The Guardian about scientologist anti-prozac lawsuit

Chip Gallo

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There was a Scientologist named "Skip Murgatroyd" just like the name of the
attorney in paragraph seven. Wonder if they are one in the same?

Chip Gallo

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> Drug giant faces huge lawsuit: 'Prozac miracle' could end in disaster
>
> The Guardian
> 6.9.2001
>
> By Sarah Boseley
>
> A major lawsuit has been launched against the British pharmaceutical
> giant GlaxoSmithKline on behalf of a group of people who say they
> became chronically addicted to an antidepressant drug in the same
> class as Prozac.
>
> The case, which has been filed in California, is the first ever to
> claim damages for addiction against one of the drug companies that
> have made billions from SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake
> inhibitors) - the class of drug of which Prozac is the best known -
> and which were hailed as "wonderdrugs" when they first hit the
> market in the 1980s.
>
> The drug is known as Seroxat in Britain and Paxil in the US. There
> are 35 people in the class action at the moment - from a website
> designer to a bank fraud investigator and a senior airforce officer
> - but many more are expected to join it. All were prescribed Paxil/
> Seroxat for mild depression or anxiety and none was told they might
> become hooked.
>
> When they tried to stop taking it, they suffered violent and
> disturbing symptoms, including jolting pains in the head, vertigo,
> loss of coordination, abdominal discomfort, flu symptoms, agitation
> and confusion.
>
> The lawyers involved say the action could be as big as tobacco
> litigation. Since news of the SSRI action emerged in the US a week
> ago, over 1,500 people have called the offices of the Los Angeles
> law firm involved telling of similar experiences. Some have been
> seriously distressed.
>
> Many say their problems were wrongly ascribed to other things by
> doctors who are unaware of the potential for addiction of the drug.
> One had a pacemaker fitted, which has since been removed, some were
> given electric shock therapy and some thought they had brain
> tumours.
>
> "We have had a heck of a response," said Skip Murgatroyd, the
> attorney from Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford and Schiavo, leading
> the case. "It is unprecedented for us. Some of these people are in
> such bad shape that they can't get off the drug without professional
> help. Some have been on it for 10 years.
>
> "We're going to ask GlaxoSmithKline to set up centres all over the
> US to help them." Hundreds of thousands are believed to be
> suffering.
>
> Concern over the potential for addiction of the SSRIs has been
> growing in recent years. Charles Medawar of the UK watchdog
> organisation Social Audit said: "I would think that the scale of the
> problem in the UK is comparable and I can't see a lawsuit not
> happening here. I think people are extremely angry. It was obvious
> this was going to happen two to three years ago, but the Medicines
> Control Agency - the regulators - have done nothing to forestall
> it."
>
> The lawsuit alleges that the manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, has
> deliberately failed to warn doctors and patients that Paxil/Seroxat
> can cause severe withdrawal reactions. It says that the company has
> wrongly claimed the bad reactions are caused by a relapse into
> depression when people stop the drug, yet some people experience
> symptoms when they stop taking the drug which they did not have
> before they first took it.
>
> The US lawyers allege that all the SSRI class of antidepressants
> have the potential to cause withdrawal reactions when people try to
> stop taking them, but that Paxil/Seroxat is the worst. The drug,
> which has the generic name of paroxetine, is at the top of a league
> table produced by the World Health Organisation which records
> complaints from 60 countries of bad reactions to medicines.
>
> Venlafaxine, which has the brand name Effexor, is second. A British
> man, Steve Whiting, secured legal aid to bring a case over addiction
> to Effexor in this country against its manufacturer, Wyeth- Ayerst.
> Prozac (fluoxetine) is in seventh place.
>
> One of the reasons that Paxil/Seroxat causes so many problems, said
> Mr Medawar, is that it is as widely used - if not more widely - than
> Prozac. It is prescribed not just for mild depression but for a
> range of anxiety and mood disorders, such as obsessive compulsive
> disorder and "social anxiety disorder" - for people who feel panicky
> at the thought of mixing at parties.
>
> But crucially, he said, the problems show up when people try to stop
> taking Paxil/Seroxat because it has a shorter half-life than most of
> the other SSRIs. That means it clears the body faster and so it is
> more obvious that fatigue and pains are related to quitting the
> drug. With SSRIs that linger in the system for longer, by the time
> the symptoms appear it may seem that depression has set in again -
> and so the doctor's answer is another SSRI prescription.
>
> GlaxoSmithKline insists there is no problem with its drug. "There is
> absolutely no reliable scientific evidence that Paxil is addictive
> or leads to dependence," said a spokesman.
>
> He added: "As far as we're concerned, all of the regulatory bodies
> are quite happy with the product."
>
> But Social Audit, which has monitored antidepressant drugs for
> decades, sees history repeating itself. Morphine was used for years
> to treat opium addiction. Barbiturates, found to be horribly
> addictive, were replaced by the benzodiazepines - such as Librium,
> Valium and Mogadon - which were liberally prescribed as safer and
> non- addictive. Then came Ativan, which like Paxil/Seroxat had a
> short half-life, and the symptoms of benzodiazepine dependence
> became clear.
>
> The SSRIs have largely taken their place, but according to Mr
> Medawar, little has changed.

Tilman Hausherr

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On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:21:52 -0400, "Chip Gallo"
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>There was a Scientologist named "Skip Murgatroyd" just like the name of the
>attorney in paragraph seven. Wonder if they are one in the same?

Yes it is him. His real name is George Murgatroyd 3.

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>>There was a Scientologist named "Skip Murgatroyd" just like the name of
>>the attorney in paragraph seven. Wonder if they are one in the same?
>
> Yes it is him. His real name is George Murgatroyd 3.

Isn't he the same attorney who tried to deny he was a Scientologist? I
thought you had a tangle with him, Tilman.

Deana
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:21:52 -0400, "Chip Gallo"

<cga...@deletethisnewsguy.com> wrote:

>There was a Scientologist named "Skip Murgatroyd" just like the name of the
>attorney in paragraph seven. Wonder if they are one in the same?

They are.

This is Scientology lawyer and IAS Patron George W. "Skip" Murgatroyd
III.

He is also a Slatkin victim. For some reason my post on the subject
of Murgatroyd has "disappeared" from Google groups. I'll repost
tomorrow under separate header.

ptsc

Tilman Hausherr

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On 7 Sep 2001 20:22:03 -0400, mir...@nospamearthlink.net (Deana M.
Holmes) wrote in <Xns9115B12385E30m...@205.232.34.12>:

No I didn't, that was that "Spadolini" guy. He just didn't want to be
listed on that clam shyster list.

Tilman

ptsc

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:39:55 -0400, ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alis DOT net> wrote:

>This is Scientology lawyer and IAS Patron George W. "Skip" Murgatroyd
>III.

Here's my original post which had vanished from Google Groups for no good
reason.

I suppose it needs to be put back. I wonder if Google Groups is now editing at
will for the crime cult to help them conceal their crimes, even though they
won't do anything about the sporge that still pollutes their archives.

This is a repost of my original message, which includes two iterations of the
"Scientology Shyster's List" as well as every other non-redundant mention of the
crime cult lawyer George W. "Skip" Murgatroyd III, the cocksucking Scientology
crime cult legal whore who threatened lawsuits against people who discussed his
extensive history with the crime cult of Scientology, as well as his bullshit
lawsuits on behalf of the crime cult of Scientology, as well as how he was cited
for ambulance-chasing for exercising ethics typical of a Scientology crime
cultist in his legal practice. The Indiana Bar penalized Murgatroyd for his
illegal ambulance-chasing and solicitation of clients within the state of
Indiana. He is not the only Scientology crime cultist lawyer sanctioned for
blatant ambulance-chasing. John Coale, husband of Greta van Susteren, also
shares this dubious honor.

Needless to say, lawsuit threats aside, the cultist is obviously a cultist, as
he is a Patron of the IAS, meaning he has not only purchased a lifetime
membership in the crime cult group the "International Association of
Scientologists" but has in addition thrown away $40,000 for absolutely nothing
so he can be listed in inscrutably tiny print in issues of crime cult magazine
Impact. I don't know who this crime cult fuckup thought he was fooling by
denying to be a member of the Mafia cult of Scientology, or if he is responsible
for it disappearing from Google groups, but the crime cultist can be absolutely
certain the information will continue to be out there, whatever insane lies he
tells.

---

A bit over a year ago, Disturber of the Peace was distributing his CO$ Shyster
list listing all lawyers who have whored for the crime cult of Scientology.
One of these scumbags was George W. Murgatroyd. Murgatroyd went utterly
bugfuck and flatly denied the allegation, sending threatening letters and
harassing DP at work.

DP eventually removed him from the list, then put him back, then later put him
back in an editorial note with an explanation of what had gone back and forth.

Here are some of the letters from this loser lawyer. Well, it turns out the
goddamn lying bastard is a Cornerstone Member of the group of contributors to
the Super Power building!

Here is a listing of other information about this asshole, including the
Shyster List that included him, as well as information on his failed lawsuits
and other cocksucking legal whore activity on behalf of the cult of
Scientology.

>From til...@xenu.com Fri Mar 21 23:05:50 1997
From: til...@xenu.com (Tilman Hausherr)
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In <19970321183...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jim...@aol.com
(JimDBB) wrote:

>
>Paul asks how many of the scientology lawyers are actually scientologists?
>
>Kendrick Moxon is for sure. I should imagine that Helena is and Earl
>Cooley. Edelson certainly acts and talks like one. They should all be
>disbarred.

Moxon and Bowles and Bartilson are. Helena and E.Coli are too, there is
no doubt. Other clam attorneys are John "Bhopal" Coale his wife Greta "I
like the ethics" van Susteren, George "Prozac" Murgatroyd, Fenton Jones
and a few others. Btw Coale just had a "big win" against Tobacco (L&M).
Elron would fart in his grave if he knew that...

Rod mentioned that E.Coli seems to be retired. It is impossible to find
him at the WEST legal database (I used his real name of course).

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>From war...@electrotex.com Tue Aug 12 06:05:54 1997
From: Warrior <war...@electrotex.com>
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Subject: Re: Lisa Marie's Attorney
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In article <33f34cf8...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de says...
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>In <5smcb6$p...@drn.zippo.com>, Warrior <war...@electrotex.com> wrote:
>
>> John Coale is formerly of the all Scientologist lawfirm Coale,
>> Michael Kananack & Skip Murgatroyd on Wilshire Blvd, LA Calif.
>
>Yeah... the lawfirm was later named "Kananack, Murgatroyd, Baum &
>Hedlund"; now it has a third name "Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford &
>Downey", and a website http://www.bhagd.com/attorneys/ . The big
>question is whether "Baum" is the same Michael Baum who is an unindicted
>co-conspirator in snow white.

I'm pretty sure it is the same person - just not sure enough to
state it as a fact.

I have a picture of him. Too bad I don't have a scanner!

What I can tell you is that his full name is Michael L. Baum.

The firm was a partnership of professional corporations
and consisted of at various times: (known years listed)

John P. Coale, Esq. 1987-88
Michael Jesse Kananack, Esq. 1980-96
George (Skip) W. Murgatroyd III, Esq. 1983-96
Michael L. Baum, Esq. 1986-96 (in 1984 was only a "law clerk")
Robert Max Klein, Esq. 1985-86
Neal Sobol, Esq. 1987-89
Dominique Hawker, Esq. 1987
Craig Snyder, Esq. 1987
Judith Katz, Esq. 1988-89
Eric D. Goldner, Esq. 1988-89
Kathryn Hazeem, Esq. 1988-89
Thomas M. McGreal, Esq. 1988-89
Robert Carlin, Esq. 1988-89
Thomas G. Witkop, Esq. 1987-88
Paul Hedlund, Esq. 1988-96
Robert Nolan Conrad (Of Counsel) 1984-87
Michael Cholodenko, Esq. (Of Counsel) 1984-86
Shirley J. Weiner (Of Counsel) 1987
Robert Foss, Paralegal/Law Clerk 1987-88
Charles (Chuck) J. Judge, Law Clerk 1987-88
Sheila Beam, Paralegal 1987-88
Marlene (Mo) Foss, Office Manager 1987-88/ Senior Office Mgr 1988
Mimi Eagleton, Office Manager 1986/ Executive Assistant 1987
Gabrielle Hanley Crittenden, Paralegal 1984
Susan Hatcher 1987-88
T.E. Roberts 1987
Tammy Sanders 1987
Kim Butler 1987
Gayle Fulkes 1987
Julie Wernett 1987-88
Brian Garcia 1988
Gary Brown 1988
Jacqueline Brown 1987
Cynthia Katkish 1987
Karen Barth 1987-88
Allison Randall 1988
Bridget Williams 1988

I have obtained pictures of most of the above individuals.

Most, if not all, were Scientologists. And the firm also had an office
at 1507 22nd Street NW, Washington, DC 20037, besides the one at 6535
Wilshire Blvd, LA, California 90048.

Warrior

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I looked up West for scientologists George Murgatroyd 3. He is a
scientology patron and litigated (unsuccessfully, of course) against
Eli Lilly.

http://www.wld.com/lawyer/murgatroyd.george

His lawfirm changed names several times:
http://www.wld.com/id/W96720631715

Coale, Kananack & Murgatroyd, until December 1, 1990

Kananack, Murgatroyd & Baum, until January 29, 1993

Kananack, Murgatroyd Baum & Hedlund, until May 14, 1996

Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford & Downey, P.C.

Because of the current name (see also at
http://www.bhagd.com/attorneys/) I assumed Murgatroyd was out. But no:
he is still in the lawfirm, but his name is gone. He is at the bottom of
the name list, he is neither "Partner", nor "Assocuiate" nor
"Shareholder", he is a "nothing". This is really weird. How could he
fall so low?

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"Keep kwiet. Ksenu's kracking klam klusters."

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Well, Greta van Susteren is not alone :-)

===

Lawyers Advertising on the Web:
Is a Cure Worse Than the Disease?

August 29, 1996
The New York Times

By CHRISTINE BIEDERMAN

Imagine it's one of those I NEED A LAWYER NOW! moments.
Say you've arrived home to find the bank account
Hoovered and the spouse embarked for Tahiti with the
accountant. Or your perfect child, a finalist for a
Harvard scholarship, just called from jail to ask
whether she should take the breathalyzer the police have
proffered.

An attentive netizen, you've noticed lawyers' home pages
multiplying like rabbits on fertility pills. Entering
"DUI" in your favorite Web search engine produces more
than 200 links. Scanning the list, one entry grabs your
attention: "Top Gun DUI Defense Attorney."

Clicking on the link summons the home page of one Myles
L. Berman, a distinguished-looking, fortyish lawyer who
practices in Southern California. "Friends don't let
other friends plead guilty," advises Berman, who
describes himself as "a successful, aggressive DUI
defense lawyer with a national reputation for
successfully representing most of his clients."

Sounds like your kind of guy. His Web page contains
links to a message board ("The 'Oh, No, I just got
arrested for drunk driving' forum"), a referral service
called "DWI Lawyers Online" and another referral service
called the "National Drunk Driving Defense Task Force,"
which appears to be a nascent DUI referral service run
by Berman himself. Exploring "DWI Lawyers Online," you
learn that lawyers can be listed here if they submit
their names and addresses and assert that they have
"successfully defended 20 DUI cases."

But wait a minute. This looks like the cyberspace
equivalent of sending in cereal box tops. Does Berman
check these claims? Come to think of it, who checks to
see if lawyers listed with any of the dozens of Internet
referral services are any good? Are there services that
lawyers pay to join? Are there other financial
arrangements you should know about -- fee splitting, for
example? How do you know where the lawyers are licensed?
How do you know if the lawyers are licensed?

Come to think of it, how do you know if any of that
advice those thousands of lawyers are giving away on
their thousands of home pages is any darned good?

For these reasons and others, attorney advertising on
the Web has state bars wringing their hands and moving
in to regulate.

"If that Web page is for the purpose of marketing legal
services, it's subject to regulation," insists Will
Horner, staff counsel to the Commission on Advertising
for the American Bar Association, a voluntary
association that acts as a sort of de facto overseer and
advisor of the legal profession.

But regulation by whom?

Traditionally, regulation of lawyers, doctors and other
professionals has fallen to the states. Each can
regulate lawyers licensed in that state and bar anyone
from practicing who is not licensed in the state. Beyond
that, though, things get murky. When a client in Ohio
requests a patent opinion from a New York lawyer, is the
New York lawyer "practicing" in Ohio? Does this change
if the New York lawyer answers a real estate question
based on Ohio law? How about if the New York lawyer
flies into Columbus to attend a deposition in an case
pending in New York? In Ohio? In Texas?

Horner acknowledges that even in these areas, the
answers are "very much dependent on the facts," with
different states taking different positions. "And when
it comes down to solicitation and advertising, it's a
total quagmire," he said.

Indeed, nowhere do the states differ more widely than
rules governing client solicitation -- particularly
issues like referral networks, referral fees and
advertising. "A core follow ABA rules," Hornsby says,
referring to the American Bar Association's guidelines,
"with different degrees of variance. A handful have
major restrictions on advertising. And some follow a
completely different code."

And while Horner is quick to say it's not for him to
conclude whether Berman's home page -- or any lawyer's
ads, for that matter -- violate a particular state's
advertising rules, he noted, "There is a provision in
force in almost every state that says you can't create
an unjustified expectation and cannot compare your
services to another in a way that's not quantifiable."

Berman acknowledged, "Some lawyers told me the
Pennsylvania State Bar put on a symposium and someone
used my ad as an example of one that would not comply
with their rules." Moreover, a recent law review article
cited his sponsorship of "Mirsky's Drunk Browsing Test,"
a popular Web page designed by the former Mad magazine
writer Robert Mersky, as an example of "undignified
lawyer advertising."

Such criticisms can cause Berman to lose his sense of
humor momentarily. "Many state bars' regulation of
advertising is basically to protect the legal
establishment and not the consumer," he asserted. "But
California is very interested in making the public aware
of its rights, and very protective of commercial free
speech."

While conceding that he occasionally gets "some mad
comments from people" about the drunk browsing test,
Berman insisted, "The overwhelming majority of contacts
have been positive."

Of course, like most lawyers, Berman is assuming that
only the states in which he is licensed -- California
and Illinois -- have the right to regulate his home
page. And until now, regulating lawyers' advertising has
been by and large a local enterprise. (Although large
firms have always solicited business out of state,
enforcement of lawyers' advertising rules has, for the
most part, been aimed at those who offer their services
to individual clients).

But the availability of a national advertising medium
like the Internet throws a monkey wrench into the
regulatory mix. Electrons recognize no boundaries; short
of ripping up phone lines, there is little any state can
do to stop information from flowing in.

As France found earlier this year when it tried to ban a
book documenting the late Francois Mitterand's fibs
about the prostate cancer that killed him, only to have
the book turn up on numerous Web sites, the Internet can
foil most laws. That's because laws are based on a
sovereign's power over persons on specified terra firma.
The Internet recognizes no borders.

And so the question of jurisdiction over Internet
lawyering is tricky. Can Florida protect its citizens
from a Wyoming lawyer's ad that it finds misleading? Can
a Texas lawyer file an unauthorized practice complaint
in his home state against an Arizona lawyer who enjoys a
competitive advantage because his ad doesn't comply with
Texas rules?

Hornsby, for one, believes he can. "If you look at the
purpose behind regulation of lawyer advertising --
protecting consumers -- then it's easy to find a duty to
protect consumers," he says. "The mechanism to do that
is unauthorized-practice laws. So if we extend that
theory to Internet usage, the bar could bring an
unauthorized practice claim."

Hornsby cites a current Indiana case, In the Matter of
Murgatroyd, which bar associations around the country
believe may eventually provide a precedent for
sanctioning out-of-state lawyers.

In Murgatroyd, the Indiana Supreme Court disciplinary
commission is seeking to discipline George Murgatroyd
3d, a lawyer licensed in the District of Columbia and in
California but not in Indiana. The commission charges
that following the 1992 crash of a C-130 plane near
Evanville, Ind., Murgatroyd and other out-of-state
lawyers sent targeted direct mail to Indiana citizens,
seeking their business.

Donald R. Lundberg, executive secretary of the
disciplinary commission, said that Murgatroyd's mail
violated Indiana bar rules requiring such solicitations
to be labeled as advertising and filed with the state
commission.

Shortly after Indiana brought its case, Lundberg
recalls, "some of the out-of-state lawyers, Murgatroyd
among them, sued the Indiana bar in Federal court,
claiming the Indiana bar's action violated their
constitutional rights." But the Federal court, deferring
to Indiana courts, dismissed the Federal lawsuit. The
issue is now before the Indiana Supreme Court.

As a practical matter, however, it may be impossible for
lawyers' home pages to comply with all states'
regulations. For example, Florida, Texas, New Mexico and
Kentucky require "advertising" to be screened before it
is used, but differ on whether home pages fall under the
definition of advertising. Other states' rules deal with
minutia such as specific language that must be displayed
and even the type size of disclaimers -- a requirement
difficult to impose on the Web, since the size of type
in text produced by Hypertext Markup Language is
dependent on how a reader has his or her browser set up.

Moreover, many lawyers maintain that such regulatory
turf grabbing is unnecessary, since the Internet may be
uniquely self-regulating. For example, there is little
danger of direct lawyer solicitation on the Internet;
the few lawyers brave (or foolish) enough to spam have
found themselves flamed to a crisp. On the Internet,
clients contact lawyers, not vice-versa.

Some experts say that clever shysters could concoct a
new ambulance-chasing technology by using hidden fields
to send people on a detour to a lawyer's Web page when
these visitors would be most vulnerable -- for example,
when the distraught relative of a plane crash victim
went to an airline's Web site to get an information
number.

But such fears have no basis in fact - at least not yet
- and merely tend to feed what many in the legal
profession see as a needless rush to regulate commercial
speech on the Internet as part of a more general drift.

"It seems to be part of this continuing trend toward a
nationwide system of regulation," said Ellen Pansky, a
Los Angeles lawyer who is the immediate past president
of the Association of Professional Responsibility.
Calling the trend "an extremely poor idea," Pansky
observed that it also flies in the face of current
notions that less government is better.

Then, too, she noted with regard to recent challenges to
the Communications Decency Act, "All these Internet
regulations are being thrown out on First Amendment
grounds, so how can you apply a different standard to
the truthful commercial speech of lawyers?"

Christine Biederman is a Dallas lawyer and
journalist. She does not advertise on the
World Wide Web.

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From: til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
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Subject: Re: Digital Lightwave stock falls, investors sue
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:40:43 GMT
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In <34ca23e5...@news.zippo.com>, mdal...@kcii.com (Mark Dallara)
wrote:

>Does anybody remember whether or not Digital Lightwave is connected to the
>Church of $cientology somehow? Does anyone recognize any of the names
>mentioned in the article? The summary insert box in the article reads as
>follows:

Of course:

Digital Lightwave, Inc (Bryan J. Zwan, $100,000 donation to the IAS;
Kenneth T. Myers, $40,000 to the IAS, Denise Licciardi [According to dst
she is the sister of David Miscavige!], $40,000 to the IAS; Robert
Goransson, $20,000 to the IAS; formerly Doug C. Dohring, $40,000 to the
IAS, his other company was WISE 1991 CEO's Circle member; formerly
Elizabeth Weigand (of Eagleton fame?)). They have issued stocks, so the
SEC has lots of info. Another investor is Scientologist George
Murgatroyd and other members of his lawfirm.

You can search SEC's "edgar" for more info.
http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/srch-edgar?lightwave

Next one: Earthlink??
---

"Keep kwiet. Ksenu's kracking klam klusters."
http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/prolinks/

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>Of course:
>
>Digital Lightwave, Inc (Bryan J. Zwan, $100,000 donation to the IAS;
>Kenneth T. Myers, $40,000 to the IAS, Denise Licciardi [According to dst
>she is the sister of David Miscavige!], $40,000 to the IAS; Robert
>Goransson, $20,000 to the IAS; formerly Doug C. Dohring, $40,000 to the
>IAS, his other company was WISE 1991 CEO's Circle member; formerly
>Elizabeth Weigand (of Eagleton fame?)). They have issued stocks, so the
>SEC has lots of info. Another investor is Scientologist George
>Murgatroyd and other members of his lawfirm.

[IAS = International Association of Scientologist, the official
scientology hate group uniting scientologists around the world and
paying propaganda activities against critics]

>You can search SEC's "edgar" for more info.
>http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/srch-edgar?lightwave

All three lawsuits seek class action status, so it should be easy to
find the names of the lawfirms. They should be informed about the
scientology connection, and investigate whether money from the company
was funneled into scientology / IAS / CCHR / WISE / ABLE / NARCONON /
CRIMINON or any other scientology front.

(Sadly, these class action suits are a sort of fraud in itself: the
money to pay back angry investors comes from the company, which means
that the shares will fall even more; the only people who win are the
attorneys. Filing lawsuits against the company managers is probably
useless, as their money is already gone to exorcise scientology
body-thetans)

It is also time that former employees speak out - I am sure that this
bookkeeping isn't a "mistake" and was known to many.

--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
Annoy scientology by buying books: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/bookstore.html

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In honor of Scientology forcing AT&T to out Safe, apparently for "Fair Game"
purposes, Disturber of the Peace Institute is proud and happy to present
another, and long overdue, post of ....

THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY SHYSTER LIST (Update No. 9)

Please send all corrections, additions, revisions, or other pertinent info on
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In addition, DPI wishes to publish regularly updated lists of the names,
addresses, telephone numbers, work history info, etc. of all private
investigators and similar operatives retained or hired by the CO$. This new
list
will be posted as "THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY JIHAD SQUAD."

your humble and obedient servant,

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…. lighting another Havana with a burning copy of Ava Paquette's subpoena

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"First, we hang the lawyers" --Bill Shakespeare

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factory, we'd be freer and safer, and our taxes would be reduced by almost
half." -- H. L. Mencken

"The penalty for laughing in the courtroom is six months in jail: If it were
not
for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence." -- H. L. Mencken

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-
Calvin Trillin

"It is interesting to note that criminals have multiplied of late, and lawyers
have also. But I repeat myself." -- Unknown

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Following is a list of attorneys who have been reported to be either employed
or
retained by the Church of Scientology and/or one or more of its affiliate
organizations as litigators. The purpose of this list is to inform the general
public, public officials, and the media of the identity of those lawyers who
assist the Church of Scientology (hereafter, CO$) in carrying out its
long-established and fully documented policy and practice of suppressing the
First Amendment rights of critics and detractors via intimidating letters,
frivolous lawsuits, SLAPP (strategic lawsuits against public participation)
tactics, and other acts of barratry.

The note "CONFIRMED CO$" designates attorneys who have been confirmed as those
who provide such legal services to CO$. Whether or not attorneys so designated
also happen to be members of the Church of Scientology is irrelevant for this
purpose.

The note "NEEDS CO$ VERIFICATION" designates attorneys who have been reported
as
working for CO$ but have not been confirmed as such.

For future editions of this list, DPI wishes to include information from each
attorney's state bar and court records, including his/her disciplinary record
and/or complaints filed against him/her. So anyone who has this information or
access to it, please forward it to us ASAP.

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The following information is a public service provided in the public interest.
This information may be downloaded, copied, re-posted, printed, or distributed
freely but unaltered and intact.

-----------(Start of Church of Scientology Shyster List)---------------

USA:

ABELSON, ELLIOT J. -- (8491 W Sunset Blvd #1100, Los Angeles, CA 90069 / phone:
213-960-1935 / fax: 213-650-0464 / State Bar of California, member no. 43186)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

BARTILSON, LAURIE J. -- (Moxon & Bartilson, 550 North Brand Boulevard, Suite
700
Glendale, CA 91203/ State Bar of California)

BAUM, MICHAEL L. -- (12100 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 950, LA, CA 90025 / phone (800)
827-0087 fax (310) 820-7444 / State Bar of California) (Sources' notes: "In
1996 he was a partner in the law firm of Kananack, Murgatroyd, Baum & Hedlund."
"He is a former GO operative. Neal Sobol, another GO staff, also used to work
at
the same firm. Ref: Who? What? Where? The Directory and my knowledge of these
two guys.")
-- CONFIRMED CO$

BISCEGLIE, ANTHONY P. -- (Bisceglie & Walsh, Washington, DC / District of
Columbia Bar) ("Bisceglie is a partner in Bisceglie & Walsh, a three-person
firm. He is a specialist on the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt
Organizations law. Bisceglie and his partner, William C. Walsh, have
represented the Church of Scientology on a number of matters over the years,
such as Freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the Internal Revenue
Service." Washington Post, 4/8/96)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Brennan, Robert F. -- (6255 Sunset Blvd. Suite 2000, Hollywood, CA 90028 /
phone
(213) 463-2547 / fax (213) 463-5527 / State Bar of California?) -- NEED CO$
VERIFICATION

COALE, JOHN P. -- (location 1: Coale Cooley Lietz McInerny & Broadus, suite
857,
818 Connecticut Ave, Washington DC 20006 / phone: (202) 887-4770 / fax: (202)
686-9739 (202) 887-4778 / e-mail: jco...@sprynet.com / no ABA or state bar info
available) (location 2: Coale & Van Susteren, # 7, Windward Island,
Clearwater,
FL 34630-2322 / phone: 813-446-4724 / fax: 813-442-2678 / no ABA or state bar
info available)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

COOLEY, EARLE -- ( Cooley, Manion, Moore & Jones, LLP, 21 Custom House Street,
Boston MA 02110 / phone: 617-737-3100 / e-mail: eco...@cmmj.com/ State Bar of
Massachusetts) (participated in lerma RAID & rtc vs lerma)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

CROWDER, DOUGLAS A. -- (Johnson & Associates, 350 South Figueroa Street, Ste
190, LA, CA 90071 / phone (213) 621-2115 / State Bar of California?) (Business,
corporate, real estate, international trademarks. Commercial litigation,
bankruptcy and creditor/debtor relations.)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

EMORY, MEAD -- (Lane, Powell, Spears, Lubersky LLP, Suite 4100, 1420 Fifth
Avenue, Seattle, WA, 98101-2333 / phones: (800) 426-5801, (206) 223-7000 /
faxes: (206) 223-7010, 7107, 7276 / telex: 32-8808) ( Source's notes: "Areas Of
Practice: Controversies / Past Positions: Joint Committee on Taxation, United
States Congress, Legislation Attorney, 1970 - 1972; Assistant Commissioner of
IRS 1975 - 1977; Professor of Law, University of Iowa, 1965 - 1970; Visiting
Professor of Law, Duke University, Spring, 1991 - 1992; Visiting Professor,
Northwestern University, Chicago, Illinois, Spring, 1993; Visiting Professor,
Georgetown University, Fall, 1994")
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Fisher, James Q. -- (1801 Century Park East, Ste 2400, Los Angeles, CA 90067 /
phone (310) 556-3300 fax (310) 556-2424. Previous address 2049 Century Park
East, Ste 4010, LA, CA 90067 / State Bar of California?) (One-time partner of
Joel Kreiner) -- Need CO$ Confirmation

Flate, Ronald Allen -- 9300 Wilshire Blvd, Ste 300, Beverly Hills, CA 90212 /
phone (213) 933-7141 and (213) 278-0100 / State Bar of California?) (Former
IRS Attorney. Practices real estate, business & corporate law, franchising law,
tax & estate planning, auto accident/personal injury/product liability, family
law and litigation.) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

Goldner, Eric D. -- (11400 West Olympic Blvd., Second Floor, LA, CA 90064 /
phone (310) 914-0109 fax (310) 390-4841 / State Bar of California?) (Family
law, adoptions, divorces, custody, visitation, child and spousal support,
community and separate property, annulments, conservatorships and
guardianships.) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

HART, WILLIAM M. -- (Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker LLP, 399 Park Avenue,
New York NY 10022-4697 / phone: 212-318-6000 / e-mail: WMH...@PHJW.com / New
York State Bar Association)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

HAYES, STEVEN L. -- (Bowles & Hayes, 1015 Oneonta Dr., Los Angeles, CA
90065-4255 / phone: (213) 255-8878 / fax: (2130 662-6419, (818) 546-5047/ State
Bar of California) (Bought Cult Awareness Network)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Hedlund, Paul -- (Formerly, in 1996, of Kananack, Murgatroyd, Baum & Hedlund.
See Murgatroyd, George for address.) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

HERTZBERG, MICHAEL LEE -- (740 Broadway, 5th Floor, New York, NY / New York
State Bar Association)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

HIRSCHKOP, PHILIP J. -- (Hirschkop & Associates, 108 North Columbus Street,
P.O. Box 1417-A49, Alexandria VA 22313 / phone: 703-836-6595 / District of
Columbia Bar; Virginia State Bar, New York State Bar Association, ABA)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Hogan, Thomas R. -- (60 South Market Street, Suite 1125 San Jose, CA
95113-2332, 408-292-7600, California State Bar, member no. 042048) (Source's
notes: Tom is not a scientologist, is believed to privately hold them in
contempt. But the money, the *money*!)
-- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

Karp, Lawrence J. -- (1700 California Street, Ste 370, SF, CA 94109 and 445
South Figueroa Street, Ste 2600, LA, CA 90071 / phone (213) 612-7778 (LA) and
(415) 567-0211 (SF) / State Bar of California) (Personal injury, business and
family law.) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

KOBRIN, HELENA KEMPNER -- (Moxon and Kobrin, Attorneys at Law, 6255 Sunset
Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90028-6329 / phone: 213-993-4435 / e-mail: h...@netcom.com,
hkko...@aol.com / State Bar of California, membership no. 152546)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

KREINER, JOEL -- (Source's notes: "At one time he was Deputy Guardian Legal for
the US Guardian Office. The last I knew he lived in the LA area. Joel was
involved in the Allard case. Also, he was involved in the FCDC E-Meter case and
an IRS tax case. James Q. Fisher was his partner at one time. I believe Neal
Hamel and Vaughn Young would probably remember Joel. Both Joel Kreiner and
James
Fisher are "OTs". Kreiner's old address (in 1977) was 6255 Sunset Blvd, Suite
2000. Now Moxon's office is at 6255 Sunset Blvd.")
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Lenske, Sherman D. -- (Lenske, Lenske & Abramson ALC, Suite 315, Warner Atrium,
6400 Canoga Ave., Woodland Hills, CA 91367-2425 / phone: (818) 716-1444, (818)
883-2920 / fax: (818) 883-9260 / e-mail: sle...@aol.com / State Bar of
California)
-- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

LIEBERMAN, ERIC -- (Rabinowitz, Boudin, Standard, Krinsky & Lieberman, P.C.,
740
Broadway at Astor Place, 5th Floor, New York NY 10003-9518 / Tel: (212)
254-1111
/ Fax: (212) 674-4614 / New York State Bar Association)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

LUBELL, JONATHAN -- (Morrison Cohen Singer and Weinstein, 9th Floor, 750
Lexington Avenue, NY, NY, 10022-1200, phone: 212-735-8600 / fax: 212-735-8708,
421-2131 / e-mail: jlu...@mcsw.com / New York State Bar Association) (lost
TIME
magazine case)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

LUPO, RAPHAEL V. --(McDermott, Will & Emery, 600 Thirteenth Street, N.W.,
Suite 1200
Washington DC 20005-3096 / phone: 202-756-8000 / e-mail: rl...@mwe.com /
District
of Columbia Bar; Virginia State Bar; ABA) (participated in lerma RAID)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

McNally, Gerald -- (803 East Broadway, Ste F, Glendale, CA 91205 / phone (818)
241-9188 / State Bar of California) (Income tax [corporate, personal],
partnership), tax planning, tax court & litigation, real estate,
incorporations,
contracts and wills.) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

Moss, Donald D. -- (Sobol, Raldiris & Moss, 520 East Broadway, Ste 201,
Glendale, CA 91205 / phone (818) 547-6650) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

MOXON, KENDRICK L. -- (Moxon and Kobrin, Attorneys at Law, 6255 Sunset Blvd.,
Los Angeles, CA 90028-6329 / phone: 213-993-4435 / State Bar of California)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Nussbaum, Michael -- (Ropes & Gray, One Franklin Square, Suite 800 East, 1301 K
Street NW, Washington, DC 20005-3317 / phone: (202) 626-3900 / fax: (202)
626-3961 / District of Columbia Bar)
-- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

PAQUETTE, AVA M. -- (Moxon and Kobrin, Attorneys at Law, 6255 Sunset Blvd., Los
Angeles, CA 90028-6329 / phone: 213-993-4435 / State Bar of California)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Raldiris, Hiram Anthony -- (Sobol, Raldiris & Moss, 520 East Broadway, Ste 201,
Glendale, CA 91205 / phone (818) 547-6650) (Ventura office: 79 Daily Drive, Ste
249, Camarillo, CA 93010 / phone (800) 640-9188) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

Shorter, Jr., John -- (Law Firm, Location, Bar Membership) -- NEED CO$
VERIFICATION

SINCLAIR, J. FREDERICK -- (100 North Pitt Street, Suite 200, Alexandria VA
22314 / phone: 703-299-0600 / Virginia State Bar, District of Columbia Bar,
ABA)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

SMALL, THOMAS M. -- (Small Larkin & Kidde, 10940 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite
1800,
Los Angeles CA 90024-3945 / phone: (310) 209-4400 / fax: (310) 209-4450 /
e-mail: t...@slklaw.com, s...@slklaw.com / State Bar of California)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Sobol, Neal H. -- (Sobol, Raldiris & Moss, 520 East Broadway, Glendale, CA
91205
/ phone (818) 547-6650 / fax (818) 547-0274) -- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

SPRING, THOMAS C. -- (1850 Kalorama Rd., N.W., Washington, DC / District of
Columbia Bar)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Stroh, Duane C. -- (111 East Broadway, Suite 210, Glendale, CA 91205 / phone
(818) 502-1912) (Personal injury, adoptions, bankruptcy, incorporation and
legal problem solving)
-- NEED CO$ VERIFICATION

WALSH, WILLIAM C. -- (Bisceglie & Walsh, Washington, DC / District of Columbia
Bar)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Wiener, Robert -- (Need Law Firm, Location, Bar Membership) -- NEED CO$
VERIFICATION

WILSON, ANDREW H. -- (Wilson Campilongo, L.L.P., 115 Sansome Street, Suite 400,
San Francisco CA 94104 / phone: 415-391-3900 / State Bar of California)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

YINGLING, MONIQUE -- (Zuckert, Scoutt & Rasenberger, L.L.P, 888 Seventeenth
Street, N.W.
Washington DC 20006-3939 / Tel: 202-298-8660 / District of Columbia Bar; State
Bar of California)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

------------

CANADA:

SINNOTT, TIMOTHY J. -- (Bereskin & Parr, Box 401, 40 King Street West, Toronto
ON M5H 3Y2, Canada / phone: 416-364-7311 / Canadian Bar Association, Law
Society
of Upper Canada)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

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GERMANY:

Boehmert and Boehmert (NEED Location in Germany, professional association
memberships)
-- CONFIRMED CO$

Wilhelm Bl mel - (Rechtsanw lte Wilhelm Bl mel, Detlef Reichert, Kurt Henning
und Stefan Bergsteiner, Bayerstra e 13, 80335 M nchen) (Source's note: "This is
the Nr. ONE of the scientology attorneys. He is probably not a clam himself.")
-- CONFIRMED CO$

--------(end of Church of Scientology Shyster List)-------------

EDITOR'S NOTE: Per his request, the following attorney has been removed from
the Church of Scientology Shyster List.

Murgatroyd, George W. ("Skip") -- (address 1: Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford
&
Downey, P.C., Suite 950, 12100 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025-7114 /
phone: 310-207-3233 / fax: 310-820-7444 / address 2: 6956 Dume Drive / Malibu,
CA 90265 / phone: 310-457-5035 / State Bar of California, Member no. 109761)

As of March of 1998, Mr. George W. Murgatroyd''s position is that he does not
now work nor has ever worked for the Church of Scientology or any of its
affiliate organizations. Indeed, in reply to this list's previous
publisher/editor's initial request for confirmation or denial, Mr. Murgatroyd
responded with a blanket denial. His answer was accepted on face value and he
was immediately informed by that publisher/editor that his name would deleted,
which it was done immediately on the next Update of the above list.

After his name was removed, at least four ARS posters provided convincing
circumstantial evidence that Mr. Murgatroyd is a member or "patron" of the
Church of Scientology who had litigated a lawsuit against Eli Lilly and Company
on behalf of an alleged victim of the drug Prozac produced by that company (Mr.
Murgatroyd lost) and at least indirectly on behalf of or in cooperation with
the
Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a public interest group established
in 1969 by the Church of Scientology. The full texts of these e-mails were
e-mailed TWICE by the previous publisher/editor to Mr. Murgatroyd. The first of
these messages went unanswered. The second of these e-mails included a demand
for more accurate information or a clarification or rebuttal of the
contra-indicating information provided to him.

Mr. Murgatroyd responded by faxing a threatening letter to the previous
publisher/editor's employer and business associate, through whose ISP and
without whose knowledge or permission he had e-mailed his inquiries and demand
for accurate information.

Further investigation of Mr. Murgatroyd's past and present litigation history
is
in our view required before he can be included in the above list. Until then
he
can only be included in this EDITOR"S NOTE. Therefore, any additional
information about this attorney, his career history, his case history, and/or
his disciplinary record would be very much appreciated.

Thank you very much.

The Curmudgeon (dpins...@newsguy.com)

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From: Warrior <war...@entheta.net>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: The Church of Scientology SHYSTER LIST
Date: 8 Jun 1999 17:44:32 -0700
Organization: Sunshine disinfects
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In article <7jk4ru$2v...@edrn.newsguy.com>, Curmudgeon says...
>
>In honor of Scientology forcing AT&T to out Safe, apparently for "Fair Game"
>purposes, Disturber of the Peace Institute is proud and happy to present
>another, and long overdue, post of ....
>
>THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY SHYSTER LIST (Update No. 9)
>
[huge snip]
>
>EDITOR'S NOTE: Per his request, the following attorney has been removed from
>the Church of Scientology Shyster List.
>
>Murgatroyd, George W. ("Skip") - (address 1: Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford &
>Downey, P.C., Suite 950, 12100 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025-7114 /
>phone: 310-207-3233 / fax: 310-820-7444 / address 2: 6956 Dume Drive / Malibu,
>CA 90265 / phone: 310-457-5035 / State Bar of California, Member no. 109761)
>
>As of March of 1998, Mr. George W. Murgatroyd''s position is that he does not
>now work nor has ever worked for the Church of Scientology or any of its
>affiliate organizations. Indeed, in reply to this list's previous
>publisher/editor's initial request for confirmation or denial, Mr. Murgatroyd
>responded with a blanket denial. His answer was accepted on face value and he
>was immediately informed by that publisher/editor that his name would deleted,
>which it was done immediately on the next Update of the above list.
>
>After his name was removed, at least four ARS posters provided convincing cir-
>cumstantial evidence that Mr. Murgatroyd is a member or "patron" of the Church
>of Scientology who had litigated a lawsuit against Eli Lilly and Company on be-
>half of an alleged victim of the drug Prozac produced by that company (Mr. Mur-
>gatroyd lost) and at least indirectly on behalf of or in cooperation with the
>Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a public interest group established
>in 1969 by the Church of Scientology. The full texts of these e-mails were
>e-mailed TWICE by the previous publisher/editor to Mr. Murgatroyd. The first of
>these messages went unanswered. The second of these e-mails included a demand
>for more accurate information or a clarification or rebuttal of the
>contra-indicating information provided to him.
>
>Mr. Murgatroyd responded by faxing a threatening letter to the previous
>publisher/editor's employer and business associate, through whose ISP and
>without whose knowledge or permission he had e-mailed his inquiries and demand
>for accurate information.
>
>Further investigation of Mr. Murgatroyd's past and present litigation history
>is in our view required before he can be included in the above list. Until
>then he can only be included in this EDITOR"S NOTE. Therefore, any additional
>information about this attorney, his career history, his case history, and/or
>his disciplinary record would be very much appreciated.
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>The Curmudgeon (dpins...@newsguy.com)
>
>(c) 1999, Disturber of the Peace Institute

[posted/mailed]

I can send you three different pictures of George W. ("Skip") Murgatroyd III if
you wish!

One is a picture of him seated next to one-time partners and/or associates
John P. Coale, Michael J. Kananack, Charles J. ("Chuck") Judge, Eric D.
Goldner, Michael L. Baum and Neal H. Sobol. All of these individuals are
Scientologists. Include the code number 705881088.156 in your request
for this picture.

Another picture is of him in the presence of Neal H. Sobol, Michael L. Baum,
Michael J. Kananack and Charles J. Judge. If interested in obtaining
this picture, ask for code number 311870488.132

Another picture is of him in the company of Kananack, Baum and Robert
M. Klein. If requesting this picture, specify code number 405861086.166.

If you are intersted, contact me privately to let me know the email
address where you'd like the picture(s) sent.

Unless they renounced/departed/blew/etc Scientology recently (in which
case I'd like to see such a statement), all of the above-named individuals
are Scientologists.

Warrior
See http://www.entheta.net/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/

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From: Curmudgeon <DPIns...@newsguy.com>
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Subject: UPDATE 10: Church of Scientology Shyster List
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In honor of Scientology forcing AT&T to out Safe, apparently for "Fair Game"
purposes, Disturber of the Peace Institute is proud and happy to present
another, and long overdue, post of....

THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY SHYSTER LIST (Update No. 10)