Palin;s daugher rumor: Did Mark Rathbun start it?
Tom Klemesrud
..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/01/obama-says-palins-family-is-off-limits/
Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
#2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
branch has done many times before,
More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
Corpus Christi, TX.
t_shuffle
"Tom Klemesrud" <tom...@netscape.delete.net> wrote in
message news:lZ0vk.11340$l43....@fe089.usenetserver.com
for fuck's sake..
realpch
Next thing we know, you're going to be saying he's responsible for the
decline of the honey bee.
Peach
--
Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
Save some dough, save some grief:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
SirLagsAlot
"realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:48BCA0E6...@aol.com...
> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
> >
> > ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> > campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> > the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service's report..."
> >
> >
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/01/obama-says-palins-family-is-off-limits/
> >
> > Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> > #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> > investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
> >
> > It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> > branch has done many times before,
> >
> > More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> > of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> > Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> > Corpus Christi, TX.
>
> Next thing we know, you're going to be saying he's responsible for the
> decline of the honey bee.
everyone knows that honey bees are remote controlled by german secret
service psychiatrists and they sting any good scientologist on orders from
their case officer and bees die when they sting someone and thats why there
are less honey bees every year as they stinging good scientologists every
day.
babbles said it so it has to be true!
phil scott
> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
>
>
> Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> branch has done many times before,
>
> More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> Corpus Christi, TX.
thanks for the recon... its always good to know which way the slime
slides when it leaves the cult and doesnt speak up.
Phil scott
Quaoar
You will eventually be forced to eat your own underwear.
Q
Barbara Schwarz
> .
Stop smearing, Tom. The original Marty Rathbun is too ethical to
spread rumors. Spreading rumors is the specialtity of anti-religious
extremists and p$ychs.
Have a look as to what you guys did to L. Ron Hubbard.
Reality: His daughter is kidnapped by the SEGNPMSS.
Nasty rumor: He kidnapped his daughter.
They are so predictable. They turn everything around against good
people.
Instead of posting, rather find the original Marty.
Barbara Schwarz
--
ABOUT THE AHBL AND THE VERY TWISTED BRIAN J. BRUNS :
http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/
Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.
COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm
Barbara Schwarz
> "realpch" <real...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:48BCA0E6...@aol.com...> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
>
> > > ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> > > campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> > > the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service's report..."
>
>
>
>
> > > DidMarkC.Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> > > #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> > > investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> > > It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> > > branch has done many times before,
>
> > > of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> > > Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> > > Corpus Christi, TX.
>
> > Next thing we know, you're going to be saying he's responsible for the
> > decline of the honey bee.
>
> everyone knows that honey bees are remote controlled by german secret
> service psychiatrists and they sting any good scientologist on orders from
> their case officer and bees die when they sting someone and thats why there
> are less honey bees every year as they stinging good scientologists every
> day.
>
> babbles said it so it has to be true!
>
>
>
>
>
> > Peach
> > --
> > Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
> > Save some dough, save some grief:
> >http://www.xenu.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
I wish that trained and remote controlled killer bees would be the
only deadly weapon of the German secret service.
The worst medical killers are remote controlled germs and they crawl
in you and over you.
---
Tom Klemesrud
> Tiggeri...@webtv.net:
>> Quote:
>> ................."According to Variety there is chatter that it was a
>> Barack Obama insider that leaked the pregnancy news on Bristol and
>> Levi. The say that person is a "High-ranking member of the Church of
>> Scientology." ...............End of Quote
>
> If you follow the links you'll find the entire story is a result of
bad journalists reading stuff they don't understand too fast.
>
> If I understand it correctly the supposed Rathbun/Palin connection
derives from a Google search hitting a throwaway remark by Tom Klemesrud
on ARS for which there is no evidence at all.
>
> And now we've said it again! Lol.
Absolutely right Hartley--there is no direct evidence to link this to
organizers for South Texas for Obama, or to Mark C. Rathbun.
However, there are some curious things...
http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2008/09/serious-oppo-reseach-team-at-kos.html
Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Who is ArcXIX?
From Agents of Goldstein:
"For those unfamiliar with ArcXIX, don't feel bad. His last post on
Daily Kos was about gay cowboy wizards, and that was all the way back in
December, 2005. In other words, ArcXIX smells like a shill identity. In
just 48 hours, ArcXIX turned up countless old photos of the Palin family
and even Bristol's school records. In other words, this is not the work
of an occasional blogger, but that of a serious opposition research team
meant to make sure Gov. Palin's political life is nasty, brutish, and
short."
...
Posted by john marzan
***
The scurrilous poster had pseudonyms of " ArcXIX ", or as he is also
known, " AgentArc " ...
http://wizbangblog.com/docs/Daily-Kos-Sarah-Palin-Smear.htm
And the next day follow-up.
http://wizbangblog.com/docs/BabyGate%202%20-%20Daily%20Kos.htm
The writing style right off the keyboard of a "Chris Miller", an OSA
insidered active in 1995 trying to "handle" the internet.
***
Mark Rathbun has an affinity with the term "ARC"--it's a scientology
term, and he has recently written about it here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/277790/simple_ways_for_improving_relationships.html?cat=41
[quote]
Hubbard called it the ARC triangle because as one of its corners -
affinity, reality or communication - is concentrated on and increased,
the other two elements seem to automatically expand with it. The end
result being a greater level of understanding between two or more
people. You can test the theory for yourself in any type of relationship.
[unquote]
Mark C. Rathbun, surfaces after many years of smearing, legally
attacking, and perhaps illegally attacking people; with exactly these
kinds of character assassinations, and criminal set-ups. He was #2 at
this sadistic cult with a covert intelligence operation that he
participated in, if not commanded. This sort of thing was his forte.
Now, Mr. Rathbun is "Investigations Editor" for an underground lef-wing
monthly newspaper in Corpus Christi, TX. The paper has no office, and no
telephone number. He would have us believe that he is the champion for
poor Tejanos of the area--but when has a scientologist cared or done
_anything_ for the poor?
In fact, Rathbun now in on a crusade to attack a well respected judge in
the area, Judge Manuel Banales.
http://www.wethepeoplenews.org/
We've heard that kind of attack from scientology on judges before--Ben
Krentzman, Marianna Pfaelzer, and Judge Richey, and others.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Jack+anderson+scientology+federal+judge&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US232
http://www.skeptictank.org/cw9.htm
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/judge_tampering.html
Then Rathbun shows up as a high level organizer for Barack Obama writing
blogs, and letters on Obama's own website with pictures of him meeting
with people, and local politicians. He was at the event in Corpus
Christi in February, which Obama himself attended.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/markrathbun
A McCain aid told the Wall Street Jounal that this attack on Sarah Palin
came from inside the Obama camp.
These are the sort of things that Rathbun very familiar with.
Hartley, all this made me think of Mark C. Rathbun; but, personally I
have no proof of it. It just looks, walks and quacks like the work of
Mark Rathbun--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rathbun
More information and pictures on this ARS thread:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US232&q=mark+rathbun+opinion+news&btnG=Search
Why does any self-respecting left-wing politician in Texas want anything
to do with this Hubbard worshipper; particularly Barack Obama? How is
their "vetting?"
Either the Dems are stupid, don't care, or figure they have something to
gain from hanging around with this guy.
On a chance that the reporter is reading this now, Mark Rathbun,
scientology's #2 for many years--who helped cave in the IRS to giving
Scientology a secret backroom tax exemption--
http://www.xenu.net/archive/IRS/
--upstream man in the Obama campaign is one Jon Carson, national field
director of Obama’s campaign, and a local politician names Juan Garcia:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/markrathbun/CyXY
[quote]
I spoke with Juan Garcia and with the national field director of Obama’s
campaign. It is anticipated that national staff will arrive in Corpus
Christi tonight. An office will be opened. They are shooting for doing
so by this Saturday. They said, while they appreciate the anxiety to get
something organized here quickly - particularly with the Clinton
announcement in the CT about Wednesday - Obama is not ignoring the other
several primaries set to occur prior to March 4. If she is a few days
ahead, it means nothing - particularly if she is not here to stay. Obama
is opening an office here - confirmed! It is better for us to await the
announcement of the office opening and be there en masse for the
ocassion, rather than have a premature, off shoot office opening confuse
the message and potentially steal the thunder of the actual office
opening. Apparently, a meeting is still on for tomorrow at the PPC on
Waco Street for all who want to start a grass roots volunteer movement
of some sort. In the meantime, it is not the opening of the official
Obama '08 office - that will come later in the week. You’ll be the first
to know the actual day and time - and personnel involved - in the
opening of the official office. It will be a few short days away.
Mark Rathbun
[end quote]
I don't know of Carson, Garcia, or Rathbun were involved with the smear
of Sarah Palin and her family, but we know--according to Mark
Rathbun--that they talk on the phone.
Perhaps Carson and Garcian knows the other scientologists at the table
here in the top photo, with Mark Rathbun:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/photoalbum/
But why would they associate with Mark ("Marty") Rathbun, for any good
reason; unless of course they don't know how to vet?
http://www.xenu.net/archive/photoalbum/propaganda/
Here is a news article in which Rathbun smears the reputation of a TIME
Magazine reporter--
http://www.solitarytrees.net/pubs/celebs.htm
Scientology official Marty Rathbun denounces Behar as "a criminal of the
lowest order"
Nec_V20
> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
>
>
> Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> branch has done many times before,
>
> More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> Corpus Christi, TX.
Tom,
with regard to all the things that have come out - including her
extramarital affair it appears that what happened in Alaska stayed in
Alaska and didn't get any attention until McSenile decided that he
liked her ass (he couldn't stop looking at it when he announced her)
and thrust her onto the national stage.
All of a sudden "revelations" come to light because Alaska is a "Red
in Red" State. They have drowned the Federal Government in the bathtub
- the only thing they give a shit about is the "pork" - and nobody in
the US really gives much of a shit about Alaska.
So McMILF gets tapped - not in a Minnesota Airport Toilet I presume -
for VEEP and media people go up there and ask and people tell the
reporters "what everybody knows".
Remember Hanlon's Razor, "Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity."
The GOP and McSenile are stupid (he was 894th of 899 in his class, he
also managed to crash two aircraft before he did some real damage and
put the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal out of commission by crashing
into that) and Obama doesn't need OSA, he just needs to sit back,
watch people wake up and the Repugs implode under the weight of their
own incompetence.
t_shuffle
"Nec_V20" <ARC_Tr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9fd181da-7021-4aab...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
> snip
> Tom,
>
> with regard to all the things that have come out -
> including her extramarital affair it appears that what
> happened in Alaska stayed in Alaska and didn't get any
> attention until McSenile decided that he liked her ass
> (he couldn't stop looking at it when he announced her)
> and thrust her onto the national stage.
>
> All of a sudden "revelations" come to light because
> Alaska is a "Red in Red" State. They have drowned the
> Federal Government in the bathtub - the only thing they
> give a shit about is the "pork" - and nobody in the US
> really gives much of a shit about Alaska.
>
> So McMILF gets tapped - not in a Minnesota Airport Toilet
> I presume - for VEEP and media people go up there and ask
> and people tell the reporters "what everybody knows".
>
> Remember Hanlon's Razor, "Never attribute to malice that
> which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
>
> The GOP and McSenile are stupid (he was 894th of 899 in
> his class, he also managed to crash two aircraft before
> he did some real damage and put the aircraft carrier USS
> Forrestal out of commission by crashing into that) and
> Obama doesn't need OSA, he just needs to sit back, watch
> people wake up and the Repugs implode under the weight of
> their own incompetence.
It's heartening to see that you have interests other than talking about
yourself and/or making creepy threats to women on the Internet. But still,
what does this have to do with Scientology?
I've never seen you talk about the cult, which is weird, because the only
place I've read your posts is on alt.religion.scientology
Nec_V20
> "Nec_V20" <ARC_Trian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
t_shuffle,
I have often talked about Scientology in the realms of my criticisms
of it, as none other than that is as a socio-political abomination.
Ask Claire if you don't believe me.
What you see or just apperceive is not really my problem. I make a
post and anyone is not only welcome but also invited to comment. Why
the hell else should I post?
If you just once jumped over your shadow and asked me something
straight out (be it on ARS or per E-Mail) then I will give you a
straight answer. You never have.
Nec_V20
t_shuffle,
I just listened to McSenile's acceptance blatherings. I will never
ever get those 40 minutes of my life back. I know he may have been
"enhancely interrogated" with regard to being an "enemy
combatant" (the US never declared war on North Vietnam). He has
supported the terminology in his time of power - how dare he talk
about torture and POW.
anonymou...@gmail.com
> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
>
>
> Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> branch has done many times before,
>
> More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> Corpus Christi, TX.
Look people politics is a dirty sport with Aussie rules, which
basically means no rulez........there is no left and no right just
people or groups with different agendas. Fuck I am so glad I live in
Canada because we still have an elected leader with a constitution and
a Charter of Rights and not some dictator with executive powers that
can arrest, detain and execute any person he or his backers feel fit
to murder .......no wonder $cientology has made it this far in your
country. I have nothing against America just stupid people who are so
easily conned. And mark my word if Obama does not go along with the
programme of the people who run the show (Bilderburg Group) he will
end up assassinated like the Kennedys and Martin Luther King. You
people traded your freedom and liberty for this so called security
that Bush and Murder Incorporated sold ya'll.
$CIENTOLOGY KILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$
"Fate loves the fearless."
-James Russell Lowell -
xenubarb
No we didn't. We were cheated; in part by voting machines made by
Diebold, a company in which Cheney had an interest. It'll take years to
unravel this mess. Hopefully Scientology will be as dead as its founder
by then.
--
--
barb
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.
$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser
Skipper
<e757ebb7-572b-4fa2...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
<anonymou...@gmail.com> wrote:
You should move to Russia, where they actually do have a murderous
leader and conspiracies. Your barking mad post rivals Barbara Schwarz.
Skipper
<xenu...@netscape.net> wrote:
You're as nuts as he is.
xenubarb
You don't think preloaded, hackable voting machines are cheating? And
you call ME nuts?
Nec_V20
xenubarb,
QUOTE
No we didn't. We were cheated; in part by voting machines made by
Diebold
UNQUOTE
In case you are sick of being called a conspiracy theorist with regard
to voting machines - here's your vindication:
http://leagueoftechnicalvoters.org/node/91
There is also the matter of "caging" which viewers of the BBC knew
about before the 2004 election and what the Repugs are planning to do
again in 2008 (this comes from the testimony of Monica Goodling which
you can watch on CSPAN). The report was not and has not been picked up
by the US media to any extent though.
Skipper
<xenu...@netscape.net> wrote:
Yeah, I called you nuts if you believe that. Fucking dummy Dems like
you have been the dirtiest politicians for ages. I knew a guy working
for RFK who went to black neighborhoods and handed out money for votes.
And then there was the "great" Mayor Daley, so talented he got enough
dead people in Chicago to vote it gave JFK the election.
Get a clue.
Tigger
Speculating that Marty Rathbun leaked the fact that Palin's daughter
is pregnant is abssurd.
It's also absurd that the McCain team didn't properly vet the "pick"
for V.P.
Some fawning Republicans keep saying, "she's just like us", Well
I've got to tell you, I wouldn't want a V.P., who is just like "us"
meaning people with NO real experience.
I hadn't seen or heard anything about Palin's education
so I began to wonder if she had even gone to college and/or got a
degree.
I wasn't the only one to wonder, but apparently the McCain team
didn't.
The Associated Press: VP hopeful Palin attended 5 colleges in 6
years
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjGaAjQoUCE3VQ4N3M852LEdOVtwD9304JE80
Tigger
Nec_V20
> > <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
xenubarb,
The Repugs seem to think that someone who is over 20 years younger
than McSame with as little experience as four terms in the Illinois
State legislature and one term in Congress who spoke out against an
unjustified war would never be qualified to be President. Never mind
ever becoming a great President.
Skipper
<f44bc9a1-621f-4f7e...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Tigger <Tiggeri...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Speculating that Marty Rathbun leaked the fact that Palin's daughter
> is pregnant is abssurd.
>
> It's also absurd that the McCain team didn't properly vet the "pick"
> for V.P.
>
> Some fawning Republicans keep saying, "she's just like us", Well
> I've got to tell you, I wouldn't want a V.P., who is just like "us"
> meaning people with NO real experience.
Well, that's good, since you won't be voting for Obama. Sit this one
out, or give yours to Nader.
>
> I hadn't seen or heard anything about Palin's education
> so I began to wonder if she had even gone to college and/or got a
> degree.
>
> I wasn't the only one to wonder, but apparently the McCain team
> didn't.
>
> The Associated Press: VP hopeful Palin attended 5 colleges in 6
> years
>
> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjGaAjQoUCE3VQ4N3M852LEdOVtwD9304JE80
>
> Tigger
Governor of Alaska. And YOUR accomplishments?
xenubarb
Clue:
I am not a Democrat, Skip. Never was, never will be.
Skipper
<xenu...@netscape.net> wrote:
Then get a fucking clue about all the ridiculous Dick Cheney as Darth
Vader bullshit conspiracies and start living in the real world.
anonymou...@gmail.com
> In article <Sn5wk.28226$_s1.2...@newsfe07.iad>, xenubarb
>
>
>
> <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
Look Barb is a smart lady even if she is a Republican, God/Xenu there
has to be one of you in the bunch (but you do not strike me as a gun
nut too, which Republicans tend to be). And yes everyone knows about
the election fraud that was committed by Florida and rigged voting
machines too, here in Canada we do read and think for ourselves. And
Skipper your as dumb as Republican caught with a hooker on his lap
trying to make us believe she is your daughter...just because
something is a conspiracy does not make it a theory there Skipper, so
pull your head out of your ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(political)
"In a political sense, conspiracy refers to a group of persons united
in the goal of usurping or overthrowing an established political
power. Typically, the final goal is to gain power through a
revolutionary coup d'état or through assassination.
A conspiracy is to be contrasted with a cabal. The two are similar but
have quite different connotations; in contrast to a cabal, a
conspiracy usually looks to overthrow a fixed power instead of
usurping it from within."
Now last time I checked in the 60's there was four major political
assignations in America, the Kennedys, Martin Luther King and Malcom
X.. And those are what we know of...how many people had so called
accidents, heart attacks or "killed themselves" ( hey $cientology
probably was paying attention by how many people conveniently
committed suicide in the cult and even more so after leaving the
cult). So I guess if we look at a cabal vs. conspiracy then what
happen in the sixties was a cabal and what happened with two elections
was a conspiracy then.
The American government was caught admitting many times through
declassified documents from the CIA of running false flag
operations...remember Operation AJAX were the American government took
the leader of Iran out of power after he wanted to nationalize the oil
fields which denied British Petroleum a monopoly through terrorist
attacks and spreading false rumours. Then once the Iranian leader was
jailed they helped create Savak, the Iranian secret police and
installed the Shah, and well we know what happened to the Shah when he
was no longer useful to the American government and then next an
Islamic fundamentalist government. So along comes daddy Bush who
worked at the CIA and Sadam became his creation along with many other
murderess regimes the American government installed all over the
world.
Next I will mention Gulf of Tomkin incident in the summer of 1964 in
which President Johnson passed a resolution to expand the covert war
in Southeast Asia after he said American ships were attacked, when the
opposite was true and the Americans were the attackers and others did
not to defend themselves even when fired upon. All this is has been
proved through the release of declassified documents and phone
conversations between President Johnson and Secretary of State Robert
McNamara at the time. Intelligence was proved to be falsified so LBJ
could pass his resolution so he could start the war in Vietnam. This
lie cause 58, 000 American troops to be killed and a million and a
half civilians.(But of course they were only gooks so they don't
count, eh.)
Now on to Operation Northwoods, which called for various false flag
actions, which included real or state sponsored terrorism on American
or Cuban soil. In 1967 the U.S.S. Liberty was attacked by 3 unmarked
planes which belonged to Israel , and many who were apart of that
operation had their lives threatened if they ever went public with the
truth which is America had it own troops murdered. Oh and when Kennedy
was a live he refused to put Operation Northwoods into play. And so
what if Kennedy had people paid to vote for him (last time I checked
that is the American way), and you can't even compare that to Bush and
Murder Incorporated dealings.
Fuck Skipper next you will be telling me that there was only one gun
man when Kennedy was shot......
See us Canadians tend to have boring people in power so we pay real
close attention to our neighbours politics to the to the south and we
do not censor history like your country does. Btw we are about to have
an election called because there is a minority Conservative
government, and our Prime Minister says he has loss confidence in our
coalition government. The dumb ass is grand standing, and for that, us
Canadians might elect a minority socialist government, known as the
NDP( FUCK BUSH ).
And see my dear Barb because America has her hands full the
conspirators might not be able to stop it from happening but I am sure
they will find a way for it to benefit them. Or spin it so it helps
there agenda. Oh and Skipper I am a women........yes women on the
internetz what next will happen...a women in the white house. If
McNobrain wins I bet he ends up dead in a year a convenient heart
attack or stroke) because Palin will be the prefect pawn then. Fuckin'
shades of Maragret Thatcher except with an American accent.
And lastly Barb if some Americans were as passionate as they are about
seeing $cientology held accountable for their crimes, then Bush and
Murder Incorporated should have never made it into office. See because
most Americas are obese and too fuckin' lazy, they cannot be bother to
go out into the streets and demand justice for what was done against
the American people. ( A few thousand at the GOP convention doesn't
count, that is a distraction and not true democracy in action.)
We start with the first World Trade Centre attack (funny how we find
out later that the terrorists were funded by the American government),
Oklahoma City bombings (that truck bomb was a diversion and could not
have made that kind of damage and funny how all those AFT officers
were paged not to go into work that day, and how suspect number two
never really existed after all), 9-11, and lets not forget Waco (all
those women and children being burnt to death was only their fault and
the ATF never fired on them even though F.L.I.R. technology shows
otherwise). Bush and Murder Incorporated hijacking your Constitution
and Bill of Rights with Patriot Act 1 and 2 which Republicans are big
on I hear. Big on the Patriot Act I and 2 I mean and not the
Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
I may not no a lot about $camology (because out here everyone is too
busy trolling and flaming, myself included sometimes and still talking
about the Thunderdome for Christ/Xenu sake instead of informing those
of us who have taken to dismantling Co$). I know history though nd I
also know history is written by the winners and not those who allowed
themselves to be conned. People and governments reap what they
sow...so now lay down enjoy your bed that ya'll are lying in....and
when McNoBrian drops dead from his heart attack or whatever they kill
him with I am sure the next vice president will be a Bush ( now that
Jeb is out of a job this would be real convenient).
And the last thing I would like to point out is how your dear
President sat in that lassroom in Florida for about 14 mins or so
after the first plane hit the first WTC tower...if terrorist were
coming to bomb the fuck out of America usually the president is seen
as a target and common sense would be that he is moved on to AIR FORCE
ONE ASAP, but he wasn't. First big mistake and then second mistake is
when he said he saw the first plane hit the tower and we all now that
it was not seen on live t.v.. until after it hit. See most of you
worry about election fraud when your President murdered many during
9-11 and left many to die in NOLA, Mississippi during hurricane
Katrina and Rita. I had a picture of a sign that I took when I was
there as a disaster relieve and recovery volunteer comparing the
deaths from Katrina and Rita to those lives lost in Iraq. Those
soldiers were killed over a period of years, but those people in
America who were mainly poor and black died within days. There is war
on in your own country too and ya'll turn your backs and think it is
someone else problem. This is not a bad dream that you will wake up
from even if Obama is elected and that is the biggest problem here.
While one man can inspire, it takes million to bring about a change.
Anastasia
$CIENTOLOGY KILL$, KILL$ ,KILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$
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xenubarb
Uh...for teh record, just because I'm not a Democrat does not mean I'm a
Republican, okay? I'm not.
Eldon
> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
>
> > ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> > campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> > the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
>
You might garner more credibility (which still might not be a whole
lot) if you at least compose the subject line correctly when you start
a thread. This one leads one to believe that the pregnancy of Palin's
17-year-old daughter is a rumor. Well, the rumor became an
acknowledged fact shortly after it was leaked, and I think you knew
that. The real rumor you're talking about is your suspicion that Marty
Rathbun was responsible for the leak, right?
The girl got knocked up several months ago and someone exposed the
fact, which is a far cry from trying to set up a judge by pairing him
with a prostitute.
If you would consider what you're saying before you post, people might
take you more seriously.
> >http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/01/obama-says-palins-family-is-...
>
> > Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> > #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> > investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> > It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> > branch has done many times before,
>
> > More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> > of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> > Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> > Corpus Christi, TX.
>
> >> Quote:
> >> ................."According to Variety there is chatter that it was a
> >> Barack Obama insider that leaked the pregnancy news on Bristol and
> >> Levi. The say that person is a "High-ranking member of the Church of
> >> Scientology." ...............End of Quote
> >
> > If you follow the links you'll find the entire story is a result of
> bad journalists reading stuff they don't understand too fast.
> >
> > If I understand it correctly the supposed Rathbun/Palin connection
> derives from a Google search hitting a throwaway remark by Tom Klemesrud
> on ARS for which there is no evidence at all.
> >
> > And now we've said it again! Lol.
>
> Absolutely right Hartley--there is no direct evidence to link this to
> organizers for South Texas for Obama, or to Mark C. Rathbun.
>
> However, there are some curious things...
>
> http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com/2008/09/serious-oppo-reseach-team...
>
> Tuesday, September 02, 2008
> Who is ArcXIX?
> From Agents of Goldstein:
>
> "For those unfamiliar with ArcXIX, don't feel bad. His last post on
> Daily Kos was about gay cowboy wizards, and that was all the way back in
> December, 2005. In other words, ArcXIX smells like a shill identity. In
> just 48 hours, ArcXIX turned up countless old photos of the Palin family
> and even Bristol's school records. In other words, this is not the work
> of an occasional blogger, but that of a serious opposition research team
> meant to make sure Gov. Palin's political life is nasty, brutish, and
> short."
> ...
> Posted by john marzan
> ***
>
> The scurrilous poster had pseudonyms of " ArcXIX ", or as he is also
> known, " AgentArc " ...
>
> http://wizbangblog.com/docs/Daily-Kos-Sarah-Palin-Smear.htm
>
> And the next day follow-up.
>
> http://wizbangblog.com/docs/BabyGate%202%20-%20Daily%20Kos.htm
>
> The writing style right off the keyboard of a "Chris Miller", an OSA
> insidered active in 1995 trying to "handle" the internet.
>
> ***
>
> Mark Rathbun has an affinity with the term "ARC"--it's a scientology
> term, and he has recently written about it here:
>
> http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/277790/simple_ways_for_impro...
>
> [quote]
> Hubbard called it the ARC triangle because as one of its corners -
> affinity, reality or communication - is concentrated on and increased,
> the other two elements seem to automatically expand with it. The end
> result being a greater level of understanding between two or more
> people. You can test the theory for yourself in any type of relationship.
> [unquote]
>
> Mark C. Rathbun, surfaces after many years of smearing, legally
> attacking, and perhaps illegally attacking people; with exactly these
> kinds of character assassinations, and criminal set-ups. He was #2 at
> this sadistic cult with a covert intelligence operation that he
> participated in, if not commanded. This sort of thing was his forte.
>
> Now, Mr. Rathbun is "Investigations Editor" for an underground lef-wing
> monthly newspaper in Corpus Christi, TX. The paper has no office, and no
> telephone number. He would have us believe that he is the champion for
> poor Tejanos of the area--but when has a scientologist cared or done
> _anything_ for the poor?
>
> In fact, Rathbun now in on a crusade to attack a well respected judge in
> the area, Judge Manuel Banales.
>
> http://www.wethepeoplenews.org/
>
> We've heard that kind of attack from scientology on judges before--Ben
> Krentzman, Marianna Pfaelzer, and Judge Richey, and others.
>
>
> Then Rathbun shows up as a high level organizer for Barack Obama writing
> blogs, and letters on Obama's own website with pictures of him meeting
> with people, and local politicians. He was at the event in Corpus
> Christi in February, which Obama himself attended.
>
> http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/markrathbun
>
> A McCain aid told the Wall Street Jounal that this attack on Sarah Palin
> came from inside the Obama camp.
>
> These are the sort of things that Rathbun very familiar with.
>
> Hartley, all this made me think of Mark C. Rathbun; but, personally I
> have no proof of it. It just looks, walks and quacks like the work of
> Mark Rathbun--
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rathbun
>
> More information and pictures on this ARS thread:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS177US232&q=mark+ra...
Tigger
Dear Anastasia,
Sheesh.....
Are you Linda Thompson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)
the queen of anti-government conspiracy
theories? Or have you just been reading and accepting as fact what's
been posted by anti-government types on the internet?
Sure the people in our government have made some mistakes by trusting
the wrong people and sure there have been people in our government who
have done bad things, but it is still better than most governments.
Or could you be a Scientologist? :-) How long have you been posting?
Two weeks?
FYI......OSA was out protesting the 1993 CAN conference in Minneapolis
with a rented room full of such BS and handed out packets replete with
the anti-government conspiracy theories of Linda Thompson and other
gun nuts who believe that "well-regulated militia" means every Tom,
Dick and Mary have the God given right to stockkpile as many guns as
they want without a license or background checks.
Would you rather have a government run by the gun nuts or the COS?
Have you ever read "VICTORY FOR A NEW CIVILIZATION?
RE: the OKC bombing
I am an Oklahoman and I have lived in OKC
since 1980. A relative was president of the Federal Employees Credit
Union. She was at a meeting in her office with other employees.
Suddenly everyone and everything in that room except her and her desk
disappeared through a huge hole in the floor.
Timothy McVeigh did it alone. Not the government. Not the
Muslims. There was no Arab riding in the truck with McVeigh. There
was no additional bomb planted by the government.
RE: Waco
Sure the government made some mistakes. One was relying on cult
apologists for information on how to handle a cult and a cult
leader. Another
was using tactics that shouldn't have been used. All Koresh, a cult
leader, a child abuser and a stockpiler of illegal weapons had to do
was to come out and face the charges against him. Instead he and his
followers started the fire that consumed them.
So I suggest you stop with the anti-government conspiracy theories
that you've apparently read on gun nut and/or Scientology websites.
Tiggeer (An Independent, Oklahoma woman, born and bred, and an OLD CAN
member with an ex-family member who is an OTVIII)
*********************************************
"What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth."
Old Jewish Proverb
**********************************************
Tom Klemesrud
> On Sep 4, 6:51 am, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
>> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
>>
>>> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
>>> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
>>> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
> Tom,
>
> You might garner more credibility (which still might not be a whole
> lot) if you at least compose the subject line correctly when you start
> a thread. This one leads one to believe that the pregnancy of Palin's
> 17-year-old daughter is a rumor. Well, the rumor became an
> acknowledged fact shortly after it was leaked, and I think you knew
> that. The real rumor you're talking about is your suspicion that Marty
> Rathbun was responsible for the leak, right?
>
> The girl got knocked up several months ago and someone exposed the
> fact, which is a far cry from trying to set up a judge by pairing him
> with a prostitute.
Eldon, I don't think you comprehended the words, or are maybe short on
current events. The rumor this thread is all about, is the one started
by ArcXIX aka AgentArc--that Bristol is the mother of Trig; not Sarah,
and that ArcXIX calls the vp candidate a liar in Rathbun's style.
Look, if someone is going to hire a smear artist on the level of
presidential politics, they would hire the best smear artist in the
country, if not the world. That's Mark Rathbun. And, he is now
involved in presidential politics.
Try reading it again, and click on the links this time.
Skipper
<882aac45-7656-423e...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
<anonymou...@gmail.com> wrote:
(A bunch of stuff to try to win the "craziest shitwad on Usenet"
contest and may have cinched it. )
I love it when anon losers like you post stuff like you wrote below -
it just shows how obviously insane you are.
phil scott
Whatta guy, from chief dirdbag in the cult, to selling used cars in
Virginia now possibly
moving in on world class slime status.... gotta wish him lottsa luck
comes the
class action, all those realestate fraud and cult rip off class
action suits.
Phil scott
> >> lowest order"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Tom Klemesrud
You may be confusing your dirtbags here Phil ;)
Mike Rinder is the car salesman, Mark C "Marty" Rathbun is the left-wing
underground journalist and Obama political organizer, who is not
registered to vote.
What both dirtbags need to do is tell their stories to the feds abou the
cult's criminal activities; and Obama should make it very clean he
doesn't support scientology.
The two dirtbags can't just walk away from the crimes because they are
now non-corporate "public" scientologists. I hope letterese subpeonaes
them.
There's going to be some blowback, and some may want some payback.
phil scott
yes... way too many dirtbags, not enough time to get em all separated
out.
>
> Mike Rinder is the car salesman, Mark C "Marty" Rathbun is the left-wing
> underground journalist and Obama political organizer, who is not
> registered to vote.
I wonder how long ol Marty is going ta last once expose of his long
stint
as cultie boy dirty tricks man surfaces.
>
> What both dirtbags need to do is tell their stories to the feds abou the
> cult's criminal activities; and Obama should make it very clean he
> doesn't support scientology.
Marty may have snuck up on the bammer.... this should get Marty
bounced... we'll see.
>
> The two dirtbags can't just walk away from the crimes because they are
> now non-corporate "public" scientologists. I hope letterese subpeonaes
> them.
>
> There's going to be some blowback, and some may want some payback.
payback? payback? oh nooooooo0000oooz.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
By the way, Tommy Rude, the Time reporter wrote also about my
presidential time in Germany. And he wrote falsehoods about the facts
in Germany. He didn't do any homework. His "homework" was a thorough
as the average ARS posting.
Barbara Schwarz
--
ABOUT THE AHBL AND THE VERY TWISTED BRIAN J. BRUNS :
http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/
Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.
COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> S
No offense, Obama, but it is just like this. And as far as blacks
folks are concerned, they earn their emanipation to Abe Lincoln, a
Republican not to the Democrates.
Does that posting mean that I approve of Dave Touretzky or Skip Press?
Absolutely not.
But I very much so approve of the original Marty who is not a lefty.
Barbara Graham in her own words: "Anything's legal if you don't get
caught." And: "You asshole. I was *never* a good person, you sad piece
of crap. --
Spidergraham, Chaplain, ARSCC"
More: http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/graham1.html
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/barbar...
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/index.php
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> > <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
If Barbzzzzz Babbles Graham is not a Democrate, is she then a
Communist or even worse, a German?
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 12:17 pm, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
> >> Eldon wrote:
> >>> On Sep 4, 6:51 am, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
Marty would never stick his nose in the affairs of any pregnant woman.
He is not a tattle tail as Tom KlemensRUDE,
Ike was anti-p$ych, by the way.
Tom Klemesrud
> On Sep 6, 3:29 pm, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
>> phil scott wrote:
>>> On Sep 6, 12:17 pm, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
>>>> Eldon wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 4, 6:51 am, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
>
>
> Marty would never stick his nose in the affairs of any pregnant woman.
> He is not a tattle tail as Tom KlemensRUDE,
>
>
> Ike was anti-p$ych, by the way.
>
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Barbara, you know I was referring to the other Marty--the doppelganger.
I am not talking about your husband, but the other Marty. You should
join in too. Once the doopelganger is exposed, the sooner you will get
your husband back.
One question: Do you know the original Marty's birthday?
Email it to me.
anonymou...@gmail.com
>
> read more »
Okay so you a Libertarian, that's just a smart Republican who want to
be a sinner with a gun
$CIENTOLOGY KILL$,KILL$, KILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$ too
--
anonymou...@gmail.com
Dear if you type in AnonymousNasty you will see post going back to
Feb., what changed is my email addy and so did postings. Also I have a
life the doesn't have room for my hate machine in the summer. It is to
bad you relative was killed and for that I am sorry. And I am not
supporting what David K did of course but what the government did was
murder, plain and simple. The government started the fires watch the
FLIR technology, it does not lie. I do not have arguments with others
that are not educated. And if you talk to anyone who knows about
exploses then you will know that the truck bomb could have never done
that damage in Oklahoma ....no unlike most Americans I do not take
things at face value...I read, I study and I read some more. And then
I make my own conclusions. You country is run by a bunch of liars,
thieves, and murders. So when yopur ready to debate me with some
knowledge of what you are talking about then I am right her for
it....and in the mean time help Skip pull his head out of his ass so I
can hear what he is saying
$CIENTOLOGY KILL$,KILL$, KILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$ too
--
"Fate loves the fearless."
-James Russell Lowell -
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THIS IS THE QUICK DEFINITION OF THE MINDSET WITHIN A CULT (no personal
choice allowed):
1) subjugation under stress and fatigue
2) Social disruption, isolation and pressure
3) Self criticism and humiliation
4) Fear, anxiety and paranoia
5) Control of information
6) Escalating commitment
7) Use of auto-hypnosis to induce 'peak' experiences
8) Pay to play path to enlightenment
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive your Crimes.
We do not forget your Victims.
We are Anonymous when you least expect Us.
Skipper
<6af747c7-98bd-4a1f...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
<anonymou...@gmail.com> wrote:
I see your logic skills match your spelling.
Maybe you'll get some help with all that when you get out of elementary
school.
anonymou...@gmail.com
> In article
So your grading for spell now...you have a teacher's certificate in
what state there Skipper my boy.....so I am lazy and I do not
proofread or use my spell check......so arrest me. I see you still
haven't pulled your head out of your ass, but maybe you like your head
up your ass........
$CIENTOLOGY KIL$, KILL$, kILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$ too
Eldon
> Eldon wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 6:51 am, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
> >> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
>
> >>> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> >>> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> >>> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
> > Tom,
>
> > You might garner more credibility (which still might not be a whole
> > lot) if you at least compose the subject line correctly when you start
> > a thread. This one leads one to believe that the pregnancy of Palin's
> > 17-year-old daughter is a rumor. Well, the rumor became an
> > acknowledged fact shortly after it was leaked, and I think you knew
> > that. The real rumor you're talking about is your suspicion that Marty
> > Rathbun was responsible for the leak, right?
>
> > The girl got knocked up several months ago and someone exposed the
> > fact, which is a far cry from trying to set up a judge by pairing him
> > with a prostitute.
>
> Eldon, I don't think you comprehended the words, or are maybe short on
> current events. The rumor this thread is all about, is the one started
> by ArcXIX aka AgentArc--that Bristol is the mother of Trig; not Sarah,
> and that ArcXIX calls the vp candidate a liar in Rathbun's style.
Ah, OK. Mea culpa. The big deal in the news has been Bristol's
pregnancy, so I assumed that was it.
As for her being the mother of Trig, the kid with Down Syndrome, she
would have been a really early unwed mother if that were the case.
Besides that, Down Syndrome is far more likely when the mother is over
40. See this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Trisomy21_graph.jpg
So it doesn't sound like a halfway credible rumor to me.
I did notice that Obama said he was going to get rid of anybody on his
campaign team who went after a candidate's children. But it's hard to
track down the source of a rumor on the Internet, and I imagine ol'
Marty knows how to cover his tracks by now.
banchukita
> In article <06dwk.36981$4s1.5...@newsfe06.iad>, xenubarb
>
>
>
>
>
> <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > Skipper wrote:
> > > In article <Sn5wk.28226$_s1.2...@newsfe07.iad>, xenubarb
> > > <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm an independent voter, but anytime this happens - whether it's the
dems or reps doing it - it's Not Good. I grew up in Chicago and
remember Mayor Daley "vote early and often". But now I live in
Florida, and witnessed the Day of the Hanging Chad and other
irregularities. I *witnessed* people being turned down to vote because
they shared a name with a felon on some list from Texas that Georgie's
brother bought just before the election when he was Florida gubnor.
xenubarb
Wrong. Try again. I don't belong to ANY political party. Clear?
Skipper
<dc80d9bd-29f9-49f2...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
<anonymou...@gmail.com> wrote:
Lazy and stupid. Quite a life you have there.
phil scott
Hi Barbara,
I will frame my remarks so as not to be in conflict with your own
views on the subject.
The real marty, like the real rest of us who got involved with the
corrupt version of L rong hubbard..... were
badly distored by the association....
perhaps we should not refer to the distorted versions as the
originals.... or perhaps there are ways that good
men can be displaced completely (interesting book on that 'People of
the Lie' by Dr M. Scott Peck.
accordingly the distorted version of the real marty has gone public
with his slime ball tactics.
Will the real Marty ever return? maybe, i have best wishes for you
in that regard as you seem to be on a steady
recovery from the hose job you recieved while president of scn in
Germany.
Phil scott
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 3:29 pm, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
> >> phil scott wrote:
> >>> On Sep 6, 12:17 pm, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
> >>>> Eldon wrote:
> >>>>> On Sep 4, 6:51 am, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delete.net> wrote:
>
> > Marty would never stick his nose in the affairs of any pregnant woman.
> > He is not a tattle tail as Tom KlemensRUDE,
>
> > Ike was anti-p$ych, by the way.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Barbara, you know I was referring to the other Marty--the doppelganger.
You did not make that clear in your postings. You would only invince
me if you would make that very clear in the postings, e.g.
"This posting is the person who is not the original Mark Rathbun but
stole his ID just as an impostor stole L. Ron Hubbard's ID and died
then with Vistaril in his non-existing bladder."
If you would start your postings this way, you would have a SMALL
change to convince me that you are not trying to defame the good
people.
>
> I am not talking about your husband, but the other Marty. You should
> join in too. Once the doopelganger is exposed, the sooner you will get
> your husband back.
Really?! I doubt very much that I will find Marty again unless the
SEGNPMSS and any other German secret service are convicted of having
the technology of remote controlling germs to cause heart attacks,
strokes, cancer and all other diseases. They are jealous of Marty and
I. They rather kill one or both of us than leaving us back
together.
>
> One question: Do you know the original Marty's birthday?
The SEGNPMSS and any other German secret service are very unsuccessful
in running me. I even recovered my memories. However, they were
somehow successful stealing numbers as dates from my memory. These are
the hardest to recall for me. I don't even know MY real American
birthday! I have no idea when I was really born. No kidding. Any day
could be my birthday! The good thing about this is however, that I
always can think that I am no older than 24.
Anyway, as the impostor took over Marty's ID while the real Marty is
likely incarcerated for crimes that he did not commit as the SEGNPMSS
and any other German secret services framed him, you should assume
that he is not born in May as assumed before - but on January 10, the
is the date that the fake Mark Rathbun uses.
L. Ron Hubbard's impostor Jack also used L. Ron Hubbard's date of
birth. Wouldn't be convincing impostoring if he would say, I am L. Ron
Hubbard born on April 17, wouldn't it?
Can you still follow this higher math?
Barbara Schwarz
My abusers, defamers and cyber stalkers:
Tilman Hausherr and Korey Jerome Kruse
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://stalkerkoreykruse.wordpress.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
>
> Email it to me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The SEGNPMSS and any other German secret service are very unsuccessful
in running me. I even recovered my memories. However, they were
somehow successful stealing numbers as dates from my memory. These are
the hardest to recall for me. I don't even know MY real American
birthday! I have no idea when I was really born. No kidding. Any day
could be my birthday! The good thing about this is however, that I
always can think that I am no older than 24.
Anyway, as the impostor took over Marty's ID while the real Marty is
likely incarcerated for crimes that he did not commit as the SEGNPMSS
and any other German secret services framed him, you should assume
that he is not born in May as assumed before - but on January 10, the
is the date that the fake Mark Rathbun uses.
L. Ron Hubbard's impostor Jack also used L. Ron Hubbard's date of
birth. Wouldn't be convincing impostoring if he would say, I am L. Ron
Hubbard born on April 17, wouldn't it?
Can you still follow this higher math?
Somebody has to find out who the Corpus Christ "Marty" really is. He
is as little the original Marty as the Vistaril man was L. Ron
Hubbard.
Barbara Schwarz
My abusers, defamers and cyber stalkers:
Tilman Hausherr and Korey Jerome Kruse
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://stalkerkoreykruse.wordpress.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
>
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xenubarb
LOL! Yeah, Skip...what are you, an English teacher?
NO, JUST A PROFESSIONAL WRITER, DUH!!!
Tigger
LOL....well I must say your nic, AnonymousNsty, was a good choice.
>It is to
> bad you relative was killed and for that I am sorry.
Read it again. She wasn't killed. She was the only one in the room
who wasn't killed. In fact, she traveled lots of places to speak
about McVeigh's sole act of terrorism that killed 168 Oklahomans,
inclluding 19 children.
>And I am not
> supporting what David K did of course but what the government did was
> murder, plain and simple. The government started the fires watch the
> FLIR technology, it does not lie. I do not have arguments with others
> that are not educated.
I wouldn't call reading and believing conspiracy, antii-government
types like Linda Thompson being "educated". If the government had
started the Waco fire or bombed the Murrah Federal Building, do you
really think all of the mainstream media would have ignored it?
Heck Bill Clinton was president at the time of both Waco and OKC.
Fox News would have been all over it to prove Clinton or Janet Reno
had a hand in murder.
What does your source "Linda Thompson" say about the tape recording
of the Branch Davidians inside the compound discussing how to start
the fire?
>And if you talk to anyone who knows about
> exploses then you will know that the truck bomb could have never done
> that damage in Oklahoma ....no unlike most Americans I do not take
> things at face value...I read, I study and I read some more. And then
> I make my own conclusions. You country is run by a bunch of liars,
> thieves, and murders.
"You country"??? Are you an American? If so, this is your country
too. What possible reason do you and the Linda Thompson and
Scientologists types assume the government had to piggyback McVeigh's
bomb?
>So when yopur ready to debate me with some
> knowledge of what you are talking about then I am right her for it
I really don't care to debate with someone who belileves and spews the
lies and propaganda of Linda Thompson. Been there. Done that.
LOL....when I attended the video showing of her "The Big LIe" in
Norman, Okla., sponsored, BTW, by the local NRA
(i.e., gun nuts), and questioned the truth of the video and Thompson's
creds, I was surrouned by some gun nut anti-government true believers.
who scared the bejesus out of my daughter.
> ....and in the mean time help Skip pull his head out of his ass so
I
> can hear what he is saying.
Hey, do your own dirty work (after all you're AnonymousNasty) or get a
hearing aid. :-)
Tigger
*******************************************************
"What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth.:
Old Jewish Proverb
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Nec_V20
I've been a "professional writer" for about two decades longer than
you - and made more money out of it. That doesn't give me more, it
just shows your claim up for the egoistical sham it is.
Also you are a petty pathetic little piece of refuse. You have nothing
to give because you have blown your wad instead of looking where you
could be effective.
Any Scienoborg could hand you your head in a basket.
Apart from anything else you published private information and that
makes you beneath contempt.
Obscene Dog
> I've been a "professional writer" for about two decades longer than you
> - and made more money out of it.
I love the smell of unwarranted self-importance in the morning...
Nec_V20
Obscene Dog,
yeah I only had a bomb go off about 80 yards away from me in Bonn, so
I really have no idea what it is like to get up the next morning and
carry on. How about you?
A bit of what I have written you can find in Cosmopolitan, a lot of
other stuff you can find in technical journals.
I'm sure if you study hard you will reach the level of moron someday.
Obscene Dog
> yeah I only had a bomb go off about 80 yards away from me in Bonn
Sure you have... you have imaginary friends too.
Nec_V20
Obscene Dog,
I'm coming up for fifty years old and had a few things happen during
my lifetime - it's called experience.
Obscene Dog
And imagination.
Nec_V20
Obscene Dog,
QUOTE
And imagination.
UNQUOTE
Thanks for the compliment, but when you get a few more years behind
you, then you'll find that reality is nearly always stranger than
fiction.
BTW, if you ever think that someone is not telling the truth about
something ask them what else they were doing that day or at that time
- if the person says they can't remember then that is a pretty sure
indicator that something is remiss with the story.
Another thing is, if you want to lie, then tell the truth and nothing
but the truth because it is guaranteed that no one will believe you
and you can never be caught out. My grandfather taught me that early
on and one of my best friends Mario showed me how it was done - he was
the master, he could tell the complete truth about something that
happened whilst I was there, and even I didn't believe him from the
way he told it (and no he did not embellish, he just told the truth
with the tell-tale signs that it was a lie, the guy is brilliant).
Obscene Dog
You're boring me now. Go away.
Nec_V20
Obscene Dog,
QUOTE
You're boring me now. Go away.
UNQUOTE
No, I'm not boring you. It's just that you are a baseline fuckwit and
your "sure fire" expectorations have shown you for the ineptness you
and your shallow ilk routinely display.
TTFN
HAND
Obscene Dog
No, really. Your walls of text and fantasies are fucking boring.
Now go away.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
After all, he has nothing to do with your onscene people and losers.
Barbara Schwarz
--
Nec_V20
Obscene Dog,
If you had any more phlegm in your posts you'd qualify as an honorary
Belgian citizen.
Obscene Dog
Are you still here?
Nec_V20
Obscene Dog,
you sound somewhat peeved. Was it something I said?
Bruce
> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
>
> http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/01/obama-says-palins-family-is-...
>
> Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> branch has done many times before,
>
> More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> Corpus Christi, TX.
Which daughter?!?
The newborn, or the one that's pregnant at 17? They are
both equally susceptible to rumor mills. Take yer pick..
Peace be with you all..
They call me Bruce
Bruce
> > <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >> Skipper wrote:
> >>> In article <Sn5wk.28226$_s1.2...@newsfe07.iad>, xenubarb
> >>> <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> anonymousnast...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> ..."A rumor circulating the blogosphere claims someone inside the Obama
> >>>>>> campaign leaked the pregnancy to the media. An unnamed McCain aide said
> >>>>>> the same to Reuters, according to the news wire service’s report..."
>
> >>>>>>http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/01/obama-says-palins-family-is-...
>
> >>>>>> Did Mark C. Rathbun, organizer for "South Texas for Obama" (and former
> >>>>>> #2 a the Church of Scientology); use his connections to Scientology's
> >>>>>> investigating arm "OSA" to out Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy?
>
> >>>>>> It certainly is the kind of thing that Scientology covert operations
> >>>>>> branch has done many times before,
>
> >>>>>> More disturbing is the question that Rathbun might have set up some sort
> >>>>>> of dirty tricks department for Barack Obama using the guise of
> >>>>>> Investigations Editor at the Left-wing hewspaper "We the People", in
> >>>>>> Corpus Christi, TX.
> >>>>> basically means no rulez........there is no left and no right just
> >>>>> people or groups with different agendas. Fuck I am so glad I live in
> >>>>> Canada because we still have an elected leader with a constitution and
> >>>>> a Charter of Rights and not some dictator with executive powers that
> >>>>> can arrest, detain and execute any person he or his backers feel fit
> >>>>> to murder .......no wonder $cientology has made it this far in your
> >>>>> country. I have nothing against America just stupid people who are so
> >>>>> easily conned. And mark my word if Obama does not go along with the
> >>>>> programme of the people who run the show (Bilderburg Group) he will
> >>>>> end up assassinated like the Kennedys and Martin Luther King. You
> >>>>> people traded your freedom and liberty for this so called security
> >>>>> that Bush and Murder Incorporated sold ya'll.
>
> >>>>> $CIENTOLOGY KILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$
>
> >>>>> "Fate loves the fearless."
> >>>>> -James Russell Lowell -
> >>>> No we didn't. We were cheated; in part by voting machines made by
> >>>> Diebold, a company in which Cheney had an interest. It'll take years to
> >>>> unravel this mess. Hopefully Scientology will be as dead as its founder
> >>>> by then.
> >>> You're as nuts as he is.
> >> you call ME nuts?
>
> > Yeah, I called you nuts if you believe that. Fucking dummy Dems like
> > you have been the dirtiest politicians for ages. I knew a guy working
> > for RFK who went to black neighborhoods and handed out money for votes.
> > And then there was the "great" Mayor Daley, so talented he got enough
> > dead people in Chicago to vote it gave JFK the election.
>
> > Get a clue.
>
>
> I am not a Democrat, Skip. Never was, never will be.
>
> --
> --
> barb
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
>
> "$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
> terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
> opportunity.
>
> $cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
> -Chris Leithiser
Hehhehh, changed yer name, but that is all that was changed.
Still "scientolgy Barb" the LEGION!
;-)
Bruce
Bruce
Maybe Palin married her cousin without knowing about it.
Or maybe she jest consumes too much Alcohol like GW Bush.
If only Bush was pregnant as evidence!
Lord knows what Palin's Daughter has done since then.
Did they ever find the Father, and give DNA samples
as proof?!?
Jest more rumors for the Grist Mill.
;-)
Cheers..
Bruce
Nec_V20
Bruce,
QUOTE
Maybe Palin married her cousin
UNQUOTE
No, that was Mr. Rudolf "Noun, Verb, 911" 9iu11ani who married his
cousin - although that appears to be a rather cynical way of going
after the southern vote.
As late as March of this year Palin was talking at a secessionist
group.
The abstinence only sure didn't work for her daughter.
She herself is stupid because the chances of bearing a child with
Down's Syndrome is about 10% when the mother is over 40 - so perhaps
she should have looked into the matter of birth-control herself.
The chances of McSame dying in the next four years is about 1 in 3.
Her record in office is abysmal, and not really the kind of person you
want one heartbeat away from the presidency,
Bruce
Matbe Sun Myung Moon will get the vote!
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030728Baker.html
You jest NEVER know!!!
;-)
If Obama is elected, and he get's assassinated before call
to office who then gets the vote?!?
We shall see.. ..my prognosticating has been right more
than once. It's all in the cards really. Ya jest have to know how
to read them.
Nec_V20
Bruce,
my money is on Obama being assassinated sometime between the 8th and
16th of October.
Two years ago Bush slipped in a Presidential Directive (called
National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive) one
and a half years ago which essentially granted him dictatorial power
and eliminating Posse Comitatus in the event of a national emergency
(Bush gets to decide what that is according to the Presidential
Directive BTW) allowing him to bypass the Congress in the process.
You work out the math,
Bruce
Actually according to youtube, it may be as late as December.
Something about Bible codes. Not that I profess it,
yet I think the current regime will do what ever they
have to in order to maintain their political interests.
> Two years ago Bush slipped in a Presidential Directive (called
> National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive) one
> and a half years ago which essentially granted him dictatorial power
> and eliminating Posse Comitatus in the event of a national emergency
> (Bush gets to decide what that is according to the Presidential
> Directive BTW) allowing him to bypass the Congress in the process.
Yeah I know all about it. It gives the current president the ability
to declare Martial Law. Again go visit YouTube for the details.
>
> You work out the math,
I already have, it's other people that need to!
Peace be with you ..
..and thanks for the post.
They call me Bruce
Nec_V20
Bruce,
if it happened in December Bush would already be essentially out of
office and Biden would go up to the position of President Elect. So
that is a non starter.
Bush doesn't want to, nor can he afford to, give up power. If Obama is
scragged before the election (far enough in time from it to let the
protests mount into open riots with a little help from some agent
provocateurs), but close enough for the confusion to override. Bush
can postpone the elections indefinitely. And there is nothing Congress
can do about it.
McSame and his "Caribou Barbie" McMILF are going to implode in the
next two weeks or so. The 20% the Repugs have as their "base" (it's
quoted as 40% only because half of eligible Americans usually don't
vote) will not have the impact they have had in the past. Also they
are not as united as in the past two elections.
The Repugs are showing how desperate they are by the stupidity of
their campaign.
Quite likely he will throw in the towel which would leave you probably
with a Romney-Huckabee ticket with no chance whatsoever of winning.
Barbara Schwarz
> On Sep 12, 2:09 pm, Bruce <cisco1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Shame on you!
The original Marty Rathbun does not run a political campaign and he is
not in the business of spreading rumors about anybody, unlike YOU.
Barbara Schwarz
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/5ebb265c28144cd
Nec_V20
wrote:
BarfS,
do you actually read posts before you reply?
Bruce
Not necessarily. Biden wouldn't be sworn in until January.
Apparently you haven't seen the wording of the recent Laws
passed by Bush, with the help of McCain, Leiberman, and Kennedy
Giving the CURRENT president wide sweeping and complete
control of the US Government. I'm telling you it's a setup.
When it goes down is just a matter of time. Before the Dems
can get into office would be as good a time as any. Of course
if McCain should win, then the PNAC won't have to bother..
..YET!
Nec_V20
Bruce,
in a recent interview with McCain:
Interviewer: "Senator McCain, on a lighter note, which do you prefer,
Boxers of Briefs"?
McCain: "Depends"
Bruce
Scientology Barb is a Mailbot, that aughta be called LEGION
she has so many scientologists for mouths.
Most people simply ignore her. Or comeback with something smart.
Jest to let ya know..
Cheers..
;-)
Bruce
Bruce
Heheheh.. ..I wasn't ready for that one.
Too early in the morning.
;-)
Bruce
kennethno...@gmail.com
SP = Suppressive Person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
--
Scientology Rulz!
http://www.scientologyrulz.com
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Sep 7, 4:30 pm, xenubarb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
Just correcting the false subject line.
What for a weird headline is that anyway? And somebody can't spell and
type.
Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant. So, it is no rumor.
A rumour would it if it would be not confirmed.
And again, the real Marty Rathbun would never spread a rumor and would
not stick his nose into the affairs of pregnant young women.
Skipper
<1a708179-569c-4398...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
<kennethno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarah Palin = Initials "SP"
>
> SP = Suppressive Person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
>
> She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
> books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
>
> Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
> mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
>
> So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
What "it" all means is that Matt Damon (whom you quoted) is an idiot.
kennethno...@gmail.com
> In article
> <1a708179-569c-4398-8dfa-edefe9c88...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,> > SP = Suppressive Personhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
>
> > She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
> > books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
>
> > Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
> > mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
>
> > So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
>
> What "it" all means is that Matt Damon (whom you quoted) is an idiot.
LOL You saw that too? He's got a good point though.
SNL did a Palin sketch tonight. Pretty funny -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nMuR1TFq1s
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, OD, DTS
"Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
Heh, I shouldn't have to say I have a weakness for not only the name Sarah,
but her initials. :)
--
SP Goodman
The Usually Right "Reverend" Norle Enturbulata DDT, DTS, OD
*
http://www.flickr.com/photos/enturbulata
http://www.youtube.com/Enturbulata
http://tinyurl.com/yre7c6
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill
them immediately and completely..."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Science of Survival", p117
Skipper
<238d995f-9a71-40bd...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
<kennethno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 13, 10:13 pm, Skipper <skipSPAMpr...@yahoo.not> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1a708179-569c-4398-8dfa-edefe9c88...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > <kennethnoisewat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Sarah Palin = Initials "SP"
> >
> > > SP = Suppressive Personhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
> >
> > > She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
> > > books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
> >
> > > Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
> > > mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
> >
> > > So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
> >
> > What "it" all means is that Matt Damon (whom you quoted) is an idiot.
>
>
> LOL You saw that too? He's got a good point though.
He's never got a good point. He's a political idiot with a continual
bad attitude, just another Hollywood dork.
Ball of Fluff
"Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
news:140920080725287457%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
Yeah, he's an asshole.
Ball of Fluff
"Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
I mean, Jeebus, who cares if she's Christian? Not all Christians believe the
world is 5000 or 6000 or 8000 years old. And if they do, so what? They
function in society just fine.
Seems like Damon and other Liberal twits are just pulling imaginary beliefs
out of their collective asses and assigning them to Sarah Palin.
This is very interesting. As we Scn'ists would say, we're getting some TA
here in this presidential election. I honestly thought (though I wouldn't
have voted for him) that Obama was likely to win. Now, I don't. If he did,
and I were to meet him, though, I'd say exactly what I'd have said to McCain
or anyone else had it been them in that position "You're my president." In
Obama's case, that comment would have been prefaced by "I didn't vote for
you but..."
C
R. Hill
> "Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
> news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
>> In article
>> <1a708179-569c-4398...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> <kennethno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah Palin = Initials "SP"
>>>
>>> SP = Suppressive Person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
>>>
>>> She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
>>> books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
>>>
>>> Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
>>> mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
>>>
>>> So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
>> What "it" all means is that Matt Damon (whom you quoted) is an idiot.
>
> I mean, Jeebus, who cares if she's Christian? Not all Christians believe the
> world is 5000 or 6000 or 8000 years old. And if they do, so what? They
> function in society just fine.
>
Yeah, they function just fine in society. You should rather mind that
they want to impose *their* views on the rest of society.
Palin, on Creationism: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of
information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our
schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
http://scienceblogs.com/afarensis/2006/10/27/intelligent_design_and_the_ala/
Problem is Creationism never passed the test of scientific scrutiny, and
simply can't: it's *intrinsically counter-science*, hence it has no
standing as a valid scientifically-sound alternative view, as long as it
doesn't pass the scrutiny test.
When a school is found to teach Creationism as part of a science
curriculum, I hope the Scientologists, Raelians and such will lobby to
have their views taught as well.
<snip>
--
Ray.
Nec_V20
wrote:
> "Skipper" <skipSPAMpr...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
>
> news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <1a708179-569c-4398-8dfa-edefe9c88...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,> >> SP = Suppressive Personhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
>
> >> She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
> >> books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
>
> >> Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
> >> mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
>
> >> So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
>
> > What "it" all means is that Matt Damon (whom you quoted) is an idiot.
>
> I mean, Jeebus, who cares if she's Christian? Not all Christians believe the
> world is 5000 or 6000 or 8000 years old. And if they do, so what? They
> function in society just fine.
>
> Seems like Damon and other Liberal twits are just pulling imaginary beliefs
> out of their collective asses and assigning them to Sarah Palin.
>
> This is very interesting. As we Scn'ists would say, we're getting some TA
> here in this presidential election. I honestly thought (though I wouldn't
> have voted for him) that Obama was likely to win. Now, I don't. If he did,
> and I were to meet him, though, I'd say exactly what I'd have said to McCain
> or anyone else had it been them in that position "You're my president." In
> Obama's case, that comment would have been prefaced by "I didn't vote for
> you but..."
>
> C
>
> www.claireswazey.com
Claire,
the fact of the matter is that McMILF has come out and said that she
supports the teaching of creationism in the science class.
This has wide ranging effects on the education corricullum because all
science flatly contradicts the biblical "account" of the Earth as we
know it.
This would lead to for instance astrology being taught as an
alternative to astronomy.
The fact of the matter is that Americans go to school less days per
year than nearly any other nation, and their time shouldn't be wasted
in science class by the teaching of biblical fairy stories. End of
story.
Skipper
<rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
> > "Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
> > news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
> >> In article
> >> <1a708179-569c-4398...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> >> <kennethno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sarah Palin = Initials "SP"
> >>>
> >>> SP = Suppressive Person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
> >>>
> >>> She believes dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago and she also bans
> >>> books. She was Mayor of a town with 6,300 residents.
> >>>
> >>> Horrible Disney movie, possible reality........ "Down to earth Hockey
> >>> mom becomes President of the United States when McCain crokes."
> >>>
> >>> So, what does it all mean? Read Dianetics and find out for yourself!
> >> What "it" all means is that Matt Damon (whom you quoted) is an idiot.
> >
> > I mean, Jeebus, who cares if she's Christian? Not all Christians believe
> > the
> > world is 5000 or 6000 or 8000 years old. And if they do, so what? They
> > function in society just fine.
> >
>
> Yeah, they function just fine in society. You should rather mind that
> they want to impose *their* views on the rest of society.
No, they don't. Sure, some of them do, and that's true of any religion.
I've never met any Christian, however, who wants to take over a whole
planet like $cientology does. I've met Muslims who do, though.
There are wacky Christian sects but don't try to lump the entire
religion in with $cientology and the Raelians - you just look like an
idiot doing that.
For all the church's faults, Catholic charities do more for people than
any other charitable group in the U.S. Keep that in mind.
Tom Klemesrud
Here is what caused me some alarm...don't know about the varacity of the
site:
CNP members have also included not only the Rev. Sun Myung Moon
Unification Church, definitely a bizarre formation whose founder openly
states that he is superior to Christ. The CNP as well reportedly
includes the Church of Scientology.
Patty Pieniadz
She's a pentacostal that has a Master Commission program to turn young
people
into leaders.
They plan on taking over the world and spreading the word of the lord.
They are
serious fanatical cultists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE4dTxPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE4dTxPA
Skipper
<ppie...@gmail.com> wrote:
What a load of druggie-made madness.
Yeah, that wacky Jesus. He amassed so much money and kept it all for
himself. And such bad information in those Gospels!
Most of you nuts on this group (who are, I might add ALL Democrats and
in the more crazy end, atheists like Fred Rice) will believe anything.
At least you do some good, exposing $cientology.
BTW, ALL the major Founding Fathers were devout Christians, and the
U.S. became the greatest country on Earth. It's a conspiracy!
Of course, if you actually did some research, you'd find that the
excerpts of Sarah Palin are out of context.
Not that I'd expect you to do anything that radical.
R. Hill
My answer might read as if I lump all Christian together, that sure is
not my view (and I find that annoying myself when one does). Of course,
by "they" I meant the ones promoting Intelligent Design as a valid
scientific theory.
I pointed out to Ball of Fluff that Sarah Palin's views *are* of public
concern because of statements she made previously. That, people should
care (Ball of Fluff: "Who cares?")
If Creationism is taught in science class, expect the Scientologists to
push even further their views too, using the *exact same arguments* as
the Intelligent Design proponent that "alternative views" need to be
taught, regardless of the merits as valid scientific theories. That's my
point.
>> Palin, on Creationism: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of
>> information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our
>> schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
>>
>> http://scienceblogs.com/afarensis/2006/10/27/intelligent_design_and_the_ala/
>>
>> Problem is Creationism never passed the test of scientific scrutiny, and
>> simply can't: it's *intrinsically counter-science*, hence it has no
>> standing as a valid scientifically-sound alternative view, as long as it
>> doesn't pass the scrutiny test.
>>
>> When a school is found to teach Creationism as part of a science
>> curriculum, I hope the Scientologists, Raelians and such will lobby to
>> have their views taught as well.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> www.claireswazey.com
--
Ray.
Nec_V20
> >>>news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
> >>>> In article
> >>>> <1a708179-569c-4398-8dfa-edefe9c88...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,> >>>>> SP = Suppressive Personhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
>
> >> Problem is Creationism never passed the test of scientific scrutiny, and
> >> simply can't: it's *intrinsically counter-science*, hence it has no
> >> standing as a valid scientifically-sound alternative view, as long as it
> >> doesn't pass the scrutiny test.
>
> >> When a school is found to teach Creationism as part of a science
> >> curriculum, I hope the Scientologists, Raelians and such will lobby to
> >> have their views taught as well.
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >>>www.claireswazey.com
>
> --
> Ray.
Ray,
the Creationists are a small but dangerous and dangerously deranged
minority in the US. In fact the trial that led to the SCOTUS decision
that Creationism had no business in the science class (Edwards v.
Aguillard) was originally supported by many Evangelical Churches
because they saw it as promoting one very narrow form of religion in
the classroom.
As recently as 2005 in the trial of Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover
Area School District, et al. showed how the proponents of Creationism
try to establish their superstitions in the science class by imposing
it from above (pardon the pun).
Even though the Judge (John E. Jones III) was a staunch conservative
(he was appointed by George W. Bush) and a Lutheran, his ruling was
totally devastating to Creationism (or as they tried to relabel
themselves Intelligent Design). The 139 page ruling (http://
en.wikisource.org/wiki/
Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District_et_al.) which is very
readable was a damning indictment of ID.
This will not stop these people however from trying to impose their
views on the vast majority and with one of these nutjobs in the White
House you might as well kiss science education in the US goodbye.
Nec_V20
> >> >news:130920082213010861%skipSP...@yahoo.not...
> >> >> In article
> >> >> <1a708179-569c-4398-8dfa-edefe9c88...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> Problem is Creationism never passed the test of scientific scrutiny,
> >> and simply can't: it's *intrinsically counter-science*, hence it has
> >> no standing as a valid scientifically-sound alternative view, as
> >> long as it doesn't pass the scrutiny test.
>
> >> When a school is found to teach Creationism as part of a science
> >> curriculum, I hope the Scientologists, Raelians and such will lobby
> >> to
> >> have their views taught as well.
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> >www.claireswazey.com
>
> She's a pentacostal that has a Master Commission program to turn young
> people
> into leaders.
>
> They plan on taking over the world and spreading the word of the lord.
> They are
> serious fanatical cultists.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE4dTxPAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE4dTxPA
Patty,
the most egregious of McMILF's tenure in office as mayor was the
requirement which she introduced for rape victims to pay for their own
medical examination.
This is just obscene - there is no other word which could be remotely
applicable in condemnation.
If she were elected she would be one heartbeat away from being
President. McCain has a 1 in 3 chance of making through the next four
years alive, and considering the stresses the Presidency brings with
it, those odds could be even shorter.
Putting a clueless vindictive religious fanatic in the highest office
in the US is not something which should be even remotely contemplated
by the American electorate.
Ball of Fluff
"Skipper" <skipSP...@yahoo.not> wrote in message
Oh, I think there're some Christians who are exceedingly evangelical and
want to "save" others to the point where they don't care whom they trample
over in their rush to spread the word o' god. But I think they're in the
minority. This isn't the 15th century.
Most Christians aren't evangelical and many evangelical Christians are far
more sensitive and fair than their post medieval counterparts.
Instead of braying about what Sarah Palin or other Christian politicians
might want to do to people, interested parties should ASK. Not all
Christians are like all others and most are pretty well live and let live.
Also, Matt Damon's a shit because he didn't ask or research whether or not
Sarah Palin's Christian beliefs are fundamentalist or not. Many Christians'
are not, they believe evolution is possible, etc. In fact, my Mom and Dad
had a book in their collection written by a Jesuit in the 1920's wherein he
opined that evolution was possible. He had an intelligent design spin on it,
to be sure, but he sure wasn't denying that the world could be more than
6000 years old.
C
Ball of Fluff
"Patty Pieniadz" <ppie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6j5c80F...@mid.individual.net...
Wanting to "disseminate" Xtianity is not the same as wanting to create
theocracies.
C