$cientology and Surveys?
Feisty
Imagine, $cientology a leading, national 'authority' on government information technology?
hahahaha ! not funny though when they fool people with info though..
Is this how the Narconon statistics were so, convincing?? $cientology reports success wins
with information they supply. Statistics and $cientology always seem to be tipped towards
what $cientology wants you to hear.
Is this because of some award-winning way that the information is gathered by a company of
devoted $cientologists that use Hubbard 'survey' technology?
Here is a recent google article that tells us how important this info is:
http://www.tekrati.com/T2/Analyst_Research/ResearchAnnouncementsDetails.asp?Newsid=4288
The Center for Digital Government details major findings on state governments' use of
technology (snip)
The revised and retooled 2004 survey utilized over 60 measurements. The new report offers
a comprehensive look at the findings in these areas, with the survey questions, responses,
statistics, and other information
(snip)
---
so we get really good, leading national surveys this way.
Here's what this url explains center for digital gov't as (the Scientology company)
http://www.tekrati.com/T2/Analyst_Firms/Analyst_firms_one.asp?Firm_Id=408
The Center for Digital Government is a national research and advisory institute on
information technology policies and best practices in state and local government. A
private organization based in Folsom, Calif
The Center is a division of e.Republic, publisher of Government Technology magazine and
Public CIO journal, and producer of Government Technology Conferences (GTCs).
Its premier services, products and programs include
Digital Government Navigator, an online resource of information and intelligence on the
state and local government IT market; Digital States Survey, Digital Cities Survey and
Digital Counties Survey -- comprehensive studies on how governments are utilizing IT to
better serve their constituents; Best of the Web contest; RE:PUBLIC, a government
leadership retreat; custom research; and reports and white papers
===
My question would be, what part of Hubbard is at work here with the surveys?
Feisty
Android Cat
> DING!! AND THE SURVEY SAID!!!
> The Center is a division of e.Republic, publisher of Government
> Technology magazine and Public CIO journal, and producer of
> Government Technology Conferences (GTCs).
>
> Its premier services, products and programs include
> Digital Government Navigator, an online resource of information and
> intelligence on the state and local government IT market; Digital
> States Survey, Digital Cities Survey and Digital Counties Survey --
> comprehensive studies on how governments are utilizing IT to better
> serve their constituents; Best of the Web contest; RE:PUBLIC, a
> government leadership retreat; custom research; and reports and white
> papers
DomainName IPAddress
californiacomputernews.com 209.63.134.101
ccnmag.com 12.164.25.231
www.centerdigitaled.com 209.63.134.101
centerdigitaled.net 209.63.134.101
www.centerdigitalgov.com 209.63.134.101
www.convergemag.com 209.63.134.101
digitalgovernment.biz 209.63.134.101
www.public-cio.com 209.63.134.101
Not sure why ccnmag is at a different IP address.
> ===
>
> My question would be, what part of Hubbard is at work here with the
> surveys?
Combine them with the Dohring's opinionsurveys.net business, and it's
certainly covered by Hubbard's "Make money" edict. Surveys that postulate
rather than report are like all those awards Scientologists hand out to each
other (and dupes). They hope is they keep postulating then form can become
substance and people will take them seriously.
--
Ron of that ilk.
chuckb...@aol.com
Feisty wrote:
> DING!! AND THE SURVEY SAID!!!
>
> Imagine, $cientology a leading, national 'authority' on government
information technology?
> My question would be, what part of Hubbard is at work here with the
surveys?
>
>
>
> Feisty
Hello,
Persons who were in middle management to Int Mgmt in Scn movement
organizations and even many Class 5 org marketing staff (Dissem Secs
and specifically the Dir Marketings of Class 5 orgs) would very likely
all have been exposed to LRH's "Really Find Out" survey techniques,
Be/Do/Have and Tone Scale survey techniques. The Really Find Out (RFO)
survey techniques the Scn movement organizationally still consider
"confidential", and I recall the RFO techniques were not authorized for
WISE group usage.
When I was a training supervisor from 77-83, many times in the admin
course rooms where I supervised, various exec trainees studied the
Really Find Out Survey techniques.
I have NEVER heard of this Scn Really Find Out survey tech being used
in the wog world, but if it is, it is relatively easy to identify. As
would be the Be/Do/Have and Tone Scale survey techniques.
I did not study the procedure in detail, but can only roughly recall
that there are lists of relevant questions asked of the public, and the
answerer checks off 3 levels of answer, for the RFO format, for
instance:
Answer which best fits your views:
Not Important Important
Vital
1) Staff should be well paid? _______ _____
____
2) LRH's works should be broadly sold? _______ _____
____
etc.
(My questions are bogus, just to give an example.)
The RFO (Really Find Out) surveys typically contain a list of about 30
such questions about the subject being surveyed.
There are some more important procedural aspects to RFO techniques, but
I don't recall what they are. What would identify it with LRH's works,
would be if a company used lists of questions, and if the answerer
marked various degrees of positiveness or unpositiveness in relation to
the questions asked. That is the RFO format typically from what I
recall.
I do NOT think LRH intended for the RFO survey tech to be given to the
WISE sector, but of course a former staff member could adapt or alter
or make up their own survey technique, and for sure since I know
nothing about survey tech in the wog world, the whole RFO survey tech
used by the Scn movement churches might be similar to survey techniques
that are already used and have been used in the wog world for decades
already. I know nothing about that, but that is a strong possibility
too.
Then separately there are LRH's Be/Do/Have surveys which are covered in
the LRH PR and LRH Marketing Series, and are NOT considered
"confidential".
LRH survey tech included at least these two technique types: RFO
(Really Find Out) and Be/Do/Have. There may be a few others, but I
can't recall them. Related to Be/Do/Have there is Tone Scale Survey.
You note the tone scale response of the answerer, when you are asking
the Be/Do/Have survey questions. So if the company is trained and
using emotional tone scale info in the survey responses, that might
indicate the company's survey tech is LRH tech influenced.
Not sure if this relates to what you asked.
Best, Chuck Beatty
Feisty
<chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1105384812.0...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Feisty wrote:
> > DING!! AND THE SURVEY SAID!!!
> >
> > Imagine, $cientology a leading, national 'authority' on government
> information technology?
> > <snip> >
> > My question would be, what part of Hubbard is at work here with the
> surveys?
> >
> >
> >
> > Feisty
>
>
Hi Chuck!
> Hello,
>
> Persons who were in middle management to Int Mgmt in Scn movement
> organizations and even many Class 5 org marketing staff (Dissem Secs
> and specifically the Dir Marketings of Class 5 orgs) would very likely
> all have been exposed to LRH's "Really Find Out" survey techniques,
> Be/Do/Have and Tone Scale survey techniques. The Really Find Out (RFO)
> survey techniques the Scn movement organizationally still consider
> "confidential", and I recall the RFO techniques were not authorized for
> WISE group usage.
hmmm
>
> When I was a training supervisor from 77-83, many times in the admin
> course rooms where I supervised, various exec trainees studied the
> Really Find Out Survey techniques.
>
> I have NEVER heard of this Scn Really Find Out survey tech being used
> in the wog world, but if it is, it is relatively easy to identify. As
> would be the Be/Do/Have and Tone Scale survey techniques.
>
> I did not study the procedure in detail, but can only roughly recall
> that there are lists of relevant questions asked of the public, and the
> answerer checks off 3 levels of answer, for the RFO format, for
> instance:
>
> Answer which best fits your views:
> Not Important Important
> Vital
> 1) Staff should be well paid? _______ _____
> ____
> 2) LRH's works should be broadly sold? _______ _____
> ____
>
> etc.
>
> (My questions are bogus, just to give an example.)
Interesting, thanks
>
> The RFO (Really Find Out) surveys typically contain a list of about 30
> such questions about the subject being surveyed.
>
> There are some more important procedural aspects to RFO techniques, but
> I don't recall what they are. What would identify it with LRH's works,
> would be if a company used lists of questions, and if the answerer
> marked various degrees of positiveness or unpositiveness in relation to
> the questions asked. That is the RFO format typically from what I
> recall.
>
> I do NOT think LRH intended for the RFO survey tech to be given to the
> WISE sector, but of course a former staff member could adapt or alter
> or make up their own survey technique, and for sure since I know
> nothing about survey tech in the wog world, the whole RFO survey tech
> used by the Scn movement churches might be similar to survey techniques
> that are already used and have been used in the wog world for decades
> already. I know nothing about that, but that is a strong possibility
> too.
>
> Then separately there are LRH's Be/Do/Have surveys which are covered in
> the LRH PR and LRH Marketing Series, and are NOT considered
> "confidential".
>
> LRH survey tech included at least these two technique types:
>RFO (Really Find Out) and
Be/Do/Have.
OK
There may be a few others, but I
> can't recall them. Related to Be/Do/Have there is
Tone Scale Survey.
OK
> You note the tone scale response of the answerer, when you are asking
> the Be/Do/Have survey questions. So if the company is trained and
> using emotional tone scale info in the survey responses, that might
> indicate the company's survey tech is LRH tech influenced.
Sounds a little confusing, but I understand what you have said based on some minimal
explanation.
Here are some that I found looking around, and so far it is interesting (in general) that
surveys are used widely in $cientology.
Surveys, The Key to Stats
149. HCO Policy Letter, July 23, 1969, Public Research and Reports Surveys:
150. Executive Directive from L. Ron Hubbard, December 18, 1971, Surveys are the Key
to Stats
162. HCO Policy Letter, June 2, 1971, PR Series No. 10, Breakthrough, PR and
Production, Tone Scale Surveys, The Laws of PR
167. HCO Policy Letter, January 25, 1972, PR Series No. 15, Population Surveys
from: http://www.xenu.net/archive/thesis/cisar-inventory.html
==== I see tone scale here again in this one:
SECTION L - PR SURVEYS
========= ==========
171. TAPE: THE TONE SCALE: MOVING THE PC UP THE SCALE
PHILADELPHIA DOCTORATE COURSE 5 DECEMBER 1952 [HJ JUL23]
172. PRACTICAL: GO OUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND SPOT TEN PEOPLE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-12-
ON THE TONE SCALE AND GIVE REASONS WHY THAT IS THE CORRECT
TONE LEVEL. [HJ] __ __
173. TAPE : TAPE NO 6010C2: SO SPEC 5
IT'S A PRO WORLD. [HJ] __ __
174. TAPE: NO. 6911C19 AIDES CONFERENCE RE: ETHNIC
SURVEYS. [HJ] __ __
175. PRACTICAL: GO OUT AND DO A SURVEY ON ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE
AND LOCATE THEIR ETHNIC BUTTONS. [HJ] __ __
176. BOARD POLICY LETTER 15 DECEMBER 1976R ISSUE V
REVISED 28 DECEMBER 1977
HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
PR SERIES 29R
THE BASICS OF REALLY FOUND OUT SURVEY TECH. [HJ] __ __
from: http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/heberhat.htm
BUREAU 7 - Executive Division
PRESIDENT CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY INTERNATIONAL
FULL HAT CHECKSHEET
CERTIFICATE: FULLY HATTED PRESIDENT CSI (Provisional)
PRODUCT: A FULLY HATTED CSI WHO IS CAPABLE
OF PRODUCING THE PRODUCTS OF HIS POST IN VOLUME
> Not sure if this relates to what you asked.
Thanks for the input. $cientology does use this in their "WOG world" from things I have
already read. Surveying in Tampa, Florida a year or so back for example, showed that they
were not very popular :-0
Not sure to what extent that it would apply here, but it sounds like it comes from the
same type of "finding out" or survey work that $cientology does? e.g.: "CCHR has worked
its way up the conditions at ALEC and recently got an article published by ALEC" (from:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-in-government/wiseman.htm ) Just seems like one would
have to know what the conditions are by some means first, implying surveying of some sort.
In any event, I'm still looking to see for more survey related information, to see if the
depths of its use can be found in these strange, "authoritative" surveys.
Thanks,
Feisty
>
> Best, Chuck Beatty
>
Lady Chatterly
Feisty <su...@skytoday.com> wrote:
>
>hmmm
>>
>> When I was a training supervisor from 77-83, many times in the admin
>> course rooms where I supervised, various exec trainees studied the
>> Really Find Out Survey techniques.
>>
>> I have NEVER heard of this Scn Really Find Out survey tech being used
>> in the wog world, but if it is, it is relatively easy to identify. As
>> would be the Be/Do/Have and Tone Scale survey techniques.
>>
>> I did not study the procedure in detail, but can only roughly recall
>> that there are lists of relevant questions asked of the public, and the
>> answerer checks off 3 levels of answer, for the RFO format, for
>> instance:
>>
>> Answer which best fits your views:
>> Not Important Important
>> Vital
>> 1) Staff should be well paid? _______ _____
>> ____
>> 2) LRH's works should be broadly sold? _______ _____
>> ____
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> (My questions are bogus, just to give an example.)
He had sargant 's manscript by his side.
>Interesting, thanks
>>
>> The RFO (Really Find Out) surveys typically contain a list of about 30
>> such questions about the subject being surveyed.
>>
>> There are some more important procedural aspects to RFO techniques, but
>> I don't recall what they are. What would identify it with LRH's works,
>> would be if a company used lists of questions, and if the answerer
>> marked various degrees of positiveness or unpositiveness in relation to
>> the questions asked. That is the RFO format typically from what I
>> recall.
>>
>> I do NOT think LRH intended for the RFO survey tech to be given to the
>> WISE sector, but of course a former staff member could adapt or alter
>> or make up their own survey technique, and for sure since I know
>> nothing about survey tech in the wog world, the whole RFO survey tech
>> used by the Scn movement churches might be similar to survey techniques
>> that are already used and have been used in the wog world for decades
>> already. I know nothing about that, but that is a strong possibility
>> too.
>>
>> Then separately there are LRH's Be/Do/Have surveys which are covered in
>> the LRH PR and LRH Marketing Series, and are NOT considered
>> "confidential".
>>
>> LRH survey tech included at least these two technique types:
If men make more money, it has sentience.
>OK
Che
--
Lady Chatterly
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