FLASH!!! Critic arrested on suspicion of murder
ARS_incites_hate
Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF FREYA
Did the father kill the nineteen year old?
Freya N. was only 19 years old when the ambulance was called to her death on the
25th of December 1999. When the medical man entered the room, a bad feeling
came over him: In the whole house in the small village near Forchheim, the song
"Oh Haupt voll Blut und Wunden" (Oh Head full of blood and wounds) by Bach
resounded deafeningly.
The father of the deceased, Jakobus N., and his son Nils (18) were standing
motionless in the room -- no crying, no sorrow. The doctor called the police.
The autopsy established that Freya N. had drowned. Three quarters of a year
later, her death is still considered unsolved and the public prosecutor is
investigating.
Yesterday morning, the police picked Jakobus N. up in handcuffs -- he was sent
to a psychiatric clinic because he was considered to be a public menace.
For several years, his family was subject to his methods of torture. He
tortured his wife Carla (named changed) with gushes of cold water. The 60 year
old: "What if he has done the same to Freya?"
On that day in December, after Freya's death, Jakobus N. gave a letter, written
by Freya, to the criminal police: "This morning, I took another cold bath of the
minutes," his daughter had written the morning of the day of her death. Which
19 year old voluntarily takes a cold bath in winter? And notes that down? The
answers can be found with Carla N., Freya's mother. After years of torture, she
took refuge in the womens' house in Nurnberg in 1997. When the artist met her
husband 24 years ago, he was a member of the Scientology sect. Jakobus' life
goal, to move up in the sect hierarchy, was however prevented by sect leaders.
In that time, Freya and Nils were born, and in 1983, Flavia. At that time, the
family was living in Heidelberg. When the weak baby was sick and could hardly
breathe, Jakobus forbid calling a doctor or using nose drops, and Carla obeyed.
Ten days after her birth, the child suffocated. The doctor attested the sudden
death of the child. In the Internet, he later distributes his delusion. "L.
Ron Hubbard was trying to kill him hereafter," Carla N. describes his frame of
mind. Freya had to update the web pages daily. Carla N. succeeded in running
away to the women's house, and the children remained with the father. Just after
Freya's death, the public prosecutor proposed the father be arrested. Jakobus N.
remains in freedom, the police were searching for evidence.
"Did Jakobus N. torture her to death?" a question the mother has been asking
herself over and over since then. The senior public prosecutor Friedrich Kraus
is still investigating the death of Freya.
mikyd...@my-deja.com
ARS_incites_hate <ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
I would hardly characterize Koos as a "critic." He was a
scientologist all the way. If the story is true and if Koos in
fact murdered his daughter, then the blame can be well laid on the
steps of scientology who undoubtedly interfered with Koos
obtaining timely and effective treatment for his delusions.
And if true, this is another blow against the criminal mind-numb
known as scientology and reinforces the need to get out the
critical message that scientologist takes both your money and
your life of both you *and* your loved ones.
MD
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Before you buy.
Martin O'Brien
<ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
>September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
>family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
>a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
>
Yeah, too bad those deranged cultists spread so much bile in a.r.s.
Martin O'B
Kaeli
with? It definitely wasn't ARS. It sounds like Koos has been going this
way for the longest time.
mikyd...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> ARS_incites_hate <ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > This is a story Tilman failed to report.
> >
> > Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
> I would hardly characterize Koos as a "critic." He was a
> scientologist all the way. If the story is true and if Koos in
> fact murdered his daughter, then the blame can be well laid on the
> steps of scientology who undoubtedly interfered with Koos
> obtaining timely and effective treatment for his delusions.
>
> And if true, this is another blow against the criminal mind-numb
> known as scientology and reinforces the need to get out the
> critical message that scientologist takes both your money and
> your life of both you *and* your loved ones.
>
> MD
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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these I place, Between myself and the powers of darkness."
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lame...@cotse.com
>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> ARS_incites_hate <ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>
>> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>
>I would hardly characterize Koos as a "critic."
Really? What does it take these days? Making bomb threats?
>On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:39:00 +0200, Ambassador for Mankind (Koos Nolst Trenite)
><Ambassador...@AmbassadorForMankind.net> wrote:
>Destroy Scientology AT ALL COST
>with love,
>Koos
>On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:38:36 GMT, phils...@hotmail.com (Phil Scott) wrote:
>GOOD Going Koos... I guess we will be seeing you at a picket shortly.
Bill Cole
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
Describing Koos as a 'critic' is a bit silly. Koos has always demonstrated
here that he is a convinced and ardent Scientologist. He happens also to
be a dissident Scientologist and quite blatantly insane. This is a man who
seems to believe that he has done auditing on Hubbie himself repeatedly in
the past few years. The idea that one can get anything useful from
Scientology's 'auditing' marks him as a Scientologist. The idea that he
can do it on the departed soul of Hubbard himself marks him as a complete
loon.
That is of course well-known to anyone who has read a.r.s for very long. I
doubt that anyone who has followed this newsgroup for more than a few
months would be really shocked if in fact it turns out that Koos is the
person cited in the report you quoted and is in fact dangerously
criminally insane.
--
Bill Cole
Record holder: lamest news server in the Freenix top 10k
MAPS worker bee geek, but definitely NOT speaking for MAPS
barb
of too much scientology processing and his mind has turned into a
puddle. And what gives you reason to assert that this poor individual is
Koos?
ARS_incites_hate wrote:
>
> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
> A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
> September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
> family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
> a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
>
--
barb
"Car salesmen are after your money, Christians are after your soul, but
the Church of Scientology wants both."
--Hartley Patterson
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
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ptsc
>ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
Since this dipshit admittedly altered this news story, could someone with access
to this paper report this story unaltered and with the proper details?
ptsc
Reverend Fredric L. Rice
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
>September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
>family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
>a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
>ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
>THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF FREYA
>Did the father kill the nineteen year old?
I must confess. I killed her. And Nichole Simpson.
Funny that a Scientologist admits he's a hate monger in a.r.s. Ironic.
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Reverend Fredric L. Rice
>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> ARS_incites_hate <ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>I would hardly characterize Koos as a "critic." He was a
>scientologist all the way.
Koos _remains_ a Scientologist, isn't it?
Reverend Fredric L. Rice
>On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:14:12 GMT, mikyd...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>,
>> ARS_incites_hate <ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>>I would hardly characterize Koos as a "critic."
>Really? What does it take these days? Making bomb threats?
When they start tieing women up and starving them to death over 17
days, or when they start putting women into electric vaults to
electrocute them, you'll get back to us, I'm sure.
Thanks.
Reverend Fredric L. Rice
>"Byll23" <byl...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000925222813...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
>> Koos is a critic? I thought he claimed to be Ron's one true succesor? If
>Koos
>> _isn't_ a murder suspect, isn't this post libel?
>(a) Find a lawyer that is willing to take on $cientology.
>(b) Find a lawyer that is willing to take on Koos as a client. ("No,
>evidence gained while auditing Elron in another solar system after he died
>is *not* admissible!")
Koos would not be able to pass the court-mandated psychological evaluation.
Yeah, most Scientologists wouldn't be able to, either.
Mandible
deom...@aol.comgetlost says...
>koos considers himself to be the pre-eminent scientologist in the world.
Are you under pressure to increase your standing with the critics? I can think
of no other reason to post something so utterly senseless. Koos is a lunatic
critic just a bit more unbalanced than Roland Rashleigh-Berry.
>In other words, the fascists and satanists have free game,
>then, and indeed, the idea of Love and compassion,
>and the idea of detecting and FACING evil, these ideas
>have no part in their game.
>It is, in effect and in truth, a game of hiding evil and
>hiding sources of evil, and hiding the most vicious
>criminals on Earth, and THAT is Scientology.
>Koos Nolst Trenite - Ambassador for Mankind
>Message-ID: <39B22F59...@AmbassadorForMankind.net>
pli...@rocketmail.com
says...
>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>, ARS_incites_hate
><ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>
>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>Describing Koos as a 'critic' is a bit silly. Koos has always demonstrated
>here that he is a convinced and ardent Scientologist.
You have graphically demonstrated how truly ignorant you are when it comes to
actual knowledge of Scientology. What you have just said is as ludicrous as
declaring yourself, "a convinced and ardent Scientologist." And *that* we know
is an impossibility.
Kelly Martin
and
> I would think you are heading for some serious down time on your progress
up
> the bridge.
I think it's far too soon to even assume that this article ever existed, or
even if it did that it's actually talking about Koos.
As far as I'm concerned, the most probable conclusion is that the whole
thing is a troll.
Kelly
Kelly Martin
I stopped reading at this point.
Kelly
Ambrose Andrews
ARS_incites_hate wrote:
>
> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
This seems like a good moment for me to publically
thank the Church of Scientology and the Citizen's
Commission on Human Rights for their valiant,
ongoing, neverending efforts to protect Koos, and
the rest of the human race from psychiatric help.
-AA. (Olanz.)
DeoMorto
He is raving nuts so the claim does have some validity.
A shill posts an article which shows what his/her cult actually produces in its
members and publicly exposes scientology for what it is.
Good job, oh anonymous one.
There was probably a really good reason that OSA did not want this posted and
I would think you are heading for some serious down time on your progress up
the bridge.
You twit.
Semper ubi sub ubi
Byll23
Dave Bird
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
>family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos.
Uhunh I suppose he is still posting to the Internet now from the
hospital computer? I cannot be 100% sure, but I think this is a troll.
>This tragic event, was the result of
>a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
Look, cunt, people don't like a bunch of thieves locking up a woman
without proper food and water until she dies of thirst: if you call
that spreading hate then hate [read "sanity"] has spread to everyone
except your fraudulent cult. Furthermore it is a matter of record
that Koos went insane -- whether or not caused by that -- while he was
a member of Cof$, and long before he was a contributor to a.r.s.
In article<39CFB89D...@primus.com.au>, Ambrose Andrews
<ambr...@primus.com.au> writes:
>This seems like a good moment for me to publically
>thank the Church of Scientology and the Citizen's
>Commission on Human Rights for their valiant,
>ongoing, neverending efforts to protect Koos, and
>the rest of the human race from psychiatric help.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reasons for suspecting this is a troll.
(1) The person has a native German name "Jackobus N_______".
The sock puppet says "this must be the real name of the person
who posts as Koos Nolst Trenite", because the daughter is
called Freya. However, Jon Atack and others have met
Koos Nolst Trenite, a Dutch citizen who spent some time
in England and now lives in Germany, who really is
named Koos [pronounced "caws" like a crow does] Nolst Trenite.
(2) Koos lives in the "town" of Gaiganz, which is like the
"town" of Brooklyn -- actually part of a larger conurbation;
it is not a small village, and AFAIK it is not near Forchheim.
(3) I suppose the Abendzeitung ["Evening News"] must be
the Munich Evening News -- I don't know whether or not
such a paper exists, but we could check.
(4) It is now a little after the end of Monday 26th September
and the sock puppet quotes a paper dated Friday 22nd September
as saying "yesterday morning," the morning of Thurs 21st Sept,
"the police picked Jakobus N up in handcuffs."
(5) Below we have an article posted at 19:35 hours GMT+2hours
[17:35hrs GMT] Thursday TEATIME, by Koos Nolst Trenite. Bit
difficult if he was locked up on Thursday MORNING, wot?
Note also that the host is in FRANKFURT, which iirc is also
where Gaiganz is located.
In article<39CA6260...@AmbassadorForMankind.net>, Ambassador for
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Koos
> _isn't_ a murder suspect, isn't this post libel?
(a) Find a lawyer that is willing to take on $cientology.
(b) Find a lawyer that is willing to take on Koos as a client. ("No,
evidence gained while auditing Elron in another solar system after he died
is *not* admissible!")
I hope this is untrue. Granted Koos' posts were more than a little
unbalanced, but they were funny in a sad sort of way. If it is true, it
will be $cientology's (and Elron's) final victory over him.
Ron of that ilk.
Unknown
makes your "tech" look bad.
On 25 Sep 2000 11:45:57 -0700, ARS_incites_hate
<ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
>September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
>family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
>a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
>
>ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
>
>THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF FREYA
>
>Did the father kill the nineteen year old?
>
Tilman Hausherr
<8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
>September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
>family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
>a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
>
>ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
I don't get the "Abendzeitung", it doesn't appear in the press search
engines. Nor is this story related to ars - everyone knows that I have
criticized Koos for years and that many others did. Ars folks have
always characterized Koos as a nutcase. My Koos FAQ even have the words
"I fear the worst" for the children. This was written years before the
alleged death.
However there is more to tell...
1)
I got two phone calls a few months ago, that did tell about this alleged
death (and the information given is the same as in the article!).
However they were somewhat suspicious - for example, one of the people
promised to follow-up with some papers, but never did. My thought was:
if the story was true, then the state attorney would do his job anyway;
if the story was false, then I would libel Koos by telling it.
2)
A few years ago, when Jutta left Koos and he claimed that she was a
"criminal", I did send a sample of Koos' rants to the police there, but
never heard anything from them.
Tilman
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8qoblv$c00$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
>
> fact murdered his daughter, then the blame can be well laid on the
> steps of scientology who undoubtedly interfered with Koos
> obtaining timely and effective treatment for his delusions.
>
> And if true, this is another blow against the criminal mind-numb
> known as scientology and reinforces the need to get out the
> critical message that scientologist takes both your money and
> your life of both you *and* your loved ones.
Melikes the fact that admitting that such a place as ARS could be the cause
of a murder would put scientology hate policies, rules, ethics, discuissions
and all the DA packs, OSA's confidential materials, at great risk of
becoming proofs of scientology being a source of murderers.
Morality:
Each time one reads something from them, it's good to revert it to know what
THEY do or did.
roger
Reverend Fredric L. Rice
>In article <20000925201124...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
>deom...@aol.comgetlost says...
>>koos considers himself to be the pre-eminent scientologist in the world.
>Are you under pressure to increase your standing with the critics? I can think
>of no other reason to post something so utterly senseless. Koos is a lunatic
>critic just a bit more unbalanced than Roland Rashleigh-Berry.
Koos is a Scientologist who -- like most Scientologists -- hate what
their managers are doing only Koos isn't afraid to say so.
Steve Zadarnowski
>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
I don't think so. He isn't nuts in the completely mindless
violent cretin sense, he's just nuts in the usual Scieno
way of trying to audit out the BTs and talk to Hubbard.
S
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Bill Cole
(Byll23) wrote:
>Koos is a critic? I thought he claimed to be Ron's one true succesor?
Not exactly. Koos seems to currently believe that LRH turned evil around
1965. However, Koos does seem to believe that he is the 'Ambassador for
Mankind' and that LRH's silly 'technology' is a great tool for finding
truth and making people more sane. He is not a particularly good example
of that.
Dave Bird
>On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:27:22 +0100, Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article<8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>, Idiot_makes_up_shite writes:
>>>
>>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>>>September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
>>>family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos.
>>
>> hospital computer? I cannot be 100% sure, but I think this is a troll.
>
His last posting was at 7pm on Thursday 21st September, and a
newspaper dated Friday the 22nd of September supposedly says
that YESTERDAY MORNING (the MORNING of Thursday 21st September)
Jacobus N_____ was taken away in handcuffs.
So he was taken into a mental hospital before noon, and back
posting on the a.r.s. by 7pm? Surely some contradiction....
Besides, Koos ["cores"] Nolst Trenite is not a made up name
for use on the Internet, because friends of mine met a real person
of that name in the 1970s. I suppose it is just possible that he
only uses his real name on the Internet, and tells everyone else
he is "Jackobus N____". But it's getting unlikely, isn't it??
In article<39D0332E...@sympatico.ca>, yduzitmatter
<yduzit...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>I have just spent about two hours searching the net for any such article
>as claimed in the original post. The Abendzeitung does exist - I found
>the website but there was no mention of such an article that I could
>find. My German is fairly fluent but I may have missed something the
>URL is
>http://www.abendzeitung.de/
So, no such article in the MUNICH Abendzeitung.
Also I'm pretty sure Koos lives is a suburb of FRANKFURT am Main....
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<Mandibl...@newsguy.com> writes:
>In article <20000925201124...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
>deom...@aol.comgetlost says...
>
>
>of no other reason to post something so utterly senseless. Koos is a lunatic
You repeat yourself: pre-eminent Scientologist, pre-eminent lunatic,
same thing surely.
Anonymous
In article<cpVF$AF6t$z5E...@xemu.demon.co.uk>, Dave Bird
<da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article<39CFB89D...@primus.com.au>, Ambrose Andrews
><ambr...@primus.com.au> writes:
>>
>>This seems like a good moment for me to publically
>>thank the Church of Scientology and the Citizen's
>>Commission on Human Rights for their valiant,
>>ongoing, neverending efforts to protect Koos, and
>>the rest of the human race from psychiatric help.
Surely people who think they are aubergines should not just get
medical treatment to restore them to normality? Surely they should
be put on their own in a quiet place until they calm down or die
of thirst, then made to give up all their money to learn shouting
at ashtrays or how to exorcise the dead space-aliens (BTs) from
all over their body... on the principle of a big scratch to cure
a small itch, the greater craziness meant to drive out the lesser.
A sledgehammer to cure a nut so to speak. Sure, that makes sense :->
Jeff Lee
> ARS_incites_hate <ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>
>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>
> violent cretin sense, he's just nuts in the usual Scieno
> way of trying to audit out the BTs and talk to Hubbard.
I'm not so sure about that. Check out Koos' homepage:
Follow the link to "English pages" ("Deutsche Seiten" brings up a 404
error). It brings up a page which, among other things, claims that "Koos
is at the moment in a mental hospital, and will be staying there for an
unknown amount of time." (The text of this page was also emailed to me,
purportedly by Noel Nolst Trenite.)
Furthermore, the link to Koos' "Ambassador to Mankind" pages, which was
working last night, also brings up a 404 error.
Last night, when I discovered this thread, I decided to do a little
looking around in Koos' "Ron's Inspector" bulletins; difficult as they
were to wade through, some of them do seem to corroborate some of the
facts of this alleged article, though it's quite possible that they were
the *source* of the "article's" facts.
Of course, it could also be that some cracker hit Koos' site, put up a
fake page and deleted others, emailed the text of the fake page to any
email addresses found there, and then posted a bogus message on ars. But
why anyone would want to do that is beyond me.
--
Jeff Lee shi...@gate.net http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/
"The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality
is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes."
Eric Katt
: What ever gave you the idea Koos is a critic? He is obviously a product
: of too much scientology processing and his mind has turned into a
: puddle. And what gives you reason to assert that this poor individual is
: Koos?
If the stupid nut cult wants to include ex-members as among their
"8 million strong ranks" <guffaw> well they just have to include the
Koosbot.
Checking out www.ambassadorformankind.org, it might just be true that Koos
permanently blew a gasket. Sounds like the guy put his family through hell
- reminds me of Lil' Wannabe-Hitler Miscavige.
E
: ARS_incites_hate wrote:
:>
:> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
:>
:> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
:>
:> A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
:> September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
:> family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
:> a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
:>
:> ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
:>
:> THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF FREYA
: --
Tommy
>
You just don't get it, do you? Critics don't take orders (like you do),
they don't report to anyone (like you do), therefore there is no one to
put pressure on (as pressure is put on you to produce).
Stop projecting your insanity onto others. Your problems are not theirs.
> I can think of no other reason to post something so utterly senseless. Koos is a lunatic
> critic just a bit more unbalanced than Roland Rashleigh-Berry.
Koos likes to audit. You do, too. Hopefully your hold on reality (what
am I saying? Locomotives on Venus and Piltdown Man??) is a little more
secure.
Tommy
--
"It's doubtful anyone would heed a failed
businessman with his own "religion" and other failed sci-fi interests."
"Dorsai666" Dan Bryenton, posted to a.r.s.
William Barwell
>In article <bill-25090...@fireproof.scconsult.com>, bi...@scconsult.com
>says...
>
>>
>>>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>>
>>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>>
>>here that he is a convinced and ardent Scientologist.
>
>You have graphically demonstrated how truly ignorant you are when it comes to
>actual knowledge of Scientology. What you have just said is as ludicrous as
>declaring yourself, "a convinced and ardent Scientologist." And *that* we know
>is an impossibility.
>
Koss was as ardent a Scientologist as any the ever walked
on Planet Teegeeack. It was Koos who for years now has
used his E-meter to audit Hubbard's thetan at a galaxy far, far away.
Even though booted from Scientology for being kookier and
more troublesome than they could handle, Koos has never doubted
the E-meter or Hubbard's basic claims, despite his delusions.
Koos took the line of 'research' the insane Hubbard
started and took it to the farthest reaches, but make no
mistake, Koos kookery was not different in kind, just in
its intensity.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
William Barwell
Byll23 <byl...@aol.com> wrote:
>Koos is a critic? I thought he claimed to be Ron's one true succesor? If Koos
>_isn't_ a murder suspect, isn't this post libel?
I think about every long time critic here has at one point or other in
the past acquired Koos' disdain, has alledgedly been remotely
audited by Koos and found by Koos E-meter to have
been a high ranking Nazi in an earlier lifetime.
Koos was a true believer in the power of the E-meter.
The E-meter is never wrong. Koos learned that from Hubbard.
William Barwell
Phil Scott <phils...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 27 Sep 2000 21:43:26 -0500, wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com (William
>>SubGenius Pope of Houston
>>Slack!
>
>management of the cult... upper management is just as insane as Koos
>is today, and with a similar body count. Same phenomena as with
>Hubbard, screaming rages, abuse, captivity and murder.
>
>The difference with Koos was he posted his insane conclusions, in the
>cult its 'confidential'
Today I found an e-mail in my box from the son of Koos.
Koos has apparently been instiutionalized after a long
period of abusing his family.
Unless this e-mail is a hoax, something odd is going on here.
I HOPE Koos has not done what has been claimed to Freya.
I hope he is not irretrievably over the edge.
William Barwell
Koos has been institutionalized.
If this is a hoax, it is a very elaborate one indeed.
I suspect it is true, Koos has probably been institutionalized,
it isn't exactly a surprise, though if so, I feel bad for the
poor old sod.
pli...@rocketmail.com
wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com says...
On 27 Sep 2000 22:08:10 -0500, wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)
wrote:
>In article <39d2b2e7...@news.tdl.com>,
>Phil Scott <phils...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On 27 Sep 2000 21:43:26 -0500, wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com (William
>>Barwell) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8qpar...@drn.newsguy.com>, <pli...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <bill-25090...@fireproof.scconsult.com>,
>>>>>>>>bi...@scconsult.com says...
>>>>
>>>>>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>, ARS_incites_hate
>>>>><ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>>>>>
>>>>>Describing Koos as a 'critic' is a bit silly. Koos has always demonstrated
>>>>>here that he is a convinced and ardent Scientologist.
>>>>
>>>>You have graphically demonstrated how truly ignorant you are when it comes
>>>>to actual knowledge of Scientology. What you have just said is as ludicrous
>>>>as declaring yourself, "a convinced and ardent Scientologist." And *that*
>>>>we know is an impossibility.
<snip>
>
>Today I found an e-mail in my box from the son of Koos.
>Koos has apparently been instiutionalized after a long
>period of abusing his family.
>
>Unless this e-mail is a hoax, something odd is going on here.
>I HOPE Koos has not done what has been claimed to Freya.
>
>I hope he is not irretrievably over the edge.
That's what you say when you helped provide the impetus? You never cared about
him. In fact all you lost was target for your egotistical jeers.
From: wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)
Subject: Re: KOOK DAY 2,000
Date: 17 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4EF4D2535937BE1B.67980ED5...@lp.airnews.net>
sci.skeptic,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.fan.earl-curley,alt.paranormal
In article <vn5bks8iqcgg1fu5c...@4ax.com>,
Garrison Hilliard <garr...@efn.org> wrote:
>Only a fortnight away, folks... get your party supplies now!
>
A bottle of cheap wine..... In memorium.
Sigh, my other fave kook, Thomas K. (Kook) Odell has
finally stopped posting, Curley's still dead,
and Koos Nolte Trenite, Ambassador for Man
no longer posts to alt.religion.scientology.
We need more kooks.
Phil Scott
Barwell) wrote:
>In article <8qpar...@drn.newsguy.com>, <pli...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>In article <bill-25090...@fireproof.scconsult.com>, bi...@scconsult.com
>>says...
>>
>>>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>, ARS_incites_hate
>>><ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>>>
>>>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>>>
>>>Describing Koos as a 'critic' is a bit silly. Koos has always demonstrated
>>>here that he is a convinced and ardent Scientologist.
>>
>>You have graphically demonstrated how truly ignorant you are when it comes to
>>actual knowledge of Scientology. What you have just said is as ludicrous as
>>declaring yourself, "a convinced and ardent Scientologist." And *that* we know
>>is an impossibility.
>>
>
>Koss was as ardent a Scientologist as any the ever walked
>on Planet Teegeeack. It was Koos who for years now has
>used his E-meter to audit Hubbard's thetan at a galaxy far, far away.
>Even though booted from Scientology for being kookier and
>more troublesome than they could handle, Koos has never doubted
>the E-meter or Hubbard's basic claims, despite his delusions.
>Koos took the line of 'research' the insane Hubbard
>started and took it to the farthest reaches, but make no
>mistake, Koos kookery was not different in kind, just in
>its intensity.
>
>Pope Charles
>SubGenius Pope of Houston
>Slack!
Dear Pope, you say that only because you were not in the upper
management of the cult... upper management is just as insane as Koos
is today, and with a similar body count. Same phenomena as with
Hubbard, screaming rages, abuse, captivity and murder.
The difference with Koos was he posted his insane conclusions, in the
cult its 'confidential'
Phil Scott
Byll23
>In article <20000925201124...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
>deom...@aol.comgetlost says...
>
>>koos considers himself to be the pre-eminent scientologist in the world.
>
>Are you under pressure to increase your standing with the critics? I can
>think
>of no other reason to post something so utterly senseless.
Maybe 'cuz Koos _did_ claim such a thing? Repeatedly?
>Koos is a lunatic
>critic just a bit more unbalanced than Roland Rashleigh-Berry.
>
Are the two conditions of "preeminant scientologist" and "lunatic critic"
mutually exclusive?
Boudewijn van Ingen
Barwell) wrote:
>In article <39d2b2e7...@news.tdl.com>,
>Phil Scott <phils...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Today I found an e-mail in my box from the son of Koos.
>Koos has apparently been instiutionalized after a long
>period of abusing his family.
>
>Unless this e-mail is a hoax, something odd is going on here.
>I HOPE Koos has not done what has been claimed to Freya.
>
>I hope he is not irretrievably over the edge.
I'm sorry, but your hope apparently seems in vain. ;-(
>Pope Charles
>SubGenius Pope of Houston
>Slack!
Groeten,
Boudewijn.
lame...@cotse.com
wrote:
>In article <8qpar...@drn.newsguy.com>, <pli...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>In article <bill-25090...@fireproof.scconsult.com>, bi...@scconsult.com
>>says...
>>
>>>In article <8qo6h...@drn.newsguy.com>, ARS_incites_hate
>>><ARS_incites...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>>>>
>>>>Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
>>>
>>>Describing Koos as a 'critic' is a bit silly. Koos has always demonstrated
>>>here that he is a convinced and ardent Scientologist.
>>
>>You have graphically demonstrated how truly ignorant you are when it comes to
>>actual knowledge of Scientology. What you have just said is as ludicrous as
>>declaring yourself, "a convinced and ardent Scientologist." And *that* we
>>know is an impossibility.
>>
>
>
>Koss was as ardent a Scientologist as any...
You've been around ars since at least '94 right, William Barwell? Its not that I
think even you believe your own rhetoric anymore but this sort of senile
commentary does show that you are starting to lose it.
Phil Scott
Pope Charles said
>>Koss was as ardent a Scientologist as any...
Lameduck culties replies:
>You've been around ars since at least '94 right, William Barwell? Its not that I
>think even you believe your own rhetoric anymore but this sort of senile
>commentary does show that you are starting to lose it.
William was correct as usual... Koos believed that what the meter
said was true. he had Hubbards brainwash up his ass clear to the end
even though he came to hate the man and see many of his fatal errors.
Koos was in the final analysis still stuck to Hubbards dogma of hate
and vengence and the gloriousness of ones own ego... a fatal set of
predilections. imho
Phil Scott
Shy David www.xenu.net
wrote:
> > Look, cunt,
> I stopped reading at this point.
Yes, it's addressed to Barbara Bush, not you.
> Kelly
---
"I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm
David Rice, "rogue canceler."
"Scientology is 1% artificially flavored religious product. It is 99%
crime syndicate. I have no interest in the 1%. Get it?" --- barb
m.c. dipietra
pli...@rocketmail.com escribe en 9/28/00 2:29 AM:
the Pope wrote:
>
>>
>> I hope he is not irretrievably over the edge.
>
> That's what you say when you helped provide the impetus? You never cared about
> him. In fact all you lost was target for your egotistical jeers.
And what did you do to help Koos?
Or Charles Manson? Or Lisa McPherson? Or anyone else knocked off kilter by
Hubtek?
Isn't sympathy supposed to be "low-toned"?
http://mp3.com/MaggieCouncil free mp3s/RealAudio!
M.C.DiPietra <mdip...@earthlink.net>, SP4, KoX http://www.xenu.net
"Hell, if you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
Dave Bird
The next word is people, P-E-O-P-L-E, which means lots of human
beings. Keep up the effort (I assume somebody is reading this to
you at the moment) and after a time you WILL be able to read
to the end of the sentence.
Dave Bird
<kma...@kiva.net> writes:
>> There was probably a really good reason that OSA did not want this posted
>and
>> I would think you are heading for some serious down time on your progress
>up
>> the bridge.
>
>I think it's far too soon to even assume that this article ever existed, or
>even if it did that it's actually talking about Koos.
>As far as I'm concerned, the most probable conclusion is that the whole
>thing is a troll.
You are good at missing the point, aren't you? I said most strongly
of all that it was a troll because of the apparent contradictions.
But I now believe it's true. The posting times hours after Koos
was in the laughing academy must have been waiting in the out-tray,
then sent (and time-stamped) when someone else logged the machine on.
Kelly Martin
news:VOA3mRFx...@xemu.demon.co.uk...
> You are good at missing the point, aren't you? I said most
strongly
> of all that it was a troll because of the apparent contradictions.
You're assuming that I replied to your post to say I disagreed with
you. Either that, or you're just a complete moron. The again, the
latter conclusion does appear to be the most probable one, under the
circumstances.
Kelly
Dave Bird
<kma...@kiva.net> writes:
>"Dave Bird" <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:VOA3mRFx...@xemu.demon.co.uk...
>> You are good at missing the point, aren't you? I said most
>strongly
>> of all that it was a troll because of the apparent contradictions.
>
>You're assuming that I replied to your post to say I disagreed with
>you. Either that, or you're just a complete moron.
Uhunh. Well, on the objective evidence, the complete moron
must be the person whose remarks bear no relation either to
the reality or to the foregoing discussion.
So, let's get this right. When you said............
In article<VOA3mRFx...@xemu.demon.co.uk>, Dave Bird
<da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>I think it's far too soon to even assume that this article ever existed, or
>>even if it did that it's actually talking about Koos.
>>As far as I'm concerned, the most probable conclusion is that the whole
>>thing is a troll.
>
> You are good at missing the point, aren't you? I said most strongly
> of all that it was a troll because of the apparent contradictions.
> But I now believe it's true.
.....you were not in the slightest denying my statements stating I
now believed that the story was true, and that I had been mistaken
[though not without some grounds] to at first think it was false.
By the time you wrote this, anyone on the ball had enough evidence
before them to see that the story was in fact true and the apparent
contradictions had been resolved.
William Barwell
<lame...@cotse.com> wrote:
>>>You have graphically demonstrated how truly ignorant you are when it comes to
>>>actual knowledge of Scientology. What you have just said is as ludicrous as
>>>declaring yourself, "a convinced and ardent Scientologist." And *that* we
>>>know is an impossibility.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Koss was as ardent a Scientologist as any...
>
>You've been around ars since at least '94 right, William Barwell?
That's Mr Pope Charles to you, anonymous coward boy.
Its not that I
>think even you believe your own rhetoric anymore but this sort of senile
>commentary does show that you are starting to lose it.
I lost it long ago, you never had it. Koos went so far overboard,
he apparently brutalized his family and killed his own daughter.
Koos isn't funny anymore.
That sort of brutal behavior is typical in Scientology's
seo org and 'advanced' orgs, we have been regaled with
tales of bizarre brutality, collousness and rank stupidity in Scientology
for years. Scientology has left a long line of broken lives, suicides,
PTSIII's and ruined people behind it.
Koos was just follow the familiar line of behavior he learned from
Hubbard's insane cult.
He lost it, but so did Hubbard and so have the many who more or
less aped Hubbard's insane and psychotic abuse of family, follwers and
anybody who ever got in his way.
Your cult sucks, even you deep down know it.
The insanity comes when you suppress that obvious bit
of reality until you can become as callous and abusive and make a proper
tool for the cult to use in this manner.
Koos was once, mildly amusing, but he certainly is not now.
And like most loonies, criticism or pointing out flaws do not help his
kind. Not much I can do for people like him at long distance.
But long ago, I stopped responding to him. Either teasing him, or feeding
his madness, refusing to feed his ego which took criticism all
too often as a sign he was doing something Hubardarian and was
being attacked because he was such a genius amongst evil
SP controlled by implants.
Perhaps if more had followed my example, Freya might still be alive,
Now, what do you suggest to end the abuses, the uglibness, the
exploitation, the disconnections and other nonsense Scioentology high
ranking Koos types inflict on trusting Scientologists daily?
Koos madness was not different from these in kind, just intensity and
details.
William Barwell
Phil Scott <phils...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:34:21 -0400, <lame...@cotse.com> wrote:
>
>Pope Charles said
>>>Koss was as ardent a Scientologist as any...
>
>Lameduck culties replies:
>>You've been around ars since at least '94 right, William Barwell? Its not that I
>>think even you believe your own rhetoric anymore but this sort of senile
>>commentary does show that you are starting to lose it.
>
> William was correct as usual... Koos believed that what the meter
>said was true. he had Hubbards brainwash up his ass clear to the end
>even though he came to hate the man and see many of his fatal errors.
>
>Koos was in the final analysis still stuck to Hubbards dogma of hate
>and vengence and the gloriousness of ones own ego... a fatal set of
>predilections. imho
Hubbard had a very 18th century view of the Universe.
He posited a Universe of cause and effect that mandated
any being who saw his way out of the illusions Hubbard
theorized would be attacked mindlessly by automatons
running implants and other control devices.
It was an 18th century clockwork world.
He though he could come up with a clockwork scheme
to whirr and chime his way to the home Universe.
All he did was create a Universe of delusions
and clockwork hate for bogeymen of his own creation.
You can see that on the streets of Clearwater apparently.
Clockwork Scientologists with clockwork programs,
reliable, limited, easily manipulated at a low level
by simple phrases or actions.
John C. Randolph
ARS_incites_hate wrote:
>
> This is a story Tilman failed to report.
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
Nice try, clambot, but Koos is one of yours.
He was probably always a bit loopy, but elron really sent him off the
deep end.
It's really a shame that your criminal nut-cult put such a terror of
psychiatry into him that he never sought competent professional help
before it came to this.
-jcr