Another anonymous Scientology member in hiding. (Where is hiding on the "Tone Scale"?).
Simkatu
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Of course that wasn't really Dave.
Yet another example where a Church of Scientology member covers up
their actions by hiding behind an anonymous remailer.
Where is "hiding" on the tone scale?
Autobot Agip19434
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AJ Simkatu [korey j. kruse, university of kansas, biomechanical
engineer, drug user, liar, stalker, anti-religious extremist, jailed for
theft]
Tilman Hausherr
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Kathy True
How am I supposed to know if it's hidden? Tell me everything you know about
it and I'll get some OSA volunteers and pi's to try find it.
Kathy True, OSA Int
---
If you're a Scientology critic, I will gladly take your computer today in
exchange for a new one tomorrow.
Mrs G Idda
"Kathy True" <WhatsTr...@OSAInt.org> wrote in message
news:HG2OUN2A3878...@anonymous.poster...
Could you get the PIs to look for Gavino while you at it?
Bode Brausnan
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
> I hope you accept my apology.
> -- Dave Touretzky: “How much to rent the giant clam costume?
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets
Here we see what can only be described as organized crime forging
a message by Dr. Touretzky to "as is" propaganda. I thought
Scientology said they "don't do this any more."
barbz
--
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.
$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser
Ball of Fluff
"Dave Touretzky" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:IRTSZYMG38783.9796296296@anonymous.poster...
> Hello Barbara,
>
> On October 8, 2005, I was in my room at the Hidden Valley Resort and for
> some odd reason I began thinking about you.
>
> You have most likely observed that I never responded to any of your
> postings.
>
>
> I owe you an apology because I orchestrated several attacks against you
> behind the scenes.
>
> Honestly I did not send you the dildo invoice directly but I arranged this
> through someone else. I was hoping it would backfire on Scientology but I
> was wrong - hard to admit. Yes, I did buy those dildos. I am too
> embarrassed to say what I am using them for. Garry Scarff lied when he
> said that he spoke with the owner of JT Stockroom. I'll post a photo
> showing the box that contained the dildos along with the original label.
And what about me? I received one, too.
>
> There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
> forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
> do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
> source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it. They
> have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
> source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
> "free speech" or "parody". They are plain and simple forgeries and
> whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don't want any part in
> this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
> forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
>
> You are right I have been threatening ISPs that I would file a libel suit
> if they did not cooperate with me and squelch your website. I know this
> goes against everything I have said concerning free speech. Do you
> understand that having the dildo invoice out there makes me look bad? Do
> you also understand that those racial slurs I made on the chat channel are
> very damaging? You left me no choice than getting them removed any way I
> could.
>
> Cerridwen, Patty Pieniadz that is, has recently come out posting with her
> real name and has made a lot of allegations on ars.
Patty has posted, but she's not Cerridwen.
>I have lied about her
> in the past in attempt to cover up who she really is. Rob Clark met with
> Patty at her house.
Do tell.
> Maybe one of these days I will take the "beast" out and visit her too. By
> the way did you know that MailMan, Lagniappe and Cerridwen are all Patty
> Pieniadz?
LOL. We are all Patty Pieniadz.No, wait, we're all Janet Lee.
>You need to understand that if Patty admits to being Cerridwen
> she is history because she committed criminal copyright violations which
> nowadays get prosecuted by the feds.
>
> I am aware that I conduct non-academic business from CMU (read my postings
> and you will see that they originate from CMU with the exception of this
> one which isn't from CMU). CMU is a very liberal university. Professors
> are encouraged to speak their mind and do so freely and openly *within
> their area of study and within the goals and objectives of the
> university*. In fact, the university takes pride in protecting their First
> Amendment Rights. However, there is a professor's code of conduct
> requiring academic integrity and "respect for the dignity" of others.
> Professors will be punished if they misuse their authority to intimidate
> or defame others (i.e. an improper relationship with a student), steal, or
> destroy university property. Several levels of punishment exist, from
> salary reduction, public apology, or being banned from working on a grant.
> The most severe punishment is dismissal for cause because of proven
> incompetence, moral turpitude, or criminal violations. Allegations of
> misconduct go to the President of CMU, are reviewed by a Faculty
> Committee, and are then sent to the Board of Trustees for confirmation.
> Those three administrative levels must be in agreement.
>
> I hope you accept my apology.
>
> If you want to email me here is my email address: d...@cs.cmu.edu
>
Forgery.
How despicable.
C
Ball of Fluff
Mrs G Idda wrote:
> >
> > How am I supposed to know if it's hidden? Tell me everything you know
> > about
> > it and I'll get some OSA volunteers and pi's to try find it.
> >
> > Kathy True, OSA Int
> > ---
> > If you're a Scientology critic, I will gladly take your computer today in
> > exchange for a new one tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Could you get the PIs to look for Gavino while you at it?
It takes a village to...
look after your husband...
C
Barbara Schwarz
Dave Touretzky schrieb:
> Hello Barbara,
Unlike the others, I think that Dave Touretzky indeed mailed that
message. He did it with an anonymous sender that he can always say that
he didn't post it in case he has to face up to it.
>
> On October 8, 2005, I was in my room at the Hidden Valley Resort and for
> some odd reason I began thinking about you.
Took you a long time to get the courage to mail it.
>
> You have most likely observed that I never responded to any of your postings.
Don't worry about that Dave, I can live with it, and I found some nasty
remarks about me in the Wikipedia talk pages, they'll do.
>
>
> I owe you an apology because I orchestrated several attacks against you
> behind the scenes.
I am glad that you finally come clean on that. Took you quite some
time.
>
> Honestly I did not send you the dildo invoice directly but I arranged this
> through someone else.
I suspected something like that. But that means despite the DNA of the
mail men, and that friend of yours, your own DNA is also in the letter,
right?
> I was hoping it would backfire on Scientology but I
> was wrong - hard to admit.
With idiots like Claire and Garry it would work, but I noticed in
meantime that I am none.
>Yes, I did buy those dildos.
How disgusting. You also copied them from the catalog and attached
copies of them. You stole my innocence, Dave. Before I got the letter,
I didn't even know what those are. Now, I have the images in my mind,
luckily I have so much to do that I can't think of these unnatural
instruments. (Porn toys also violate Jewish laws as you very well
know.)
> I am too
> embarrassed to say what I am using them for.
Don't try to explain.
>Garry Scarff lied when he
> said that he spoke with the owner of JT Stockroom.
We know that. He even invented a clerk, Adrien, who never worked there.
> I'll post a photo
> showing the box that contained the dildos along with the original label.
But don't mail them to me, okay?
>
> There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
> forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
> do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
> source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it.
You better back away from your pot friend Korey Jerome Kruse as he is
one of the major suspects.
>They
> have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
> source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
> "free speech" or "parody". They are plain and simple forgeries and
> whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don't want any part in
> this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
> forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
I am glad that you came to this conclusion, Dave, but it is one of your
usual reclaimers who might not save your neck at the very end. You have
to remove those bomb instructions before somebody follows them and
people are being hurt.
>
> You are right I have been threatening ISPs that I would file a libel suit
> if they did not cooperate with me and squelch your website. I know this
> goes against everything I have said concerning free speech. Do you
> understand that having the dildo invoice out there makes me look bad? Do
> you also understand that those racial slurs I made on the chat channel are
> very damaging? You left me no choice than getting them removed any way I
> could.
You probably never were as honest as now, Dave, but there is a way out
of the embarassment. Here is what I conclude:
1) Re-name your rats. Call them appropriately Adolf Hitler and Eva
Brown not Ron and his alleged wife. Ron was cool.
2) Remove your bomb instructions
3) Stop working for the p$ychs. Sue them for damages that they used
you.
4) Stop attacking and defaming Ron and my religion. However, you may go
after psychiatric infiltrators in the orgs but don't mix 'em up with
real and good Scientologists.
5) Stop attacking the study tech and Narconon, both work.
6) Stop obsessing with porn and go for romance instead.
7) Remove the defamatory article on me of the SL Tribune from your
website.
8) Never make any racial slurs anymore.
9) Tell other anti-religious extremists to lay off religion and get a
life.
10) Try to be the best you can be and the public embarrassment will
slide away and you will be happy.
>
> Cerridwen, Patty Pieniadz that is, has recently come out posting with her
> real name and has made a lot of allegations on ars. I have lied about her
> in the past in attempt to cover up who she really is.
I am sure you did.
>Rob Clark met with
> Patty at her house.
I should have know that this little sexual harasser is still around.
> Maybe one of these days I will take the "beast" out and visit her too. By
> the way did you know that MailMan, Lagniappe and Cerridwen are all Patty
> Pieniadz? You need to understand that if Patty admits to being Cerridwen
> she is history because she committed criminal copyright violations which
> nowadays get prosecuted by the feds.
Lagniappe is Patty? I thought it is Patricia Greenwood. But yes, Patty
knows more about donuts but laws.
>
> I am aware that I conduct non-academic business from CMU (read my postings
> and you will see that they originate from CMU with the exception of this
> one which isn't from CMU).
I see. You thought about anything to cover your tracks.
>CMU is a very liberal university. Professors
> are encouraged to speak their mind and do so freely and openly *within
> their area of study and within the goals and objectives of the
> university*. In fact, the university takes pride in protecting their First
> Amendment Rights. However, there is a professor's code of conduct
> requiring academic integrity and "respect for the dignity" of others.
> Professors will be punished if they misuse their authority to intimidate
> or defame others (i.e. an improper relationship with a student), steal, or
> destroy university property. Several levels of punishment exist, from
> salary reduction, public apology, or being banned from working on a grant.
> The most severe punishment is dismissal for cause because of proven
> incompetence, moral turpitude, or criminal violations. Allegations of
> misconduct go to the President of CMU, are reviewed by a Faculty
> Committee, and are then sent to the Board of Trustees for confirmation.
> Those three administrative levels must be in agreement.
That means that under the rules you are in troubles.
>
> I hope you accept my apology.
In order to do that, Dave, I need to see actions. See points 1-10
otherwise nothing of our "loving relationship" will change.
>
> If you want to email me here is my email address: d...@cs.cmu.edu
I'll e-mail you after accomplishment of the 10 items.
>
> -- Dave Touretzky: "How much to rent the giant clam costume?
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets
L. Ron Hubbard said that the door is always a bit open. (Also for the
bad boys if they want to change.)
Anyway, and here is one serious addition of mine, Dave. I learned you
have an illegitime child, an Italian boy but no detective ever found
any thread of evidence that you pay child support for that kid. You cry
out for him all the time on ARS: "Mia bambini...." Mail him a check,
Dave, he needs it for vitamins that nobody ever puts him on Ritalin.
Barbara Schwarz
Mrs G Idda
"Dave Touretzky" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:IRTSZYMG38783.9796296296@anonymous.poster...
> Hello Barbara,
>
> some odd reason I began thinking about you.
>
> postings.
>
>
> behind the scenes.
>
> was wrong - hard to admit. Yes, I did buy those dildos. I am too
> embarrassed to say what I am using them for. Garry Scarff lied when he
> said that he spoke with the owner of JT Stockroom. I'll post a photo
> showing the box that contained the dildos along with the original label.
>
> forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
> do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
> have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
> source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
> "free speech" or "parody". They are plain and simple forgeries and
> whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don't want any part in
> this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
> forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
>
> if they did not cooperate with me and squelch your website. I know this
> goes against everything I have said concerning free speech. Do you
> understand that having the dildo invoice out there makes me look bad? Do
> you also understand that those racial slurs I made on the chat channel are
> very damaging? You left me no choice than getting them removed any way I
> could.
>
> real name and has made a lot of allegations on ars. I have lied about her
> Patty at her house.
> Maybe one of these days I will take the "beast" out and visit her too. By
> the way did you know that MailMan, Lagniappe and Cerridwen are all Patty
> Pieniadz? You need to understand that if Patty admits to being Cerridwen
> she is history because she committed criminal copyright violations which
> nowadays get prosecuted by the feds.
>
> and you will see that they originate from CMU with the exception of this
> are encouraged to speak their mind and do so freely and openly *within
> their area of study and within the goals and objectives of the
> university*. In fact, the university takes pride in protecting their First
> Amendment Rights. However, there is a professor's code of conduct
> requiring academic integrity and "respect for the dignity" of others.
> Professors will be punished if they misuse their authority to intimidate
> or defame others (i.e. an improper relationship with a student), steal, or
> destroy university property. Several levels of punishment exist, from
> salary reduction, public apology, or being banned from working on a grant.
> The most severe punishment is dismissal for cause because of proven
> incompetence, moral turpitude, or criminal violations. Allegations of
> misconduct go to the President of CMU, are reviewed by a Faculty
> Committee, and are then sent to the Board of Trustees for confirmation.
> Those three administrative levels must be in agreement.
>
>
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets
Gavino!
You've really lost it now! You're bank is totally caving in on you!
Patty = Cerridwen = MailMan = Lagniappe = PTSC = That Fucking Touretzky =
Barbara Schwartz = The FBI = The Psychs = Cerridwen = PTSC = CMU = dildos =
Mailman..........
You know what this means........................The introspection R/D is not
*that* bad. I mean only one or two people have died on it. It's not like
cockroach bites are *that* bad or that water is *that* important.
You'll get through it. But you just need to come home NOW!
Andy Hoare
>There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
>forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
>do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
>source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it. They
>have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
>source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
>“free speech” or “parody”. They are plain and simple forgeries and
>whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don’t want any part in
>this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
>forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
These forgeries MUST STOP!
Do something about them Gavino! I thought you said you had pi's and lawyers
that knew what they were doing!
Andy Hoare, OSA Int Volunteer
Ken Shapiro
>There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
>forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
>do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
>source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it. They
>have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
>source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
>“free speech” or “parody”. They are plain and simple forgeries and
>whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don’t want any part in
>this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
>forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
Gavino, I hope you realize how much my reputation is suffering from all of
these forgeries! After spreading black propaganda about Chuck Beatty,
everybody thought I was one of the finest examples of what we expect of a
scientologist. But look what's happened now!
Do something about this, you incompetent farting turd!
Ken Shapiro, OSA Int Volunteer
David Jay Lebow
feeding his fantasies to his most trusted OSA volunteer but he wouldn't
listen to X..u and the Chief OSA Volunteer Moron wrote:
>There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
>forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
>do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
>source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it. They
>have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
>source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
>“free speech” or “parody”. They are plain and simple forgeries and
>whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don’t want any part in
>this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
>forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
I am a private investigator but IANAL. That being said, the false
statements were ABOVE their name. Not under it.
I hope you haven't screwed up again with this legal technicality Gavino!
I'd better have a talk with Lynn Farny about this...
David Jay Lebow
Lynn Farny
>Gavino!
He can't hear you. It's the rice and beans. His farts are like THUNDER.
We've had to get him a phone that lights up and dances on his desk so he
can SEE when his volunteers call to scream at him for getting them into so
much trouble.
>You've really lost it now! You're bank is totally caving in on you!
>
>Patty = Cerridwen = MailMan = Lagniappe = PTSC = That Fucking Touretzky =
>Barbara Schwartz = The FBI = The Psychs = Cerridwen = PTSC = CMU = dildos =
>Mailman..........
You forgot somebody.
XENU!
>You know what this means........................The introspection R/D is not
>*that* bad. I mean only one or two people have died on it. It's not like
>cockroach bites are *that* bad or that water is *that* important.
>
>You'll get through it. But you just need to come home NOW!
You're shouting. But you're shouting in a wind tunnel. HE CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Lynn Farny, OSA Int
Mary Demoss
impersonate Dave Touretzky wrote:
>There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
>forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
>do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
>source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it. They
>have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
>source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
>“free speech” or “parody”. They are plain and simple forgeries and
>whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don’t want any part in
>this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
>forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
This is not how things were supposed to go Gavino! My good repute will not
get any better if messages keep showing with "Chop Chop, Baby" in the
signature!
Why did I keep harassing people with that line? Why? Why? If only I'd known
that it would come back to haunt me...
Mary Demoss, OSA Int Volunteer: "Chop Chop, Baby."
I am being defamed and forged here!
>>Garry Scarff lied when he > said that he spoke with the owner of JT Stockroom.
He did, in fact, speak to Adrian whom he knows well.
> We know that. He even invented a clerk, Adrien, who never worked there.
You're full of shit as always. Adrian is not a clerk but the owner of
JT's...http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/barbara_schwarz-geocities.htm
Patty Pieniadz
"Dave Touretzky" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:IRTSZYMG38783.9796296296@anonymous.poster...
> Hello Barbara,
>
> On October 8, 2005, I was in my room at the Hidden Valley Resort and for
> some odd reason I began thinking about you.
>
> You have most likely observed that I never responded to any of your
> postings.
>
>
> I owe you an apology because I orchestrated several attacks against you
> behind the scenes.
>
> Honestly I did not send you the dildo invoice directly but I arranged this
> through someone else. I was hoping it would backfire on Scientology but I
> was wrong – hard to admit. Yes, I did buy those dildos. I am too
> embarrassed to say what I am using them for. Garry Scarff lied when he
> said that he spoke with the owner of JT Stockroom. I’ll post a photo
> showing the box that contained the dildos along with the original label.
>
> There are many strange things that happen on ars, and the ongoing
> forgeries is one of them. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to
> do with them. All those forgeries are illegal. I just learned from a
> source that the powers that be are investigating who is doing it. They
> have this pegged with the cooperation of the concerned ISPs. The same
> source informed me that such forgeries do not fall under the defense of
> “free speech” or “parody”. They are plain and simple forgeries and
> whoever is doing this is about to get busted. I don’t want any part in
> this because people are getting hurt and harassed because of the
> forgeries. False statements are being attributed to them under their name.
>
Shame on you Maureen for continuing to belong to an organization that would
post a vile piece of crap like this.
You should be embarrassed. What would your mother or brother or nephew
think of this?
Why don't you go ask them? Ask them if they think it is appropriate
behavior for a Church.
Ask them if they think religions have a right to harass people that speak
out against them.
Does your mother think the Catholic Church should do this to everyone that
speaks out against her Church?
Maureen, when did you compromise your reality and go into agreement with
this type of evil behavior?
The people you are attacking are just communicating. Granted they are
communicating things that the Church doesn't want communicated but so what?
Why is it the Catholics, the Baptists, the Methodists and the Unitarians
don't go
out and expose and destroy their critics.
Have you noticed how Scn and Muslim extremists seem to be the most
intolerant of free speech and criticism of their religion? Scn is sort of
a higher "harmonic" of Islam. ;-) Both try to silence or destroy their
critics,
Islam is just more "overt" about it.
You need to relook at this Maureen. You are now viewing the world with very
firmly placed blinders on. It's sort of like having tunnel vision. You
only see things the way LRH said you should see them. You bought every word
he said and set aside your own personal views to view the world as LRH sees
it.
Get out of LRH's valence and grab some of your own beingness before you
disappear completely.
Patty
PS Oh Maureen, in regard to that "belittling" thing you mentioned. Take
a look at this.
http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/pieniadzp01.html
I'm your friend and you allowed this! So don't try to play the card that I
belittled you because it appears you have a "similar overt of your own".
Tell me Maureen, what's next? Harassing phone calls or visits to my mother
or to "Ma". I mean after all, noisy invest is standard tech.
Ma will be 95 next month. See if you can keep the creeps that are running
the Church from harassing her or harassing my mom who will be 70 in June.
Please be sure to keep them away from my family Maureen, I know you wouldn't
like anything like this happening to your mother or family. And no matter
how much you go after me, I will never retaliate and go after your family.
Never.
Families are off limits. Right? You're not going to allow them to do
anything mean to your godson are you?
So please keep those evil purpy creeps you work with away from my family.
You got problems with me, you take it up with me. But in writing and make
an appointment. No uninvited visits. That kind of behavior is rude out
here in the real world.
P
Zinj
says...
<snip>
> Families are off limits. Right? You're not going to allow them to do
> anything mean to your godson are you?
>
> So please keep those evil purpy creeps you work with away from my family.
> You got problems with me, you take it up with me. But in writing and make
> an appointment. No uninvited visits. That kind of behavior is rude out
> here in the real world.
>
> P
I *hope* this isn't just wishful thinking, but, for the 'Church' of
Scientology, families are certainly *not* off-limits. As they've proven
over and over and deplorably over.
Worse, merely 'asking nicely' typically sends them into a giggling and
drooling frenzy, under the misconception that now they've 'found your
button'. Hopefully Maureen is enough of what you remember her to be
that she might suggest that such slime might not be a good idea, but,
how much influence does she actually have? It's not as if such
viciousness has ever borne fruit beyond public horror, but, it still
seems to be a favorite tactic.
After all, Maureen was around for the Minton ops too wasn't she?
Zinj
--
Scientology: The Science of Believing Anything You Like
This is the 'Tech' This is the Session.
Patty Pieniadz
"Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e7a55cb4...@news.day.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <47bf36F...@individual.net>, ppienia...@gmail.com
> says...
>
> <snip>
>
>> Families are off limits. Right? You're not going to allow them to do
>> anything mean to your godson are you?
>>
>> So please keep those evil purpy creeps you work with away from my family.
>> You got problems with me, you take it up with me. But in writing and
>> make
>> an appointment. No uninvited visits. That kind of behavior is rude out
>> here in the real world.
>>
>> P
>
> I *hope* this isn't just wishful thinking, but, for the 'Church' of
> Scientology, families are certainly *not* off-limits. As they've proven
> over and over and deplorably over.
Yes. I know what you mean.
>
> Worse, merely 'asking nicely' typically sends them into a giggling and
> drooling frenzy, under the misconception that now they've 'found your
> button'.
I don't know anyone that doesn't have a "button" on their family. Who
in their right mind wouldn't care what happened to their family?
I know how they think and I know what they snicker at. I was present at
many snickering sessions up in OSA. Gavino may be snickering but I doubt
Maureen is.
Hopefully Maureen is enough of what you remember her to be
> that she might suggest that such slime might not be a good idea, but,
> how much influence does she actually have? It's not as if such
> viciousness has ever borne fruit beyond public horror, but, it still
> seems to be a favorite tactic.
Each DSA in an org is responsible for "their SP's".
If you are an SP that lives in Chicago, the DSA Chicago gets to count you on
her Stats! You will stay on her stats until you are "handled" and then she
can take you off. For this stat, the lower the number, the better the stat.
Arnie would be counted on the Washington, DC stats, Warrior would be
counted on the DSA Austin stats.
If there is no DSA in your nearest org. Then you are the responsibility of
the Continental Org such as FOLO EUS or FOLO WUS.
I am located in Connecticut. I would normally be assigned to the New Haven
Org as someone that "needs handling". But I've never talked to an OSA
person in New Haven, Maureen has been the one that has "taken responsibility
for this".
All orders go to her. However, they might remove her from handling me and
give it to someone else because knowing Maureen, she will actually try to do
the right thing and not harass my family. It will probably get her in
trouble but
I doubt she will agree to hurt my family. At least I am hopeful of that.
>
> After all, Maureen was around for the Minton ops too wasn't she?
She was mainly doing PR stuff for OSA. She's now posted in Invest---
different hats, she was never privy to the real evil stuff until she joined
Invest.
Patty
barbz
By being listed on RFW, you are embiggened. As are all of us. It's a
nasty side effect the cult failed to take into account. That's why Durks
added himself to the parody of RFW he made...he's self-embiggening.
Barbara Schwarz
barbz schrieb:
> Patty Pieniadz wrote:
>
> > "Dave Touretzky" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
> > news:IRTSZYMG38783.9796296296@anonymous.poster...
> >
> >>Hello Barbara,
> >>
> >
> By
You would sell your bike to get off that site, Barbzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
You anti-religious extremist live in your little world of hatred but
most people are different. They don't hate religions like you fanatical
bigots do.
In other words, the RFW is well received by anybody who reads it. It's
not flattering at all to be on that site, Barbzzzzzz, and most people
are immediately appalled seeing your hate filled face and showing the
finger.
You are fooling yourself that being on that site helps you to fame or
makes you bigger.
It shows readers what kind of person you really are.
--
Barbara Schwarz
Looking for the original Mark (Marty) Rathbun. (No impostor, please!)
--
L. Ron Hubbard: "THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF
IS DOING. THE CRIMINAL MIND RELENTLESSLY SEEKS TO DESTROY ANYONE IT
IMAGINES MIGHT EXPOSE IT. THE CRIMINAL ONLY SEES OTHERS AS HE HIMSELF
IS."
L. Ron Hubbard: "HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS, TOO."
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's activities.)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
Read the pages on terrorist-friendly Andreas Heldal-Lund (arrested for
harassment):
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund04.html
wbarwell
Barbara Schwarz, née Bretschneider, is a German
expatriate now living in Salt Lake City, Utah. She
was the president of the German branch of the
Church of Scientology from August 3, 1983 until
July 10, 1984. [1] Schwarz is no longer active in
the Church of Scientology (she states that she was
"kicked out" in 1984 [2]), but she still considers
herself a Scientologist, if no longer officially a
member of the Church, and despite having filed
frivolous lawsuits against the church.
Schwarz is principally known as the current holder
of the record for most requests filed by a single
individual under the Freedom of Information Act.
According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Schwarz has
submitted thousands of FOIA requests to the United
States Government and its various federal
agencies. There are extensive records at each
agency documenting these requests, which list
thousands of hours and thousands of dollars spent
processing these requests. The U.S. Department of
Defense has finally made a ruling barring Schwarz
from filing any further FOIA requests until she
pays for her prior requests. (Schwarz often claims
indigency to get fee waivers.)
Many of these FOIA requests attempt to
substantiate her claims that she is the
granddaughter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower
and the daughter of Church of Scientology founder
L. Ron Hubbard, that she lived in a secret
submarine base under the Great Salt Lake (until
age four), that she was kidnapped as a child by
Nazis and taken to Germany, and that her alleged
husband Mark "Marty" Rathbun, who she alleges is
the secret heir to the Rothschild fortune, was
wrongfully arrested in Madrid, Spain in 1988 and
taken to the United States, where she believes he
is secretly being held. (Mark Rathbun was a high
official with the Church of Scientology's
Religious Technology Center for many years until
October, 2005. A church official has stated that
Mr. Rathbun has no knowledge of Schwarz and cannot
explain her behaviour.)
--
So you want to fight the Master!
First you must fight my brother Chang!
Cheerful Charlie
wbarwell
***********
Most interesting. As a long time critic in ARS I guess that the
Houston mission (not even an org) has no DSA.
What is the official chain of command for DSAs? Where are
they in the food chain from OSA? I take it the DSA does
the handling or if not handled does the initial grunt work
to hand on for legal handling if a PI is hired. Moxon
apparently has handled a lot of the PI hirings.
I take it in case of legal problems with say copyrights,
RTC's lawyers get involved instead. Is there coordination
with OSA, DSA, RTC on an official on going status?
Caswell
Schwarz says...
>
>
>barbz schrieb:
>
>> Patty Pieniadz wrote:
>>
>> > "Dave Touretzky" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
>> > news:IRTSZYMG38783.9796296296@anonymous.poster...
>> >
>> >>Hello Barbara,
>> >>
>> >
>> By
>
>You would sell your bike to get off that site, Barbzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
>You anti-religious extremist live in your little world of hatred but
>most people are different. They don't hate religions like you fanatical
>bigots do.
>
>In other words, the RFW is well received by anybody who reads it. It's
>not flattering at all to be on that site, Barbzzzzzz, and most people
>are immediately appalled seeing your hate filled face and showing the
>finger.
>
>You are fooling yourself that being on that site helps you to fame or
>makes you bigger.
>It shows readers what kind of person you really are.
I think RFW makes barbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really well known...to the FBI. ;-)
Cas
"Jail for Ulf! Jail for Ulf!" Has a nice ring to it, hasn't it? For those in a
hurry, the short form for this project is "JULF".
- Barbara Schwarz
Caswell
Schwarz says...
>
>
>barbz schrieb:
>
>> Patty Pieniadz wrote:
>>
>> > message
>> > news:IRTSZYMG38783.9796296296@anonymous.poster...
>> >
>> >>Hello Barbara,
>> >>
>> >
>> By
>
>free-speech advocate live in your big world of love but psychotics like me
>are different. We hate ourselves.
>
>In other words, the RFW is as psychotic as we are. It's not flattering at
>all to be connected with that site, Barbzzzzzz, and most people are
>immediately appalled seeing our hate filled pages and showing our true
>'religious' nature.
>
>I am fooling myself that being on that site does not help you to fame or
>makes you bigger. It shows readers what kind of loonatic person I really am.
Don't worry Schwarz. You have an entire network of psychotics here at OSA
to keep you company. :)
Cas, OSA Int
"Jail for David Miscavige! Jail for David Miscavige!" Has a nice ring to
it, hasn't it? For those in a hurry, the short form for this project is
"JDM". Barbara Schwarz
>Looking for the original Mark (Marty) Rathbun delusion. (No impostor, please!)
>--
>L. Ron Hubbard: "THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF
>IS DOING. THE CRIMINAL MIND RELENTLESSLY SEEKS TO DESTROY ANYONE IT
>IMAGINES MIGHT EXPOSE IT. THE CRIMINAL ONLY SEES OTHERS AS HE HIMSELF
>IS."
>L. Ron Hubbard: "WHY I AM A CRIMINAL, TOO."
>
>http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
>(I am concerned about Lynn Farny's activities.)
>
>http://www.religiousfreedomwatchwatch.org
>
>Read the pages on terrorist-friendly Lynn Farny (soon to be arrested for
>harassment):
>http://www.religiousfreedomwatchwatch.org
Eru Ilúvatar
>You anti-religious extremist live in your little world of hatred but
>most people are different. They don't hate religions like you fanatical
>bigots do.
What does religion have to do with $cientology, Babs?
Dead-beat-pimp-stalker buster
Eru Ilúvatar wrote:
> Barbara Schwarz <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You anti-religious extremist live in your little world of hatred but
> >most people are different. They don't hate religions like you fanatical
> >bigots do.
>
> What does
Pete, Eru Ilúvatar, you sick mentally ill phedophile pig! Stop
defaming and stalking women. They don't want you ancient convicted
criminal and jail bird. They killfile you. All of alt.astrology knows
that it is you. Friends of mine want to sue you and supoena your
computer and ISP records!
Milton Stapleton was originally not Milton but Pete and Peat and Petie
and hell knows what else. He was in jail and then changed his name to
Milton Stapleton.
His is what somebody wrote who watched him:
Petie, you lie, your astrology doesn't work --- it DIDN'T save you from
going to jail. Who is going to believe in your astrology---trying to
pimp the sexy hubs, rims and spokes? You FAILED! Your astrology
doesn't WORK!
Pete Stapleton about marijuana:
After all, pot is said to enhance one's ear for music, increase one's
sensuality and push the natural inhibitions into the back ground for
the moment.
Pete Stapleton about him being mentally ill.
I am also a diagnosed Manic Depressive. I was institutionalized for
a year in an attempt to resolve the problem.
I do stay clear of any activity that requires rigid scheduling over a
long period - of course this is the way the manic allowed me to live
(he
makes the money) - kind of free of restraints - and I'm still getting
away with it.
Peat Stapleton about rape and phedophelia:
So what if I DID force a 13 year old boy to have sex with me? It was
before megans law so there's nothing you can do about it!
Peat Stapleton in his "profession" as astrologist:
What Jo dream will not admit is that is or was in fact a prostitue.
And apparently was badly hurt by her pimp - since calling someone a
pimp seems to be her method of attack under all circumstance. And
what is worse - she apparently worked the farm workers truck in
California @ $5.00 per blow job. At least this is what was posted
about her on alt.astrology some time ago and she never denied it.
wbarwell
>
> wbarwell wrote:
earlier. That's back around eighty-some trillion, you will find aircraft
being used as part of implants. Because the aircraft is the translating
symbol of "You need a machine to get you off a planet or into the air."
You can't just levitate, see?
Anyway, here you might find, then, that for some years or for
thousands of years or for even some much greater, higher figure of
years, that a planet had been engulfed with radioactive clouds and
nobody had done anything at all on that planet. It went along like that
for a long time. And then all of a sudden one day there was an orange
burst and it said, "Hark! Hark! Look out! Watch out! Come here!
Go back!" you know? "Come here! Can't come here!" It's always
the double, you know? "Come here, can't come here." Where we get,
I guess, the idea of double talk. Then they'd hang around.
Now, don't think that your pc as a thetan, was picked up the first
time. Oh, they'd try and they'd tug at him, and they'd pick him up and
try to pull him into the sky. It was very clever. They had some means
of contracting a beam. Traction beam. These guys were pretty smart
electronically, way advanced. And he'd resist it. But in a year or two,
why, he'd run into another one of them, and again he'd resist it. And a
while later he'd run into another one of them, and again he'd resist it.
And then he ... finally, he hasn't got his attention on it and he's
already been weakened down and he's collapsed a bit himself already, and
he's beginning to worry. And the beam goes tsccup! and pulls him up into
see! This makes it so incredible nobody believes it, you see, and that
was one of their greatest protections. Why would anybody go to this much
trouble?
So the clouds would talk. And here you'd have a gray cloud going by
and it'd be saying, "Hark! Hark! Hark!" you see? "Watch out! Look out!
Who's there? Who's that?" You know? Sounds like a fun house.
Or somebody would find his front yard all full of black spots that
looked like rabbits and he'd come within them and they'd suddenly
explode. And all the vegetation would start dying off around there,
and he'd say, "Ouugh, something's going wrong here." Or they'd plant
something up like this: You'd see a big tangle of barbed wire on the
edge of the sea coast and a wrecked aircraft, and a pilot in a doll
body pinned on a theta pole. And he'd say, "The poor fellow! I wonder
what happened to him?" you know, and he'd go over and here's this
aircraft and so on. "He must have crashed," and investigated this
thing - what's wrong here, see? Of course, it's just a plant. You walk
into it and the ground all of a sudden starts going crack-bap-grap! and
saying various things. Well, the thetan didn't know what the devil
was happening.
For some reason or other the symbol of aircraft goes through all of
this, weaves its way through this. Aircraft. They looked like Pan
American planes - rather stub-winged. Well, actually that begins much
earlier. That's back around eighty-some trillion, you will find aircraft
or the rippety-rip-bop to the tenth power."
Everybody sat around being very, very amazed, see? The truth of
the matter is somebody was letting them loose. And because of that
scientific theory, nobody found out about it for a long time, that it
was being done. Because it was incredible that anybody would do it.
The natural law of it was not known, that you could do it.
And so planetary systems would become engulfed in radioactive
masses, gray and black. And the earmarks of such a planetary action
was gray and black - gray towering masses of clouds. These
Magellanic clouds would not otherwise have come anywhere near
a planetary system.
Well, there's such a thing as the Dark Horse Nebula in Orion today.
You can maybe see some pictures of that in astronomy books.
Well, that is one huge radioactive black mass, towering up there.
It's, oh, light-years across, you see? It's heavy, it's thick. Well, any
piece of that - is such a mass existing at the hub - any chunk of the
Dark Horsehead Nebula set loose in the galaxy would spin on out
and engulf systems.
Now, when a system had been engulfed - and they had it on their
timetable - they would send ships in. And they had little orange-colored
bombs that would talk, and speech and so forth was frozen into
electronic capsules. It was all very clever. The utter insanity, you
see! This makes it so incredible nobody believes it, you see, and that
clouds scattered around there than other places. And a universe has
vectors of force. They go out like a - not really like an Archimedes
spiral, but I don't know quite what the geometric figure is. It's the
line that goes from a center out to the rim in a curve and hits the rim
at an oblique. You've seen some old wheels - spring wheels and so forth
are made this way sometimes.
Anyway, there are lines of force in a galaxy. And these
cookies had actually found how to detach matter along a line of force.
And so they'd set a Magellanic cloud loose along one of these lines of
force and it would swing out of balance and move on out and engulf a
system. And then swinging out further would engulf another system. And
would spend an awful long time hanging around the system as it went by,
you see? And frankly, these clouds would get to systems which they
didn't come near for maybe thousands and thousands of years. They didn't
direct these clouds intimately, they just set them loose. And they would
drift out through space. And these wise professors (I've never trusted a
professor since) would sit around stroking their diplomas saying, "Well,
this is the natural consequences of the disintegration of a galaxy. A
certain period in the life of a galaxy, the Magellanic radioactive
masses at the interior of the hub begin to disperse themselves out
toward the rim. And this is known as the Keplin-Spreplin law and the
Booplum-Booplin law, and the calculations are M to the gup-gup squared
or the rippety-rip-bop to the tenth power."
weakening people down and doing all this sort of thing and all this
nonsense and worked on it very hard. What industry! Think of what would
have happened if that industry had been devoted to a worthy cause. And
this you possibly have not run into, but you will eventually before
these implants.
Planets were surrounded suddenly by radioactive cloud masses. And
very often a long time before the planet came under attack from these
implant people, waves of radioactive clouds, Magellanic clouds, black
and gray, would sweep over and engulf the planet, and it would be living
in an atmosphere of radioactivity, which was highly antipathetic to the
living beings, bodies, plants, anything else that was on this planet.
Now, this period might be as long - well, it could be billions,
certainly, quite ordinarily a million years before the first capture of
your pc or something like that, and certainly was a hundred or two. All
of a sudden these otherwise clear skies that would ordinarily have
merely rain clouds in them, would become radioactive. And this was
explained by the wise savants of the day; they sat there stroking their
long, useless diplomas. They explained it as a disintegration of the
universe, natural phenomena and so on. How did they explain it this way?
Well, the hub of a galaxy has in it a great deal of radioactive
material. It's not that it doesn't have stars and planets in it that are
perfectly free from this, but there just happen to be more Magellanic
clouds scattered around there than other places. And a universe has
because you've been betrayed by theta traps. All sorts of things like
this occur.
All right. Now, that's ... so much of that. But what's this got to do
with this galaxy and that sort of thing? Well, it has a lot to do with
this galaxy. I don't think you could go into an ant house, one of these
anthills, with human fingers and rebuild these various places where they
lay their eggs and store them, and I don't even think you could pick up
very many ants with human fingers without crushing some. Well, what's
the idea, see? What are you trying to do? What are you doing fooling
around with an anthill? That's one of the questions.
Now, these questions actually have to be answered from a technical
viewpoint. But they have a great deal to do with the organizations of
Scientology. A very great deal to do with that. Oaah! What's this?
Where are we going? Because the second we look at the character, the
actual true character of an Operating Thetan, we'll recognize what we
are dealing with here; we see very clearly that all this could be very -
uah! - upsetting in various directions. I think we have some
responsibility in at least heading it off in the right direction and
organizing it to some degree. And this is the only point of upset which
I feel about this; is early on, conceiving that free thetans were very
dangerous and should be shot down in their tracks, people such as this
group in Helatrobus started laying in implants and picking people up and
weakening people down and doing all this sort of thing and all this
(Mail) End of article 742515 (of 743097) -- what next? [npq]
Bode Brausnan
<ppienia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why don't you go ask them? Ask them if they think it is appropriate
> behavior for a Church {sic}.
Do you really believe Scientology is a church?
Barbara Schwarz
Bode Brausnan schrieb:
Scientology, as written by L. Ron Hubbard is a RELIGION. But
infiltrators of course try to make it into a psychological institution,
isn't that so, Patty Pienuts?
Barbara Schwarz
Looking for the original Mark (Marty) Rathbun. (No impostor, please!)
--
L. Ron Hubbard: "THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF
IS DOING. THE CRIMINAL MIND RELENTLESSLY SEEKS TO DESTROY ANYONE IT
IMAGINES MIGHT EXPOSE IT. THE CRIMINAL ONLY SEES OTHERS AS HE HIMSELF
IS."
L. Ron Hubbard: "HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS, TOO."
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/