so far, and that is not far enough to hurt a
stranger who does not fear them
There is a short story I will finish off with that I
have just quoted elsewhere that is highly relevant
In book called `The door marked Summer` by Michael
Bentine( of Goon fame) there is a passage relating to a seance being held by
his spiritualist parents going horribly wrong. The table is swirling around
the room and there is total chaos and panic.
At the height of this dark manifestation, a party of
schoolchildren passes the window, singing and chatting blithely.
The table crashes back down to the floor,
simple joy having the force to dissipate all this dark energy instantly.....
Richard.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
Hello Izabela,
>Now I need to tell her how to build a shielding herself. How one begins to
>talk about basic spiritual matters to somebody who is 100% materialist and
>atheist ? Maybe she would like to listen but I don't know even where from to
>start ? How do you begin spiritual conversations with people ?
Not an easy one, huh?
Many people dread talking about spiritualism from fear of being taken
for a whacko (did I spell that right?), and often also because they
consider it a part of their inner and most private self. To open this
up to another might seem like a vulnerability to some.
My guess is that you need to catch your mother in one of her most
emotional moments, when her soul is closest to her, and she is
relating more to her soul, as opposed to her logical, rational
reasoning.
Yet then again - do we have the right to change any person in their
chosen manner of experiencing their life? If she was meant to lead a
spiritual life, she will open up to it herself. If she was not, then
are we allowed to change that.......?
Perhaps a hint or two in her direction at a chosen moment.....if there
is no response......then you know where you stand. Possibility is that
she may come back to you at a later stage, after having pondered about
what you said. Chances are that the discussion is never raised again.
It's her life, her choice, her destiny and her path.........it is our
lesson to accept that.
Lina.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
Hello Izabela,
>
<snip>
>Why nobody mentions here the role of the spirit guardian when talking about
>spirit protection ? What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't he
>supposed to watch out all the time ? Why people get possessed or drained
>despite the protection of their guardians ?
There are those who believe that our spirit guides will not let
through anything that could harm us in any way. If this is so...then a
bunch of other viewpoints no longer make sense. If there are evil
spirits in the spirit world, then why is our Spirit guide letting them
get to us? To sit there and have a laugh watching us suffer?
Conclusion is that there are no evil spirits in the spirit world. Only
in our thoughts. Some believe in Karma, etc........(I can hear some
people in this ng in an absolute uproar. lol)
Ok, next item: Why does our Spirit Guide let through evil spirits that
roam the earthly plane? Simply because we are on this earthly plane
with our freedom of choice. It is this freedom of choice spirit cannot
interfere with. Conclusion - there are evil spirits on the earthly
plane, in the form of humans.
All the above is put very concisely...., am not in the mood for
elaboration tonight :-)
But what is evil and what is good...if some of us claim there is no
such thing as right or wrong? Is this perception, merely perception?
Lina.
>
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:56 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
Hello Shiva :-)
<snip>
>>Why nobody mentions here the role of the spirit guardian when talking about
>>spirit protection ? What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't he
>>supposed to watch out all the time ? Why people get possessed or drained
>>despite the protection of their guardians ?
>
>now you got the crux of a problem... does EVERYONE have a
>guardian?
According to the most popular belief, I would vote that the majority
would say yes. In a previous post many months ago I raised the same
question..... the overwhelming response was that everyone did indeed
have a guide - irrespective of whether they were aware of it or not.
Old souls and young souls alike, but in proportion.
>do they KNOW they got a guardian? do they KNOW they are being
>attacked?
People not spiritually aware would not know they are being attacked -
or at least they would not see it from that angle. Instead they would
run to a medical doctor for treatment. Meaning, that they feel the
effects of the attack, but just believe it is of physical origin..
>lets take a survey... GENERAL humanity... take 1,000 people...
> ON AVERAGE, how many of that generic 1,000 has ANY inkling of
>there is something spiritual, that can be talked with, and
>assistance gotten from, guidance, and guarding? (ignoring the
>christian dogma here, BTW)
If we all do have a spirit guide, then one does not necessarily need
to be aware of such to still receive that guidance. The guidance will
manifest itself in an unrecognised manner, or be attributed to
alternative origins....but still be there.
>as you work down the list above, that number decreases to where I
>would bet if it was 5 in a thousand it would be a miracle.
> so, that leaves 995 blind folks (example only)
> Personally I don't think its the guides problem to 100% protect
>them WITHOUT them asking for it. thats interference...
>there COULD BE an exception made, when the individual is in a
>temporary state of blindness, and is VERY necessary for some
>event/action, etc at some future date/time where they would be
>awakened to such things, and then be allowed to do whatever.
Well, I would like to think that a guide would not intervere, if it is
so that the individual in most likely circumstances can fend for
himself. Assistance would be forthcoming if explicitely asked for, or
if the situation is totally beyond the control, or the choice of the
individual.
<snip>
Lina.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:j63sotc1o8elmtd87...@4ax.com...
Hello Izabela,
<snip>
>> "As one reaps, so one has sown." Being possessive of others results
>> in possessiveness of oneself, by others. Draining others results in
>> being drained oneself. There are of course better ways to reverse
>> the karma.
>
>Always when karma is involved in some conversation I begin feel hopeless
>like entering into a loop.
Ahhh, I so do know what you are saying. It is as though Karma rules
out any possibility of another option. All discussion ends when Karma
enters the room :-( It appears to me to be a quick fix answer to
any question that eludes comprehension.
>If one has to learn the lesson by experiencing a possession herself, then
>creating shield or any kind of psychic self protection would be senseless
>anyway. Then why trying in the first place. Even the guardian will work
>against it. The free will is much bigger factor here IMO - when the person
>goes against the guardian, but not the guardian against the person.
The free will.......yes! And what is this but a mindset?
To me the mind is the strongest element in forming an outcome of any
situation.... also in the spiritual aspect !
<snip>
Lina.
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:36 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello Shiva,
>>Well....I am absolutely stunned that this was posted by you!!
>
>why? if the person need to learn how to shield, I will assist
>them if I can. sometimes I have to assist them so I don't bother
>them-that has happened on 4 occasions that I know of now.
I was stunned, not for the "why" of what you posted....but the
"contents" of what you posted. I had figured you with an entirely
different approach to these matters :-)
>
>and trivia, I get attacked because of what I am.
True.....one attracts that which one believes in.
>I also keep a shield in place to keep you from getting hurt.
This is extremely considerate and compassionate of you.
Yet......can you hurt me? Only if I choose for you to do so :-)
>there are several reasons for having a shield in place, I just
>happen to cover the latter ones...
Yes, this is more like the Shiva I have gotten to know :-)
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:36 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>Hi Lina,
>
>< snip >
>
>>At the end of the day it boils down to what one believes in......
>
>No, that isn't the case at all. Are you saying that if you don't
>believe in psychic attack then you will not be psychically attacked ?
There is a fine line here........
If one believes in the possibility of something nasty ocurring.....can
one simultaneously be devoid of all fear of it? I can hear some
people jumping up and saying; "Yes, of course" And on the surface of
things, I too would be quick to say that one does not need to fear
something in order for it to be possible. Yet.....the knowledge alone
of the possibility, which is the believe in it's existence does create
a vulnerability. The acknowledgement of something is simultaneously
also an apprehension (expectation) of it.
>I hope not. Plenty of people who don't believe in psychic attack get
>psychically attacked !
>
>The delusion that there is no such thing as psychic attack does not
>stop people from being adversely affected by attackers. Many people
>get very physically sick and/or are in severe pain as a result of
>psychic attack. Brought on by the wearing down of the victim's aura.
OK...psychic attack has become a very very broad term. What do we
classify as psychic attack? Who and What can psychic attacks be
manifested by?
<snip>
>
>Not only can psychic attack lead to sickness and/or pain but it can
>affect one's moods, one's relationships etc. etc. A competent psychic
>attacker can also kill people if he/she wants to bother.
Yes, I tend to agree with this possibility, happens on a daily
basis.....on the asumption that the psychic attacker is an incarnate.
But then freedom of choice comes into the picture again...."One cannot
be hurt by another if one knows one is master of one's own thoughts"
Lina.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
Hello Izabela,
<snip>
>But so many people get attacked before they had even heard that they could
>be attacked ? So many children who know nothing about this get attacked in
>their dreams and because of this they instinctively sleep with their toys -
>to protect them. So many people suffer of mystery diseases like migraines,
>some forms of cancer, lack of vital energy, but they never think that they
>could be a result of psychic attack. What about alcoholism, hypochondria,
>all kinds of mania, fix-ideas and hundreds of other "mental" diseases that
>are so common these days ?
Ofcourse....and I agree with you :-)
BUT.......people get attacked without even knowing of the possibility
of it. This is purely because they send out negative energies in the
form of fear (over something or other), or they are just so plain
negative (angry, antagonistic) over many things, or sad or depressed,
etc....whilst they are in this condition, they emit negative energy.
The saying "like attracts like" or "you sow what you reap".......that
negative energy is going to come back to them, often doublefold....and
it does. This is why people get attacked, who have no knowledge of
what attack is.
This applies to alcoholism, mental diseases, etc, etc.
People make themselves sick by feeling negative over certain things in
their life. Worry, stress..., you name it, invites illness to the
body. Or in other words.....it invites psychic attack.
When it comes to children.......if they instinctively sleep with their
toys to protect them......then are you not already saying that they
are fearfull or insecure about something, by using the word "protect"
This insecurity, fear is not positive energy, but negative
energy....hence the comeback of negative energy in the guise of an
attack. Children are very vulnerable to these kind of things.
Lina.
Izabela Melamed
"Grace Kennedy" <grac...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
news:1md3ptc04d19ou791...@4ax.com...
>
> Hi Izabela ,
Hi Grace, It's great to see you here :-D
> >Now I need to tell her how to build a shielding herself. How one begins
to
> >talk about basic spiritual matters to somebody who is 100% materialist
and
> >atheist ? Maybe she would like to listen but I don't know even where from
to
> >start ? How do you begin spiritual conversations with people ?
> >
> >
> Bearing in mind Shivas advice, or as you say 'if she would like to
> listen', then most people can relate to having someone who drains
> them or who they feel worse after seeing or who gives them a headache
> figuratively or literally ! or if they have worked with the public at
> any time, they may readily recognise that some people have a negative
> effect on them and some positive.
There are a lot of people I know, who are classical drainers. But at the
same time to be donors for others. To be entirely honest I have observed the
same about myself - I can act to someone as a donor, BUT to be a real
vampire for somebody else. This is a little strange IMO.
> Another idea - pictures speak louder than words, a before & after aura
> drawing, of meeting someone who is draining before having a
> shield/protection and after having a shield/protection, could help
> peoples understanding.
Do you have some idea where I can find such pictures. Maybe somewhere on the
net?
>
> And/or suggest that a person not believe anything you say, but try it
> out to prove things for themselves :-)
Well, this story with my mother has some continuation. I didn't expect that
the things can get so complicated. I believe you had read the story of me
sending back to her her negative energy and literally poisoning her that
way. After the infusions she felt much better and seemed like everything was
okay. But then I decided to "enlighten" her and told her all about cleansing
and shielding that I read in the Shiva's post. For my very big surprise she
listened to me with the biggest eyes ever.
And probably I screwed up for second time. That very night she meditated for
first time creating a similar to mine pyramid of light. But the same poison
came back to her with a double strength. I have never seen her this way. It
looked to me like she was getting crazy. I had to move to her house and to
sleep in her room. This was a nightmare night for both. She was overloaded
by negative thoughts about death, walking around like a somnambulist, every
half an hour her body was in a heavy tremor. She couldn't sleep for a
second, but she had terrible hallucinations of repeating patterns
symbolizing her life and death.
But what mostly scared me were her words late in the night "I feel like
there is something inside of me. Something that is alien to me. Something
like a wild animal. It is not me, but separate of me." After our last
conversations here about possessions etc. you can imagine what I could think
about. And you can imagine what amount of love, light and prayers I
bombarded her and all the space around her during all the night.
Her other words later were "All these is because of the light meditations
you told me." Another strange thing occurred the same night, that I have
never seen before and scared me badly. Sometime during the sleepless night
she jumped out of the bed again to walk all around the house. When she left
the room I clearly saw her own ghost remaining in the room after her. It
looked like she split in two.
The next morning of course we looked for the physician and of course they
gave her some drugs. Now she is calm, happy, sleepy and drugged all the
time. And I feel like all this was only a bad dream. I still cannot believe
what happened. I think I did something very, very wrong massing around with
energies that I know nothing about them. Probably would be better I never
know :-(
Ahhh, Grace, I really shouldn't welcome you here with such a fountain of
personal problems, but I feel like this time I am not dealing only with
theory.
John Fitzsimons
>On 29 Aug 2001 02:21:00 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>(--Shiva--) wrote:
>>On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:36 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>>>Well....I am absolutely stunned that this was posted by you!!
>>why? if the person need to learn how to shield, I will assist
>>them if I can. sometimes I have to assist them so I don't bother
>>them-that has happened on 4 occasions that I know of now.
>I was stunned, not for the "why" of what you posted....but the
>"contents" of what you posted. I had figured you with an entirely
>different approach to these matters :-)
When someone prays for help, in psychic attack situations,
sometimes the help comes from people who are themselves
physical.
>>and trivia, I get attacked because of what I am.
>True.....one attracts that which one believes in.
I think you have misunderstood what Shiva was saying. Whether he
"believes" in psychic attack, or not, doesn't stop someone attacking
him. Ignorance doesn't stop attackers. It simply makes their job
easier. Someone who imagines that psychic attack is a fiction will
not properly defend themselves.
My understanding of what Shiva is saying is that he is being attacked
because he is a lightworker. Someone who is an actual, or potential,
problem for the negative forces.
>>I also keep a shield in place to keep you from getting hurt.
>This is extremely considerate and compassionate of you.
>Yet......can you hurt me?
A better question perhaps would be "Would he want to hurt you ?" If
Shiva is a lightworker then the answer would of course be "no". Even
that carpenter guy with the initials J.C. didn't harm anyone who got
very close to him.
One should bear in mind who we are talking to here. A writer. Writers
are well known for exaggerating, and/or dramatising, things.
Particularly this particular writer. :-)
Of course, maybe he actually thinks he is a Hindu God ? Coming here to
destroy everything ? Maybe we do need to be careful ? < he he >
Of course it *could* be that Shiva does actually harm people, but one
would hope not. Perhaps he is identifying with Atlantian, and other,
times where anyone getting close to him ended up regretting it ?
>Only if I choose for you to do so :-)
Well, if he wants to harm you then whether you get hurt depends more
on your comparative strengths. Just like a competion/conflict in the
physical world.
< snip >
Regards, John.
P.S. If you ever wonder over my way (non physically) Lina you do NOT
have to worry about yourself getting hurt. In fact quite the opposite.
I would hope that the light in my aura would be of benefit to you.
You won't get any threats/warnings from me. :-)
John Fitzsimons
>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:32:08 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>But so many people get attacked before they had even heard that they could
>>be attacked ? So many children who know nothing about this get attacked in
>>their dreams and because of this they instinctively sleep with their toys -
>>to protect them. So many people suffer of mystery diseases like migraines,
>>some forms of cancer, lack of vital energy, but they never think that they
>>could be a result of psychic attack. What about alcoholism, hypochondria,
>>all kinds of mania, fix-ideas and hundreds of other "mental" diseases that
>>are so common these days ?
>Ofcourse....and I agree with you :-)
>BUT.......people get attacked without even knowing of the possibility
>of it. This is purely because they send out negative energies in the
>form of fear (over something or other), or they are just so plain
This however ignores the situation where people who are not fearful
come under attack. It reminds me of a white guy who I spoke to during
a spirit rescue. He was somewhat annoyed about being dead. Apparently
he didn't believe in magic (lack of fear) and had thought it was
rubbish that a witch doctor, who had him in his sights, could harm
him. The magic in fact led to him dying. He wasn't laughing any more.
>negative (angry, antagonistic) over many things, or sad or depressed,
>etc....whilst they are in this condition, they emit negative energy.
>The saying "like attracts like" or "you sow what you reap".......that
>negative energy is going to come back to them, often doublefold....and
>it does. This is why people get attacked, who have no knowledge of
>what attack is.
No, those are "some of" the reasons why people have psychic attack
situations and/or why existing situations can get worse.
>This applies to alcoholism, mental diseases, etc, etc.
>People make themselves sick by feeling negative over certain things in
>their life. Worry, stress..., you name it, invites illness to the
>body. Or in other words.....it invites psychic attack.
Ignoring the fact that many perfectly healthy people have their
mental/emotional/physical levels go downhill. Sometimes rapidly. If on
the receiving end of intense attack.
>When it comes to children.......if they instinctively sleep with their
>toys to protect them......then are you not already saying that they
>are fearfull or insecure about something, by using the word "protect"
>This insecurity, fear is not positive energy, but negative
>energy....hence the comeback of negative energy in the guise of an
>attack. Children are very vulnerable to these kind of things.
Children are very psychically perceptive. Many children think that
they are under attack because.......they are under attack ! The
parents often make things considerably worse by telling them that
it is just their imagination. :-(
Teaching them to create counter (positive) energies would be far
more sensible.
Regards, John.
John Fitzsimons
>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:35:49 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>>On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:36 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hi Lina,
>>< snip >
>>>At the end of the day it boils down to what one believes in......
>>No, that isn't the case at all. Are you saying that if you don't
>>believe in psychic attack then you will not be psychically attacked ?
>There is a fine line here........
>If one believes in the possibility of something nasty ocurring.....can
>one simultaneously be devoid of all fear of it? I can hear some
>people jumping up and saying; "Yes, of course" And on the surface of
>things, I too would be quick to say that one does not need to fear
>something in order for it to be possible.
Then we agree on something. :-)
One does not need to fear psychic attack for it to be possible.
>Yet.....the knowledge alone
>of the possibility, which is the believe in it's existence does create
>a vulnerability.
I disagree. People who don't know about psychic attack and/or who
don't fear it are also vulnerable to the negative effects that can
result.
>The acknowledgement of something is simultaneously
>also an apprehension (expectation) of it.
I disagree. If a woman acknowledges that in certain circumstances
she could get herself raped it doesn't follow that she expects it to
happen. Only that she considers it a possibility.
Many people who don't "expect" something negative to happen to them
still have negative experiences.
Lack of acknowledgement of "dangers" is a pretty foolhardy approach
IMO. The saying "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" is a fairly
valid one.
>>I hope not. Plenty of people who don't believe in psychic attack get
>>psychically attacked !
>>The delusion that there is no such thing as psychic attack does not
>>stop people from being adversely affected by attackers. Many people
>>get very physically sick and/or are in severe pain as a result of
>>psychic attack. Brought on by the wearing down of the victim's aura.
>OK...psychic attack has become a very very broad term. What do we
>classify as psychic attack?
Adverse affects/attack on psychic levels.
>Who and What can psychic attacks be
>manifested by?
><snip>
Anyone physically alive and anyone physically dead.
>>Not only can psychic attack lead to sickness and/or pain but it can
>>affect one's moods, one's relationships etc. etc. A competent psychic
>>attacker can also kill people if he/she wants to bother.
>Yes, I tend to agree with this possibility, happens on a daily
>basis.....on the asumption that the psychic attacker is an incarnate.
Why incarnate ? Incarnate attackers will often request help from
discarnate attackers. Most attack situations involve both.
>But then freedom of choice comes into the picture again...."One cannot
>be hurt by another if one knows one is master of one's own thoughts"
>Lina.
You can be physically hurt by another. Or are you going to suggest
that you are physically stronger than every male that you have
met/will meet ?
As you can be hurt in the physical so too can you be hurt in the non
physical.
You are only master of your own thoughts as long as the
energy/entities that oppose you are not, in effect, able to
match/better your mental strength.
John Fitzsimons
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:44:45 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:j63sotc1o8elmtd87...@4ax.com...
>>> "As one reaps, so one has sown." Being possessive of others results
>>> in possessiveness of oneself, by others. Draining others results in
>>> being drained oneself. There are of course better ways to reverse
>>> the karma.
>>Always when karma is involved in some conversation I begin feel hopeless
>>like entering into a loop.
>Ahhh, I so do know what you are saying. It is as though Karma rules
>out any possibility of another option.
That however isn't so. One can reverse most negative actions by
positive ones. Those who have created misery/pain for others can help
create joy/healing for them for example. Most people however aren't
interested in helping others so they themselves make their own future.
>All discussion ends when Karma
>enters the room :-( It appears to me to be a quick fix answer to
>any question that eludes comprehension.
Karma helps to increase comprehension. When one seriously asks the
question "Why am I having this experience ?" They can find out which
"lessons" they are having difficulty learning. They can then choose to
do something about it. If they wish.
>>If one has to learn the lesson by experiencing a possession herself, then
>>creating shield or any kind of psychic self protection would be senseless
>>anyway. Then why trying in the first place. Even the guardian will work
>>against it. The free will is much bigger factor here IMO - when the person
>>goes against the guardian, but not the guardian against the person.
>The free will.......yes! And what is this but a mindset?
Well, even one's mindset is often the result of karma. Many people
for example fear that certain things will happen in their life. For
example, that their partner will desert them. This is often a
subconscious awareness that this in fact is going to happen.
As a result of oneself being unfaithful in an earlier time.
>To me the mind is the strongest element in forming an outcome of any
>situation.... also in the spiritual aspect !
Well, a positive attitude is certainly a handy thing to have. In the
real world however many positive thinkers have eg. their business/
personal lives collapse. While others with a less positive attitude
often seem to unexpectedly "land on their feet".
John Fitzsimons
>On 30 Aug 2001 02:20:25 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>(--Shiva--) wrote:
>>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:56 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>now you got the crux of a problem... does EVERYONE have a
>>guardian?
>According to the most popular belief, I would vote that the majority
>would say yes. In a previous post many months ago I raised the same
>question..... the overwhelming response was that everyone did indeed
>have a guide - irrespective of whether they were aware of it or not.
>Old souls and young souls alike, but in proportion.
Going by the number of people who see spirit guides around people,
who don't know that they have them, I think that that is a fairly safe
assumption. :-)
>>do they KNOW they got a guardian? do they KNOW they are being
>>attacked?
>People not spiritually aware would not know they are being attacked -
>or at least they would not see it from that angle. Instead they would
>run to a medical doctor for treatment. Meaning, that they feel the
>effects of the attack, but just believe it is of physical origin..
Well, even psychically aware people don't necessarily understand that
they are under psychic attack. Those that do often don't know how it
works and/or what, if anything, they can do about it.
>>lets take a survey... GENERAL humanity... take 1,000 people...
>> ON AVERAGE, how many of that generic 1,000 has ANY inkling of
>>there is something spiritual, that can be talked with, and
>>assistance gotten from, guidance, and guarding? (ignoring the
>>christian dogma here, BTW)
>If we all do have a spirit guide, then one does not necessarily need
>to be aware of such to still receive that guidance.
Yep.
>The guidance will
>manifest itself in an unrecognised manner, or be attributed to
>alternative origins....but still be there.
Certainly. Many people put such things down to "intuition", "luck",
a "hunch" etc.
>>as you work down the list above, that number decreases to where I
>>would bet if it was 5 in a thousand it would be a miracle.
>> so, that leaves 995 blind folks (example only)
>> Personally I don't think its the guides problem to 100% protect
>>them WITHOUT them asking for it. thats interference...
>>there COULD BE an exception made, when the individual is in a
>>temporary state of blindness, and is VERY necessary for some
>>event/action, etc at some future date/time where they would be
>>awakened to such things, and then be allowed to do whatever.
>Well, I would like to think that a guide would not intervere, if it is
>so that the individual in most likely circumstances can fend for
>himself. Assistance would be forthcoming if explicitely asked for, or
>if the situation is totally beyond the control, or the choice of the
>individual.
People do get in situations that are overwhelming for them (beyond
their control). That doesn't mean that a guide will interfere. What
dictates what happens is what is for the "highest spiritual good" of
the person(s) involved. Some people *need* to be overwhelmed as
a consequence of having overwhelmed others at some other time.
John Fitzsimons
>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:56 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>Why nobody mentions here the role of the spirit guardian when talking about
>>spirit protection ? What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't he
>>supposed to watch out all the time ? Why people get possessed or drained
>>despite the protection of their guardians ?
>There are those who believe that our spirit guides will not let
>through anything that could harm us in any way.
Possibly. Though that would seem pretty illogical to me. If one's
guides allow negative physical experiences to happen to us it makes
no sense that they would act differently non physically, and stop
negative non physical experiences.
>If this is so...then a
>bunch of other viewpoints no longer make sense. If there are evil
>spirits in the spirit world, then why is our Spirit guide letting them
>get to us?
Good question. One that only gets a sensible answer by including
that 'k" word.
>To sit there and have a laugh watching us suffer?
Nobody representing the forces of God would be laughing at people
suffering. Physically or non physically. In fact the opposite. It can
be in very distressing for a spirit to know that they may be able to
help someone but also to be aware that they aren't allowed to.
>Conclusion is that there are no evil spirits in the spirit world.
Well, that's a pretty strange notion. There are certainly plenty of
negative spirits in physical form. Obviously sooner or later they take
on full time spirit form.
>Only
>in our thoughts. Some believe in Karma, etc........(I can hear some
>people in this ng in an absolute uproar. lol)
>Ok, next item: Why does our Spirit Guide let through evil spirits that
>roam the earthly plane? Simply because we are on this earthly plane
>with our freedom of choice. It is this freedom of choice spirit cannot
>interfere with. Conclusion - there are evil spirits on the earthly
>plane, in the form of humans.
Most certainly. Many of these people also go OOB and cause others
problems. Even before they discard their physical container.
>All the above is put very concisely...., am not in the mood for
>elaboration tonight :-)
>But what is evil and what is good...if some of us claim there is no
>such thing as right or wrong? Is this perception, merely perception?
>Lina.
Well, I think that terms such as "evil" or "good" are handy ways of
describing experiences. From the spiritual growth viewpoint even
negative experiences can be a help on one's spiritual journey. So
in that sense something negative is a positive thing. :-)
The downside of such terms however is where people think of
themselves as "victims". Totally ignoring any karmic considerations.
Such an idea is dis empowering and likely to prolong lessons, as
opposed to completing them more quickly.
Seeing oneself as a "victim" can also result in one doing negative
things oneself. Thereby adding more negative karma to the equation.
Grace Kennedy
:-) I was thinking of just drawing them. Nothing elaborate. I dont
know any on the internet but there are excellent pictures in Barbara
Ann Brennans book 'Hands of Light' (ISBN 0-553-34539-7). This doesnt
show exactly what I was suggesting but does show auras in various
states, damaged auras, auras of 'drainers' (showing suckers or hooks
coming out), auras with emotional energy blocks etc etc.
>>
>> And/or suggest that a person not believe anything you say, but try it
>> out to prove things for themselves :-)
>
>Well, this story with my mother has some continuation. I didn't expect that
>the things can get so complicated. I believe you had read the story of me
>sending back to her her negative energy and literally poisoning her that
>way. After the infusions she felt much better and seemed like everything was
>okay. But then I decided to "enlighten" her and told her all about cleansing
>and shielding that I read in the Shiva's post. For my very big surprise she
>listened to me with the biggest eyes ever.
I'm thinking here that even though it 'seemed like everything was ok'
maybe it was not, but the problem (spirits ?) was lying low and maybe
a spirit influence could explain why she listened when you didnt
expect that to happen.
>
>And probably I screwed up for second time. That very night she meditated for
>first time creating a similar to mine pyramid of light. But the same poison
>came back to her with a double strength. I have never seen her this way. It
>looked to me like she was getting crazy. I had to move to her house and to
>sleep in her room. This was a nightmare night for both. She was overloaded
>by negative thoughts about death, walking around like a somnambulist, every
>half an hour her body was in a heavy tremor. She couldn't sleep for a
>second, but she had terrible hallucinations of repeating patterns
>symbolizing her life and death.
>
>But what mostly scared me were her words late in the night "I feel like
>there is something inside of me. Something that is alien to me. Something
>like a wild animal. It is not me, but separate of me." After our last
>conversations here about possessions etc. you can imagine what I could think
>about. And you can imagine what amount of love, light and prayers I
>bombarded her and all the space around her during all the night.
>
>Her other words later were "All these is because of the light meditations
>you told me."
This is probably exactly what the people/spirits causing the problems
want your mother (and you ?) to conclude.
While often the case is, that the light has made negative spirits lose
some of their power and the strong reaction is an attempt to gain back
control over the situation, to frighten people back into submission.
The last thing negative spirits would want is to have people sending
light etc. because it weakens their power.
In general, guidance from positive spirit guides is also important in
approaching these topics with people. It can be best to put aside what
the mind thinks and to ask or say to the positive spirit guides 'guide
me to say what this person needs to know now for their highest
spiritual good'.
Sometimes it can be a lot, a little or nothing at all, because a
person may need to make discoveries for themselves or may not have the
karma to have the information.
(The same request might have a different answer a week, a month or a
year later, if their situation or progress has changed.)
I wanted to mention this in case it might be useful in the future, not
to cause any agonising over whether something you did
caused these things to happen. It can be especially difficult in the
midst of a situation to know all the whys, wherefores & reasons of how
the chain of events was set in motion and often its better to focus on
creating positive thoughts and energy in any way possible, as this
will be much more helpful in recovering from the situation in any
case.
If you can at all, postpone 'worrying' for later :-)
Your guides will most likely help you to work out what you need to
know.
>Another strange thing occurred the same night, that I have
>never seen before and scared me badly. Sometime during the sleepless night
>she jumped out of the bed again to walk all around the house. When she left
>the room I clearly saw her own ghost remaining in the room after her. It
>looked like she split in two.
>
>The next morning of course we looked for the physician and of course they
>gave her some drugs. Now she is calm, happy, sleepy and drugged all the
>time. And I feel like all this was only a bad dream. I still cannot believe
>what happened. I think I did something very, very wrong massing around with
>energies that I know nothing about them. Probably would be better I never
>know :-(
I dont see that you were messing around. Only that, unfortunately for
you both, for some reason, perhaps a karmic reason, the negative
forces outweighed the positive at that point in time.
>
>Ahhh, Grace, I really shouldn't welcome you here with such a fountain of
>personal problems, but I feel like this time I am not dealing only with
>theory.
I'm impressed that you think of others now :-)
I've had some experience which were 'not only theory' and which I
would not choose to repeat, but in time one of the major the lessons
from this was to show how much more strength and light was needed to
prevent and/or handle better the same situations again.
wishing you the light,strength and answers you need right now
Grace
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:28:38 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello John,
>>There are those who believe that our spirit guides will not let
>>through anything that could harm us in any way.
>
>Possibly. Though that would seem pretty illogical to me. If one's
>guides allow negative physical experiences to happen to us it makes
>no sense that they would act differently non physically, and stop
>negative non physical experiences.
But then are non physical experiences not mostly because of our own
free will. Meaning a certain mindset, current lifetime karma, and even
abuse (drugs, medicines, etc) of our own physical.
If a man driving his car in the fast lane, at night, suddenly decides
to pull over into a slower lane in order to change the tape in his
radio, as he is now tired of listening to the same songs over and over
again. - suddenly realises that he did so in the nick of time, for
there was a vehicle broken down in the fast lane ahead, with no
lights! He would have collided head on with this car had he not
decided to change the music!
He has no explanation for it, other than saying "My time was not up
yet"......some people could claim this was his spirit guide looking
out for him. Yet others would say it was his guardian angel.........
>
>>If this is so...then a
>>bunch of other viewpoints no longer make sense. If there are evil
>>spirits in the spirit world, then why is our Spirit guide letting them
>>get to us?
>
>Good question. One that only gets a sensible answer by including
>that 'k" word.
*smiles @ "k" word*
>
>>To sit there and have a laugh watching us suffer?
>
>Nobody representing the forces of God would be laughing at people
>suffering. Physically or non physically. In fact the opposite. It can
>be in very distressing for a spirit to know that they may be able to
>help someone but also to be aware that they aren't allowed to.
Yea, I was just being ironic --- and enticing a response :-)
I know that Spirit loves us explicitely and does not like to see us
suffer :-)
>
>>Conclusion is that there are no evil spirits in the spirit world.
>
>Well, that's a pretty strange notion. There are certainly plenty of
>negative spirits in physical form. Obviously sooner or later they take
>on full time spirit form.
Yep, plenty of negative spirits in physical form, I agree. But then I
also believe that once the soul has gone to the spirit world, a
transformation takes place, and the negativity is anihilated. (to put
it bluntly). This occurs because the earthly emotion and ego no
longer are attached to this spirit - the baggage falls off so to
speak. To me the greatest love in existance - the purest form of
existence itself, is that which takes place in the spirit
world....and thus there is no place for any negativity, nor evil.
Another may think differently :-)
<snip>
>>But what is evil and what is good...if some of us claim there is no
>>such thing as right or wrong? Is this perception, merely perception?
>Well, I think that terms such as "evil" or "good" are handy ways of
>describing experiences. From the spiritual growth viewpoint even
>negative experiences can be a help on one's spiritual journey. So
>in that sense something negative is a positive thing. :-)
Very nicely put :-)
>
>The downside of such terms however is where people think of
>themselves as "victims". Totally ignoring any karmic considerations.
>Such an idea is dis empowering and likely to prolong lessons, as
>opposed to completing them more quickly.
>
>Seeing oneself as a "victim" can also result in one doing negative
>things oneself. Thereby adding more negative karma to the equation.
May I rephrase what you have said into: "Victim of the self".
Have you noticed how these "victims" are the ones who on one level or
another just cannot and will not be healed? One can try to assist for
many years, to no avail......it is as though this person simply enjoys
being a victim...yet laments continuously over his/ her own suffering.
Often I wonder what the little "miracle" is that would bounce them
from their own vicious circle.........if I could just find that
miracle solution ......you any ideas?
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:39 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello John,
<snip>
>>All discussion ends when Karma
>>enters the room :-( It appears to me to be a quick fix answer to
>>any question that eludes comprehension.
>
>Karma helps to increase comprehension. When one seriously asks the
>question "Why am I having this experience ?" They can find out which
>"lessons" they are having difficulty learning. They can then choose to
>do something about it. If they wish.
Actually I agree completely with what you say here. But then are you
not talking of us people here in our current incarnation....and how we
ourselves create our own destiny - in this lifetime.
But when it comes to karma from a previous lifetime....that is the
angle I am so struggling with. Because I feel the results of ones
thoughts and actions is such a conscious manifestation.....The
conscious we have in this lifetime is not that which we had in a
previous life....so I just feel that our present conscious cannot be
held responsable for a conscious (which now eludes us) from a
previous life.
<snip>
>>The free will.......yes! And what is this but a mindset?
>
>Well, even one's mindset is often the result of karma. Many people
>for example fear that certain things will happen in their life. For
>example, that their partner will desert them. This is often a
>subconscious awareness that this in fact is going to happen.
>As a result of oneself being unfaithful in an earlier time.
See above :-)
Lina
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:52 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>>On 29 Aug 2001 02:21:00 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>>(--Shiva--) wrote:
Hello John,
<snip>
>>>and trivia, I get attacked because of what I am.
>
>>True.....one attracts that which one believes in.
>
>I think you have misunderstood what Shiva was saying. Whether he
>"believes" in psychic attack, or not, doesn't stop someone attacking
>him. Ignorance doesn't stop attackers. It simply makes their job
>easier. Someone who imagines that psychic attack is a fiction will
>not properly defend themselves.
I see what you are saying......indeed, I translated Shiva's words out
of context of what he meant.
Ignorance on the matter is a different concept to not believing in the
matter.
But does that defence not automatically come from how one places one's
attitude against it? If one does not believe in psychic attack, but
understands the concept of it according to the belief of others, is as
good as a shield of protection. Purely because one does not open
oneself to possible attacks...one simultaneously creates that energy
which will keep the attack at bay. By thinking one automatically
creates shields of energy.
>My understanding of what Shiva is saying is that he is being attacked
>because he is a lightworker. Someone who is an actual, or potential,
>problem for the negative forces.
Yes...I have heard people claim that a lightworker becomes an
attraction for negative forces....almost like a candle attracting a
moth.
<snip>
>One should bear in mind who we are talking to here. A writer. Writers
>are well known for exaggerating, and/or dramatising, things.
>Particularly this particular writer. :-)
So I have noticed....and have gotten used to :-)) In all his
elaborations I still find myself mistaking his intent between the
lines.
>
>Of course, maybe he actually thinks he is a Hindu God ? Coming here to
>destroy everything ? Maybe we do need to be careful ? < he he >
Bah, no....Shiva is a precious one !
But you know how right you are....many negative forces home in with an
approach of being goodie two shoes, until they have you hooked line
and sinker......then the chairs start dancing!
>
>Of course it *could* be that Shiva does actually harm people, but one
>would hope not. Perhaps he is identifying with Atlantian, and other,
>times where anyone getting close to him ended up regretting it ?
Well.....as the man said himself.......approach him with a fight, and
you'll get a dandy one back!
At the end of the day we all harm another to some length......with or
without intent.....that is life. Happens to the best of us.
>< snip >
>
>Regards, John.
>
>P.S. If you ever wonder over my way (non physically) Lina you do NOT
>have to worry about yourself getting hurt. In fact quite the opposite.
>I would hope that the light in my aura would be of benefit to you.
>
>You won't get any threats/warnings from me. :-)
This is so sweet of you to add :-)) Thank You :-))
I would not be part of this ng, if I felt threatened by anyone in it.
The regulars here are all very very individual in their ways.....but
have one common denominator : LIGHT
Where it concerns you, John......from the word go, I have regarded you
as one wanting to help another. In my eyes this is the ultimate
expression of Light and Love.
Lina.
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:42 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
Hello Shiva,
>>>>and trivia, I get attacked because of what I am.
>>
>>>True.....one attracts that which one believes in.
>>
>>I think you have misunderstood what Shiva was saying. Whether he
>>"believes" in psychic attack, or not, doesn't stop someone attacking
>>him. Ignorance doesn't stop attackers. It simply makes their job
>>easier. Someone who imagines that psychic attack is a fiction will
>>not properly defend themselves.
>>
>>My understanding of what Shiva is saying is that he is being attacked
>>because he is a lightworker. Someone who is an actual, or potential,
>>problem for the negative forces.
>
>correct....
Sorry for misunderstanding you Shiva.
Some day I shall get the hang of how you relay your thoughts :-)
>
>
>>One should bear in mind who we are talking to here. A writer. Writers
>>are well known for exaggerating, and/or dramatising, things.
>>Particularly this particular writer. :-)
>
>>Of course it *could* be that Shiva does actually harm people, but one
>>would hope not. Perhaps he is identifying with Atlantian, and other,
>>times where anyone getting close to him ended up regretting it ?
>nope...
hmmmm........just a simple "nope" ?
Just teasing. Suppose a lengthy defence in contradiction would rise
the saying "me seems he protests too much....."
Clever you!
>see below...she was a person needing a little assistance, some
>time back...
>
>Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Eileen <down2ear...@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Thanx
>To: Shiva <shiv...@pcis.net>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I am glad to know about the noise. I get that
>crackling that one feels and sees around lightening
>when I tune into you. So much power and blue white
>lite.
>
>I had to laugh. Because I see a person with his arms
>folded kind of scowling at me when I tune into you. I
>am not sure if that is someone protecting you or me!!
>But I appreciate it whomever it is and plan to heed
>it. At first I thought it looked like an older man
>but he may just feel very old and wise. He just looks
>kind of huge (really tall) when I see the picture.
>
>It looks to me as if you are at the center of a
>vortex of gathering energy. And this energy goes well
>beyond one dimension or universe. I have seen a lot
>of things in my spiritual journeys but nothing like
>this. Kind of cool. But it explains how come you
>don't feel anything. You are in the center - the
>calm. And it also explains why someone cannot send
>energy to you. I can connect with your soul (since
>that is where we are all connected anyway) and imagine
>the love that is within both of us etc. But I cannot
>send you energy.
>
>Neato. I have been told more than once that I will go
>where angels fear to tread - by spirits and humans.
>So I think I will stop now. I have had a harrowing
>three weeks and cannot handle another month in bed.
>Although last time I got energy from you I was high
>for a week. And yes my abilities jumped many levels.
>So I accept that kind of help again gladly.
>
>Take care. Whatever or whomever you are, I hope it is
>for the greatest good of all, including yourself. I
>get confirmation that it is. Good.
>
>Have you noticed anything in common with the people
>who are drawn to you or who can "see" you? Why us?
>Are you part of our soul family or did we all agree to
>be part of something that we each have a role in?
>
>
>
>=====
>Walking this path laughingly one step at a time.
>I AM Eileen Silon
>The Down to Earth Spiritualist
This is such a lovely message to you Shiva, that I shall not ruin it
with senseless words......I read it three times :-))
Lina.
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:30:06 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello Shiva,
<snip>
>>OK...psychic attack has become a very very broad term. What do we
>>classify as psychic attack? Who and What can psychic attacks be
>>manifested by?
>other people, with evil intentions toward a person... another
>human classed as a psychic vampire, wanting your 'energy'
>or other level entities, that desire to twarfe you, or stop your
>because of what you are, or to stop your spiritual growth, so you
>remain a slave to the system, blind and not interested in
>growth..
> clear up to advanced spiritual light workers-having other dark
>side enemies, trying to stop their work here, through any means
>they can.
Ok.....I can relate to this, and also agree on the existence of this.
Now the next question: What about negative forces in Spirit World?
>>>Not only can psychic attack lead to sickness and/or pain but it can
>>>affect one's moods, one's relationships etc. etc. A competent psychic
>>>attacker can also kill people if he/she wants to bother.
>>
>>Yes, I tend to agree with this possibility, happens on a daily
>>basis.....on the asumption that the psychic attacker is an incarnate.
>>But then freedom of choice comes into the picture again...."One cannot
>>be hurt by another if one knows one is master of one's own thoughts"
>
> but this is a case where ignorance is NOT bliss....
As I said in another post: Ignorance is not the same as choosing not
to believe in something.
Ignorance is never a good thing.
One can be aware of many religions and many independent beliefs....be
fully understanding of them, and yet not adhere to them.
When I say not believing......(ahhh, how to explain?) it is more like
when one thinks one is going to be ill....and truthfully then falls
ill. When one believes one is strong and never ill.....this keeps the
bedcovers neatly folded.
You see, if the psychic attacker discovers that you believe in such
kind of attack....he will home in on the fear factor, and mess with
your energies to achieve such. Fear is but a small step away from all
of us.
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:30:06 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:35:49 GMT, John Fitzsimons
>><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
Hello John,
<snip>
>>The acknowledgement of something is simultaneously
>>also an apprehension (expectation) of it.
>
>I disagree. If a woman acknowledges that in certain circumstances
>she could get herself raped it doesn't follow that she expects it to
>happen. Only that she considers it a possibility.
You have chosen a severe example here. If she considers certain
circumstances are optimal for rape....for instance walking through a
shady area of town, then she will avoid these areas. Simply because
she expects a possibility of rape. In avoiding these areas, is she
not admitting that she is expecting a rape to possibly take place?
If she has no such expectation...then why avoid the area?
>
>Many people who don't "expect" something negative to happen to them
>still have negative experiences.
Agreed......but then these negative experiences will be attributed to
other circumstances. Expectation follows belief. If one does not
deeply believe that one will get sick, one can only crutch that belief
on the fact that one leads a healthy life. Just an example.
>
>Lack of acknowledgement of "dangers" is a pretty foolhardy approach
>IMO. The saying "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" is a fairly
>valid one.
And is it not the fool who usually emerges unharmed?
<snip>
>>OK...psychic attack has become a very very broad term. What do we
>>classify as psychic attack?
>
>Adverse affects/attack on psychic levels.
>
>>Who and What can psychic attacks be
>>manifested by?
>><snip>
>
>Anyone physically alive and anyone physically dead.
Anyone alive, agreed.
Anyone dead....only agreed if this person is a lost soul. or has not
gone to the light.
>
>>>Not only can psychic attack lead to sickness and/or pain but it can
>>>affect one's moods, one's relationships etc. etc. A competent psychic
>>>attacker can also kill people if he/she wants to bother.
>
>>Yes, I tend to agree with this possibility, happens on a daily
>>basis.....on the asumption that the psychic attacker is an incarnate.
>
>Why incarnate ? Incarnate attackers will often request help from
>discarnate attackers. Most attack situations involve both.
See above.
I mentioned in another post that I regard the Spirit World to be pure
and without negativity. Negativity is an earthly manifestation. If
anyone perceives Spirit (Spirit World) to be negative, then I would
choose to imagine that this person is mingling his own fears, beliefs
and perceptions into the context. Spirit will allow us to believe
that which we choose to believe in.
>
>>But then freedom of choice comes into the picture again...."One cannot
>>be hurt by another if one knows one is master of one's own thoughts"
>You can be physically hurt by another. Or are you going to suggest
>that you are physically stronger than every male that you have
>met/will meet ?
But then the physical is of another dimension....is it not?
We should have a parallel discussion on psychic attack and physical to
physical attack.
>As you can be hurt in the physical so too can you be hurt in the non
>physical.
Definitely agreed.....but the question remains by Whom and by What?
Incarnate and lost souls.
You believe that Spirit in the Spirit world can attack too........
I choose not to believe in the latter :-)
>
>You are only master of your own thoughts as long as the
>energy/entities that oppose you are not, in effect, able to
>match/better your mental strength.
Being master of ones own thoughts already requires a certain amount of
strength.......it is in one's own interest to achieve mental strength,
and become a master in it.
Lina.
Grace Kennedy
On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:23:58 +0100, "Richard Hobson"
<richard...@lineone.net> wrote:
> Hi Grace, Shiva, Isabela et al,
> I would like to add some
>comments of my own re shielding.This will be of more interest to those less
>advanced than yourselves.
> First of all, if we start with the presumption
>that there is an energy or life-force that can be taken from one individual
>to another, we can see that in everyday life. Most people have subconcious
>strategies to take energy-we can do it by being a habitual victim(say by
>talking incessantly about our problems or by encouraging bullying behaviour
>to get attention) or by the more predatorial approach of actually being a
>bully.
> As individuals we can choose whether to give energy
>or not. In `The Healing Experience` by Malcolm Southwood the author mentions
>that one of the hardest things to come to terms with is a crying baby. A
>true healer cannot turn away or shield himself easily, and Malcolm describes
>how he found that in these cases the best approach was just to give out the
>energy,it was the resistance to doing this that caused the biggest
>power-drain. And often the baby would stop crying when it somehow sensed
>that someone in the room was helping.
This seems very logical, other than IMO a true healer would be giving
out positive energy indisciminately and wouldnt need to have the
'should I? shouldnt I ?' thoughts that are implied.
> This is not to say for one moment that shielding is
>unnecessary in everyday life. Indeed lack of it almost led me into suicide
>on one occasion. A visitor came to my house one night briefly. He was a
>spiritual teacher rooted in eastern philosophy. At that time I was unaware
>of my `psychism` or extreme empathy as I would prefer to think of it.
> For two days afterwards I fought back strong
>suicidal thoughts, became paranoid about my relationship, and kept seeing an
>unfolding blue flower in my minds eye everytime I shut my eyes. Later I
>learnt this man had just been dumped and had been close to suicide. As soon
>as I became aware of this the problem went....indeed it strenghtened me as
>we all need a little faith in the other side at times and this was one of
>those times.
> The main point I would like to get over here is
>that being aware that others may have access to your energy levels is a
>defence in itself. Previous to this incident I had had trouble simply being
>confined in a room with large groups of people-such as in a bar-but
>afterwards there were no further problems. For the vast majority of people
>shielding per se is unnecessary.
I dont see how this conclusion was reached, given your experience with
the eastern spiritual teacher ?
Are you saying that the vast majority - being aware of others having
access to their energy - are then protected/ok ?
In my experience, knowing it can happen has not stopped it from
happening, it helps peace of mind as I know whats going on but without
setting up protection as well, it doesnt by itself stop all affects.
> However, there are many hardy spiritual
>individuals that walk along some dangerous paths. In these cases shielding
>is vital.
I think I can see a point that greater shielding is needed depending
on what a person is doing, however I think the emphasis on this point
could be different. ie rather that saying the vast majority dont need
shielding, it might be better to err on the side of caution and say
all might need shielding, but some people need more than others :-)
After all what can possible be 'wrong' with surrounding oneself with
positive energies.
Also, this planet environment can have some pretty negative energy,
so that alone can be enough reason for anyone to have shielding.
> I have previously explored the occult, paganism, and shamanism on
>a working level. Basically, what you believe and think about becomes alive
>and real.
This can be true in some situations ( though Harrison Ford has not
showed up on my doorstep (even non-physically) no matter how much I
think it :-) ), but IMO its equally true that many people who know
nothing about psychic attack/influence are affected.
>Spiritual experience takes place at different levels-as a simple
>guide, we can take the world-view of the shaman. The tree he climbs, or
>pole, is the pathway from the underworld( roughly equivalent to our western
>astral planes) to the overworld( the place of gods, spirits, guiding
>ancestors). Now some souls work mainly on the lower, darker, and in this
>material world, more powerful levels.
>This is also the level of ``Sorcery`( I mean this as a noun, not as an
>implied critiscism). Those who have got into Carlos Castaneda will realise
>this. In these areas the power involved is at a deep, almost primitive
>level, centered on the lower brain and energised by deep instincts-sex,
>thirst, self-preservation, etc. Clearly, as with Western Magic, the risks
>and threats are much greater. Not least to the individual ego. But the
>rewards are correspondingly greater if the selfish desires can be subjugated
>and redirected for the good. This is where the `dragon` energy lies. Mojo
>rising..., Kundalini...etc. The destructive becomes creative.
I will have to think more on your words & experience here to
understand better what is being said :-)
> When exploring these areas personally I never used
>shielding and still dont. Sometimes I got into some very deep water
>indeed.At these moments I would start to recite my `mission statement`......
> I wish to know
> In order to serve the light,
> So that the divine spark may grow
>within me.
> .....and strangely enough, at times of greatest confusion,
>there was always one part of this I found I could not remember. For
>instance, if it was the 2nd part(serving the light) that was difficult to
>recall, it would be obvious that my aims were contaminated by selfishness or
>darker forces. And so I would become centered again.
So you with your missions statement you had a way to fix up when
things went wrong, but maybe the need for fix ups could have been
avoided ? :-)
> So why my antipathy towards shielding? Well, this is only
>very much a personal `revelation` and may not have the same depth to others,
>but I once saw a Witch (Wiccan) being interviewed and she was asked what is
>the difference between white and black magic.( To all Wiccans reading this,
>yes I know this is simplistic, please bear with me). Now I have come across
>and used many arguments regarding free-will, karma, etc in relation to using
>elemental(for want of a better term) forces to affect reality. But this
>woman summed it up in a manner that really impressed me. She said...` Black
>magic is the point at which we draw our circle mainly to protect ourselves
>from the consequences of our actions...`
But have you thought about what type shield this would be ?
To me in this case it would be a negative shield (the opposite of what
a person of the light would want to set up)
If a group was setting out to do negative things to others (black
magic) it would make sense for them to set up a negative shield not a
positive one , as a positive one would naturally work against their
negative aims.
If people with negative intent use negative shields, why does that
make it undesireable for people with positive intent to set up a
positive shield ?
> , I would like to make it very clear that I have the
>utmost respect for those who tread these dark paths.And shielding of some
>kind is necessary, whatever the method of attaining some protection. When an
>individual shines his light in the darkness he is highly visible to all
>kinds of power-seeking entities, like moths to a lamp.Those who walk here
>have one foot in the darkness and one in the light. They are the pathfinders
>whom others can later follow in more safety.
> But for most of us no elaborate shield is needed. Dark
>forces are rarely intelligent and do not seek us out.
If dark forces were rarely intelligent, wouldnt humanity have solved
the worlds problems long ago ?
>and individuals who
>become corrupted by their power soon burn out,
not necessarily IMO
> or find many spiritual paths
>blocked. They can only go so far, and that is not far enough to hurt a
>stranger who does not fear them
Its true that fear can attract negative experiences, but not true that
only those with fear can have negative experiences. Or to put it
another way, having no fear is not IMO a protection or prevention from
all negative experiences.
> There is a short story I will finish off with that I
>have just quoted elsewhere that is highly relevant
> In book called `The door marked Summer` by Michael
>Bentine( of Goon fame) there is a passage relating to a seance being held by
>his spiritualist parents going horribly wrong. The table is swirling around
>the room and there is total chaos and panic.
> At the height of this dark manifestation, a party of
>schoolchildren passes the window, singing and chatting blithely.
> The table crashes back down to the floor,
>simple joy having the force to dissipate all this dark energy instantly.....
My reading of this is, that if the group had positive shielding (love,
light, joy) to begin with, the situation might have been prevented in
from going wrong altogether.
>
>Richard.
>
>
Grace
>
>
Izabela Melamed
> Hi Izabela ,
>
Hi Grace
> >
> >> Another idea - pictures speak louder than words,
> >
> >Do you have some idea where I can find such pictures. Maybe somewhere on
the
> >net?
> >
> :-) I was thinking of just drawing them. Nothing elaborate. I dont
> know any on the internet but there are excellent pictures in Barbara
> Ann Brennans book 'Hands of Light' (ISBN 0-553-34539-7). This doesnt
> show exactly what I was suggesting but does show auras in various
> states, damaged auras, auras of 'drainers' (showing suckers or hooks
> coming out), auras with emotional energy blocks etc etc.
I would love to draw something myself if I was able to see auras, but
unfortunately I don't have this ability. The book you mention here is very
good indeed. I still have this idea some day when I get very rich and have a
lot of free time to make an animated film with a similar purpose. It is not
necessary to be on the same book - it probably would cost a lot of money to
pay for the rights. But a nice simple visual always works well with people.
And probably this is the best I could do for them. Everybody goes with this
that they can do :-)
Spiritual matters are basically "invisible" for this world. Though an
illustration only can give a very little sense of the full picture, there
are some things that can be drawn. Many people work out of their dreams, but
only few of them keep in the frames of the objective observation. Too many
get involved with additional abstractionism and subjectivism. Such creations
may look beautiful, but often don't help much except to add a little mood to
the interior of some house.
<snip>
> I wanted to mention this in case it might be useful in the future, not
> to cause any agonising over whether something you did
> caused these things to happen. It can be especially difficult in the
> midst of a situation to know all the whys, wherefores & reasons of how
> the chain of events was set in motion and often its better to focus on
> creating positive thoughts and energy in any way possible, as this
> will be much more helpful in recovering from the situation in any
> case.
> If you can at all, postpone 'worrying' for later :-)
> Your guides will most likely help you to work out what you need to
> know.
This sounds exactly as what I was thinking to do next. Maybe some things are
as they are because they were meant to be such. Rushing the events doesn't
look a smart thing to do in this situation.
<snip>
> >Ahhh, Grace, I really shouldn't welcome you here with such a fountain of
> >personal problems, but I feel like this time I am not dealing only with
> >theory.
> I'm impressed that you think of others now :-)
> I've had some experience which were 'not only theory' and which I
> would not choose to repeat, but in time one of the major the lessons
> from this was to show how much more strength and light was needed to
> prevent and/or handle better the same situations again.
>
> wishing you the light,strength and answers you need right now
Thank you so much for your comments. It's always very helpful to hear from
somebody, who had walked a similar path already. Hope you find this group a
good place to share your experiences and help other people as you helped me.
I hope to read more and more of your posts and comments here :-)
Izabela
Izabela Melamed
"Lina" <lm...@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
news:3b93c88a....@news.CIS.DFN.DE...
For me the free will is the main power that keeps us on the way dead or
alive. It begins in the spirit world and ends there. Still from a birth a
human being has to apply a free will in order to stay alive. Our every
moment actions are results of a free will. Even our physical brain works by
this principal, which in most simplified version is a constant act of
choosing between yes and no - in math - 1 and 0. The entire universe can be
described only by these two digits and the movement of the consciousness
choosing between them. In the complicate combination of free choices is the
vital power of life.
Izabela Melamed
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:39 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>
> >All discussion ends when Karma
> >enters the room :-( It appears to me to be a quick fix answer to
> >any question that eludes comprehension.
>
> Karma helps to increase comprehension. When one seriously asks the
> question "Why am I having this experience ?" They can find out which
> "lessons" they are having difficulty learning. They can then choose to
> do something about it. If they wish.
Karma is a flexible explanation which fits every situation. However this
doesn't mean that it is the correct explanation for every situation.
> >The free will.......yes! And what is this but a mindset?
>
> Well, even one's mindset is often the result of karma. Many people
> for example fear that certain things will happen in their life. For
> example, that their partner will desert them. This is often a
> subconscious awareness that this in fact is going to happen.
> As a result of oneself being unfaithful in an earlier time.
Or as a result of the present actions of a person OR other people. NOT
everything is in the past. You always dismiss the point that we are still
alive here now, we still create karma and we will create karma. Sometimes a
pink elephant is just a pink elephant.
Your everything explaining by the past actions of a person can bring
somebody to a situation of useless feeling of guilt in innocent people. If
you explain hurting people always and only as a result of their unproved bad
actions in probable past lives it will never give them the possibility to
realize that now they are creating their future bad karma.
Izabela Melamed
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:28:38 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>
> >If this is so...then a
> >bunch of other viewpoints no longer make sense. If there are evil
> >spirits in the spirit world, then why is our Spirit guide letting them
> >get to us?
>
> Good question. One that only gets a sensible answer by including
> that 'k" word.
Or because of the free will of the person himself. For ex. the free will of
somebody to lazy lay on the comfortable explanation that bad things happen
to good people because of their *probable* mysterious actions in the past.
The attitude of a potentional failure : "MAYBE I deserve this."
> >To sit there and have a laugh watching us suffer?
>
> Nobody representing the forces of God would be laughing at people
> suffering. Physically or non physically. In fact the opposite. It can
> be in very distressing for a spirit to know that they may be able to
> help someone but also to be aware that they aren't allowed to.
Distressing? So distressing as for a surgeon cutting the chest of somebody
to operate his ill heart.
> Well, I think that terms such as "evil" or "good" are handy ways of
> describing experiences. From the spiritual growth viewpoint even
> negative experiences can be a help on one's spiritual journey. So
> in that sense something negative is a positive thing. :-)
>
> The downside of such terms however is where people think of
> themselves as "victims". Totally ignoring any karmic considerations.
> Such an idea is dis empowering and likely to prolong lessons, as
> opposed to completing them more quickly.
>
> Seeing oneself as a "victim" can also result in one doing negative
> things oneself. Thereby adding more negative karma to the equation.
This is too generally told. In real life people deal with real situations
where the things are not just black and white. Often a victim is a victim
and negative actions should be taken against negative people. But you
wouldn't call them negative actions. You would call them "karmic lessons".
Words!
Izabela Melamed
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:52 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>
> A better question perhaps would be "Would he want to hurt you ?" If
> Shiva is a lightworker then the answer would of course be "no". Even
> that carpenter guy with the initials J.C. didn't harm anyone who got
> very close to him.
And for this he died too young. Sometimes being too good means to be too
stupid.
Izabela Melamed
> On 30 Aug 2001 02:20:25 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
> (--Shiva--) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:56 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> ><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> Hello Shiva :-)
>
> <snip>
> >>Why nobody mentions here the role of the spirit guardian when talking
about
> >>spirit protection ? What he is doing while one is under attack ? Isn't
he
> >>supposed to watch out all the time ? Why people get possessed or drained
> >>despite the protection of their guardians ?
> >
> >now you got the crux of a problem... does EVERYONE have a
> >guardian?
>
> According to the most popular belief, I would vote that the majority
> would say yes. In a previous post many months ago I raised the same
> question..... the overwhelming response was that everyone did indeed
> have a guide - irrespective of whether they were aware of it or not.
> Old souls and young souls alike, but in proportion.
Even if one thinks that doesn't have a guardian everyone has a higher self
that acts as such. The higher self is the ever presented guardian.
> >do they KNOW they got a guardian? do they KNOW they are being
> >attacked?
IMO every one of us knows subconsciously that has a guardian.
>
> People not spiritually aware would not know they are being attacked -
> or at least they would not see it from that angle. Instead they would
> run to a medical doctor for treatment. Meaning, that they feel the
> effects of the attack, but just believe it is of physical origin..
All the misunderstanding comes from people trying to personalize their
guardians. They imagine them as angels, or supermen. The
guard, as everything else on a spirit level, is an energy and can do the
things only as an energy does.
John Fitzsimons
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:42 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:52 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello Lina,
< snip >
>Purely because one does not open oneself
psychically
> to possible attacks...one simultaneously creates that energy
>which will keep the attack at bay. By thinking one automatically
>creates shields of energy.
What you are talking about isn't the situation of creating energy. It
is the situation of closing down psychically. If one does that then
one reduces negative psychic influence. As well as positive psychic
influence.
>>My understanding of what Shiva is saying is that he is being attacked
>>because he is a lightworker. Someone who is an actual, or potential,
>>problem for the negative forces.
>Yes...I have heard people claim that a lightworker becomes an
>attraction for negative forces....almost like a candle attracting a
>moth.
Yes, but "on the whole" negative forces don't have the energy/skill to
counter effective light workers. The small number who do however can
be a bit of a challenge.
< snip >
Regards, John.
John Fitzsimons
< snip >
>When I say not believing......(ahhh, how to explain?) it is more like
>when one thinks one is going to be ill....and truthfully then falls
>ill.
We are talking here about "wish fulfillment". A self fulfilling
prophesy. If one is constantly talking about negative outcomes with
expectation of them happening then they probably will. Irrespective of
whether they would have occurred anyway.
This happens on a personal AND global scale.
>When one believes one is strong and never ill.....this keeps the
>bedcovers neatly folded.
It certainly helps BUT many people who don't think that they will get
sick/have problems do in fact get sick and/or have problems.
>You see, if the psychic attacker discovers that you believe in such
>kind of attack....he will home in on the fear factor, and mess with
>your energies to achieve such. Fear is but a small step away from all
>of us.
A psychic attacker can, and often does, use a person's fears against
them. It isn't a preliminary requirement however. One doesn't need to
fear psychic attack to receive it.
As I have said before belief in something doesn't mean that it will
happen. If I believe that my house could be flooded due to being close
to a river that overflows this DOES NOT mean that it will happen.
I might decide to put up "protection" in the form of dykes around the
house. So that if the river overflows the house isn't affected.
John Fitzsimons
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:44 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
Hi Lina,
>But then are non physical experiences not mostly because of our own
>free will. Meaning a certain mindset, current lifetime karma, and even
>abuse (drugs, medicines, etc) of our own physical.
Our non physical experiences are the result of actions in this life
and in past lives. If you spent all of your previous life attacking
people on non physical levels then that will affect future lives.
Quite possibly this one included.
>If a man driving his car in the fast lane, at night, suddenly decides
>to pull over into a slower lane in order to change the tape in his
>radio, as he is now tired of listening to the same songs over and over
>again. - suddenly realises that he did so in the nick of time, for
>there was a vehicle broken down in the fast lane ahead, with no
>lights! He would have collided head on with this car had he not
>decided to change the music!
>He has no explanation for it, other than saying "My time was not up
>yet"......some people could claim this was his spirit guide looking
>out for him. Yet others would say it was his guardian angel.........
Perhaps it was. Your point is... ?
< snip >
>>>Conclusion is that there are no evil spirits in the spirit world.
>>Well, that's a pretty strange notion. There are certainly plenty of
>>negative spirits in physical form. Obviously sooner or later they take
>>on full time spirit form.
>Yep, plenty of negative spirits in physical form, I agree. But then I
>also believe that once the soul has gone to the spirit world, a
There are huge numbers of negative spirit people who are earthbound.
They haven't reached the spirit world. So what happens when they do
arrive there is, in the immediate sense, irrelevant.
>transformation takes place, and the negativity is anihilated. (to put
>it bluntly). This occurs because the earthly emotion and ego no
>longer are attached to this spirit - the baggage falls off so to
>speak. To me the greatest love in existance - the purest form of
>existence itself, is that which takes place in the spirit
>world....and thus there is no place for any negativity, nor evil.
>Another may think differently :-)
><snip>
There are positive and negative spirit planes. Each person goes to the
plane that they deserve to go to. The mass murderer does not go to the
same type of place as a Mother Theresa. I don't know why you would
think that they both deserve the same outcome ?
< snip >
>>The downside of such terms however is where people think of
>>themselves as "victims". Totally ignoring any karmic considerations.
>>Such an idea is dis empowering and likely to prolong lessons, as
>>opposed to completing them more quickly.
>>Seeing oneself as a "victim" can also result in one doing negative
>>things oneself. Thereby adding more negative karma to the equation.
>May I rephrase what you have said into: "Victim of the self".
The "self" of the current life, and past ones.
>Have you noticed how these "victims" are the ones who on one level or
>another just cannot and will not be healed?
No. I think each case is a different one.
>One can try to assist for
>many years, to no avail......it is as though this person simply enjoys
>being a victim...yet laments continuously over his/ her own suffering.
From my research on that type of situation I find that the major
reason for that is that the person WANTS TO BE DIS-EMPOWERED !
Why ? Because if he/she can convince him/herself that they are a
"victim" then *they* don't have to put in any effort to making things
better.
In their mind the more hopeless the situation the better. This is also
often the reason why people try to encourage the idea that the planet
is in a hopeless state. IF they are right then they don't need to put
in any effort to improve anything. After all it will just be wasted
effort. The perfect excuse for lazy/selfish people.
>Often I wonder what the little "miracle" is that would bounce them
>from their own vicious circle.........if I could just find that
>miracle solution ......you any ideas?
>Lina.
It depends on how close to the person you are. Anyone around me who
is foolish enough to try the P.L.M. (poor little me) thing soon gets
asked "What are YOU doing about the situation ?" In pretty close to
100% of the time the answer of course will be "nothing". My next
question is then "Why aren't you doing anything ?" etc.
People then decide to actually do something about their situation OR
make sure they don't do the P.L.M. bit within earshot of me. Either
situation is an improvement of sorts. Every minute less of people
moaning is that much less negativity in our atmosphere.
John Fitzsimons
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:44 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
Hi Lina,
>>Karma helps to increase comprehension. When one seriously asks the
>>question "Why am I having this experience ?" They can find out which
>>"lessons" they are having difficulty learning. They can then choose to
>>do something about it. If they wish.
>Actually I agree completely with what you say here. But then are you
>not talking of us people here in our current incarnation....and how we
>ourselves create our own destiny - in this lifetime.
Thoughts, words, actions in this life create our future in this
lifetime, and future ones.
>But when it comes to karma from a previous lifetime....that is the
>angle I am so struggling with. Because I feel the results of ones
>thoughts and actions is such a conscious manifestation.....The
>conscious we have in this lifetime is not that which we had in a
>previous life....so I just feel that our present conscious cannot be
>held responsable for a conscious (which now eludes us) from a
>previous life.
><snip>
So if you know you are going to die next week it doesn't matter if you
murder a few dozen people before then ? After all next lifetime you
cannot be held responsible ? Er....no.
You are responsible for everything you say, think and do. The
repercussions may come back in the present life. Future one(s),
or both.
We are always conscious of our past life actions. On inner levels. We
may/may not choose to be physically consciously aware.
One of the reasons people choose to not consciously remember past
lives is to avoid responsibility for their negative actions. This
refusal to learn from one's mistakes is one of the major reasons the
world is as it is today.
If there wasn't a continuous consciousness then each life would be
like a completely new start. We couldn't bring forward all the lessons
that we had learnt previously.
Also, we have an inner consciousness of past friends, enemies etc. If
we didn't bring this consciousness from the past then everyone we met
now would seem like a total stranger. Friendships couldn't continue on
etc.
>>>The free will.......yes! And what is this but a mindset?
>>Well, even one's mindset is often the result of karma. Many people
>>for example fear that certain things will happen in their life. For
>>example, that their partner will desert them. This is often a
>>subconscious awareness that this in fact is going to happen.
>>As a result of oneself being unfaithful in an earlier time.
>See above :-)
Yep, see above. With continuous spiritual progression lessons can
continue from one life to another. Without a connection to past life
events then one wouldn't know which lessons are still needing to be
learnt.
Suppose you were an Irish Protestant. Then you were mistreated,
perhaps tortured, by anti Protestants. Why would you object to your
tormentors being born as Protestants themselves in a future life ? To
perhaps be in turn mistreated ? Why are you against them being held
responsible for the way that they treated you ?
>Lina
John Fitzsimons
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:42 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:30:06 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello Lina,
>>I disagree. If a woman acknowledges that in certain circumstances
>>she could get herself raped it doesn't follow that she expects it to
>>happen. Only that she considers it a possibility.
>You have chosen a severe example here. If she considers certain
>circumstances are optimal for rape....for instance walking through a
>shady area of town, then she will avoid these areas. Simply because
>she expects a possibility of rape. In avoiding these areas, is she
>not admitting that she is expecting a rape to possibly take place?
A "possibility" yes. A "probability" ? Not necessarily. I would
suggest the protection of avoiding those areas. You apparently would
argue that if she doesn't fear being raped then she will be fine when
walking around shady areas of town.
A dangerous suggestion IMO.
>If she has no such expectation...then why avoid the area?
>>Many people who don't "expect" something negative to happen to them
>>still have negative experiences.
>Agreed......but then these negative experiences will be attributed to
>other circumstances.
Attribution doesn't change what I said. Negative experiences happen to
those who don't expect them.
>Expectation follows belief.
If one believes that one will not get sick then one should "expect" to
be well. In reality however people who believe/expect to be well are
not necessarily that way at all.
>If one does not
>deeply believe that one will get sick, one can only crutch that belief
>on the fact that one leads a healthy life. Just an example.
As I said. Belief in wellness doesn't mean that it will manifest.
>>Lack of acknowledgement of "dangers" is a pretty foolhardy approach
>>IMO. The saying "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" is a fairly
>>valid one.
>And is it not the fool who usually emerges unharmed?
><snip>
No. I constantly come across foolish people who are very seriously
harmed. Often after using a ouija board for example.
< snip >
>>As you can be hurt in the physical so too can you be hurt in the non
>>physical.
>Definitely agreed.....but the question remains by Whom and by What?
>Incarnate and lost souls.
>You believe that Spirit in the Spirit world can attack too........
Where did I say that ?
>I choose not to believe in the latter :-)
>>You are only master of your own thoughts as long as the
>>energy/entities that oppose you are not, in effect, able to
>>match/better your mental strength.
>Being master of ones own thoughts already requires a certain amount of
>strength.......it is in one's own interest to achieve mental strength,
>and become a master in it.
Certainly, but there will always be people with a stronger
(individual/collective) mind than yours. As well as those with a
weaker (individual/collective) mind than yours.
John Fitzsimons
<richard...@lineone.net> wrote:
> Hi Grace, Shiva, Isabela et al,
Hi Richard,
> I would like to add some
>comments of my own re shielding.This will be of more interest to those less
>advanced than yourselves.
The more the merrier. :-)
> First of all, if we start with the presumption
>that there is an energy or life-force that can be taken from one individual
>to another, we can see that in everyday life. Most people have subconcious
>strategies to take energy-we can do it by being a habitual victim(say by
>talking incessantly about our problems or by encouraging bullying behaviour
>to get attention) or by the more predatorial approach of actually being a
>bully.
I expect that you have already read it but for people interested in
discussion of energy vampires etc. they should consider reading "The
Celestine Prophesy" by James Redfield. Bantam Books I.S.B.N.
1863-59-319-5.
> As individuals we can choose whether to give energy
>or not. In `The Healing Experience` by Malcolm Southwood the author mentions
>that one of the hardest things to come to terms with is a crying baby. A
>true healer cannot turn away or shield himself easily,
That would depend on how one feels about babies. Every healer is an
individual. The term "true healer" is an unfortunate choice of term
IMO.
>and Malcolm describes
>how he found that in these cases the best approach was just to give out the
>energy,it was the resistance to doing this that caused the biggest
>power-drain. And often the baby would stop crying when it somehow sensed
>that someone in the room was helping.
If the baby wants attention, and gets it, then it has "got it's way".
That is not IMO a good thing to teach a child i.e. if you don't get
your own way then holler louder !
> This is not to say for one moment that shielding is
>unnecessary in everyday life. Indeed lack of it almost led me into suicide
>on one occasion. A visitor came to my house one night briefly. He was a
>spiritual teacher rooted in eastern philosophy. At that time I was unaware
>of my `psychism` or extreme empathy as I would prefer to think of it.
> For two days afterwards I fought back strong
>suicidal thoughts, became paranoid about my relationship, and kept seeing an
>unfolding blue flower in my minds eye everytime I shut my eyes. Later I
>learnt this man had just been dumped and had been close to suicide. As soon
>as I became aware of this the problem went....indeed it strenghtened me as
>we all need a little faith in the other side at times and this was one of
>those times.
You were fortunate. Many people have "psychic pickup" situations, such
as yours, and don't understand what is going on.
> The main point I would like to get over here is
>that being aware that others may have access to your energy levels is a
>defence in itself. Previous to this incident I had had trouble simply being
>confined in a room with large groups of people-such as in a bar-but
>afterwards there were no further problems. For the vast majority of people
>shielding per se is unnecessary.
Everyone has a shield. It is commonly called an aura. Different auras
have a different degree of strength.
> However, there are many hardy spiritual
>individuals that walk along some dangerous paths. In these cases shielding
>is vital. I have previously explored the occult, paganism, and shamanism on
>a working level. Basically, what you believe and think about becomes alive
>and real. Spiritual experience takes place at different levels-as a simple
>guide, we can take the world-view of the shaman. The tree he climbs, or
>pole, is the pathway from the underworld( roughly equivalent to our western
>astral planes) to the overworld( the place of gods, spirits, guiding
>ancestors). Now some souls work mainly on the lower, darker, and in this
>material world, more powerful levels.
Yep. Incarnate people and discarnate people.
>This is also the level of ``Sorcery`( I mean this as a noun, not as an
>implied critiscism). Those who have got into Carlos Castaneda will realise
>this. In these areas the power involved is at a deep, almost primitive
>level, centered on the lower brain and energised by deep instincts-sex,
>thirst, self-preservation, etc. Clearly, as with Western Magic, the risks
>and threats are much greater. Not least to the individual ego. But the
>rewards are correspondingly greater if the selfish desires can be subjugated
>and redirected for the good. This is where the `dragon` energy lies. Mojo
>rising..., Kundalini...etc. The destructive becomes creative.
Serious occultist. :-)
> When exploring these areas personally I never used
>shielding and still dont. Sometimes I got into some very deep water
>indeed.
Hardly surprising. Kind of like walking in the rain. One shouldn't be
surprised if they get wet. :-)
>At these moments I would start to recite my `mission statement`......
> I wish to know
> In order to serve the light,
> So that the divine spark may grow
>within me.
> .....and strangely enough, at times of greatest confusion,
>there was always one part of this I found I could not remember. For
>instance, if it was the 2nd part(serving the light) that was difficult to
>recall, it would be obvious that my aims were contaminated by selfishness or
>darker forces. And so I would become centered again.
The same thing often occurs for people prior to sleep. If they were
intending to make requests for healing/learning from the light etc.
Often they are "put to sleep". Even if they aren't very tired.
> So why my antipathy towards shielding? Well, this is only
>very much a personal `revelation` and may not have the same depth to others,
>but I once saw a Witch (Wiccan) being interviewed and she was asked what is
>the difference between white and black magic.( To all Wiccans reading this,
>yes I know this is simplistic, please bear with me). Now I have come across
>and used many arguments regarding free-will, karma, etc in relation to using
>elemental(for want of a better term) forces to affect reality. But this
>woman summed it up in a manner that really impressed me. She said...` Black
>magic is the point at which we draw our circle mainly to protect ourselves
>from the consequences of our actions...`
One cannot however escape the consequences of our actions. Whether
one is a witch, or not. Black magic is about control, manipulation,
taking, selfishness etc. White magic is the opposite.
> , I would like to make it very clear that I have the
>utmost respect for those who tread these dark paths.And shielding of some
>kind is necessary, whatever the method of attaining some protection. When an
>individual shines his light in the darkness he is highly visible to all
>kinds of power-seeking entities, like moths to a lamp.Those who walk here
>have one foot in the darkness and one in the light. They are the pathfinders
>whom others can later follow in more safety.
> But for most of us no elaborate shield is needed. Dark
>forces are rarely intelligent and do not seek us out. And individuals who
>become corrupted by their power soon burn out, or find many spiritual paths
>blocked. They can only go so far, and that is not far enough to hurt a
>stranger who does not fear them
A thug does not usually get frightened by a corpse. Simply because
someone who is dead would not be considered a danger to them. Negative
forces do not need to be bothered much about "ordinary" people because
;
(A) Most are so "unaware" that influencing them is pretty effortless.
Rather a "no-brainer".
(B) They are usually doing almost nothing to bother the dark forces.
So they can do whatever they like pretty much with impunity. If
someone doesn't impact on what *you* want to do then there is
no need to bother with them.
> There is a short story I will finish off with that I
>have just quoted elsewhere that is highly relevant
> In book called `The door marked Summer` by Michael
>Bentine( of Goon fame) there is a passage relating to a seance being held by
>his spiritualist parents going horribly wrong. The table is swirling around
>the room and there is total chaos and panic.
> At the height of this dark manifestation, a party of
>schoolchildren passes the window, singing and chatting blithely.
> The table crashes back down to the floor,
>simple joy having the force to dissipate all this dark energy instantly.....
>Richard.
Well, if I have the choice of singing to achieve "protection" OR
visualisation techniques, prayer etc. then I think I would prefer the
latter. :-)
As regards "prayer" . In one of the spirit rescue situations Bentine
talks about in that book he says
"However, the weapons they used in this struggle for the soul of the
publican were far more powerful and effective than mere physical
strength. The depth and intensity of their prayers seemed to generate
a force-field which literally bound the manifesting entity, enclosing
L. and the hideous being that possessed his body inside a "cage" of
power and light.
Gradually, it's bullying, mindless, raging fury seemed to wilt and
then as suddenly as the dreadful intensity of it's being had
manifested, it collapsed...."
He doesn't seem to be suggesting that such things as prayer are
ineffectual/unnecessary to me.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:52 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>> A better question perhaps would be "Would he want to hurt you ?" If
>> Shiva is a lightworker then the answer would of course be "no". Even
>> that carpenter guy with the initials J.C. didn't harm anyone who got
>> very close to him.
>And for this he died too young.
Too young ? Oh....I don't know. Even Shiva would have trouble writing
a greater melodrama. < he he >
>Sometimes being too good means to be too stupid.
Well, don't let any of the christians around here hear you say that !
They might have to chase you out of town as a heretic. :-)
Bye the way, you are partly right. The story as told by christians is
incorrect. Not a problem however. Story tellers are wont to
embellish/dramatise things.
John Fitzsimons
<grac...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:23:58 +0100, "Richard Hobson" <richard...@lineone.net> wrote:
< snip >
>> But for most of us no elaborate shield is needed. Dark
>>forces are rarely intelligent and do not seek us out.
>If dark forces were rarely intelligent, wouldnt humanity have solved
>the worlds problems long ago ?
< he he >
It is hard to improve on that observation. :-)
While I am here however I will quote someone else's opinion on "doing
something".
"All that is required for evil to succeed, is that good men do
nothing."
Edmund Burke
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"Grace Kennedy" <grac...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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Hi Izabela ,
< snip >
>There are a lot of people I know, who are classical drainers. But at the
>same time to be donors for others. To be entirely honest I have observed the
>same about myself - I can act to someone as a donor, BUT to be a real
>vampire for somebody else. This is a little strange IMO.
Why ? Different people have different energy levels relative to
yourself. This is what often dictates the direction of energy flow.
Also, the polarity of the relative energies affect the situation as
well. Of course I will now studiously avoid using that "k" word
as you probably don't want to know the past life reasons for
draining. :-)
>> Another idea - pictures speak louder than words, a before & after aura
>> drawing, of meeting someone who is draining before having a
>> shield/protection and after having a shield/protection, could help
>> peoples understanding.
>Do you have some idea where I can find such pictures. Maybe somewhere on the
>net?
Sometimes a simple drawing by the person doing the explaining can be
sufficient. The KISS principle.
>> And/or suggest that a person not believe anything you say, but try it
>> out to prove things for themselves :-)
>Well, this story with my mother has some continuation. I didn't expect that
>the things can get so complicated. I believe you had read the story of me
>sending back to her her negative energy and literally poisoning her that
>way. After the infusions she felt much better and seemed like everything was
>okay. But then I decided to "enlighten" her and told her all about cleansing
>and shielding that I read in the Shiva's post. For my very big surprise she
>listened to me with the biggest eyes ever.
>And probably I screwed up for second time. That very night she meditated for
>first time creating a similar to mine pyramid of light. But the same poison
>came back to her with a double strength. I have never seen her this way. It
>looked to me like she was getting crazy. I had to move to her house and to
>sleep in her room. This was a nightmare night for both. She was overloaded
>by negative thoughts about death, walking around like a somnambulist, every
>half an hour her body was in a heavy tremor. She couldn't sleep for a
>second, but she had terrible hallucinations of repeating patterns
>symbolizing her life and death.
Not an unusual situation if someone has a strong entity, or entities,
within the aura.
>But what mostly scared me were her words late in the night "I feel like
>there is something inside of me.
Fine, pretty common. The next step is to move them out and onto the
spirit world.
>Something that is alien to me. Something
>like a wild animal. It is not me, but separate of me." After our last
>conversations here about possessions etc. you can imagine what I could think
>about. And you can imagine what amount of love, light and prayers I
>bombarded her and all the space around her during all the night.
Good idea, but she ideally should be strongly involved herself.
Imagining herself as an intense furnace will help.
>Her other words later were "All these is because of the light meditations
>you told me."
Partly correct. That is probably what brought the entity to her
attention. Otherwise it would simply have been adversely affecting
her/others without her knowing why.
>Another strange thing occurred the same night, that I have
>never seen before and scared me badly. Sometime during the sleepless night
>she jumped out of the bed again to walk all around the house. When she left
>the room I clearly saw her own ghost remaining in the room after her. It
>looked like she split in two.
>The next morning of course we looked for the physician and of course they
>gave her some drugs. Now she is calm, happy, sleepy and drugged all the
>time. And I feel like all this was only a bad dream. I still cannot believe
>what happened. I think I did something very, very wrong massing around with
>energies that I know nothing about them. Probably would be better I never
>know :-(
That depends on how compassionate you are. If you want to help people
in this sort of situation then learn what you need to learn to do
things efficiently.
>Ahhh, Grace, I really shouldn't welcome you here with such a fountain of
>personal problems, but I feel like this time I am not dealing only with
>theory.
Of course. What's the point of learning theories if they cannot be
"tested" in the "real" world ?
When would you like to learn about spirit rescue work ?
(A) Before you may ever need the information ?
(B) After some bad experience ?
Your choice.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
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< snip >
>> Well, even one's mindset is often the result of karma. Many people
>> for example fear that certain things will happen in their life. For
>> example, that their partner will desert them. This is often a
>> subconscious awareness that this in fact is going to happen.
>> As a result of oneself being unfaithful in an earlier time.
>Or as a result of the present actions of a person OR other people. NOT
>everything is in the past.
Well, one doesn't generally get bad karma for things they haven't done
yet so "earlier time" seems like a reasonable term to me. The earlier
time could of course be in this lifetime.
>You always dismiss the point that we are still
>alive here now, we still create karma
Yes, but the repercussions will generally be later. Maybe only five
minutes later but later nevertheless.
>and we will create karma. Sometimes a
>pink elephant is just a pink elephant.
>Your everything explaining by the past actions of a person can bring
>somebody to a situation of useless feeling of guilt in innocent people. If
>you explain hurting people always and only as a result of their unproved bad
>actions in probable past lives it will never give them the possibility to
>realize that now they are creating their future bad karma.
I totally disagree. We have mentioned here before that every minute of
our lives we create karma. Knowing that something currently that is
negative may have a past life cause should INCREASE one's desire
to lead a better life now. Not decrease it.
If one doesn't want to reap negative outcomes then one should sow
positive actions. Pretty simple. *We* are in charge of our future.
What we sow is up to us.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:28:38 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>> >If this is so...then a
>> >bunch of other viewpoints no longer make sense. If there are evil
>> >spirits in the spirit world, then why is our Spirit guide letting them
>> >get to us?
>> Good question. One that only gets a sensible answer by including
>> that 'k" word.
>Or because of the free will of the person himself. For ex. the free will of
>somebody to lazy lay on the comfortable explanation that bad things happen
>to good people because of their *probable* mysterious actions in the past.
>The attitude of a potentional failure : "MAYBE I deserve this."
If one is lazy and doesn't want to deal with issues then they are
using free will. They are also generally creating karma. Often
negative karma. As lack of action often adversely affects others.
>> >To sit there and have a laugh watching us suffer?
>> Nobody representing the forces of God would be laughing at people
>> suffering. Physically or non physically. In fact the opposite. It can
>> be in very distressing for a spirit to know that they may be able to
>> help someone but also to be aware that they aren't allowed to.
>Distressing? So distressing as for a surgeon cutting the chest of somebody
>to operate his ill heart.
No. Distressing as in being a surgeon who can help someone but being
told one isn't allowed to.
>> Well, I think that terms such as "evil" or "good" are handy ways of
>> describing experiences. From the spiritual growth viewpoint even
>> negative experiences can be a help on one's spiritual journey. So
>> in that sense something negative is a positive thing. :-)
>> The downside of such terms however is where people think of
>> themselves as "victims". Totally ignoring any karmic considerations.
>> Such an idea is dis empowering and likely to prolong lessons, as
>> opposed to completing them more quickly.
>> Seeing oneself as a "victim" can also result in one doing negative
>> things oneself. Thereby adding more negative karma to the equation.
>This is too generally told. In real life people deal with real situations
>where the things are not just black and white. Often a victim is a victim
>and negative actions should be taken against negative people.
That would depend on what one terms "negative actions". One can
generally avoid taking negative actions against people. Unless one
terms any sort of "justice"/"punishment" as "negative actions".
>But you
>wouldn't call them negative actions. You would call them "karmic lessons".
>Words!
Karmic lessons are only negative if that is what is required to learn.
People can reverse karma by positive thoughts/words/deeds. The fact
that the overwhelming majority of humankind isn't interested in that
method is hardly any of my doing. *I* have chosen to reverse my karma
by predominantly positive means. Anyone else can do the same.
Izabela Melamed
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:10:57 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
> >> A better question perhaps would be "Would he want to hurt you ?" If
> >> Shiva is a lightworker then the answer would of course be "no". Even
> >> that carpenter guy with the initials J.C. didn't harm anyone who got
> >> very close to him.
>
> >And for this he died too young.
>
> Too young ? Oh....I don't know. Even Shiva would have trouble writing
> a greater melodrama. < he he >
Ah, I forgot. He was the reincarnated Adam and now is the incarnated Hans...
oops. Bad again...
> >Sometimes being too good means to be too stupid.
>
> Well, don't let any of the christians around here hear you say that !
> They might have to chase you out of town as a heretic. :-)
OK, ok, okay. I apologize to all Christians. Please, forgive my impolite
behavior and accept the bright, hot love, light and smiles I am sending to
all of you :-)
> Bye the way, you are partly right. The story as told by christians is
> incorrect.
Now I am really curious an all ready to listen. Please ?
Izabela Melamed
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:06:26 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >energies that I know nothing about them. Probably would be better I never
> >know :-(
>
> That depends on how compassionate you are. If you want to help people
> in this sort of situation then learn what you need to learn to do
> things efficiently.
One of the things that I have learned from this situation is that half
educated amateur can be a greater danger than no help at all.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:10:57 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>> >> A better question perhaps would be "Would he want to hurt you ?" If
>> >> Shiva is a lightworker then the answer would of course be "no". Even
>> >> that carpenter guy with the initials J.C. didn't harm anyone who got
>> >> very close to him.
>> >And for this he died too young.
>> Too young ? Oh....I don't know. Even Shiva would have trouble writing
>> a greater melodrama. < he he >
>Ah, I forgot. He was the reincarnated Adam and now is the incarnated Hans...
>oops. Bad again...
< ROFLMAO >
>> >Sometimes being too good means to be too stupid.
>> Well, don't let any of the christians around here hear you say that !
>> They might have to chase you out of town as a heretic. :-)
>OK, ok, okay. I apologize to all Christians. Please, forgive my impolite
>behavior and accept the bright, hot love, light and smiles I am sending to
>all of you :-)
That's better. :-)
>> Bye the way, you are partly right. The story as told by christians is
>> incorrect.
>Now I am really curious an all ready to listen. Please ?
Well, these issues are not only confined to christian folk lore. Much
the same can be said for many "holy" traditions :
(A) Things were cut out of the early records.
(B) Things were added to the early records, in the sense of
interpretations, additions, etc.
(C) Many things that were meant to be symbolic were taken literally.
This is why there are so many contradictions, and things missing. It
is particularly evident when comparing the christian new testament
with the version obtained via spirit dispensation in recent times. As
told in "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus The Christ".
Not only is that version more complete/clear but it also includes his
travels to Egypt, India etc.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:06:26 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>> >energies that I know nothing about them. Probably would be better I never
>> >know :-(
>> That depends on how compassionate you are. If you want to help people
>> in this sort of situation then learn what you need to learn to do
>> things efficiently.
>One of the things that I have learned from this situation is that half
>educated amateur can be a greater danger than no help at all.
Yes, that can be the case. That is also the situation with many people
who dabble in psychic matters without a proper understanding of
things. They can become a danger to both themselves and others.
Your situation however is different. You need to think more seriously/
deeply about the things that you have learnt/are learning here. You
need to get a better appreciation of the potential impact that this
knowledge can have. With knowledge comes responsibility. Psychic
awareness/activity can lead to great help for others. Or great harm.
In a different way the experience is/was important for your mother as
well.
Things are "quickening up". More and more situations will "get people
thinking". I think Shiva suggested that people are going around
asleep. That is quite correct. It is now time to start waking people.
For you to help wake them up we need to first wake you up ! :-)
light...@freedom.net
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:08:04 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>>> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:10:57 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>Ah, I forgot. He was the reincarnated Adam and now is the incarnated Hans...
>>oops. Bad again...
>
Izabela, you REALLY know how to tickle my nerve....:-) Gosh I really
tried to ignore your SHIELDING post...And now see what you did?! I
accidentally read this one and I was already almost
out-of-this-group...:-)
Seems you can't hide your thoughts from me...lol
P.S. Shiva should you read this. I finally "found" you yesterday in a
"dream" and brought you "some light"...:-)
Cheers, Hans
Izabela Melamed
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> >is particularly evident when comparing the christian new testament
> >with the version obtained via spirit dispensation in recent times. As
> >told in "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus The Christ".
> >
> >Not only is that version more complete/clear but it also includes his
> >travels to Egypt, India etc.
> >
>
> I like, Izabela, to ask a Christian preacher-one of those dyed
> in the wool, Bible is never wrong types, the following question.
>
> DO YOU AGREE WITH REINCARNATION?
>
> and they 99 times out of 100 say no....
Do you know that the jews believe in reincarnation? Once I asked a deeply
religious jew about this "Of course!" he told and show me the paragraph in
the Bible (which I don't remember). "Strange - I told - don't you think that
there is a lot of eastern influence in the jewish religion?" "Well - he
answered - it's difficult to tell who influenced who. Probably the truth is
that they all were influenced by the same source." and he pointed up to the
sky.
> then I ask about the passage where Jesus is talking about John
> the Baptist.
> It was prophesied, that Elijah MUST return before the Savior
> did, and Jesus said, he did, and you knew him not (referring to
> John being the reincarnation of him)
> and then the fight begins.... LOL
Izabela Melamed
I hadn't hear about this book before. It cannot be found on the net, but I
lost myself reading a dozens of commentaries and reader's opinions on it.
Seems it is really an interesting paper that I should add to my "must to
read" list I had heard indeed that Jesus spent many years learning from
other teachings but don't know any details.
I don't have an opinion now, but that skeptic sitting in the left side of my
brain is bothering me again. After all this book is only a channeling. Why
you think that the above A, B and C don't apply to it too?
Well, this time you really made me think about some things. Though I still
cannot put them in words. Or in so many contradictive words, that it's
difficult to start from somewhere. I know only one thing for sure. Till now
there were hundreds of situations where I was almost on the door of a church
to be baptized. Everything looks okay till I think about how I'll have to
put my head under the water and declare my belief in Jesus. Well maybe I
could do it, but then I have to add to this : "Yes, I believe in Jesus, as I
believe in Buddha, as I believe in Mohamed, in Plato, in Galileo Galilee, in
Leonardo da Vinci, in Shakespeare, in Einstein etc. But no, I don't believe
that one person can save the world.
And to add a little melodrama to this (seems I really was moved) I did
something that long ago I didn't do. I went to sleep with a "big" question
"I would like to know about Jesus. Who and what is he?" Maybe influenced by
the prophesies of Shiva I dreamed of a big Zeppelin flying above the earth
where people go. But surprising was the name of it, which I clearly heard at
least 10 times in the dream. It's name was "Purification". Now I need to
figure out what this can mean.
Izabela Melamed
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:08:10 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
> >One of the things that I have learned from this situation is that half
> >educated amateur can be a greater danger than no help at all.
>
> Yes, that can be the case. That is also the situation with many people
> who dabble in psychic matters without a proper understanding of
> things. They can become a danger to both themselves and others.
>
> Your situation however is different. You need to think more seriously/
> deeply about the things that you have learnt/are learning here. You
> need to get a better appreciation of the potential impact that this
> knowledge can have. With knowledge comes responsibility. Psychic
> awareness/activity can lead to great help for others. Or great harm.
I don't know what to answer to this. Excuse my hedgehog's syndrome lately,
but probably I don't understand you right. My situation here of the silly
student that everybody rushes ahead to teach doesn't bother me. What would
be
a teacher without a student :-)
> Things are "quickening up". More and more situations will "get people
> thinking". I think Shiva suggested that people are going around
> asleep. That is quite correct. It is now time to start waking people.
> For you to help wake them up we need to first wake you up ! :-)
In which world you would like to wake me up - in your world or in my world ?
Honestly I don't see sleeping people walking around. They look to me just
too busy staring at themselves so they don't see the other people.
Izabela Melamed
<light...@freedom.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:17:14 GMT, John Fitzsimons
> <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:08:04 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> ><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> Izabela, you REALLY know how to tickle my nerve....:-) Gosh I really
> tried to ignore your SHIELDING post...And now see what you did?! I
> accidentally read this one and I was already almost
> out-of-this-group...:-)
> Seems you can't hide your thoughts from me...lol
Oh, don't take it so seriously :-)
You know, yesterday I was thinking about a book and thought that it is
something that you definitely would like. It's name is "Foucault's Pendulum"
by Umberto Eco. I am not good in writing annotations, so if you are
interested you may go to Amazon.com and make a search with this name where
you will find more than 160 customer's reviews. In a few copy-pasted words:
"Intrinsically woven into the fabric of time, is a hidden school of thought.
Principles of heretical, hidden knowledge, coded into the Philosopher's
library of secret works. Gematria, Temura, Notariquon. Veiled allusions,
deciphered by man. Intricate conspiracy of Rosicrucian branches of the Tree
of Illumination. Infatuation with symbolic overtures of hidden music.
Initiation into a world of spiritual exclusiveness and egotistical adherence
to a scientific, structural revelation of the mind of Deity. Illusive logic.
Can the mind of man know the mind of God? Can a computer break the code and
reveal all the secrets of the secret schools? Are The Templars trying to
stop the Revelation? What is The Password? I cannot reveal the structure of
the story, because They are coming for me alfk;lhag'['ppjjjjjj" :-)
And don't take it too seriously :-)
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:37:24 GMT, John Fitzsimons
><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
Hello Shiva,
>>>>My understanding of what Shiva is saying is that he is being attacked
>>>>because he is a lightworker. Someone who is an actual, or potential,
>>>>problem for the negative forces.
>>
>>>Yes...I have heard people claim that a lightworker becomes an
>>>attraction for negative forces....almost like a candle attracting a
>>>moth.
>>
>>Yes, but "on the whole" negative forces don't have the energy/skill to
>>counter effective light workers. The small number who do however can
>>be a bit of a challenge.
>
>that he was... killed me some previous life time...or my 3D me.
But were you a Lightworker in this previous lifetime? And if so, did
you have protection...or did you let the negative forces in?
Or maybe someone here will resort to the Karma thingy again?
Lina.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
Hello Izabela,
<snip>
>And to add a little melodrama to this (seems I really was moved) I did
>something that long ago I didn't do. I went to sleep with a "big" question
>"I would like to know about Jesus. Who and what is he?" Maybe influenced by
>the prophesies of Shiva I dreamed of a big Zeppelin flying above the earth
>where people go. But surprising was the name of it, which I clearly heard at
>least 10 times in the dream. It's name was "Purification". Now I need to
>figure out what this can mean.
Purification?
What is the most serene and pure energy?
Unconditional LOVE !
To achieve a purified state, one would need to eradicate all form of
condition, all aspects of negativity....and even let go of the ego.
But, if one releases ego in all it's entirety, one no longer is alive.
Because ego is that unfinished part of Spirit....the part that still
has lessons to learn.
Purification therefore is being Spirit.
Lina.
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
Hello Shiva,
>
>>Ok.....I can relate to this, and also agree on the existence of this.
>>Now the next question: What about negative forces in Spirit World?
>
>what about them? they are there, and they do what the can to
>disrupt things, both there and here.
Reason I asked this is because I personally do not believe that there
is any evil in the Spirit World.....but am open and interested in
learning how other people observe evil Spirit.
The Spirit I am relating to here is not incarnated, and is not
earthbound (as in the lower astral)...am talking about Spirit in
Spirit Realm.
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:47:50 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello John,
<snip>
>>When one believes one is strong and never ill.....this keeps the
>>bedcovers neatly folded.
>
>It certainly helps BUT many people who don't think that they will get
>sick/have problems do in fact get sick and/or have problems.
Ah yes, and I know of such cases. One can place oneself in a cocoon of
health....but if one has negative thoughts elsewhere, one destroys all
the positive health thoughts one ever came up with. One cannot
isolate positive and negative thinking into two separate
bowls......Energy co-exists within us as a whole, and interacts as one
thinks. One negative thought can anihilate any positive thought one
has maintained.
<snip>
>As I have said before belief in something doesn't mean that it will
>happen. If I believe that my house could be flooded due to being close
>to a river that overflows this DOES NOT mean that it will happen.
>
>I might decide to put up "protection" in the form of dykes around the
>house. So that if the river overflows the house isn't affected.
Thought followed by action....what a true statement. :-)
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:12:53 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello John,
>If one believes that one will not get sick then one should "expect" to
>be well. In reality however people who believe/expect to be well are
>not necessarily that way at all.
True, but upon further investigation I have found that often in a case
like this a person believes s/he believes....that is not enough. This
belief needs to become one's truth....a grounded conviction.
You know, if one believes in something....for this belief to actually
manifest (bearing the reality factor in mind) simple belief is not
sufficient....it has to become an integral part of one's entire being.
If one has but one little nagging doubt along the way, then the case
is closed.
<snip>
>>>As you can be hurt in the physical so too can you be hurt in the non
>>>physical.
>
>>Definitely agreed.....but the question remains by Whom and by What?
>
>>Incarnate and lost souls.
>>You believe that Spirit in the Spirit world can attack too........
>
>Where did I say that ?
Ah ok...., sorry. Then at least we can agree on this one :-)
<snip>
>>Being master of ones own thoughts already requires a certain amount of
>>strength.......it is in one's own interest to achieve mental strength,
>>and become a master in it.
>
>Certainly, but there will always be people with a stronger
>(individual/collective) mind than yours. As well as those with a
>weaker (individual/collective) mind than yours.
Very true.......but with mental strength and the choice of free will,
one can go a far far way indeed. Free will has a strength all to
itself.
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:30:16 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello John,
>
>>Ofcourse....and I agree with you :-)
>>BUT.......people get attacked without even knowing of the possibility
>>of it. This is purely because they send out negative energies in the
>>form of fear (over something or other), or they are just so plain
>
>This however ignores the situation where people who are not fearful
>come under attack. It reminds me of a white guy who I spoke to during
>a spirit rescue. He was somewhat annoyed about being dead. Apparently
>he didn't believe in magic (lack of fear) and had thought it was
>rubbish that a witch doctor, who had him in his sights, could harm
>him. The magic in fact led to him dying. He wasn't laughing any more.
>
Something just crossed my mind.
Are we not creators of our own reality?
<snip>
>>When it comes to children.......if they instinctively sleep with their
>>toys to protect them......then are you not already saying that they
>>are fearfull or insecure about something, by using the word "protect"
>>This insecurity, fear is not positive energy, but negative
>>energy....hence the comeback of negative energy in the guise of an
>>attack. Children are very vulnerable to these kind of things.
>
>Children are very psychically perceptive. Many children think that
>they are under attack because.......they are under attack ! The
>parents often make things considerably worse by telling them that
>it is just their imagination. :-(
Yes :-(
>
>Teaching them to create counter (positive) energies would be far
>more sensible.
Again yes.
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:00:37 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:44 GMT, John Fitzsimons
>><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>
Hello John,
<snip>
>>But when it comes to karma from a previous lifetime....that is the
>>angle I am so struggling with. Because I feel the results of ones
>>thoughts and actions is such a conscious manifestation.....The
>>conscious we have in this lifetime is not that which we had in a
>>previous life....so I just feel that our present conscious cannot be
>>held responsable for a conscious (which now eludes us) from a
>>previous life.
>><snip>
>
>So if you know you are going to die next week it doesn't matter if you
>murder a few dozen people before then ? After all next lifetime you
>cannot be held responsible ? Er....no.
There are always those who would act in certain ways, irrespective of
the circumstances. Some could not even step on an insect - while
others find it a fun thing to do. Responsability goes much deeper
than just ones own relation to ones own actions....a truly responsable
person would hold that sentiment for the next person too.....for
afterall we are one, and what we do to another, we ultimately do to
ourselves - how long we still have to live in a current life time has
no influence nor bearing upon this type of responsability.
Those who would assume to make use of the fact that their
consciousness will no longer be, are precisely those people who have
no true respect for life anyhow, and would commit a "wrong" at any
time of day.
>
>You are responsible for everything you say, think and do. The
>repercussions may come back in the present life. Future one(s),
>or both.
>
>We are always conscious of our past life actions. On inner levels. We
>may/may not choose to be physically consciously aware.
That is if one believes in such a possibility.
>
>One of the reasons people choose to not consciously remember past
>lives is to avoid responsibility for their negative actions. This
>refusal to learn from one's mistakes is one of the major reasons the
>world is as it is today.
But then this rings true for past life influence as much as it does
for current life results.
>
>If there wasn't a continuous consciousness then each life would be
>like a completely new start. We couldn't bring forward all the lessons
>that we had learnt previously.
And so the teachings go, agreed.
But each life is a completely new start for those ( and this is the
majority ) who cannot remember their past lifes. In not remembering
they would make no connection to it. Their consciousness only spans
their current life time. But to continue with what you are saying -
may we assume that even if one does not actually "remember", and thus
not relate to previous lessons learnt - the soul does know and
remembers. So whether we like it or not, unconsiously we in our
present lifetime act upon our Souls lessons - without even knowing it.
The trick here would be to allow Soul to come forth.....and not to
push it back due to personal character, mind sets, etc.
>Also, we have an inner consciousness of past friends, enemies etc. If
>we didn't bring this consciousness from the past then everyone we met
>now would seem like a total stranger. Friendships couldn't continue on
>etc.
Is it perhaps possible that that special "soul connection" we
sometimes make with a person we have never met before, could be due to
something else, and not due to a past lifetime?
<snip>
>Suppose you were an Irish Protestant. Then you were mistreated,
>perhaps tortured, by anti Protestants. Why would you object to your
>tormentors being born as Protestants themselves in a future life ? To
>perhaps be in turn mistreated ? Why are you against them being held
>responsible for the way that they treated you ?
Holding someone responsable is an act of judgement.
How can I hold my tormentor responsable for what he has done, when
what I really want to do is forgive him/her. Firstly would I not
myself have allowed my tormentor to torment me? So am I not the one
to be held responsable?
Seen from the tormentor's perspective.....it is possible that this
person was not him/herself at the time, was possessed, was ill, etc,
etc....you name it. Surely only a dis-eased Soul would resort to
hurting another......
Should the person come round, and realise the damage s/he has
done....then that person would punish themselves more than any amount
of torture they may have afflicted. In my eyes being genuinely sorry
and realising one's ways are wrong is more than sufficient. There is
no need for further punishment...but that is the way with us
humans....we feel guilty, and we dis-ease ourselves.
Lina.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>"Lina" <lm...@mweb.co.za> wrote in message
>news:3b93c88a....@news.CIS.DFN.DE...
>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:44:45 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >If one has to learn the lesson by experiencing a possession herself, then
>> >creating shield or any kind of psychic self protection would be senseless
>> >anyway. Then why trying in the first place. Even the guardian will work
>> >against it. The free will is much bigger factor here IMO - when the
>person
>> >goes against the guardian, but not the guardian against the person.
>>
>> The free will.......yes! And what is this but a mindset?
>> To me the mind is the strongest element in forming an outcome of any
>> situation.... also in the spiritual aspect !
>
>For me the free will is the main power that keeps us on the way dead or
>alive. It begins in the spirit world and ends there.
Yes, free will governs who and what we become. Happy or depressed.
Healthy or ill, etc.
But I do not envisage free will as commencing and ending in the spirit
realm. For me it is a purely human and earthly aspect. Free will grows
and expands as we age in years. A child's free will is in an expanding
stage. It is this free will that can (and often does) inihibit Soul
from expressing itself.....the amount of spirituality in a person is
governed by free will.
>Still from a birth a human being has to apply a free will in order to stay alive. Our every
>moment actions are results of a free will. Even our physical brain works by
>this principal, which in most simplified version is a constant act of
>choosing between yes and no - in math - 1 and 0. The entire universe can be
>described only by these two digits and the movement of the consciousness
>choosing between them. In the complicate combination of free choices is the
>vital power of life.
As mentioned above.....I see the free will as originating from our own
physical mind, and not our spiritual mind. Free will is based on
reasoning and logic. Even when emotion steps in and tries to
influence this free will.....it is still the logic reasoning (whether
correct or incorrect) that governs the outcome.
Lina.
Lina
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:a7g9ptg76u2i05jk6...@4ax.com...
Hello Izabela,
<snip>
>Karma is a flexible explanation which fits every situation. However this
>doesn't mean that it is the correct explanation for every situation.
This is so true :-)
Are we not blinding ourselves to resolutions and true growth by always
resolving to an explanation of Karma. Where Karma might in some
circumstances be the outcome.....surely not in all?
>> Well, even one's mindset is often the result of karma. Many people
>> for example fear that certain things will happen in their life. For
>> example, that their partner will desert them. This is often a
>> subconscious awareness that this in fact is going to happen.
>> As a result of oneself being unfaithful in an earlier time.
>
>Or as a result of the present actions of a person OR other people. NOT
>everything is in the past. You always dismiss the point that we are still
>alive here now, we still create karma and we will create karma. Sometimes a
>pink elephant is just a pink elephant.
There are oh so many factors that come into play - hope that we resort
to the correct explanation for each situation as it occurs.
Sometimes I also find that the cause is not the important issue when
one has a situation at hand. (It would be interesting to know
ofcourse).....but so often in metaphysical issues one searches for a
cause to verify what is occuring......but ends up not being able to
find an acceptable explanation. Often then the situation is not
resolved :-(.........sometimes, just sometimes, let us not expend our
energies on something that is not constructive to the situation at
hand.....and let us resolve the issue based on current manifestations.
>
>Your everything explaining by the past actions of a person can bring
>somebody to a situation of useless feeling of guilt in innocent people. If
>you explain hurting people always and only as a result of their unproved bad
>actions in probable past lives it will never give them the possibility to
>realize that now they are creating their future bad karma.
Just imagine how daunting a fact someones negative pastlife karma can
be to their current consciousness in their current lifetime.
If one can heal a person, or remove blockages from that person, often
it is better that person is not aware of what has caused that
blockage...as the awareness of it might just make matters worse for
them, and create further blockages.
Lina.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:00:33 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
Hello John,
<snip>
>>If a man driving his car in the fast lane, at night, suddenly decides
>>to pull over into a slower lane in order to change the tape in his
>>radio, as he is now tired of listening to the same songs over and over
>>again. - suddenly realises that he did so in the nick of time, for
>>there was a vehicle broken down in the fast lane ahead, with no
>>lights! He would have collided head on with this car had he not
>>decided to change the music!
>
>>He has no explanation for it, other than saying "My time was not up
>>yet"......some people could claim this was his spirit guide looking
>>out for him. Yet others would say it was his guardian angel.........
>
>Perhaps it was. Your point is... ?
This must be your favorite expression: "Your point is....?" Lol
My point was just to demonstrate how Spirit Guides, Higher Selves,
Guardian Angels (etc) look out for us, and in some circumstances
protect us from ourselves and others.
<snip>
>
>There are huge numbers of negative spirit people who are earthbound.
>They haven't reached the spirit world. So what happens when they do
>arrive there is, in the immediate sense, irrelevant.
Indeed....they are still in the lower astral plane. And they are
earthbound. Just have a look at the word: "earthbound"....and you will
see why I do not believe that evil is part of the Spirit World, but
only of the earth realm. They remain in the lower astral in order to
be able to maintain their attachment to earth. As soon as they leave
this dimension, and progress to the Spirit World, they leave behind
them all that is evil and negative.....that stays in the lower astral.
>
>>transformation takes place, and the negativity is anihilated. (to put
>>it bluntly). This occurs because the earthly emotion and ego no
>>longer are attached to this spirit - the baggage falls off so to
>>speak. To me the greatest love in existance - the purest form of
>>existence itself, is that which takes place in the spirit
>>world....and thus there is no place for any negativity, nor evil.
>>Another may think differently :-)
>><snip>
>
>There are positive and negative spirit planes. Each person goes to the
>plane that they deserve to go to. The mass murderer does not go to the
>same type of place as a Mother Theresa. I don't know why you would
>think that they both deserve the same outcome ?
Sorry, but I cannot go hand in hand with you on this one. It is as
though you are saying that there is judgement in the Spirit World.
Why should the preachings in our Earthy plane be such that one should
loose all form of judgement, and be forgiving to another and to the
self......if there is Judgement abound in the Spirit World? What a
contradition!
What about this Universal Love statement.....the Unconditional Love?
Unconditional Love and Judgement cannot co-exist, as the one erases
the other.
<snip>
>
>>One can try to assist for
>>many years, to no avail......it is as though this person simply enjoys
>>being a victim...yet laments continuously over his/ her own suffering.
>
>From my research on that type of situation I find that the major
>reason for that is that the person WANTS TO BE DIS-EMPOWERED !
>Why ? Because if he/she can convince him/herself that they are a
>"victim" then *they* don't have to put in any effort to making things
>better.
>In their mind the more hopeless the situation the better. This is also
>often the reason why people try to encourage the idea that the planet
>is in a hopeless state. IF they are right then they don't need to put
>in any effort to improve anything. After all it will just be wasted
>effort. The perfect excuse for lazy/selfish people.
Yes :-) ....it is easier to let oneself go into misery (one needs do
nothing for it).
<snip>
Lina
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:31:04 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:51:42 GMT, John Fitzsimons
>><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:52 GMT, lm...@mweb.co.za (Lina) wrote:
Hello John,
>>Purely because one does not open oneself
>> to possible attacks...one simultaneously creates that energy
>>which will keep the attack at bay. By thinking one automatically
>>creates shields of energy.
>
>What you are talking about isn't the situation of creating energy. It
>is the situation of closing down psychically. If one does that then
>one reduces negative psychic influence. As well as positive psychic
>influence.
Wait a minute....I hadn't thought of that :-)
ok...so when one is not closed down psychically, but in meditation for
instance.......then building up protection can also be done by
creating mind energy. Some people do this by visualising....I prefer
to do it by thought.
<snip>
>>Yes...I have heard people claim that a lightworker becomes an
>>attraction for negative forces....almost like a candle attracting a
>>moth.
>
>Yes, but "on the whole" negative forces don't have the energy/skill to
>counter effective light workers. The small number who do however can
>be a bit of a challenge.
So what you are admitting is that in many cases the Light of a
Lightworker counteracts the darkness of negative forces.
(Agreed).....now for those pesty challenging dark forces......would
the same logic then not also apply in that one needs to send an extra
dose of light to intervene an attack. Light worked in most cases, it
can work again, only this time the doses are higher.
" Darkness is an absence of Light - Gary Zukow. "
Lina.
Lina
(--Shiva--) wrote:
<snip>
>Psychic vampires can be stopped 2 ways, block them (safest
>normally for 99.99999999999% of folks, or FEED THEM... too much
>is also bad for them, too.
Feed Them?
Agreed to block vampires, but to simultaneously send them some loving
light...they need it so badly. Not with the intent that too much is
bad for them, but with the intent to balance them, so that they may
not be in further need to pirate energy off the next person who has no
protection....and also so that they may become harmonized themselves,
for their own sake.
>
>>Well.....as the man said himself.......approach him with a fight, and
>>you'll get a dandy one back!
>>At the end of the day we all harm another to some length......with or
>>without intent.....that is life. Happens to the best of us.
>
>Approach now with a fight, and you will be absolutely 'LOST'
>forever... thrown through dimensions you cannot begin to dream
>of, never finding you way back here again.
Yea...I have seen your threats with the exact words before.....you
have create a lost soul by doing that :-( What provokes me is that
you take a stance of "fight back"....where I would opt to send Light
and healing.
>but, the fighters are not my worry-its the beginner. The look, to
>their starting ability, and get too close, and they cannot handle
>that situation, and get hurt-its all an accident, but I don't
>like accidents.
Perhaps this is a learning curve for the beginner....what better way
to learn than to experience first hand.......is an accident really an
accident?
> Lina, IF you want, you can come visit me too-you will be gently
>stopped if you get somewhere dangerous.
>Its the baby type-comes in at full speed that has the
>problem..they have to be stopped quickly, and that is the shock
>to the system.
Thanks for the invite, Shiva.......I will "knock" twice to alert you
of my visit.
Lina.
light...@freedom.net
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
><light...@freedom.net> wrote in message
>news:tpht12i...@corp.supernews.com...
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:17:14 GMT, John Fitzsimons
>> <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:08:04 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> ><izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> Izabela, you REALLY know how to tickle my nerve....:-) Gosh I really
>> tried to ignore your SHIELDING post...And now see what you did?! I
>> accidentally read this one and I was already almost
>> out-of-this-group...:-)
>> Seems you can't hide your thoughts from me...lol
>
>Oh, don't take it so seriously :-)
Sorry. I seemed to have worde it wrong..;_( I thought there is nothing
left for me anymore to be in this ng after the last post I did for
Shiva....
P.S. Had a very "sweet" dream about you last night..:-) Thank
you...:-)
>
>You know, yesterday I was thinking about a book and thought that it is
>something that you definitely would like. It's name is "Foucault's Pendulum"
>by Umberto Eco. I am not good in writing annotations, so if you are
>interested you may go to Amazon.com and make a search with this name where
>you will find more than 160 customer's reviews. In a few copy-pasted words:
>
>"Intrinsically woven into the fabric of time, is a hidden school of thought.
>Principles of heretical, hidden knowledge, coded into the Philosopher's
>library of secret works. Gematria, Temura, Notariquon. Veiled allusions,
>deciphered by man. Intricate conspiracy of Rosicrucian branches of the Tree
>of Illumination. Infatuation with symbolic overtures of hidden music.
>Initiation into a world of spiritual exclusiveness and egotistical adherence
>to a scientific, structural revelation of the mind of Deity. Illusive logic.
>Can the mind of man know the mind of God? Can a computer break the code and
>reveal all the secrets of the secret schools? Are The Templars trying to
>stop the Revelation? What is The Password? I cannot reveal the structure of
>the story, because They are coming for me alfk;lhag'['ppjjjjjj" :-)
>
>And don't take it too seriously :-)
You should know that I "hate" computers..:-) I am going to upgrade
this one with a new motherboard next week and forced to re-install
everything from scratch. Just now I am trying to install networking on
my 2 pcs. I'd rather run Linux but unfortunately the highspeed modem I
use only has drivers for Windows OSs hence 2 pcs...:-(
I wish we all could "converse" telepathically insteadt...:-)
If you are still interested in The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ
you can also find it on amazon.com - unfortunately they only have used
ones left. And what they say about the condition of those doesn't
sound quite "kosher"...
Cheers, Hans
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
>news:9nbfeu$gi5$2...@63.78.119.61...
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:17:14 GMT, John Fitzsimons
>> <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
< snip >
>> DO YOU AGREE WITH REINCARNATION?
>> and they 99 times out of 100 say no....
>Do you know that the jews believe in reincarnation? Once I asked a deeply
>religious jew about this "Of course!" he told and show me the paragraph in
>the Bible
<snip >
I believe that that depends on which Jews you ask. My understanding
of biblical time Jews is that the Pharisees believed in reincarnation
while the Sadducees didn't. I don't know how things are now but I
expect that there are still Jews who differ in opinion from each
other.
Currently, I expect that those Jews who study Jewish Mystical
tradition (eg. the Kabbalah) would probably be a lot more open to such
things than ordinary Jews.
John Fitzsimons
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
>news:pnhhptc5gotr890fg...@4ax.com...
< snip >
>> with the version obtained via spirit dispensation in recent times. As
>> told in "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus The Christ".
>> Not only is that version more complete/clear but it also includes his
>> travels to Egypt, India etc.
>I hadn't hear about this book before. It cannot be found on the net, but I
>lost myself reading a dozens of commentaries and reader's opinions on it.
>Seems it is really an interesting paper that I should add to my "must to
>read" list I had heard indeed that Jesus spent many years learning from
>other teachings but don't know any details.
>I don't have an opinion now, but that skeptic sitting in the left side of my
>brain is bothering me again. After all this book is only a channeling. Why
>you think that the above A, B and C don't apply to it too?
(A) Things were cut out of the early records.
The early church leaders are the ones who refused the inclusion of
some of the early gospels. They have/had no involvement with the
Aquarian Gospel.
(B) Things were added to the early records, in the sense of
interpretations, additions, etc.
Again, the early church leaders were involved here too. The channel
for this work didn't have to change things to "justify" religious
leaders etc.
(C) Many things that were meant to be symbolic were taken literally.
The Aquarian Gospel is written in recent times in clear English. Where
things are symbolic it clearly shows this. The fact that it isn't a
translation from another language ensures that it is likely to be less
prone to misinterpretation.
>Well, this time you really made me think about some things. Though I still
>cannot put them in words. Or in so many contradictive words, that it's
>difficult to start from somewhere. I know only one thing for sure. Till now
>there were hundreds of situations where I was almost on the door of a church
>to be baptized. Everything looks okay till I think about how I'll have to
>put my head under the water and declare my belief in Jesus. Well maybe I
>could do it, but then I have to add to this : "Yes, I believe in Jesus, as I
>believe in Buddha, as I believe in Mohamed, in Plato, in Galileo Galilee, in
>Leonardo da Vinci, in Shakespeare, in Einstein etc. But no, I don't believe
>that one person can save the world.
You can be a "Christian" without belonging to any church. :-)
>And to add a little melodrama to this (seems I really was moved) I did
>something that long ago I didn't do. I went to sleep with a "big" question
>"I would like to know about Jesus. Who and what is he?" Maybe influenced by
>the prophesies of Shiva I dreamed of a big Zeppelin flying above the earth
>where people go. But surprising was the name of it, which I clearly heard at
>least 10 times in the dream. It's name was "Purification". Now I need to
>figure out what this can mean.
The "Christ" Consciousness represents a level of spiritual attainment.
That is why the book is called "....Jesus the Christ". Not "Jesus
Christ". Someday you will be Izabela the Christ. Even if you never
become a follower of a christian religion.
Lina
<jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>On 8 Sep 2001 14:41:17 GMT, NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid
>(--Shiva--) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 13:46:31 GMT, John Fitzsimons
>><jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote:
>
Hello John,
Perhaps I think this time you might be misunderstanding Shiva. Heaven
knows perhaps I am too ? lol
Is Shiva not trying to voice a concern for newbie visitors as a result
of what that visit might do to THEM......it is his concern for them,
not for him, he is making a fuss about :-)
>
>>>We are however talking about non physical situations. People can be
>>>stopped without harming them.
>
>>I am using the analogy of PHYSICAL, as compared to the non
>>physical.
>
>And I am pointing out that what applies non physically is different
>than physical situations.
>
>>>Suggesting that someone be careful of being overloaded with energy is
>>>a totally different thing than the warning after warning after warning
>>>that you make here about the dangers of people approaching you. IMO
>>>you are creating a lot of unnecessary anxiety/fear in people. If
>>>people are uncomfortable with your energies then they can simply not
>>>get close to you.
>
>>I did not say what the problem was, other than its not
>>recommended, the problem increases with the beginner, cause they
>>are 'curious'. and do things impetuously
>
>< snip >
>
>You, and I, are not at the mercy of any dopey "newbie" who gets the
>amazing idea in their head that they should visit us non physically.
>That is similar to an elephant being worried about an ant walking over
>him !
>
>The weaker/less experienced a non physical traveller is then the
>easier they are for you/I to block. If you are making such a huge fuss
>about the possibility of "newbies" going to you non physically I
>wonder how you react to the "professionals" who may want to
>bother you !
>
>I really cannot fathom how someone of your strength/competence
>has such a worry about "visitors".
Baruch
I have been following this discussion about shielding, and many of the
comments have been thought-provoking and interesting. Now I want to
add my two cents' worth.
I base this mostly on my experience with psychic attack, where someone
deliberately and consciously sought to hurt me, and I was fully aware
of the attack. In the beginning I was defenseless and experienced
many problems, including feelings of being stabbed, pains to parts of
my body, overwhelming episodes of terror and despondency, and so on.
Once I became aware of the attack, I tried to construct shields of
various types. None was effective over the long run. My attention
would waver, or I'd feel better and forget, and then I'd be open
again. Much of my time was consumed in trying to maintain a shield,
or in enduring the effects of the attack when the shield failed.
Finally I began to realize that shields weren't going to work. I
needed to address the root cause of my vulnerability, various
unresolved issues concerning anger, self-esteem, forgiveness, and so
on. This was quite difficult, and while I was learning how to do it I
again experienced the attacks, but eventually it led to my not having
openings to the attacks. In the end I managed to be at peace, and the
attacks stopped causing me injury. I did find an apport from this
person (which I immediately threw into the lake), and a candle holder
that was a connection or bond between us exploded. Then it was over.
I don't know whether there was any backlash against this person, but I
do know that I was no longer vulnerable to the attacks.
It seems to me that in general we are vulnerable to attack to the
extent that we have defects in our characters, or unresolved issues of
various types - old, unhealed wounds, deep-seated anger or fear or
despair, some sort of negativity that produces an opening to other
negativity from "outside" ourselves.
I see a shield as a sort of bandage or covering we can put over a
wound so that we are not so easily hurt. This does help, but I
believe it is much better to do the work that leads to healing of the
wound, so the bandage is no longer necessary.
Dark forces seem to be about as intelligent as the person who aligns
with them. I don't think we can count on them to always be
unintelligent or mindless.
Be well and in good spirits.
Baruch
John Fitzsimons <jo...@net2000.com.au> wrote in message news:<qfoept4pu2fadf0lk...@4ax.com>...
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:20:19 +1000, Grace Kennedy
> <grac...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:23:58 +0100, "Richard Hobson" <richard...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >> But for most of us no elaborate shield is needed. Dark
> >>forces are rarely intelligent and do not seek us out.
>
> >If dark forces were rarely intelligent, wouldnt humanity have solved
> >the worlds problems long ago ?
>
>
> < he he >
>
> It is hard to improve on that observation. :-)
>
>
> While I am here however I will quote someone else's opinion on "doing
> something".
>
>
> "All that is required for evil to succeed, is that good men do
> nothing."
>
> Edmund Burke
>
>
>
> Regards, John.
Izabela Melamed
"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
>
> >could do it, but then I have to add to this : "Yes, I believe in Jesus,
as I
> >believe in Buddha, as I believe in Mohamed, in Plato, in Galileo Galilee,
in
> >Leonardo da Vinci, in Shakespeare, in Einstein etc. But no, I don't
believe
> >that one person can save the world.
>
> the above a 'teacher"? and are ALL the above you listed, a
> teacher for a SPECIFIC GROUP? example... if Buddha came to
> Israel, how would his beliefs fit in with Jewish history? would
> there not be some serious differences? take any 2, and move their
> 'group'...and I think you will see the differences...
> EACH GROUP, IMO, got THE teacher, they needed for their BEST
> GOOD????
I just love this explanation !
Izabela Melamed
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:01:22 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>
> < snip >
>
> >> DO YOU AGREE WITH REINCARNATION?
>
> >> and they 99 times out of 100 say no....
>
> >Do you know that the jews believe in reincarnation? Once I asked a deeply
> >religious jew about this "Of course!" he told and show me the paragraph
in
> >the Bible
>
> <snip >
>
> I believe that that depends on which Jews you ask. My understanding
> of biblical time Jews is that the Pharisees believed in reincarnation
> while the Sadducees didn't. I don't know how things are now but I
> expect that there are still Jews who differ in opinion from each
> other.
Of course. Same as the christians, muslims, buddhists etc.
>
> Currently, I expect that those Jews who study Jewish Mystical
> tradition (eg. the Kabbalah) would probably be a lot more open to such
> things than ordinary Jews.
>
Yes, this man is actually a student of the Kabbalah.
Izabela Melamed
Hi Lina,
> Purification?
> What is the most serene and pure energy?
> Unconditional LOVE !
>
> To achieve a purified state, one would need to eradicate all form of
> condition, all aspects of negativity....and even let go of the ego.
> But, if one releases ego in all it's entirety, one no longer is alive.
> Because ego is that unfinished part of Spirit....the part that still
> has lessons to learn.
>
> Purification therefore is being Spirit.
> Lina.
There is one detail here which disturbs me to understand. IMO it is clearly
my terminology/language problem. Often in the posts of the
spiritualists groups I read people writing about Spirit, but I cannot
understand to what exactly you refer it. I am used to think of spirit as the
singular form and spirits as the plural form of ... spirit. But what you
mean by Spirit. Also I have noticed that you never use "the" form in front
of it. Is it something like a spiritualist word for God, or for higher self,
or is something else?
Izabela Melamed
"--Shiva--" <NOSPAMs...@pcis.net.invalid> wrote in message
>
> scene bosses... working there and here, in order to keep mankind
> in the dark, so they have a source of underlings that they can
> feed off of.
> what happens if there is NO ONE here? no one PHYSICALLY left on
> earth? they have nothing to do... no one to control, etc...hence,
> they don't want the things here to change.
> they lose their power.....
It seems to me that there is enough of energy food for the cannibals on the
spiritual planes too. It's not necessary that all that they eat come from
the physical planes. IMO their big hunting season begins when people leave
their physical bodies - temporary or permanently. I am no specialist, but
they really seem not too picky.
Izabela Melamed
<light...@freedom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:33:51 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Oh, don't take it so seriously :-)
>
> Sorry. I seemed to have worde it wrong..;_( I thought there is nothing
> left for me anymore to be in this ng after the last post I did for
> Shiva....
Nothing more for you ?!?! Don't you find this shielding conversation
interesting? I thought you also have something to share with us. Some story,
some vision, a dream. You always have something interesting for us. Come on,
open the bag and tell us about your experiences with psychic attacks :-)
>
> If you are still interested in The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ
> you can also find it on amazon.com - unfortunately they only have used
> ones left. And what they say about the condition of those doesn't
> sound quite "kosher"...
He-he, I am sure about this :-D
Izabela Melamed
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:09:49 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >For me the free will is the main power that keeps us on the way dead or
> >alive. It begins in the spirit world and ends there.
> Yes, free will governs who and what we become. Happy or depressed.
> Healthy or ill, etc.
> But I do not envisage free will as commencing and ending in the spirit
> realm. For me it is a purely human and earthly aspect.
Wow ! Looks like we have polar understandings of the free will. I wouldn't
go too deep here, because we are too far from each other in our ideas :-)
Free will grows
> and expands as we age in years. A child's free will is in an expanding
> stage. It is this free will that can (and often does) inhibit Soul
> from expressing itself.....the amount of spirituality in a person is
> governed by free will.
IMO learning to suppress our free will and to keep in the boundaries of
pre-set norms is what makes us earthbound spirits.
> >vital power of life.
>
> As mentioned above.....I see the free will as originating from our own
> physical mind, and not our spiritual mind. Free will is based on
> reasoning and logic. Even when emotion steps in and tries to
> influence this free will.....it is still the logic reasoning (whether
> correct or incorrect) that governs the outcome.
Why you think that on spirit level there is no reasoning and logic ?
A spirit applies free will when it makes a choice because of experimenting,
curiosity, creativity which all leads to learning. And because of
reasoning - a higher spiritual reasoning.
light...@freedom.net
<izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>
><light...@freedom.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:33:51 +0200, "Izabela Melamed"
>> <izab...@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>Nothing more for you ?!?! Don't you find this shielding conversation
>interesting? I thought you also have something to share with us. Some story,
>some vision, a dream. You always have something interesting for us. Come on,
>open the bag and tell us about your experiences with psychic attacks :-)
>
Sorry Izabela, can't remember any. Except one, but that wasn't a
psychic attack but an astral projection of my dog (female chocolate
labrador) when she was quite young and while she was sleeping on the
floor next to my bed. She is fifteen now..:-)
Alas, as it goes I felt something climbing up on my bed with some
weight and tried to lay beside me. I said 'Sonja, get off the bed" but
she wouldn't obey and I finally started to push and punch her. It was
like a fight...in the end I woke up and was astonished that nothing
was there...
I seem to be pretty much "blessed" when it comes to personal attacks
on my person from the "dark side"...Just the guy with this strange hat
and coat from the picture I told in this ng (Goethe's) showed up a
couples of times but he always stayed in the distance...
Talking about "dreams" I seem to have you incorporated now in mine. I
don't know how much is "real" or is something what Jung(?) calls
"psychy". You seem to have become part of it..:-)
Last night I "walked" around downtown in S. and ended up in something
like a mall. But the stores that I expected to be there weren't there
anymore. Insteadt it had been "taken over" by people looking kind of
southern, east European who had set up stands selling fresh
vegetables. There was this stand in one of the buildings corners with
a "girl" with dark curly hair behind it. And I went to her and asked
her if she would know where this travel agency moved that was here
before. She said "it is just across the street from this building, a
llittle bit farer down the road and to the right" And pointed in that
direction....
Cheers, Hans