BREAKING NEWS: Norwegian OT VIII in very good standing is now out!
hel...@online.no
years of private research just announced that he is no longer a member
of the Church of Scientology. Here is his the beginning of his
announcement:
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To: relevant parties
Geir Isene's Doubt writeup on the Church of Scientology, 2009-08-07
My name is Geir Isene. I am a Norwegian public Scientologist. I became
a Scientologist in 1984. In 2006 I attested to OT VIII. I have had an
enormous amount of spiritual gain from my 25 years in Scientology. I
have seen similar gains in my family and friends and in countless of
others I have met and helped with the teachings of Scientology. The
gains are there to be had but can be suppressed by malpractice and
suppression of free will. After two years of extensive research, I
have decided to leave the Church of Scientology. I am not leaving
Scientology, only the church. In fact, I consider that the present
management is not practicing it's teachings, and that in order for me
to continue practicing Scientology, I need to leave the church and its
suppressive management. The management of Scientology is creating
massive bad PR for the technology developed by L. Ron Hubbard and
others. By equating the Church of Scientology with the Scientology
Technology, the church is lending it's bad PR to the technology
through its oppressive acts.
I acknowledge and validate the many good staff and public
Scientologists that are working assiduously to help others with
Scientology. I acknowledge that great results are accomplished. It is
hard work indeed. It is made harder by mismanagement.
Contrary to what we are led to believe, the church is not the fastest
growing religion on earth, there are not 8 million Scientologists and
the PR for Scientology is not good. It is in fact among the worst of
all religions {1}. This is not caused by "someone else". It is caused
by the church management. As one knows when studying Scientology and
attaining spiritual freedom, one is causing one's own enemies. It's
time to stop the technology of L. Ron Hubbard from being dragged down
by misapplication and the ensuing bad PR.
I hereby submit my writeup on sorting out my own doubts regarding the
church. I am a Scientologist. I will continue to help people with the
Scientology technology, but I am no longer a member of the Church of
Scientology. The following is a valid WOIM list. For explanation on
markup,see the WOIM definition page {2}. References in Appendix A.
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Read the full write-up , with links and references here:
http://xenu.net/archive/personal_story/20090807-Geir_Isene_doubt_COS.pdf
or
http://www.isene.com/files/Geir_Isene_doubt_COS_2009-08-07.pdf
There's VERY HECTIC activety in OSA Scandinavia these days. ;)
Welcome, Geir!
Take care.
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # spirous.blogspot.com # www.xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Pb 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
---
"Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as well as
we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor our egos can
tolerate."
- Robert Vaughn Young
Eldon
>
> There's VERY HECTIC activety in OSA Scandinavia these days. ;)
I can imagine. His writeup is thorough, and I get the impression that
his opinion carries quite a bit of clout, at least in Norway. Maybe
this will lead to a major exodus like the one that occurred in Holland
several years ago.
Sounds like Geir and Marty Rathbun will get along fine. Even if they
are deluded, these Ron's Org types provide a nice rationale for True
Believers to desert Miscavige. Wouldn't it be fun to see a full-blown
mutiny?
- E
Roadrunner
The usual, any that say something positive about the Scientology/
dianetics technology is deluded. You comment is in fact suppressive...
and of course you offer no research/evaluation thereof. You sound like
'Kat'...
RR
Roadrunner
>
> There's VERY HECTIC activety in OSA Scandinavia these days. ;)
>
> Welcome, Geir!
Welcome to what? He will not agree with you dear Andreas, he is
positive about the subject of Scientology/Dianetics where you are most
definitely not.
RR
Eldon
Good. I find Kat's posts intelligent and well opinionated, unlike
yours. So do you think the Scienetology/Dianetics technology is better
practiced outside the Cof$ than inside the organization?
I'll bet you won't answer that.
Roadrunner
That's ALL you people can give as an answer, opinions, but no
supported analysis... ALL that Kat does is giving opinions, when
asked for support or her 'research', she has excuses EVERY SINGLE TIME
and NEVER OFFERING any of her research. Thus in my book she is noted
as being quite silly.
I infact did offer research which she attempted to demolish by SOLE
OPINION, again no specifications were provided for. WTF is wrong with
you people, it is all too unsensical and for all CHILDISH behaviour.
It is a sickness, a mental sickness.
>So do you think the Scienetology/Dianetics technology is better
> practiced outside the Cof$ than inside the organization?
Generally no.
>
> I'll bet you won't answer that.
I just did.
RR
Eldon
But specifically, how would that be OK?....
>
> > I'll bet you won't answer that.
>
> I just did.
I'm surprised. So do you think the current management (meaning David
Miscavige) is corrupt?
Tigger
Yes, welcome to the real world.
> Welcome to what? He will not agree with you dear Andreas, he is
> positive about the subject of Scientology/Dianetics where you are most
> definitely not.
Give him some time and some real evidence and who knows....he might
agree with Andreas.
So you want some research? Read SNAPPING
by Conway and Seigleman(?) The disposal of Scientology cult mind
garbage takes longer than getting rid of the mind garbage of any other
cult....about two years. Give the newly out some time to recover.
The longer in, the longer it takes to recover from Hubbard
"processing".
So what if the early "courses" may be beneficial, but other self-help
programs can be just as effective and most of them don't take over
your life.
You sound a lot like Barbara Schwarz....all
blow and no show.
Tigger
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BARBARA SCHWARZ LOSES APPEAL
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"Many of Schwarz's requests are attempts to substantiate her claims
that she is the granddaughter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower and
the daughter of Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, that she
grew up on a private submarine base on the Great Salt Lake (not a
secret government base, she noted, as the Tribune reported) and that
her husband was wrongfully arrested in Madrid, Spain, in 1988 and
taken to the United States, where he is being secretly held.
"Asked what her evidence was to support her claims, Schwarz responded,
"Intuition, my memory and lots of puzzle pieces, small information
adding up to a big picture that I am right with my conclusions.""
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> RR
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> > Take care.
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> > Best wishes,
> > Andreas Heldal-Lund # spirous.blogspot.com #www.xenu.net
> > Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Pb 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
> > ---
> > "Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as well as
> > we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor our egos can
> > tolerate."
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Eldon
Why would it matter? For now, this guy and Marty are probably doing
more to get committed members out of Scientology by providing a
convenient rationalization: LRH good; DM bad!
Let them go have their little Ron's Org auditing parties. Power to
them!
ElenaP
Hello to every one here!
This is such a good news!
I think this period we will have a wave of OT coming out of COS
because they KNOW how things really are inside, not like the fresh
public scientologists.
I guess scientology works! LOL
You become OTIX when as an OT you decide to leave the church, and OTX
when you actively freee other OTs from the Church of Scientology.
Tigger
Eldon wrote:
> Tigger wrote:
> > > RoadRunner wrote:
> > Yes, welcome to the real world.
>
> > > Welcome to what? He will not agree with you dear Andreas, he is
> > > positive about the subject of Scientology/Dianetics where you are most
> > > definitely not.
>
> > Give him some time and some real evidence and who knows....he might
> > agree with Andreas.
>
> Why would it matter?
Eldon, sweetie, did "I" say it would matter?
I was just trying to answer RR's "opinion" and suggest something that
might happen if the newly out were given time and evidence to change
their minds. An addiction, as you well know, is not simple to
quit.
> For now, this guy and Marty are probably doing
> more to get committed members out of Scientology by providing a
> convenient rationalization: LRH good; DM bad!
True and I find no fault with that. In fact, I think it's great.
But
others have come to a realization that Hubbard was also evil AFTER
being out in the real world and learning the truth about Hubbard.
>
> Let them go have their little Ron's Org auditing parties. Power to
> them!
LOL....like football Saturday parties??? Fine as long as the "little
Ron's Org" doesn't grow UP to be a clone of the present (spit)
"church" with a Miscavige or a Hubbard on the throne.
Tigger
Eldon
Naw, I consider it more like Tupperware parties -- with a religious
element, you know. ;-)
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> There's VERY HECTIC activety in OSA Scandinavia these days. ;)
>
> Welcome, Geir!
>
> Take care.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund # spirous.blogspot.com #www.xenu.net
> Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Pb 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
> ---
> "Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as well as
> we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor our egos can
> tolerate."
> - Robert Vaughn Young
Terrific news! Congratulations Geir!
Mary McConnell
xenufrance
"source"///
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<hel...@online.no> a �crit dans le message de news:
635b5e00-df88-4b00...@r18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Eldon
> Too bad he did not realize like I did that the whole guiltness comes from
> "source"///
Give him some time. Just like Marty. They can't face the fact that
Hubbard was the original evil shit, so they blame it all on Miscavige.
But that's OK. He's available and Hubbard is not.
>
> r
> <hel...@online.no> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 635b5e00-df88-4b00-9d20-76f903640...@r18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
phil scott
>
> There's VERY HECTIC activety in OSA Scandinavia these days. ;)
>
> Welcome, Geir!
>
> Take care.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund # spirous.blogspot.com #www.xenu.net
> Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Pb 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
> ---
> "Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as well as
> we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor our egos can
> tolerate."
> - Robert Vaughn Young
...
Hello Geir...do not believe all those smearing LRH on this NG just
because he was lying doper, with erectile dysfunction does NOT mean
he was a bad person...
Phil scott (ot 5, L12)
Skipper
<9ac6aaa0-31ee-4bb5...@k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Roadrunner <roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's ALL you people can give as an answer, opinions, but no
> supported analysis... ALL that Kat does is giving opinions, when
> asked for support or her 'research', she has excuses EVERY SINGLE TIME
> and NEVER OFFERING any of her research. Thus in my book she is noted
> as being quite silly.
Here's my analysis:
1. You're a belligerent idiot.
2. Vast evidence supporing #1 above exists in your posts to this
newsgroup.
3. Ragnarok upon you, clammy.
4. You are a ground cuckoo.
Roadrunner
Ecce homo.
>
>
>
> > > I'll bet you won't answer that.
>
> > I just did.
>
> I'm surprised. So do you think the current management (meaning David
> Miscavige) is corrupt?
What I think is irrelevant, you people are in the 'opinion' business
whereas I am NOT. .-)
RR
Roadrunner
> In article
> <9ac6aaa0-31ee-4bb5-8354-aeb1c24d7...@k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's ALL you people can give as an answer, opinions, but no
> > supported analysis... ALL that Kat does is giving opinions, when
> > asked for support or her 'research', she has excuses EVERY SINGLE TIME
> > and NEVER OFFERING any of her research. Thus in my book she is noted
> > as being quite silly.
>
> Here's my analysis:
>
> 1. You're a belligerent idiot.
>
> 2. Vast evidence supporing #1 above exists in your posts to this
> newsgroup.
>
> 3. Ragnarok upon you, clammy.
>
> 4. You are a ground cuckoo.
And the support for your 'analysis'? i.e. your 'research? .-)
There is a story by Carl Barks, Pixilated Parrot, he who fits the
shoe, puts it on...
RR
Roadrunner
You obviously have not read his doubt formula. Is that YOUR 'real'
world, the one of chosen blindness and deafness? It appears so...
>
> So you want some research? Read SNAPPING
> by Conway and Seigleman(?) The disposal of Scientology cult mind
> garbage takes longer than getting rid of the mind garbage of any other
> cult....about two years. Give the newly out some time to recover.
> The longer in, the longer it takes to recover from Hubbard
> "processing".
Only if you got in while already being a pixilated parrot. Forgot to
tell that didn't you... Again you show that you have not read his
Doubt formula. It is THIS easy to get you people cornered as NONE of
you do any proper research...
RR
Roadrunner
> Eldon wrote:
> > Tigger wrote:
> > > > RoadRunner wrote:
> > > Yes, welcome to the real world.
>
> > > > Welcome to what? He will not agree with you dear Andreas, he is
> > > > positive about the subject of Scientology/Dianetics where you are most
> > > > definitely not.
>
> > > Give him some time and some real evidence and who knows....he might
> > > agree with Andreas.
>
> > Why would it matter?
>
> Eldon, sweetie, did "I" say it would matter?
> I was just trying to answer RR's "opinion" and suggest something that
> might happen if the newly out were given time and evidence to change
> their minds.
That is a 'deluded' conclusion contrary to what your 'friend in arms'
Eldon calls deluded... Get in the real world please and read this
guy's Doubt formula. Only teetie weeties like Tory will be in reach
for your people.
RR
phil scott
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rong again moron...we are in the cults criminal records business, the
criminal cult you defend
has a long long criminal record, and many decades of its idiots in
prison.
none of that is opinion... its fact... and we SEE it continuing today.
the criminal cult of scientology is about to collapse totally.. it
will be interesting to see if there enough remaining
idiots to have a new years event without embarrasing themselves....
Phil scott
phil scott
Roadrunner
Outright lie, I don't do any such thing. I address the subject of
Scientology/Dianetics, that's ALL I do. But you can't win an argument
with me if you accept that, and so you persist in this premeditated
lie. Note that I call you a LIAR...
RR
Jommy Cross
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in msg
<9ac6aaa0-31ee-4bb5...@k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>:
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>>So do you think the Scienetology/Dianetics technology is better
>> practiced outside the Cof$ than inside the organization?
>
>Generally no.
See, I wouldn't stand in that exact spot, Space.
I can tell you cosmic forces are currently gathering all around that point
in faith space.
Your protestations that "it isn't faith" won't help. Those very
protestations just call in more angels.
Incident zero: Ron trolled you
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in msg
<9d5326e1-66bd-4750...@32g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:
>On 12 Aug, 10:21, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> Sounds like Geir and Marty Rathbun will get along fine. Even if they
>> are deluded
>
>The usual, any that say something positive about the Scientology/
>dianetics technology is deluded. You comment is in fact suppressive...
>and of course you offer no research/evaluation thereof. You sound like
>'Kat'...
And not just Kat. There's a whole bunch of people whose comments are "in
fact suppressive".
That's because poet, explorer and philanthropist L Ron Hubbard left a
towering legacy of whup ass k00k, of which you, Space, are just a small
part.
If Geir and his friends want to play ufo nut cult with a magic meter,
that's just peachy by me. Or even if he just wants to look words up in
Fluff's Mystic Spelling Bee, why should I care?
At heart, Geir's criticisms of Co$ are very similar to mine. The difference
between us is I'm prepared to use Hubbard's towering legacy of whup ass
k00k to apply pressure to Co$ and its front groups. It seems people like
Eldon, Kat and a lot of others are too.
So expect a lot more "in fact suppressive" comments. And *do* keep on
identifying the suppressives who make the comments. Whup ass k00k.
When this is over, freexoners will still be able to have a magic meter and
a ufo nut cult. Provided they don't act like Co$.
Peter Schilte
You are not!? And thank you for admitting that what you think is
irrelevant. What a relief! After all I really was thinking that your
insults, invalidations and name calling was in fact relevant to you.
But now I know it isn't.
Is that why you spent 1400 pages NOT to support your opinions?
Is that why you spent 11,000 to smear a person? Because it is
irrelevant what you think?
May I ask what the fuck you you are doing here when it is not to spout
your opinions? (And insults and invalidations, for that matter.)
Peter
"You mocked up your own reactive mind, you mocked up your BTs and you
mocked up your past lives.
Those ARE the EPs (End Phenomenons) of scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard told you so. This is what you are paying for, in no
uncertain terms. Hubbard makes it very clear all the way "UP" the
bridge.
He even told you he was selling you a bridge."
- Ladybird
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Roadrunner
> On 12 aug, 23:33, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
snip
>
> > > I'm surprised. So do you think the current management (meaning David
> > > Miscavige) is corrupt?
>
> > What I think is irrelevant, you people are in the 'opinion' business
> > whereas I am NOT. .-)
>
> > RR
>
> You are not!? And thank you for admitting that what you think is
> irrelevant. What a relief!
For once you are correct...
>After all I really was thinking that your
> insults, invalidations and name calling was in fact relevant to you.
> But now I know it isn't.
But I am not into insults, invalidations and name calling. But some
person is telling a lie, I call you it lying.
> Is that why you spent 1400 pages NOT to support your opinions?
> Is that why you spent 11,000 to smear a person? Because it is
> irrelevant what you think?
> May I ask what the fuck you you are doing here when it is not to spout
> your opinions? (And insults and invalidations, for that matter.)
Childish utterances, in fact they are very incoherent and of twisting
nature. You assume a false basis and then operate from that ...
Typical brainwash technique as you assume this basis to be true, but
you are NOT addressing that basis, you only use it as a jumping board.
RR
Peter Schilte
Know thyself.
Peter
"That which works in $cientology
is not unique to $cientology,
and that which is unique to $cientology
does not work."
- Prufrock
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Roadrunner
Indeed! Even the use of these expressions you steal from me... tsk,
tsk.
RR
Out_Of_The_Dark
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lol! Phil.... be nice. The guy is newly out. Becoming deprogramed by
life outside the cult takes time and reading dox.
Magoo
Thanks for the notice, Andreas :)
It's the beginning of an entirely new world for you.
Welcome ~~
My very best to you,
Tory/Magoo
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044
www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
(I hope, when you're ready, you'll make some videos of your own.
I'm quite sure you have *many* details to share)
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