Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America' - Why didn't they tell us?
Celcius
Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America'
By John Lichfield in Paris
06 March 2002
American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
attacks, French publications reported yesterday.
More than 100 Israeli agents, posing as students, were arrested in the
first half of last year after trying to penetrate American law
enforcement agencies, according to Le Monde and a French internet
newsletter, Intelligence Online.
The stories were dismissed as "bogus" by the FBI but Le Monde
published extracts from a report by the US Drug Enforcement
Administration (DEA), which said the Israeli students – including many
"attractive women, aged around 25" – were involved in "organised
spying activities". This included attempts to penetrate the DEA and
the FBI.
A dozen students/agents are still under arrest in the US, Le Monde
said. Most of the others – including the son of an Israeli general and
the former body-guard at Israeli army headquarters – have been
expelled.
The newspaper said this was the most serious incident of Israeli
espionage in America since the jailing for life in 1986 of Jonathan
Pollard, an American naval officer convicted of selling defence
secrets to Israel.
Nothing in the extracts from the DEA report published by Le Monde
suggests a link between the Israeli "agents" and al-Qa'ida. But the
newspaper says that the fact that many of the Israelis were based near
Ford Lauderdale – close to places where al-Qa'ida agents involved in
the 11 September suicide hijackings were also based – has aroused the
suspicions of the authorities.
The newspaper says that some American officials believe the Israeli
students were trailing al-Qa'ida operatives, without informing their
American counterparts.
Le Monde says, without offering any further evidence, that this
suggests Israel knew more in advance about the kamikaze attacks than
it told Washington.
A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington dismissed the
reports. "No one in the US is taking this story seriously," he said.
"I categorically deny the claims and my embassy has received no
complaints from the US. I am not aware of a single Israeli who has
been charged with espionage."
Jacob T.
> American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
> been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
> attacks, French publications reported yesterday.
Boy, those Israelis are on the job.
I wish that more of our FBI were as dedicated, astute, and efficient as
those guys.
I am PROUD to have the Israelis on our side in the War on Islamic
Terrorism!!
kaa...@myrealbox.com
> Boy, those Israelis are on the job.
> I wish that more of our FBI were as dedicated, astute, and efficient as
> those guys.
<wiping tears from eyes>
This calls to mind the renowned rhetorical question :
"With friends like that, who needs enemies?"
was-salaam,
kaatib
Jacob T.
<kaa...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:3c867baa$0$35565$272e...@news.execpc.com...
LOL ... If I were a Muslim that would be true. But the fact is that many in
the Mossad were light years ahead of the FBI on the WTC issue. Let's face
it ... the FBI was caught with their pants down.
The Mossad knows how evil Muslims are, and NOW the FBI knows.
The FBI have been properly chastened.
kaa...@myrealbox.com
Celcius wrote:
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=271607
>
> Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America'
> By John Lichfield in Paris
> 06 March 2002
>
> American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
> been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
> attacks, French publications reported yesterday.
>
> More than 100 Israeli agents, posing as students, were arrested in the
> first half of last year after trying to penetrate American law
> enforcement agencies, according to Le Monde and a French internet
> newsletter, Intelligence Online.
>
> The stories were dismissed as "bogus" by the FBI but Le Monde
> published extracts from a report by the US Drug Enforcement
> Administration (DEA), which said the Israeli students – including many
> "attractive women, aged around 25" – were involved in "organised
> spying activities". This included attempts to penetrate the DEA and
> the FBI.
>
> A dozen students/agents are still under arrest in the US, Le Monde
> said. Most of the others – including the son of an Israeli general and
> the former body-guard at Israeli army headquarters – have been
> expelled.
Here's the story concerning their deporation :
> The newspaper says that some American officials believe the Israeli
> students were trailing al-Qa'ida operatives, without informing their
> American counterparts.
> Le Monde says, without offering any further evidence, that this
> suggests Israel knew more in advance about the kamikaze attacks than
> it told Washington.
Le Monde was preceded by FOX NEWS, which broadcast a story detailing
facts corroborated by _Insight_ magazine :
http://cryptome.org/fox-il-spy.htm
> A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington dismissed the
> reports. "No one in the US is taking this story seriously," he said.
> "I categorically deny the claims and my embassy has received no
> complaints from the US. I am not aware of a single Israeli who has
> been charged with espionage."
For those unfamiliar with the actual breadth of MOSSAD operations, I
highly recommend Victor Ostrovsky's _By Way of Deception_. Ostrovsky is
ex-MOSSAD himself and provides some stunning factual accounts of Israeli
intelligence operations. The sequel, _The Other Side of Deception_,
concerns trials and tribulations which he confronted following the
publication of _By Way of Deception_.
A bounty on Ostrovsky's life was taken out on *live* national television
in Canada by Yossef Lapid, a former Israeli minister.
was-salaam,
kaatib
ulysses
>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=271607
>
>Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America'
>By John Lichfield in Paris
>06 March 2002
>
>American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
>been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
>attacks, French publications reported yesterday.
I think he means notoriously anti-Israel French publications ...
>
>More than 100 Israeli agents, posing as students, were arrested in the
>first half of last year after trying to penetrate American law
>enforcement agencies, according to Le Monde and a French internet
>newsletter, Intelligence Online.
Okay, this makes about as much sense as I would expect from the London
Independent. The opening paragraph indicates that the alleged Israeli
spies were tailing al Qaeda. The second paragraph asserts that these
same spies were trying to "penetrate" (Oh, my darling ...) U.S. law
enforcement. So which is it?
ulysses
kaa...@myrealbox.com
> <kaa...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:3c867baa$0$35565$272e...@news.execpc.com...
> > "Jacob T." wrote
> >
> > > Boy, those Israelis are on the job.
> > > I wish that more of our FBI were as dedicated, astute, and efficient as
> > > those guys.
> >
> > LOL! ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > <wiping tears from eyes>
> >
> > This calls to mind the renowned rhetorical question :
> >
> > "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"
>
> LOL ... If I were a Muslim that would be true.
?
This comment makes no sense in the context wherein it appears. We're
talking about the allegedly "friendly" relationship between U.S. and
Israeli intelligence.
> But the fact is that many in
> the Mossad were light years ahead of the FBI on the WTC issue. Let's face
> it ... the FBI was caught with their pants down.
Once again, your daftness defies description.
Your commentary implies admission to the MOSSAD having knowledge of 9/11
machinations prior to 9/11 (e.g. they're "light years ahead on the WTC
issue"). You then go on to say that American intelligence didn't have
this knowledge (e.g. "the FBI was caught with their pants down.")
If your implications are true, this means that Israeli intelligence
*failed* to inform American intelligence of what they knew would happen
on 9/11 when it was still possible to do so.
Apparently, you don't mind "friends" who compromise the lives of
innocent American civilians for God-knows-what motive.
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
> The opening paragraph indicates that the alleged Israeli
> spies were tailing al Qaeda. The second paragraph asserts that these
> same spies were trying to "penetrate" (Oh, my darling ...) U.S. law
> enforcement. So which is it?
"American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
attacks, ..."
... and ...
"More than 100 Israeli agents, posing as students, were arrested in the
first half of last year after trying to penetrate American law
enforcement agencies, according to Le Monde and a French internet
newsletter, Intelligence Online ..."
By what logic does one necessarily preclude the other?
> ulysses
was-salaam,
kaatib
Jacob T.
> > > LOL! ROTFLMAO!
> > >
> > > <wiping tears from eyes>
> > >
> > > This calls to mind the renowned rhetorical question :
> > >
> > > "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"
> >
> > LOL ... If I were a Muslim that would be true.
>
> ?
>
> This comment makes no sense in the context wherein it appears. We're
> talking about the allegedly "friendly" relationship between U.S. and
> Israeli intelligence.
I was responding to comparison of Israelis to our "enemies", as in "who
needs enemies".
> > But the fact is that many in
> > the Mossad were light years ahead of the FBI on the WTC issue. Let's
face
> > it ... the FBI was caught with their pants down.
>
> Once again, your daftness defies description.
Most rational people believe that the FBI dropped the ball on the events
leading up to WTC. They failed to follow up leads, etc. and probably could
have prevented the mass murder committed by Muslims on 911.
Please explain how this is "daft"?
> Your commentary implies admission to the MOSSAD having knowledge of 9/11
> machinations prior to 9/11 (e.g. they're "light years ahead on the WTC
> issue").
Yes, had Mossad been in possession of much of the information that the FBI
had, they would have acted on it (eg. executed a few Muslim suicide
bastards).
The FBI, being inexperienced in the evil of Islam, did not realize how
important the leads were, until AFTER 911.
> You then go on to say that American intelligence didn't have
> this knowledge (e.g. "the FBI was caught with their pants down.")
You didn't see them prevent it, did you?
> If your implications are true, this means that Israeli intelligence
> *failed* to inform American intelligence of what they knew would happen
> on 9/11 when it was still possible to do so.
No, I said that had Mossad been in possession of much of the information
that the FBI had, they would have acted on it (eg. executed a few Muslim
suicide bastards).
The FBI, being inexperienced in the evil of Islam, did not realize how
important the leads were, until AFTER 911.
> Apparently, you don't mind "friends" who compromise the lives of
> innocent American civilians for God-knows-what motive.
Mossad didn't compromise anything, because they didn't have the leads that
the FBI had in its possession.
It was the FBI who dropped the ball.
> was-salaam,
Salami and baloney!
The Albatross
"Jacob T." <Telli...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Keep up the good work, Jacob. I see the post revealing who forged that post
on you has been cancelled.
Thadeus AKA msoja is such a dumb name. Do searches
x
kaa...@myrealbox.com
> ... I said that had Mossad been in possession of much of the information
> that the FBI had, they would have acted on it
No, this is NOT what you said.
Take a closer look again at your own words :
"But the fact is that many in the Mossad were light years ahead of the
FBI on the WTC issue."
Now if the MOSSAD weren't "in possession of much of the information that
the FBI had" -- as you suggest above -- how is it that since, as you
yourself state, "they (the MOSSAD) didn't have the leads that the FBI
had in its possession," they were "light years ahead of the FBI on the
WTC issue?"
Kindly explain this conundrum for us.
> The FBI, being inexperienced in the evil of Islam, did not realize how
> important the leads were, until AFTER 911.
ROFTL!
Prior to 9/11, Osama bin Laden and his network operatives were on the
"most wanted" lists of American intelligence agencies. Your assertion
is the among the most asinine I have seen, even from you.
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
> On 6 Mar 2002 10:38:35 -0800, celc...@hotmail.com (Celcius) wrote:
>
> >http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=271607
> >
> >Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America'
> >By John Lichfield in Paris
> >06 March 2002
> >
> >American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
> >been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
> >attacks, French publications reported yesterday.
>
> I think he means notoriously anti-Israel French publications ...
How about the Associated Press? Is it also "notoriously anti-Israel"?
And I suppose you'd consider the DEA yet another virulent anti-semitic
institution as well?
U.S. Deports Israelies Amid Warnings of Espionage Activities
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAQS1FAGYC.html
"The DEA report was first obtained by a French Web site that specializes
in intelligence news, Intelligenceonline.com, and confirmed Tuesday as
authentic by DEA spokeswoman Rogene Waite in Washington. The Web site
said 120 Israelis had been arrested."
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=271607
>
> Israelis 'spied on al-Qa'ida in America'
> By John Lichfield in Paris
> 06 March 2002
The Le Monde article relied upon data from the following site :
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/
The following link provides specific names and a "schematic" map :
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/images/newversion/reseau/HTML/isr-net_A.htm
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
A translation of the Le Monde article which the Independent cited
follows below.
Worthy of note are the following passages :
...
M. Dasquié gives a report on a "61-page review article" from June 2001,
given to the American justice department by a "task force" made up of
agents of the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) and some INS
(Immigration and Naturalization Service) agents "who were associated with
the FBI and the office of investigation of the US Air Force." Questioned
by Le Monde, Will Glaspy, of the Public Affairs department of the DEA,
authenticated this report, and said the DEA "holds a copy."
This is not the first time that information relating to Israeli espionage
appeared in the United States since the Pollard affair. In June 1999, the
review Insight had described, at length, a "secret" investigation by
division 5 of the FBI regarding Israeli phone-tapping targeting the White
House, the State Department and the National Security Council.
...
As such, these allegations do NOT -- as some will almost inevitably
cry -- have their basis in mere "anti-semitic" speculation. They are
corroborated by the official reports of operatives working in such
U.S. government agencies as the DEA, INS and FBI.
One other note : the "assumption" (towards the end of this article)
concerning "Taliban opium production" requires further scrutiny.
As far as I can recall, U.N reports document that The Taliban
had *eliminated* opium production in Afghanistan last year. You're
welcome to investigate this and prove me wrong if you doubt it.
If you visit the following site (at which the article may be found),
you may reap the benefit of hyperlinks referencing data sources :
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/lemonde1.html
~~~~~~~~~~
An Enigma: Vast Israeli Spy Network
Dismantled in the US
By Sylvain Cypel
Le Monde
March 5, 2002
Translated by Malcolm Garris
It is undoubtedly the largest case of Israeli spying in the United
States – that has been made public – since 1986. In June 2001, an
investigative report detailed the activities of more than one-hundred
Israeli agents, some presenting themselves as fine arts students, others
tied to Israeli high-tech companies. All were challenged by the
authorities, were questioned, and a dozen of them are still imprisoned.
One of their tasks was to track the Al-Qaida terrorists on American
territory – without informing the federal authorities. Elements of this
investigation, taken up by American television Fox News, reinforce this
thesis: that Israel did not transmit to the United States all the
evidence in its possession on the preparation of the September 11 attacks.
The latest issue of the Online Intelligence Letter, a publication
specializing in questions of information, has revealed that a vast
Israeli spy network operating on American territory was dismantled.
It is the biggest affair involving the Mossad (the Israel’s external
security agency) in activity against the United States since Jonathan
Pollard, an employee of the US Navy, was condemned to life in prison,
in 1986, for spying for Israel’s benefit. Which was the real scale of
this network? The facts evoked by an American investigative report do not
indicate if the network obtained the information it was after, or if the
authorities dismantled it in its initial phase.
According to the chief editor of Online Intelligence, Guillaume Dasquié,
this "vast network of Israeli intelligence agents was neutralized by the
counter-espionage services of the Department of Justice." The Americans
"would have apprehended or expelled close to 120 Israeli nationals."
M. Dasquié gives a report on a "61-page review article" from June 2001,
given to the American justice department by a "task force" made up of
agents of the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) and some INS
(Immigration and Naturalization Service) agents "who were associated with
the FBI and the office of investigation of the US Air Force." Questioned
by Le Monde, Will Glaspy, of the Public Affairs department of the DEA,
authenticated this report, and said the DEA "holds a copy."
This is not the first time that information relating to Israeli espionage
appeared in the United States since the Pollard affair. In June 1999, the
review Insight had described, at length, a "secret" investigation by
division 5 of the FBI regarding Israeli phone-tapping targeting the White
House, the State Department and the National Security Council.
After the attacks of September 11, very little detailed information had
come out about the arrest of some sixty Israelis. Finally, from the 11th
to the 14th of December 2001, the Fox News television channel aired an
investigation in four parts into Israeli espionage in the United States,
in the broadcast "Carl Cameron Investigates." The Israeli embassy in
Washington immediately responded by stating that it did not contain
"anything true." American Jewish organizations such JINSA (Jewish
Institute for National Security Affairs), AIPAC (America-Israel Political
Action Committee) and others, denounced the report as a "machination."
Fox withdrew from its Internet site, one day and half after its posting,
all the material related to this investigation.
Le Monde requested three times with Fox News to provide a tape of the
broadcast. It was never done. On February 26, Fox told our correspondent
in New York that sending it posed "a problem," without being specific.
Le Monde, however took note of the whole script in this investigation.
Carl Cameron evokes "a vast secret investigation held there" relating to
"140 Israelis made to pass for students of the University of Jerusalem or
Betzalel Academy of Arts [which have] unceasingly sought to come into
contact with civil servants and, according to a document, targeted and
penetrated military bases, dozens of buildings of the DEA, FBI, and
others."
His investigation focused on two aspects. Firstly, could the Israelis
have had preliminary knowledge of the September 11 attacks and not
informed the Americans? His sources, explains Carl Cameron, tell him:
"The principal question is ‘how they could they have not known?’"
On the screen, his editor-in-chief tells him thus: "Certain reports
confirm that the Mossad sent representatives to the United States to warn
them, before September 11, of the imminence of a major terrorist attack.
That does not go in the direction of an absence of warning." Cameron’s
response: "The problem is not the absence of warning, but the absence of
useful details" compared to those which American services suspect Israel
of having held.
The second round of the investigation touched on Israeli companies
providing administrative services for American companies, which would
conceal information. It was aimed at the manufacturer of Amdocs software,
placed on Wall Street, which lists, for the 25 major telephone companies
of the United States, all the calls coming into and originating from
American territory, as well as the companies Nice and Comverse Infosys,
the latter providing the data-processing programs to American law
enforcement agencies authorized to eavesdrop on private phone
conversations. Comverse is suspected of having introduced into its
systems of the "catch gates" in order to "intercept, record and store"
these wire-taps. This hardware would render the "listener" himself
"listened to."
Question to Cameron: "Are there reasons to believe the Israeli government
is implicated?" Answer: "No, none, but a classified top-secret
investigation is underway." The broadcast had been shown beforehand to
the highest persons in charge of the CIA, the FBI, the NSA (the agency in
charge of phone-taps), the DEA and the American Justice Department, none
of which objected to its airing.
The report submitted to the American Justice Department, to which Le Monde
had access, shows that many of the "fine-arts students" suspected of
illicit activity have a military past in Israeli information or advanced
technology units. Some entered and left the United States on several
occasions, remaining each time for short periods. Several are related to
the hi-tech Israeli companies of Amdocs, Nice and Retalix.
Challenged, a "coed" saw her guarantee of $10,000 paid by an Israeli
working at Amdocs. Questioned, two others admitted being employed by
Retalix.
Le Monde obtained other information not contained in this report. Six of
the intercepted "students" had a cellular telephone bought by an Israeli
ex-vice-consul in the United States. Two others, at an unspecified time,
arrived in Miami by direct flight from Hamburg, and went to the residence
of an FBI agent, to try to sell him artwork, left again for the Chicago
airport to go to the residence of an agent of the justice department, then
again took a plane directly for Toronto – all in one day.
More than a third of these "students," who, according to the report,
moved in at least 42 American cities, stated they resided in Florida.
Five at least were intercepted in Hollywood, and two in Fort Lauderdale.
Hollywood is a town of 25,000 inhabitants to the north of Miami, close to
Fort Lauderdale. At least 10 of the 19 terrorists of 9/11 were residing in
Florida.
Four of the five members of the group that diverted American Airlines
flight number 11 – Mohammed Atta, Abdulaziz Al-Omari, Walid and Waïl
Al-Shehri, as well as one of the five terrorists of United flight 175,
Marwan Al-Shehhi – resided all at various times in... Hollywood, Florida.
As for Ahmed Fayez, Ahmed and Hamza Al-Ghamdi and Mohand Al-Shehri, who
took over United flight 75, like Saïd Al-Ghamdi, Ahmed Al-Haznawi and
Ahmed Al-Nami, of United flight 93 which crashed September 11 in
Pennsylvania, and Nawaq Al-Hamzi, of AA flight 77 (crashed into the
Pentagon), they all at one time resided at Delray Beach, in the north of
Fort Lauderdale.
This convergence is, inter alia, the origin of the American conviction
that one of the tasks of the Israeli "students" would have been to track
the Al-Qaida terrorists on their territory, without informing the federal
authorities of the existence of the plot.
Two enigmas remain. Why was the Israeli network a priority of drug
enforcement agents? An assumption: the DEA is the main American agency
inquiring into the money laundering. A network such as Al-Qaida used
"dirty" [funding], and the Taliban’s Afghanistan was the primary exporter
of opium in the world. Why this astonishing "cover" of false students
canvassers for poor artwork? The Israeli network seemed to hold lists of
names. Its members knew at which office or which private residence to go.
The objective was apparently to make contact, even for a short time.
According to an Israeli specialist in espionage, "this story is a
ridiculous joke, and is not serious." Contacted, the services of the
Israeli Prime Minister still had not, as of Monday evening March 4,
answered our questions. The American Justice Department indicated to us
that "a dozen" of these "students" would still be imprisoned indefinitely,
and all the others had been released or deported. The FBI indicated to us
that it will not make "any comment at this stage." The CIA, the FBI, the
DEA, the INS, the NSA, the Justice Department and the Pentagon have all
designated an investigator on this file.
~~~~~~~~~~
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=664&u=/ap/20020305/ap_to_po/attacks_ridge_3
Homeland security director turns down
senators' request to testify
Tue Mar 5, 4:26 AM ET
By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Homeland security chief Tom Ridge is turning
down a bipartisan request from a Senate committee that he testify, his
spokeswoman said Monday, the latest White House-Congress
difference over the war on terror.
The two top members of the Senate Appropriations Committee —
Chairman Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., and senior Republican Sen. Ted
Stevens of Alaska — wrote to Ridge on Monday asking that he
appear before their panel.
Ridge coordinates the government's anti-terrorism effort at home,
though the programs themselves are carried out by dozens of other
agencies. Appropriations controls much federal spending, including the
$38 billion — double this year's total — that President Bush has
proposed for next year's domestic security programs.
"Your views and insights on the policies necessary to meet these
objectives are critical to the committee and the nation," the senators
wrote.
Ridge spokeswoman Susan Neely said he would not testify because he
is an adviser to the president, not a Senate-confirmed head of an
agency that implements policy.
"Assistants to the president work for the president," Neely said. "And
the president has spoken his recommendations to the Senate and
House" in the budget he sent Congress last month, she said.
Byrd spokesman Tom Gavin had no comment on Ridge's refusal until
the committee receives the homeland security director's formal
response. Asked if Byrd would compel Ridge's appearance through a
subpoena, Gavin said Byrd has not discussed that possibility.
Republican Stevens' signature on the Appropriations Committee letter
makes this appear to be a dispute between the executive and legislative
branches over the release of information, not a partisan conflict.
Last week, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., and other
Democrats asked questions about Bush administration plans for
continuing the conflict in Afghanistan. That prompted some Republicans
to accuse Democrats of politicizing the war, while Democrats said they
merely wanted details.
Daschle and other lawmakers also have complained they knew nothing
about federal officials who have been working secretly outside
Washington since Sept. 11 as a contingency government to guarantee
continuity in case of a devastating attack on Washington. The "shadow
government" was revealed last week by The Washington Post, and a
GOP lawmaker criticized the secrecy surrounding it on Monday.
"We have to have some awareness of this because, as I recall, we are
number three in succession here and that might be of interest to them,"
said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., referring to succession to the
presidency.
In another dispute, Congress' General Accounting Office has sued Vice
President Dick Cheney to learn the names of business leaders who met
with the White House energy task force.
Neely said Ridge has repeatedly met privately with lawmakers to
discuss domestic security, including recent separate sessions with GOP
and Democratic senators.
Presidents often decline to let White House staff testify to Congress,
citing past precedent, but there have been numerous recent exceptions
to that practice.
Byrd and Stevens gave Ridge the choice of testifying on April 9, 10 or
11.
___
On the Net: Homeland Security: http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/
Senate Appropriations Committee: http://appropriations.senate.gov/
~~~~~~~~~~
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
David Ehrens wrote:
> So what we know so far is:
From Le Monde :
-- According to the chief editor of Online Intelligence, Guillaume
Dasquié, this "vast network of Israeli intelligence agents was
neutralized by the counter-espionage services of the Department of
Justice." The Americans "would have apprehended or expelled close to 120
Israeli nationals."
M. Dasquié gives a report on a "61-page review article" from June 2001,
given to the American justice department by a "task force" made up of
agents of the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) and some INS
(Immigration and Naturalization Service) agents "who were associated
with
the FBI and the office of investigation of the US Air Force." Questioned
by Le Monde, Will Glaspy, of the Public Affairs department of the DEA,
authenticated this report, and said the DEA "holds a copy." --
Perhaps you'd care to see more details :
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/
Also, from The Associated Press :
"The DEA report was first obtained by a French Web site that specializes
in intelligence news, Intelligenceonline.com, and confirmed Tuesday as
authentic by DEA spokeswoman Rogene Waite in Washington. The Web site
said 120 Israelis had been arrested."
So ...
> - the FBI says these were just students
> - A UK paper, quoting Le Monde, quoting an
> unnamed DEA source, says they were spies.
There are two names you can check above : Will Glaspy and Rogene Waite.
> - many were military veterans in their mid-twenties
> (not uncommon in a country with universal military service).
Don't forget the _Insight_ and FOX NEWS reports that link Israeli
intelligence to electronic espionage in upper-level U.S. government
institutions (e.g. The White House, NSA, State Department, etc.) :
http://cryptome.org/fox-il-spy.htm
If you check the following link, you'll find the Amdocs connection :
http://www.intelligenceonline.com/images/newversion/reseau/HTML/isr-net_A.htm
The particularly special talents of the operatives whose names are
listed at this link (e.g. explosive ordnance/combat engineer, bomb
disposal expert, electronic intercept operator, knowledge of Patriot
missle defense, etc.) are also of interest.
> - a few are still in jail on immigration violations,
> but nowhere near the 120 cited by the French.
Where did you find the statement that they were being held solely on
immigration violations? Could you cite it?
> Sounds like supposition, on top of conjecture, on top of more
> speculation. Either that, or another conspiracy theory.
LOL!
Yeah. I thought you might say that.
was-salaam,
kaatib
Jacob T.
> No, this is NOT what you said.
>
> Take a closer look again at your own words :
>
> "But the fact is that many in the Mossad were light years ahead of the
> FBI on the WTC issue."
>
> Now if the MOSSAD weren't "in possession of much of the information that
> the FBI had" -- as you suggest above -- how is it that since, as you
> yourself state, "they (the MOSSAD) didn't have the leads that the FBI
> had in its possession," they were "light years ahead of the FBI on the
> WTC issue?"
>
> Kindly explain this conundrum for us.
Sure, I'll try to explain it again so you can understand it.
The Mossad, in dealing with evil Muslims day in and day out, knew in their
guts that Al Qaida Muslims are evil and were plotting terror in the Israel,
the US, and across the planet. Thus, they were sticking to them like glue,
monitoring their every movement, and trying to flush out useful information
that they could use to sabotage any attacks against Israel and maybe even
help America realize the danger they were in.
Thus, Mossad realized that something "stunk in Islam" so to speak, and in
this respect they were "light years ahead of the Americans" who stumbled
blindly, missed opportunities to follow leads that were sitting in their
laps, and basically WALTZED right into 911 like sheep.
Israel KNEW something was afoot, because they know the nature of the evil
Muslims, but the FBI wandered blindly like a drunken fool, even though the
information was in their laps.
Simple.
Does this clear it up for you?
ulysses
Salaam!
Well, if you are spying on al Qaedans (pre 9-11) why would you be
hanging around in law enforcement agencies? Shouldn't you be poking
around at mosques and Muslim community centers, etc.?
ulysses
Thadeus Margrove
"ulysses" <nom@n> wrote in message news:3c86cc3...@news.tca.net...
That's easy.
1. To know what LE already knows about the target.
2. To know what LE knows about you.
3. To know what LE operations may be 'going down'.
JiĐan ibn @ri
rejecting Jesus and in
the samebreath side with JEWS who muder them. are you under the delusion
that Jews will
recognize Jesus when he comes flying out of the sky on a white horse?
Jacob T. wrote:
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ulysses
<div...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"ulysses" <nom@n> wrote in message news:3c86cc3...@news.tca.net...
>> On Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:41:43 -0600, kaa...@myrealbox.com wrote:
>>
>> >ulysses wrote:
>> >
>> >> The opening paragraph indicates that the alleged Israeli
>> >> spies were tailing al Qaeda. The second paragraph asserts that these
>> >> same spies were trying to "penetrate" (Oh, my darling ...) U.S. law
>> >> enforcement. So which is it?
>> >
>> >"American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
>> >been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
>> >attacks, ..."
>> >
>> >... and ...
>> >
>> >"More than 100 Israeli agents, posing as students, were arrested in the
>> >first half of last year after trying to penetrate American law
>> >enforcement agencies, according to Le Monde and a French internet
>> >newsletter, Intelligence Online ..."
>> >
>> >By what logic does one necessarily preclude the other?
>>
>> Salaam!
>>
>> Well, if you are spying on al Qaedans (pre 9-11) why would you be
>> hanging around in law enforcement agencies?
>
>That's easy.
>1. To know what LE already knows about the target.
>2. To know what LE knows about you.
I dunno, this one's a bit circular, don't you think?
>3. To know what LE operations may be 'going down'.
Okay, but there is already a considerable sharing of LE information
relating to terrorism between Israel & the U.S. Both the U.S. &
Israel have a great interest in defeating al Qaeda. What would the
insertion of student spies accomplish that simple, up-front give &
take could not?
>
>> Shouldn't you be poking
>> around at mosques and Muslim community centers, etc.?
I don't think that al Qaeda has infiltrated the LE establishment yet,
do you?
ulysses
Thadeus Margrove
"ulysses" <nom@n> wrote in message news:3c86fcde...@news.tca.net...
Not really. #1 is for getting the information that LE already has about the
target (al Qaida). This would be information that you didn't have to get
yourself (though there is a vetting problem - just how good do you, as Mossad,
think that the LE is?).
#2 is what LE knows about you own operation and how that affects your
intelligence operations. Also if LE knows about you then information you are
getting from LE may be deliberate misinformation.
>
> >3. To know what LE operations may be 'going down'.
>
> Okay, but there is already a considerable sharing of LE information
> relating to terrorism between Israel & the U.S. Both the U.S. &
> Israel have a great interest in defeating al Qaeda.
Is Israel really interested in the same way the US is? "Muslim Terrorism,
Inc." is not a monolithic enterprise. I'd think that al Qaida is more of an
obsession with the US than with Israel. Israel has local, non-al Qaida
franchises to worry about.
This does then run counter to why Mossad would be spying out al Qaida in the US.
Perhaps thoroughness and looking for leads into their own local/regional
opponents?
> What would the
> insertion of student spies accomplish that simple, up-front give &
> take could not?
Even with the 'special relationship' the US had (has?) with British intel, we
didn't share everything and even ran minor ops against each other. The nature
of intelligence is to be suspicious. Suspicious people don't cooperate that
freely. (This is actually a good thing. You want suspicious people manning
the 'watchtowers', yes?)
> >
> >> Shouldn't you be poking
> >> around at mosques and Muslim community centers, etc.?
>
> I don't think that al Qaeda has infiltrated the LE establishment yet,
> do you?
They don't have to. That would just be a distraction and imply a level of
integrated operation on al Qaida's part that would undermine their own
distributed and robust organization. A 'project cell' of al Qaida might care
about what LE knows about them but they shouldn't let that, beyond standard op-
and com- sec hygiene, keep them awake at night.
>
> ulysses
kaa...@myrealbox.com
makes, in response to the following statement
> American agents have dismantled an Israeli spy network, which may have
> been watching al-Qa'ida members inside the US before the 11 September
> attacks, French publications reported yesterday. ...
wrote :
"Boy, those Israelis are on the job.
I wish that more of our FBI were as dedicated, astute, and efficient as
those guys.
I am PROUD to have the Israelis on our side in the War on Islamic
Terrorism!!"
Later, Jacob T. said :
>>The Mossad, in dealing with evil Muslims day in and day out, knew in their guts that Al Qaida Muslims are evil and were plotting terror in the Israel, the US, and across the planet. Thus, they were sticking to them like glue, monitoring their every movement, and trying to flush out useful information that they could use to sabotage any attacks against Israel and maybe even help America realize the danger they were in.<<
Funny guy, that Jacob T.
The Israeli operatives were "on the job," "sticking to al-Qa'ida like
glue, monitoring their every movement, etc., etc., etc.", yet for all
this amazing proximity to al-Qa'ida -- a proximity that, by Jacob T.'s
own admission, rivalled that of American intelligence -- Israeli
intelligence didn't do enough to prevent the 9/11 attacks ...
which, rather than incite applause, should immediately place Israeli
intelligence operating in America under the strictest scrutiny.
was-salaam,
kaatib
kaa...@myrealbox.com
"JiĐan ibn @ri" wrote:
> I will never understand the deaf dumb and blind who accuse Muslims of
> rejecting Jesus and in
> the samebreath side with JEWS who muder them. are you under the delusion
> that Jews will
> recognize Jesus when he comes flying out of the sky on a white horse?
It's mostly about information -- what is concealed versus what is not
and how all of it is given attention. The same game is still being
played; the veneer has simply changed, somewhat.
Jesus 'alaihis-salaam is regarded as "King of the Jews," apotheosized in
the name of pauline Christianity and The Children of Israel are regarded
as "chosen," exclusive, superior. Yet anyone who cares to seriously
study Scripture knows full well that Jesus 'alaihis-salaam never imputed
"Godhood" upon himself and that the conditions of the covenant between
ALLAH and the Children of Israel necessitated the meeting of demands
greater than one of simply "claiming Jewishness" -- though ultimately
less demanding than not.
So why, if the record is there for all to see, do so many seem to prefer
falsehood?
That's a good question.
was-salaam,
kaatib