This year's Scientology hearing
Rod Keller
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515
Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida, Chairperson
July 10, 2001
TO: MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
You are respectfully requested to attend the following OPEN HEARING of the
Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights to be held in
Room 2154 Rayburn House Office Building.
DATE: Wednesday, July 11, 2001
TIME: 1:00 p.m.
SUBJECT: Religious Discrimination in Western Europe
WITNESSES:
PANEL I
The Honorable Lorne W. Craner
Assistant Secretary
Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
U.S. Department of State
PANEL II
Mr. Joseph K. Grieboski
President
Institute on Religion and Public Policy
Ms. Sameera Fazili
Executive Director
Muslim Women Lawyers
Association for Human Rights
Mr. Isaac Hayes
Actor / Musician
Mr. Patrick Hinojosa
President
Panda Software
Ms. Catherine Bell
Actor
Tilman Hausherr
<9ihifs$k...@netaxs.com>:
>Mr. Patrick Hinojosa
>President
>Panda Software
http://www.oursites.org/enriquepatriciohinojosa/success.htm
His success is that he handles people with scientology.
http://www.oursites.org/enriquepatriciohinojosa/myself.htm
Hmm, this one says he is only 11 years old. So maybe I got the wrong UFO
cultist :-)
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
news:9ihifs$k...@netaxs.com...
> <snip>
> Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights
> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida, Chairperson
Is Ms. Ros-Lehtinen with Co$, or just a dupe? and what of The Honorable
Lorne W. Craner?
<snip>
> PANEL II
<snip>
> Mr. Isaac Hayes
> Actor / Musician
>
> Mr. Patrick Hinojosa
> President
> Panda Software
>
> Ms. Catherine Bell
> Actor
Well, that's rich. We're listening to actors and former musicians talk
about political subjects. Hinojosa should be another shoe-in for Co$ of
course.
JimDBB
>From: rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller)
>Date: 7/11/01 7:57 AM Central
why is it that we never know about these meetings?
JImdbb
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
news:20010711145638...@ng-fw1.aol.com...
To boot, the announcement is a day before it, giving nobody time to prepare
with halfway decent questions. It's an attempt to ramrod recommendations
through Congress, Co$-style, and it's been scheduled for some time no doubt.
The key would be finding out about the inside person that's somehow not
publishing until the last minute, or being persuaded not to, and finding out
who's responsible.
I copied the original announcement and sent it to my friends and family,
encouraging them to contact their rep's and complain about this misuse of
not only the Congress' time, but the obvious attempt to subvert foreign
policy.
l.l.lipshitz
you can check the hearing schedules for senate
and house committees on their webpages (each
committee keeps its own schedule so you'll have
to dig a bit):
<http://thomas.loc.gov/home/hcomso.html>
<http://www.senate.gov/committees/index.cfm>
or from:
<http://www.capitolhearings.org/>
which includes a search engine for finding
particular hearings you're interested in.
-elle
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oh, i'll bet you don't know what the number 8 really is.
it's a bag of money sitting on a bag of money. -lrh
Rod Keller
Artist
before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
International Operations and Human Rights
July 11, 2001
Madame Chairwoman and distinguished members of the Committee:
I am grateful to you for giving me the opportunity to speak to you today
about the harm being done in France by prejudice -- the bitter prejudice
of intolerance.
I hope that by giving a public airing to this issue, we can dispel some of
the dark clouds that are gathering over France -- a country where more
members of religious, spiritual and ethnic movements suffer for their
beliefs than in any other democracy in the world. And yet, I am not
optimistic that circumstances will change, unless we, as Americans, take
decisive action to bring about that change.
Last October, I flew to France to take part in a march and rally for
religious freedom in Paris. Thousands of people belonging to many
different faiths from all over the world had assembled in Paris to speak
out for human rights. We were a peaceful gathering, waving flags and
singing songs for freedom. Yet the Prefecture would not allow us to march
through the streets of Paris. These officials were nervous, frightened and
intolerant. Under pressure from their government masters, the prefecture
ordered 300 riot police onto the streets. Then they ordered us to
disperse. So we did, and we travelled by cars and buses to a wooded area
near Paris, where we held a concert for human rights. I could not help
being reminded of the Chinese reaction in 1989, in that dreadful tragedy
when the tanks advanced on the students in Tiananmen Square. Fear drove
those tanks. In Paris, thankfully, no one was hurt. But the French
officials showed that same fear, that same intolerance of peoples' rights
to hold and to express their personal opinions and beliefs.
Members of minority religions have lost their jobs, they have been denied
access to public facilities, they have been pilloried in the media, their
careers have been destroyed, and their children denied access to
kindergarten -- all because of their beliefs. The French government's
official policy and practice of intolerance continues to generate daily
incidents of religious and economic discrimination in both the private and
public sector.
The intolerant mind-set that French officials have created is illustrated
by a recent incident. A member of a religion that is fully recognized in
the United States visited a member of the French National Assembly to seek
his help in opposing proposed legislation designed to shut down minority
churches. The MP was not present, and his assistant was indifferent to her
concerns. When she protested that as a French citizen, she had a right to
be heard, the MP's assistant replied, "You are not a citizen, you are a
sect member."
Unfortunately, the French government has blatantly non-complied with the
religious freedom provisions of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights
and the European Convention on Human Rights. Mr. Patrick Hinojosa has
testified about how his software company, a leader in its field, has been
boycotted by both government and private agencies in France, solely
because of the religious affiliation of the company's founder. Many other
such examples abound. Some are documented in the booklet, "Report on
Discrimination Against Spiritual and Therapeutic Minorities in France",
compiled by a coalition of religious and spiritual movements. I am
attaching a copy to my testimony and ask that it be included in the
record.
We hear much of religious and ethnic intolerance in the abstract. I want
to take a more personal approach by describing some of the consequences in
the lives of individual men, women and children. As an artist, I am
particularly concerned that the deteriorating human rights situation in
France threatens freedom of artistic expression, and the ability of
artists to survive economically. Several incidents illustrate this
problem. In 1999, a talented young singer who belongs to a minority
movement was selected out of more than 700 candidates to represent France
in the internationally famous Eurovision song contest. When her religious
affiliation became known, she experienced a string of harassing incidents
before, during and after the competition. As a result, her producers
cancelled 16 TV shows in which she had planned to perform as well as a
contract for two albums over three years, including tours in Canada and
Japan.
A musician and graphic artist who belongs to a Zen movement has described
how the movement became the target of a media lynching, with crazy rumors
that his spiritual group engages in arms trafficking, prostitution and
other immoral acts contrary to their beliefs and artistic works. Of
course, it hardly needs saying that this smear campaign has had a stifling
effect on his creative work.
In addition to artists, French officials and private anti-religious groups
have targeted respected professionals in many different fields. Such
campaigns have had fatal consequences for their victims. For example, a
doctor who ran a highly regarded therapy center, to which a nearby
hospital and courts commonly referred drug addicts for help, killed
himself after officials closed his center following a vicious propaganda
campaign instigated by a local hate group.
A naturopath and speech therapist who practices an eastern spiritual
discipline lost 60% of his clients after an organization called the
Association for the Defence of the Family and the Individual, known as
ADFI, began circulating propaganda against religious minorities to schools
and universities. ADFI denounced him publicly and savaged his reputation
in the media. As a footnote, ADFI is one of the associations named by
parliamentarians to have the right to bring civil complaints against
religious minorities under newly enacted legislation.
Even older minority movements have come under attack. A member of a
Rosicrucian movement forfeited his parental rights and can now only see
his children once every two weeks between 10am and 6pm. This followed a
divorce and four-year judicial procedure, during which his membership of
the Rosicrucians was used to prejudice the court and local officials
against him. Another example is that of a Celtic Orthodox priest who
belongs to what used to be a thriving network of 25 health centers. Then,
an article appeared in a national French magazine, claiming to cite
documents from the French internal security agency, the Renseignement
Generaux, connecting the movement with the notorious Order of the Solar
Temple. The health centers filed a complaint against the magazine, and the
documents were exposed as fabrications in court. The centers won a one
million franc judgement, reduced on appeal to 120,000 francs. But the
false accusations continue to haunt the network of health centers, with
the result that practically all are financially ruined and no longer
operate.
French governmental intolerance of minority faiths has even been
introduced into schools. One mother who is a Scientologist unexpectedly
discovered that her 13-year-old daughter's sports class had been cancelled
and replaced by a mandatory conference on "cults." Her daughter was
extremely upset by the bigotry and prejudice spread at this conference,
conducted with the support of the Ministry of National Education and the
Interministerial Mission to Fight Against Sects. And indeed, central to an
understanding of such incidents is that the French government, and French
officials such as Alain Vivien of the "Interministerial Mission to Fight
Against Sects", create a climate that feeds and nurtures such intolerance.
I could list example after example of how the French government has
created a climate which makes life for religious minorities in France a
hard-fought battle for survival. In addition, governmental intolerance now
also threatens France's major churches. According to the president of the
French Protestant Federation, representing 16 major churches and 5,000
associations including Reformed, Lutheran and Pentecostal churches, some
Protestant churches in France are considering removing the word
"evangelical" from their names for fear of official repercussions. An
evangelical church in Lyons with 5,000 parishioners regularly organizes
gospel events in the town square. Until a few years ago, they enjoyed the
support of local authorities. But in recent times, local officials have
become obstructive and have placed various barriers in their way, such as
denying them electricity. After years of broadcasting their religious
messages on local radio, and after a series of increasingly harassing
restrictions put on their right to broadcast, they were eventually refused
access to the airwaves.
Some of the groups whose experiences I have described are among the 172
religious and spiritual minorities blacklisted in a 1995 French
parliamentary commission report. This report has been criticized by
international human rights organizations, the U.S. State Department and
expert scholars in religion for its bias, the undemocratic manner in which
it was produced, and the discrimination it has created. Yet, as you have
heard, France has now passed the most oppressive legislation in western
Europe targeting religious organizations. When French authorities start
applying the new law to bring about the dissolution of these groups, the
1995 report with its blacklist 172 such movements will form their basic
reference.
You will hear from French officials trying to explain away the intolerance
that "freedom in France is not the same as freedom in the United States."
But this argument comes from the perpetrators of intolerance, not its
victims. Freedom is freedom. It means freedom to think and believe
according to one's conscience, and that includes the freedom to
communicate one's ideas and beliefs, and the freedom to act upon them.
I read the debate that took place in the National Assembly on the day that
the new legislation passed. One MP stood up and said that he regretted,
and I am quoting, "a great night of the sects unfortunately cannot take
place that would allow us to handle it all at once." Nobody spoke up in
protest when this man uttered those words of violence. It is a symptom of
the decay of human rights and freedom in France that nobody objects when
an elected official makes such an outrageous, egregious appeal to base
prejudice and intolerance.
As an African-American, I am also very worried by remarks made by the
authors of this new legislation. Madame Picard, a member of the French
National Assembly, was quoted in the media the day the law passed, saying
that groups of a "spiritual, ethnological or philosophical nature" are
prime targets.
"Spiritual, ethnological, or philosophical" -- that just about covers
everyone. Who is not a member of some spiritual, ethnic or philosophical
group?
France is a nation of 60 million people touched by many ethnic groups,
including North African, Indochinese, Slavic and Basque. At least three
and a half million of the French population are immigrants, more than half
from outside the European Union. During the past ten years, an increasing
number of politicians have been speaking publicly against ethnic
minorities. In Marseille, North Africans make up approximately a quarter
of the cityÕs 800,000 inhabitants, and there is a stark contrast between
the affluent parts of the city and the areas where the ethnic minorities
live. Relations are often tense, and itÕs more than a matter of the
government forbidding Muslims to wear their headscarves in public schools.
One Senegal-born woman who has spent most of her life in France, and
speaks French perfectly, still reports discrimination; when she tried to
find an apartment, landlords, hearing her over the phone, mistook her for
a white woman and agreed to rent to her. But when they met her in person,
they suddenly discovered that the apartment had "already been taken." The
seeds of prejudice and intolerance have taken root, and intolerant French
officials will now be able to use the new legislation to nourish those
seeds, and, if they so choose, to bring about the dissolution of targeted
ethnic minority groups.
The French government is undoubtedly the most intolerant in western
Europe. But certain other European governments continue to refuse to
comply with their international human rights commitments. In February, for
the 8th successive year, the U.S. State Department's Annual Human Rights
Report criticized German government discrimination against Scientologists,
as well as against certain Christian groups. Scientologists continue to
suffer harassment, stigma and invasion of their private lives by the
German government's domestic security agency, the Office for the
Protection of the Constitution. In addition, although the German federal
government claims to have relaxed its use of so-called "sect filters"
making employment or contractual relations conditional on individuals
stating that they are not Scientologists, the public and private sector
continue to use such filters. Moreover, German officials continue to deny
American artists the right to perform at state-sponsored concerts in
Germany, solely because of their religious association. Thanks to the fine
work of American congressmen and the State Department, the legendary jazz
musician Chick Corea, winner of 11 Grammy Awards, has been able this year
to arrange a series of privately sponsored concerts in Germany.
Nonetheless, the difference in how officialdom treats this great artist in
Germany compared with in the United States could hardly be greater. In
May, Mr. CoreaÕs hometown of Chelsea, Massachusetts, named a street in his
honor. But one month previously, a state-sponsored theatre in Augsburg,
Germany cancelled a performance Mr. Corea was due to give there in
November, because Mr. Corea is a Scientologist. The American singer and
performer Julia Migenes, famous for her roles in Fiddler on the Roof,
Salome, West Wide Story, and, with Placido Domingo, as the flamboyant
Carmen in the film of that name, has also experienced state-sanctioned
discrimination in Germany. While these artists may be able to perform
privately, most of the major musical venues in Germany are
state-sponsored, and the German governmentÕs denial of their right to
perform there places them at a severe commercial disadvantage.
In Belgium, government officials deny fundamental rights to members of
minority religions, based in large part on a 1997 parliamentary report
that blacklisted 189 such movements, including Hasidic Jews and the
Catholic movement, Opus Dei. The International Helsinki Federation for
Human Rights reports that in October 2000, an eastern movement was banned
by order of a municipal mayor in Brussels from holding a public meeting.
The organizers were informed that the ban had been imposed following
orders from state security. The movement, which has never been prosecuted
for illegal activities in Belgium, was told that their meetings were
forbidden and any discussion of their religion would result in arrest.
Madame Chairwoman, over the last several years, many of us have come here
and have spoken out against discrimination in France, and Germany and
Belgium. It is time to do more than utter words of protest. That is why,
Madame Chairman, I concur with the other witnesses today that the time has
come to consider tough-minded action against western European governments
that refuse to respect human rights. We have the legislation to do it --
the International Religious Freedom Act. Let's use that tool to take a
stand for people who may not be able to take a stand for themselves --
individuals of whatever religion or ethnicity who face extinction of their
rights in France.
I thank you for your commitment to religious freedom, to ethnic diversity,
and to human rights, and for taking the time to listen to my testimony
today.
Mike O'Connor
wrote:
> DATE: Wednesday, July 11, 2001
>
> TIME: 1:00 p.m.
>
> SUBJECT: Religious Discrimination in Western Europe
This hearing will likely appear on C-SPAN this week...
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LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Mike O'Connor <http://www.leptonicsystems.com/>
Rod Keller
Chief Financial Officer and Vice President
Panda Software U.S.
before the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights,
International House Relations Committee
July 11, 2001
Chairwoman Ros-Lehtinen and distinguished members of the Subcommittee.
My name is Patrick Hinojosa. I am the Chief Financial Officer and Vice
President of Panda Software US, which is part of Panda Software
International. Panda is the fourth largest producer of anti-virus software
in the world. The market for computer anti-virus software has grown to
approximately one billion dollars per year and continues to expand. The
biggest markets for Panda are the United States, Great Britain, France and
Germany. Panda’s American clients include DaimlerChrysler, Panasonic and
the U.S. and international offices of Boeing Corporation. It is widely
recognized that in Europe our company is the industry leader.
Madame Chairwoman, I greatly appreciate your invitation to testify today
about the practice of religious discrimination in European Union
countries, and how such discrimination can act as a trade barrier to U.S.
and other foreign companies doing business in the European Union. As
Panda Software’s recent experiences in France illustrate, governmental
religious discrimination can have a serious commercial impact in the
public and private sector on companies whose ownership or employees belong
to a disfavored religious minority. Panda Software in France, which is
majority- owned by Panda USA, has had government and private contracts
cancelled, been permanently precluded from future procurements, and has
been the subject of damning and false public accusations by French
officials. Since Panda became the target of such religious and economic
discrimination in France, which has been our third largest market after
the United States and Great Britain, our French subsidiary operation has
suffered a devastating 50% drop in revenue.
In a matter of only a few months, a governmental campaign of defamation
and unfounded accusations against Panda has taken hold – solely because
the French government does not like the religious choice of Panda’s
founder and so placed his religious denomination on a list of 172
“disfavored” religions along with Baptists, Jehovah’s Witnesses,
Buddhists, Hindus and others. Panda’s founder, Mr. Urizarbarrena, and his
wife have for many years been members of the Scientology religion. This
French government discrimination has resulted in the current situation
whereby Panda Software is now effectively barred from access to the French
governmental and major private markets.
Until several months ago, Panda Software’s main customers in France
included major French and multi-national companies, and a host of
government agencies such as the French Ministry of the Interior and
regional education authorities. They all have reneged on their contracts
with Panda.
You might ask how can such devastating government-sponsored economic
discrimination take place in an apparently modern industrial democracy
such as France? At Panda Software, we have been asking the same question.
We create and sell an excellent software product that has won countless
awards and commendations from software industry groups and publications.
I have attached a sample of these awards to my testimony and request that
they be included in the record. Our product and our record, like that of
any company, should be all that matters; however, a stack of cancelled
French government and French private sector contracts proves otherwise.
Being forced to investigate the motivation of the French government, I
discovered that various commissions and ministries within the French state
have been engaged in a systematic campaign of discrimination and
intolerance against a wide range of minority religions and their members.
Indeed, there is a list of 172 targeted religious groups, many of them
American.
Out of the blue, in April 2001 the allegations surfaced – without a shred
of evidence to justify the accusation – that Panda's anti-virus software
might be able to somehow access the confidential databases of the French
Ministry of Interior and if this could happen then the information would
be sent to the Church of Scientology. This allegation is patently absurd.
All of the major international anti-virus certifying organizations have
rigorously tested Panda’s products and given them their highest available
levels of certification. It was also alleged that buying and leasing
Panda’s products was equivalent to funding the Church of Scientology via
the company, another patent falsehood. Panda and the Church of Scientology
have no connection whatsoever; what religion our company’s founder belongs
to is his personal and private decision, a protected democratic right
enshrined in many an international human rights instrument.
As you may have heard, similarly wild and unfounded allegations were made
in early 2000 against American software manufacturer, Executive Software,
by government officials in Germany. Executive Software CEO Craig Jensen
testified about this nightmarish experience before the International
Relations Committee just about a year ago. In short, he too happens to be
a member of the Church of Scientology, a religion fully recognized by the
government and courts in the United States. This was the sole reason that
his company, and in fact the entire Microsoft Windows 2000 Operating
System for which Executive Software supplies a component, was attacked
causing serious and costly delays in the release and use of Windows 2000
in Germany. Indeed, an article in the French news magazine L'Express
stated that the German Ministry of the Interior, quote, "had also had to
confront a similar problem."
However, L’Express omitted to mention the fact that the allegation against
Executive Software was disproven when a year of German governmental
inspections declared them completely unfounded – an outcome that was noted
in the U.S. State Department's 2000 Annual Human Rights Report.
Back to Panda’s own story of trade discrimination in France. A French
Ministry of Education official, stated on national television that “We are
asking the heads of schools not to acquire [software produced by Panda]
and for those who already have it, to stop using this software.” From
there the government’s campaign really took off.
Some fifteen major articles have been published, which are attempting to
discredit Panda Software as a so-called “sect company.” The media are
amply supplied with material. The Education Ministry was followed by the
Ministry of the Interior, and the regional governmental bodies of Créteil
and Montpellier announced that they were terminating their agreements with
Panda because of its founder’s religious adherence. Government councils of
the Gironde, Côte d’Armor, and Aube regions also announced that they were
canceling their contracts with Panda. More so, the religious
discrimination that forms the basis for such commercially harmful actions
was openly admitted.
In a letter the Ministry of Education sent to French colleges, the
Ministry wrote:
"Even though this material [Panda software] presents no danger in its
present form, I am asking you to cease using it."
The letter went on to make the ridiculous accusation that Panda Software,
is a “subsidiary of the Church of Scientology."
How much more blatantly wrong and discriminatory can one be? Panda has no
ties, financial or otherwise, to the Church; it is an independent company
with more than 600 employees, managed by its own executives and board.
The economic consequences for Panda of this religious discrimination have
been brutal. Apart from numerous government agencies, many private
entities in France have also reneged – some with disturbing public vigor –
on their contracts with Panda Software.
Not surprisingly, the private sector soon felt the pressure of
governmental intent and soon followed its lead. All the major supermarket
chains in France – Carrefour, FNAC, Auchan, Cora, Leclerc and Casino –
announced that they are canceling their agreements with Panda. Likewise,
the software wholesaler Ingram Micro has cancelled its contract with Panda
Software in France. As Ingram Micro is a major distributor for the retail
computer hardware and software market, Panda Software is now effectively
barred from selling to this market segment.
As one can imagine, projected economic losses are even greater than actual
losses to date. Because of this discrimination campaign against Panda, the
plan by Panda U.S. to bid for government security contracts in France has
to be shelved. The government sectors in Europe tend to possess the
largest computer structures and networks in the nation, and being unable
to place bids for government contracts puts my company at an extreme
disadvantage vis-à-vis our competitors. It is obvious that Panda Software
has suffered by being denied the respect and status in the private sector
that comes with being a contractual partner in the government sector. My
company produces software for computer security. Having a major European
government spread the false accusation that our software can lead to
security breaches on a computer system has a very chilling effect
worldwide for our company.
Considering further that today we operate in the “global economy” that has
been largely built by U.S. companies, the discriminatory and defamatory
behavior of one of the G-7 countries affects Panda not only in France or
Europe but has a highly negative effect on our business prospects in other
world markets, too.
The effective ban and boycott of Panda Software by the French government
simply because of Mr. Urizarbarrena’s religious association and beliefs
painfully highlights the existence in France of a deliberate government
policy to attack and discriminate against companies, if its leaders have
the audacity to belong to a religion that French politicians don’t favor
and have blacklisted.
I am afraid the economic damage and trade barriers that are being erected
against foreign firms in France are likely to become more prevalent in the
near future. As I mentioned earlier, for the past six years the French
Government has taken increasingly brazen steps against members of minority
religions, and recently France enacted an “anti-sect” law characterized by
American religious observers as a vicious attempt to destroy minority
religions in France.
I am a businessperson. I don’t mind competition. In fact, we thrive
because of competition. It spurs the creation of better products and
better deals and service for the consumer. It creates jobs and prosperity
– this is what makes us proud to be entrepreneurs and is the reward for
the hard work and the risks. I am not asking for advantages or a favored
position, all I ask for is a level playing field.
I therefore implore, Mrs Chairwoman, that you and the U.S. Congress give
serious consideration to the means available under existing legislation or
other available instruments and vehicles to make the French government
realize that discriminating against U.S. companies and persons, based upon
the religious affiliation of their founders or executive staff, is a
violation of international public policy and France’s international treaty
commitments, and that it will not be tolerated by the United States.
Thank you for hearing my testimony.
Rod Keller
Actress
before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
International Operations and Human Rights
July 11, 2001
Madame Chairwoman and distinguished members of the Committee:
I greatly appreciate your decision to hold today's hearing, and I would
like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to testify. I will not
recap all that has gone before, but I do want to recommend, and indeed,
strongly urge, that Congress and the Administration start taking much
tougher measures against western European governments, and especially
France, that persistently refuse to comply with human rights standards.
As I was finalizing my testimony, I read an editorial in yesterday's
Washington Post that ably summarizes the direction French governmental
religious intolerance is taking. The author, who teaches on China-Taiwan
issues at Georgetown's School of Foreign Service, states, "China's
communist leaders have finally found a western human rights model they
like: France's new anti-cult law making 'mental manipulation' a crime...
Chinese officials now triumphantly canvas American academics, touting the
French law as partial vindication for China's much criticized human rights
posture." And he adds, "The French connection in China's anti-human rights
campaign is not new; parallel efforts by the two governments last month
succeeded in ejecting the United States from the United Nations Human
Rights Commission." It is ironic that the official in charge of Paris's
bid to host the 2008 Olympic Games cited China's human rights record as a
reason the Games should not go to Beijing. The testimony presented today
makes clear that not only the Chinese, but also the French government, is
in violation of the non-discrimination clause in the Olympic Charter.
The new French law to "Reinforce the Prevention and Repression of
Sectarian Groups" is intentionally designed to deprive hundreds of
thousands, perhaps millions, of people of their right to worship freely.
Essentially, the new law makes it illegal for religions to help those that
they have traditionally helped, i.e., the spiritually afflicted. With this
law, repressive and intolerant French officials and politicians have
engineered the legal instruments to enforce the death penalty on minority
religious groups.
The fight against religious discrimination in Europe does not mean, as
some French and German officials have tried to argue, that we are
demanding official recognition as a religion for all minority faiths. It
does mean that we insist that the governments of those countries honor
their international human rights commitments to respect a personÕs freedom
of thought, conscience, religion, belief or association.
Madame Chairwoman, this is by no means the first time that my
fellow-artists and I have testified before Congress about such human
rights violations. All of us have spoken with the victims of religious
intolerance, many of whom are not really equipped to give their grievances
a public airing. That is why hearings such as the one today are so
valuable. Artists like
Isaac Hayes, Anne Archer, Chick Corea, John Travolta and I appreciate the
forum to speak out for people, who otherwise would have no spokesperson.
We are here to make sure their voices are heard.
France is a leader in Europe, a pivotal member of the European Union and
the Council of Europe. If we cannot persuade the French government to
uphold standards of human rights, what must be our chances of success when
dealing with countries like the Sudan or Iraq?
Much good work has been done over the years to expose religious
discrimination in western Europe. In 1997, the Commission for Security in
Cooperation in Europe held a major hearing, and the Commission has
continued to express concerns about the situation in succeeding years.
Last year, I and other witnesses testified before the full House
International Relations Committee that discrimination and intolerance
continued to worsen in France, Germany, Belgium and Austria. The
International Relations Committee has passed two resolutions deploring the
abuses, and calling on the responsible governments to return to the
principles of tolerance and religious pluralism.
Successive years of U.S. State Department Annual Human Rights Reports have
tracked the growing intolerance in France, and the U.S. government has
called upon the governments of France, Belgium and Austria to close their
"anti-sect" offices. Many congressmen and senators have expressed their
concerns to the French government, both through correspondence and in
person. International human rights organizations, both private and
governmental, have charted the increasing militancy of the offending
governments.
These are necessary and valuable measures, and without them, the situation
would be even graver than it is. But despite all the well-intentioned
efforts of Congress and the State Department, the French government has
not softened its policies of intolerance, but has made them more extreme.
What sort of message is France, a leading world democracy, sending to
emerging democracies about what constitutes acceptable treatment of
minorities? What are French officials and politicians communicating to,
say, African countries, or to eastern European states seeking access to
the European Union? How discouraging must it be to artists whose right to
freedom of expression is denied under totalitarian governments, when they
see a senior French government official visiting Beijing to discuss how to
wipe out minority religions?
I believe, Madame Chairwoman, that the time has come for Congress to take
firm and unequivocal action against western European governments that fail
to comply with international human rights law. We have a responsibility
under the International Religious Freedom Act, and as Americans, to
protect the rights of minority religious members, especially American
citizens. Indeed, the act provides for trade penalties to be taken against
governments that engage in acts of religious persecution. The French
government has now placed on the books a law that is tailor-made to create
persecution, and to deny religious adherents their right to worship in
community with others, freely practice their religion and associate with
their co-religionists. Within the next few months, we can expect French
authorities to move to dissolve targeted religious organizations. I
strongly recommend that the Administration and Congress look seriously at
applying trade penalties if the French government uses the new law to
engage in religious persecution against peaceful religious groups for
exercising their right to worship.
And I would like to make one last point. Surely now, with all the evidence
in, the time has come for hard-nosed legislation mandating sanctions
against foreign governments that engage in repeated and persistent acts of
religious discrimination. Tough, uncompromising laws by the United States
are needed to drive home that human rights violations such as we have
heard today are completely unacceptable, and that the United States will
not stand by and permit them to continue.
Thank you very much for hearing my testimony.
Zinj
>
>Testimony of Isaac Hayes
>Artist
>
>before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
>International Operations and Human Rights
>
>July 11, 2001
>
>Madame Chairwoman and distinguished members of the Committee:
>
Shaft! Shut yo mouf!
<snip>
Zinj
>
>Testimony of Patrick Hinojosa
>Chief Financial Officer and Vice President
>Panda Software U.S.
>
>before the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights,
>International House Relations Committee
>
>July 11, 2001
>
>Chairwoman Ros-Lehtinen and distinguished members of the Subcommittee.
>
>My name is Patrick Hinojosa. I am the Chief Financial Officer and Vice
>President of Panda Software US, which is part of Panda Software
>International. Panda is the fourth largest producer of anti-virus software
>in the world. The market for computer anti-virus software has grown to
>approximately one billion dollars per year and continues to expand. The
>biggest markets for Panda are the United States, Great Britain, France and
>the U.S. and international offices of Boeing Corporation. It is widely
>recognized that in Europe our company is the industry leader.
<snip>
On 17 Jun 2001 18:26:48 -0400, zinj...@i.am (Zinj) wrote:
>OK OK Mr. former Lurker... you're smart enough to be disingenuous.
>I think you're very capable of recognizing that Pippi didn't mean whether a
>random car (violence) or a meteor impact (violence) happened to 'harm' a
>Scientologist was the question.
Well, I must not be that smart. I wasn't really trying to be
disingenuous. It was clear that Pippi meant "Scientologist being hurt
for being a Scientologist", but she hadn't qualified that by saying
"being hurt from a critic of Scientology", which you did. I guess you
could say that someone hurting another because of their religion is
also a critic of that religion, but I'm implying "activist critics" as
found here on ars.
>/action shakes his head more in sorrow than in nit picking.
<grin> Pitiful, I know...
>You *are* smart enough to recognize that the question was whether a
>Scientologist qua Scientologist had been harmed for being a Scientologist.
Right. That is understood.
>This is very important thanks to Scientology's desperate desire to join the
>Victimology Club. You join it later yourself.
>Very strange behavior for Homo Novus.
Oh come on, that's not fair. I was hardly trying to look like a
victim. The incident happened and I reported it as an appropriate
response in this thread!
>
>>>
>>>>IIRC, there was another incident around the same time, but I don't
>>>>recall the specifics.
>>>
>>>I can't think of any documented case where a 'critic' of Scientology
committed
>>>any violence on a Scientologist or Scientology property. And you just know
that
>>>anything would be very well documented.
>>
>>Of course it would be documented. No contest there. Again though, no
>>stipulation on being a critic has been made (other than by you).
>
>Because I'm capable of understanding the question, and not interested in
>dissembling you dork :)
Hmmm, should I go there? Nah, not today.
...
>>>Certainly not all Scientologists pose a security risk around sensitive data,
>>>but considering Scientology's documented infiltration tactics, it's a real
>>>concern.
>>
>>I can understand that, though I think it is largely unwarranted. The
>>truth is, your typical Scnist is not a threat to anybody. Emphasis on
>>typical. I think it is within the realms of certain Scn organizations
>>to attempt to plant people into sensitive posts. But with that said,
>>the plant wouldn't be known as a Scnists...
>>
>
>A 'mole' Scn is by definition a security risk.
>What I'm talking about is whether a non-mole scientologist would, upon
>receiving a call from his spiritual leaders, put the absolute ethical/moral
>mandate to further Scientology above any wog 'job' concern.
Good, we agree here.
>Let me give you a hypothetical.
>
>An Earthlink employee, a sys-admin, gets a call from his C/S saying 'Look, we
>need your help. There is an SP who is criminally attacking Scientology, and he
>has an Earthlink account. We need you to get us all of his personal
>information, e-mail and as far as possible a complete log of all his
activities
>online. This is very important to Scientology.'
>
>How will that Scientologist react?
>
>'Fuck you!' ?
>'I'm sorry, that's against my ethical code as a sys-admin'
>'Jeezis! You guys are out of your minds! That would get me fired!'
>'Well, it's tricky, but I think I can get it'
>'Gotcha!'
>
>Now former Lurker... which of these answers are completely inconcievable?
I won't lie and say that this employee wouldn't play ball with the org
on this one (though it wouldn't be a C/S as a nit picky point).
If the ELN staff in question was true blue CofS, I say it would start
at B and work it's way to D after some coercion.
><snip>
>
>(and with respect for better comm than most, despite the disingenuous early
>response)
>
>Oh.. and I forgot almost. I agree that a Scientologist per se is probably not
>much more likely to commit violence on a critic than the statistical average.
>But, Scientology *does* promote hate-think on SP's, and what people do as
>agents of the Scientology organization have little to do with their personal
>actions. Working under religious guidance, a Scientologist has *no* limit.
I do agree that the CofS fosters an almost evangelical "opp term" with
perceived SPs, but I wouldn't call it hate. I would also agree that
some Scnists would (and have for that matter) cross ethical and moral
boundaries to further the cause of the group.
I wouldn't absolutely agree though, that "Working under religious
guidance, a Scientologist has *no* limit". This statement is way too
broad and not applicable to most of us.
- SCN (de)Lurker
Why are Scientology based companies 'de-facto' suspect?
Zinj
Michael 'Mike' Gormez - www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
>Testimony of Isaac Hayes
>You will hear from French officials trying to explain away the intolerance
>that "freedom in France is not the same as freedom in the United States."
>But this argument comes from the perpetrators of intolerance, not its
>victims. Freedom is freedom. It means freedom to think and believe
>according to one's conscience, and that includes the freedom to
>communicate one's ideas and beliefs, and the freedom to act upon them.
What a loon. The Aum cult would kill thousands of people when allowed to
act upon their beliefs.
>German government's domestic security agency, the Office for the
>Protection of the Constitution. In addition, although the German federal
>government claims to have relaxed its use of so-called "sect filters"
no such thing
M'tje
--
Scientology & Dianetics
Tax-exempt child abuse and neglect?
www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
ptsc
Isaac Hayes serves up some Hot Buttered Bullshit:
>The French government is undoubtedly the most intolerant in western
>Europe.
So in other words, the French government is worse than the German
government, which according to Scientology criminals and liars is as
bad as the Nazis, therefore France is worse than Nazi Germany.
Christ, psychotic cultists. But the money is good so the
International Crime-Lovers Committee goes right along with it.
ptsc
ptsc
>Testimony of Patrick Hinojosa
>Chief Financial Officer and Vice President
>Panda Software U.S.
[. . .]
>Madame Chairwoman, I greatly appreciate your invitation to testify today
>about the practice of religious discrimination in European Union
>countries, and how such discrimination can act as a trade barrier to U.S.
>and other foreign companies doing business in the European Union. As
>Panda SoftwareÕs recent experiences in France illustrate, governmental
>religious discrimination can have a serious commercial impact in the
>public and private sector on companies whose ownership or employees belong
>to a disfavored religious minority. Panda Software in France, which is
>majority- owned by Panda USA, has had government and private contracts
>cancelled, been permanently precluded from future procurements, and has
>been the subject of damning and false public accusations by French
>officials. Since Panda became the target of such religious and economic
>discrimination in France, which has been our third largest market after
>the United States and Great Britain, our French subsidiary operation has
>suffered a devastating 50% drop in revenue.
Of course. Why the fuck would a government buy a security product
from a cult convicted of burglarizing and wiretapping government
offices, extortion and homicide?
ptsc
Feisty
> Testimony of Patrick Hinojosa
> Chief Financial Officer and Vice President
> Panda Software U.S.
>
> before the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights,
> International House Relations Committee
>
> July 11, 2001
>
> Chairwoman Ros-Lehtinen and distinguished members of the Subcommittee.
>
> My name is Patrick Hinojosa. I am the Chief Financial Officer and Vice
> President of Panda Software US, which is part of Panda Software
> International. Panda is the fourth largest producer of anti-virus software
> in the world. The market for computer anti-virus software has grown to
> approximately one billion dollars per year and continues to expand. The
> biggest markets for Panda are the United States, Great Britain, France and
> the U.S. and international offices of Boeing Corporation. It is widely
> recognized that in Europe our company is the industry leader.
I have money - MONEY MONEY!
I have control - CONTROL CONTROL!
JUST TRY TO UNDUE ALL OF MY SOFTWARE - HUH?!!
Forget who I am! and look at my MONEY!!!!!
>
> Madame Chairwoman, I greatly appreciate your invitation to testify today
> about the practice of religious discrimination in European Union
> countries, and how such discrimination can act as a trade barrier to U.S.
> and other foreign companies doing business in the European Union. As
> Panda SoftwareŐs recent experiences in France illustrate, governmental
> religious discrimination can have a serious commercial impact in the
> public and private sector on companies whose ownership or employees belong
> to a disfavored religious minority. Panda Software in France, which is
> majority- owned by Panda USA, has had government and private contracts
> cancelled, been permanently precluded from future procurements, and has
> been the subject of damning and false public accusations by French
> officials. Since Panda became the target of such religious and economic
> discrimination in France, which has been our third largest market after
> the United States and Great Britain, our French subsidiary operation has
> suffered a devastating 50% drop in revenue.
Look whats happening to MY MONEY !!!!!
I'm supposed to make MORE MONEY DAMNIT!!
Now listen up! Even my private business to steer these codgers and coots
in is suffering. My religion says I can make as much money as I want
BOY AM I IMPORTANT! Look what EL RUMMY and gREED Slatkin
can do. I wanna do it too!
I'm a yankee doodle dandy! (chortle)
(snip total bs)
Feisty
Roland
--
"I notice that we all believe that Venus has a methane atmosphere and
is unlivable. I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other
day -- didn't look very uncivilized to me." - L. Ron Hubbard,
"Between Lives Implants" lecture, SHSBC #317. 23 July 1963.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram
DilbertPerkins
Lisa Marie Prestly - Bimbo
Kirsty Alley - Bimbo
Jeanna Elfman - SuperBimbo
Kelly Preston - Bimbo
John Travolta - Bimbo
and now...
Issiac Hayes - Bimbo
What EVER!
roger gonnet
Rod Keller <rke...@netaxs.com> a écrit dans le message :
9ihifs$k...@netaxs.com...
> Committee on International Relations
> U.S. House of Representatives
> Washington, D.C. 20515
>
> Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights
> Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida, Chairperson
Well, the OSA goons and their bribed dishonest pro-criminal cults puppets
from the worse maffia called scientology, are again on the scenes.
Better write a lot of letters to all the deputies from the congress, because
we have to make our desk job too.
roger
roger gonnet
I'll comment later. But he's a criminal liar, and I hope he'll lose his
total clientele in france the next month.
His first lie is that there was a govt campaign against his products. The
campaign was a media campaign, and very small and short.
roger
Rod Keller <rke...@netaxs.com> a Ècrit dans le message :
9iim8t$5...@netaxs.com...
> Ministry of the Interior, and the regional governmental bodies of CrZteil
> and Montpellier announced that they were terminating their agreements with
> Panda because of its founder’s religious adherence. Government councils of
> the Gironde, CTte d’Armor, and Aube regions also announced that they were
> disadvantage vis-^-vis our competitors. It is obvious that Panda Software
roger gonnet
Rev. Norle Enturbulata <earthlig...@nothotmail.com> a écrit dans le
message : 994881453.12864.0...@news.demon.co.uk...
You're right, this is very important to do. Acting now is really the thing
to do.
roger
roger gonnet
Rod Keller <rke...@netaxs.com> a écrit dans le message :
9iim4o$5...@netaxs.com...
> Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> Artist
>
>
> religious freedom in Paris. Thousands of people belonging to many
> different faiths from all over the world had assembled in Paris to speak
> out for human rights.
Liar: see the shots: they were not more than 1100, that's not thousands.
We were a peaceful gathering, waving flags and
> singing songs for freedom. Yet the Prefecture would not allow us to march
> through the streets of Paris.
True, but their march of 1100 would have been a severe problem of
circulation for some 12 hours, and Paris has enough of such problemes.
These officials were nervous, frightened and
> intolerant.
wrong, you're a liar; Isaac "HATES"
Under pressure from their government masters, the prefecture
> ordered 300 riot police onto the streets. Then they ordered us to
> disperse.
You had never been allowed to be there as a large picket, so, the police has
just reminded that you were'nt allowed to block the pavements there (and,
I'd add, to spew your hate and lies).
So we did, and we travelled by cars and buses to a wooded area
> near Paris, where we held a concert for human rights. I could not help
> being reminded of the Chinese reaction in 1989, in that dreadful tragedy
> when the tanks advanced on the students in Tiananmen Square. Fear drove
> those tanks. In Paris, thankfully, no one was hurt. But the French
> officials showed that same fear, that same intolerance of peoples' rights
> to hold and to express their personal opinions and beliefs.
You're a criminal liar asking for hate, and I hope that the next time you'll
come in France, you'll be sent back or jailed here for your hate calls.
Nobody had any intention here to 'beat' you here unless you would have
attacked (indeed, you and your destestable friend, the fat OSAgirl calling
herself an actress, have called to hate reactions from the public, and some
of your troops could have insulted the policemen, etc... but happily enough,
your troops did not react).
>
> Members of minority religions have lost their jobs, they have been denied
> access to public facilities, they have been pilloried in the media,
when? Not that day: the medias did not touch ONE single word of your minable
reaction.
etc, etc.
roger gonnet
Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> a écrit dans le message :
p0lokt8095cg853fe...@4ax.com...
> On 11 Jul 2001 12:57:32 GMT, rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote in
> <9ihifs$k...@netaxs.com>:
>
> >Mr. Patrick Hinojosa
> >President
> >Panda Software
>
> http://www.oursites.org/enriquepatriciohinojosa/success.htm
> His success is that he handles people with scientology.
>
> http://www.oursites.org/enriquepatriciohinojosa/myself.htm
> Hmm, this one says he is only 11 years old. So maybe I got the wrong UFO
> cultist :-)
perhaps a junior of the senior!
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
I'd love to work with El Queso on a lampoon of "Shaft", ala:
"Ya know I been fooled by a cult that makes the moves empowering the Black
man but givin him the...
Shaft!
Yo' damn right..."
Eh?
Unknown
<roger....@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>
>Rod Keller <rke...@netaxs.com> a écrit dans le message :
>9iim4o$5...@netaxs.com...
>> Testimony of Isaac Hayes
>> Artist
...
> These officials were nervous, frightened and
>> intolerant.
>
>
>wrong, you're a liar; Isaac "HATES"
>
> Under pressure from their government masters, the prefecture
>> ordered 300 riot police onto the streets. Then they ordered us to
>> disperse.
>
>You had never been allowed to be there as a large picket, so, the police has
>just reminded that you were'nt allowed to block the pavements there (and,
>I'd add, to spew your hate and lies).
>
Sounds like you really hate what Isaac said, Roger!
Jack Craver
news:9ijmch$2gnf$1...@news6.isdnet.net...
>
> Rod Keller <rke...@netaxs.com> a écrit dans le message :
> 9iim4o$5...@netaxs.com...
> > Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> > Artist
<snip>
> So we did, and we travelled by cars and buses to a wooded area
> > near Paris, where we held a concert for human rights. I could not help
> > being reminded of the Chinese reaction in 1989, in that dreadful tragedy
> > when the tanks advanced on the students in Tiananmen Square. Fear drove
> > those tanks. In Paris, thankfully, no one was hurt. But the French
> > officials showed that same fear, that same intolerance of peoples' rights
> > to hold and to express their personal opinions and beliefs.
>
> You're a criminal liar asking for hate, and I hope that the next time you'll
> come in France, you'll be sent back or jailed here for your hate calls.
<snip>
Fascinating.
jack
roger gonnet
<Baron> a écrit dans le message :
m7uqkto0ftnk9odp2...@4ax.com...
yes guy, I hate liars and their lies, and I am really sad that a good guy
like him has become a true liar without even being conscious that he's now a
crazy imbecile accomplice of criminal people.
roger gonnet
Jack Craver <j.cr...@prsint.com> a écrit dans le message :
9ik2m...@enews2.newsguy.com...
That's indeed what should be asked against such liars, boy. We have already
this law against racism (you'd better make one in your racist country, boy),
and we could have one against those who are overtly lying to destroy a
democracy in order to install a "new world order" - the nazi type.
Germans have one.
Believe me, i'll not make much publicity for this guy from now on. Next
time, he'll cease to allegate ultra lies: don't forget, I was there when he
was spewing his scieno- instilled hate.
roger
>
> jack
>
>
Starshadow
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"roger gonnet" <roger....@worldnet.fr> wrote in message
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> This guy is a fucking liar!
>
> I'll comment later. But he's a criminal liar, and I hope he'll lose
> his total clientele in france the next month.
>
> His first lie is that there was a govt campaign against his
> products. The campaign was a media campaign, and very small and
> short.
>
>
Isaac Hayes lies like a cheap rug. He prolly learned it from the
CofS.
Pity. I used to (many eons ago) like him. Now I have only contempt.
I'm beginning to really, really hate the whole CofS thing of
professional victimhood. Like they are such capable beings except
when someone speaks out against their abuses and then all of a sudden
out comes the hyperbole comparing that to Tienanmen Square or the
Nazi's treatment of Jews. Like France executes people who are
Scn'ists, right, or puts them into prison camps like China does the
Falun Gong. Suuure.
- --
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP4 with clam cluster, Official Wiccan Chaplain
ARSCC(wdne)
"Hubbard is a dead fat fraud who started a "religion" to make money,
and Miscavige is a wheezing dwarf who
makes insane outbursts about public buggery in court. There are no
OTs , and Xenu rules." That should be good for -25 stats points,
right OSA?
(find out what this means at www.clambake.org )
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Tilman Hausherr
<9iim8t$5...@netaxs.com>:
>My name is Patrick Hinojosa. I am the Chief Financial Officer and Vice
>President of Panda Software US, which is part of Panda Software
>International. Panda is the fourth largest producer of anti-virus software
>in the world. The market for computer anti-virus software has grown to
>approximately one billion dollars per year and continues to expand. The
>biggest markets for Panda are the United States, Great Britain, France and
>Germany. PandaÕs American clients include DaimlerChrysler, Panasonic and
>the U.S. and international offices of Boeing Corporation. It is widely
>recognized that in Europe our company is the industry leader.
Hahahaha!!! I had never even heard about Panda before hearing about it
in the context of scientology. The big companies are F-Prot, McAfee and
Norton. And maybe TrendMicro.
Kindof reminds me of Chick Corea. I never heard of him before the
scientology issue.
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
michael pattinson
> Rod Keller wrote:
> >
> > Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> > Artist
> > Probably written, edited and approved by OSA as THEIR action going under the name of someone else.
It is a 99.9% certainty that Isaac Hayes did not originate this
text as published, but only signed on to a cult-directed propaganda
blurb, which is what this text is. It is a spin on reality that
reflects OSA's twisted mentality. "Assign our own significance to
reality, and get the population to swallow it" is the policy here.
More Scientology lies and deception.
Deceit's odor emanates from this "testimony" in my considered
opinion.
M.
Joe's Garage
> Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> Artist
>
> before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
> International Operations and Human Rights
>
> July 11, 2001
> [...] In addition, although the German federal
> government claims to have relaxed its use of so-called "sect filters"
> making employment or contractual relations conditional on individuals
> stating that they are not Scientologists, the public and private sector
> continue to use such filters.
The above is a false rumor which was apparently spread by Scientology with
the aid of the US State Department and the Office of the US Trade
Representative. In reality, the German federal government has publicly
increased its use of the "technology statement." For instance, starting
March 2001, anybody who delivers training to civil servants has had to
sign one (see http://cisar.org/010709a.htm).
The April 30, 2001 Annual Report on Discrimination in Foreign Government
Procurement, issued from the Office of the US Trade Representative,
stated:
-- begin quote
Germany -- "Sect Filters": In September 1998, the German Ministry of
Economics promulgated a "protection clause" (commonly referred to as a
"sect filter") meant to be incorporated into government contracts for
certain training and consultation services. Among other elements, the
clause would have prohibited firms from bidding on German government
contracts if they have employees that attend or participate in Scientology
seminars.
-- end quote
The "protection clause" or "security statement" or "technology statement"
do not mention the word "Scientology." The form which mentions
"Scientology" is a different document altogether. It is a form which
specifically asks job applicants to list Scientology relationships.
Bavarian civil servants have to fill it out to apply for job.
A Munich official erroneously asked a Scientologist who had been with the
Bavarian civil service for ten years to fill out the "Scientology
relationships" application form. The Scientologist sued and won, justly,
because he had been working there for ten years and was not applying for a
job. The Scientologists turned that around to make it sound like they had
won a legal battle against "sect filters."
Scientology has redefined "sect filter" to make it sound like the Germans
are backing off with their "sect filter" from Scientology, which is not an
accurate representation, as far as I can see. I might have explained the
difference between Scientology's two flavors of "sect filter" in better
detail at http://cisar.org/010303c.htm.
And thanks, Rod, for posting this.
Joe Cisar: http://cisar.org/rfs0100.htm
Appreciate the finer things in life: http://www.leipzig-award.org
Save a Scientologist - http://alley.ethercat.com/malloffire
On-line book: http://members.tripod.com/German_Scn_News/has00.htm
roger gonnet
Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> a écrit dans le message :
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> On 11 Jul 2001 23:08:13 GMT, rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote in
> <9iim8t$5...@netaxs.com>:
>
> >My name is Patrick Hinojosa. I am the Chief Financial Officer and Vice
> >President of Panda Software US, which is part of Panda Software
> >International. Panda is the fourth largest producer of anti-virus
software
> >in the world. The market for computer anti-virus software has grown to
> >approximately one billion dollars per year and continues to expand. The
> >biggest markets for Panda are the United States, Great Britain, France
and
> >Germany. PandaÕs American clients include DaimlerChrysler, Panasonic and
> >the U.S. and international offices of Boeing Corporation. It is widely
> >recognized that in Europe our company is the industry leader.
>
> Hahahaha!!! I had never even heard about Panda before hearing about it
> in the context of scientology. The big companies are F-Prot, McAfee and
> Norton. And maybe TrendMicro.
Due to the fact that the spanish guy found one clam from france to manage
his sales there, it seems that he got a lot of clizents there. I've often
seen ads for his clam product.
>
> Kindof reminds me of Chick Corea. I never heard of him before the
> scientology issue.
I had, but he is only a scientologists when he can avoid to pay for
scientology: indeed, seems that he was interested to get FSM comms rather
than speaking with frnehc Oatees when he went here 17 years ago or so.
roger
roger gonnet
michael pattinson <kare...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message :
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> Roland <roland.rash...@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:<3B4D45...@virgin.net>...
> > Rod Keller wrote:
> > >
> > > Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> > > Artist
>
>
>
> > > Probably written, edited and approved by OSA as THEIR action going
under the name of someone else.
> It is a 99.9% certainty that Isaac Hayes did not originate this
> text as published, but only signed on to a cult-directed propaganda
> blurb, which is what this text is. It is a spin on reality that
> reflects OSA's twisted mentality. "Assign our own significance to
> reality, and get the population to swallow it" is the policy here.
> More Scientology lies and deception.
> Deceit's odor emanates from this "testimony" in my considered
> opinion.
Certainly, it is not anything but OSA rants. But this guy said it and wrote
it, so, he is an accomplice of criminals, as well as an imbecile and a
racist helper.
"The problem with China, it's chinese"(L. Ron Hubbard, criminal guru and
serial killer)
roger
Clar...@juno.com
>This guy is a fucking liar!
Listen to who's talking.
>I'll comment later.
What's the problem - MILS hasn't had a chance yet to draft "your"
response? Make sure they provide you with a good translation so we can
comprehend "your" comments for a change.
>But he's a criminal liar, and I hope he'll lose his total clientele in france the next month.
I'm sure you're already planning to boycott him anyway you can.
>His first lie is that there was a govt campaign against his products. The
>campaign was a media campaign, and very small and short.
Getting nervous that the US doesn't put up with your crap? Get used to
it- it will only get more so.
Clark
>roger
Clar...@juno.com
>In article <9iim4o$5...@netaxs.com>, rke...@netaxs.com says...
>>
>>Testimony of Isaac Hayes
>>Artist
>>
>>before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
>>International Operations and Human Rights
>>
>>July 11, 2001
>>
>>Madame Chairwoman and distinguished members of the Committee:
>>
><snip
>
>Shaft! Shut yo mouf!
Drunk again, Zinji? Or is it that you bristle and attack Blacks for speaking out against French discrimination?
Clark
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
<Clar...@juno.com> dribbled in response to zinj...@i.am:
>
> >Shaft! Shut yo mouf!
>
> Drunk again, Zinji? Or is it that you bristle and attack Blacks for
speaking out against French discrimination?
Pretty weak, Clam_bar. It's "discrimination" in the way that I decide to
eat pizza instead of, say, excrement.
Sometime you should try the experiment where you tell one of your clam
mentors that you're thinking of leaving the Co$. Then you'll see why it's a
good reason to leave and get your OWN life under control. Go ahead. Better
yet, tell your supervisors that because of what you're reading on a.r.s.,
you're thinking about leaving the Co$. The speed with which your internet
connection becomes disallowed may further convince you that you should leave
$cientology.
If you're afraid of what might happen if you do the above, maybe that dose
of self-reactive fear should tell you how good an idea it is to leave. Your
money's gone, but you can get your life back. We can help you, and we won't
take your money or cause you to participate in criminal activities, like
your "friends" in $cientology will.
christian rosencreuz
> > > Rosicrucian movement forfeited his parental rights and can now only see
> > > his children once every two weeks between 10am and 6pm. This followed a
> > > divorce and four-year judicial procedure, during which his membership of
> > > the Rosicrucians was used to prejudice the court and local officials
> > > against him.
What Rosicrucian group did the gentleman belong to ? Can we have some
more information on this, including details of how his membership was
used in the court and administrative processes ?
R+C
Tommy
>
> On 11 Jul 2001 19:17:32 -0400, zinj...@i.am (Zinj) wrote:
>
> >In article <9iim4o$5...@netaxs.com>, rke...@netaxs.com says...
> >>
> >>Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> >>Artist
> >>
> >>before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
> >>International Operations and Human Rights
> >>
> >>July 11, 2001
> >>
> >>Madame Chairwoman and distinguished members of the Committee:
> >>
> ><snip
> >
> >Shaft! Shut yo mouf!
>
> Drunk again, Zinji? Or is it that you bristle and attack Blacks for speaking out against French discrimination?
>
"But he's talking 'bout Shaft!"
Tommy
--
A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.
Stephen Jones
Beverly Rice
> Drunk again, Zinji? Or is it that you bristle and attack
> Blacks for speaking out against French discrimination?
Hahahahaha!!! Yeh, thanks for proving the point about why
Co$ uses Isaac Hayes.
What is funny, is back in about '90 when I was at the Co$ school,
a ~Front Group~ via Applied Scholastics for Co$ . . .
they were excited about trying to get a ~famous black~ (for PR
reasons), Shaquille O'Neil, via using yet another Co$ front
group "Drug Free Marshalls" that was able operate out of "Orlando
Fights Back", thinking they could get the Magic involved with the
"Drug Free Marshalls" giving them an ~in~ to "The Shaq".
Didn't work.
Michael Jackson slipped through their fingers, too.
~Finally~ Co$ was able to entice Isaac "In da ~House~" Hayes, so
now you can try to use the ~!* "attack blacks" *!~ button
when someone criticizes his words spoken for the Co$.
But, let's see what ~you~ try to yank anothers chain with,
and see if you will publicly yank the bloated HubTOADS chain
for the ~EXACT~ same thing you bitch to another about.
Bet'cha ~WON'T~ :-)
Clark the Bore sez:
> "Drunk again"
Reality about the HubTOAD:
From The Gerald Armstrong Case
'I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys."
Hubbard, 1967 letter to his wife submitted to the court in the
Armstrong case, authenticity unchallenged by LRH/CoS lawyers
Clark the Bore sez:
> you bristle and attack Blacks
Yet Ill Rum HubTOADio sez:
"Don't break your back scrubbing floors. Get yourself a nigger,
that's what they were born for.
L Ron Hubbard in letter to Sara Northrup
"The South African native is probably the one impossible person
to train in the entire world--he is probably impossible by any
human standard."
-L. Ron Hubbard
"...the Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because
there are no madhouses provided by his tribe."
L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,
Bridge Publications, Los Angeles, 1995.
Yet again, I can only say, you ~are~ a perfect example of one of
the many spiritually deficient products of the Co$.
ARC = As-Ising the Real Co$,
Beverly
Kristi Wachter
camera, a black gentleman was passing by and called out to Craig "Hubbard
was racist! You should be ashamed of yourself!"
Craig appeared to be rather taken aback.
I've pointed out some of LRH's racist statements before to Craig, but he
doesn't seem to listen to me. He seemed a little surprised to hear it from
a passing stranger - a black man he couldn't dismiss as racist.
Kristi
--
Kristi Wachter
the activist formerly known as "Jour" (before $cientology outed me)
If I am not who you say I am, then you are not who you think you are.
- James Baldwin
I think $cientology is hurting people and breaking the law, and I
want them to stop it. See http://www.scientology-lies.com for more.
Rev Fredric L. Rice
>On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:10:50 +0200, "roger gonnet" <roger....@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>>This guy is a fucking liar!
>Listen to who's talking.
When you can find anything inaccurate or "sadly mistaken" poosted here
by any of the human rights or freedom of speech rights activists, you'll
let us know, won't you?
Thanks.
---
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Tommy
>
> Testimony of Isaac Hayes
> Artist
>
> before the International House Relations Committee Subcommittee on
> International Operations and Human Rights
>
> July 11, 2001
>
> Madame Chairwoman and distinguished members of the Committee:
>
>
> religious freedom in Paris. Thousands of people belonging to many
> different faiths from all over the world had assembled in Paris to speak
> out for human rights. We were a peaceful gathering, waving flags and
> singing songs for freedom. Yet the Prefecture would not allow us to march
> through the streets of Paris. These officials were nervous, frightened and
> intolerant. Under pressure from their government masters, the prefecture
> ordered 300 riot police onto the streets. Then they ordered us to
> disperse. So we did, and we travelled by cars and buses to a wooded area
> near Paris, where we held a concert for human rights. I could not help
> being reminded of the Chinese reaction in 1989, in that dreadful tragedy
> when the tanks advanced on the students in Tiananmen Square. Fear drove
> those tanks. In Paris, thankfully, no one was hurt.
Yeah, except for the tanks, and the use of force, and the killing, and
the media blackout, your failed march and the Tianamen Square massacre
were JUST ALIKE, huh?
Thanks for trivializing the deaths of kids who just wanted to have a
say, you theta-for-brains has-been.
I'm going to take great pleasure from pissing on your grave.
Tommy
--
Thank you for your very detailed letter regarding
Scientology. We haven't yet found a way to attack
these jackals who feed on children and young adults
who are too emotionally weak to stand by themselves
when they reach the age of consent.
Congressman Leo J. Ryan, shortly before being gunned down
by another cult in Jonestown
roger gonnet
christian rosencreuz <rosen...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
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I believe it was something called Rose Croix d'Or, but unsure.
roger