Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Re: Any Phone Safe?

14 views
Skip to first unread message
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 15, 2007, 2:50:02 PM2/15/07
to
Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in=20
> news:b61949089c833bed...@dizum.com:A vortex formed
> within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>=20
> > Other than having crypto phones on each end what's the safest, most
> > anonymous phone you can own nowadays? Is cell safer than landline?
> > Why or why not. Anyone who believes that the government only
> > listens to terrorists I think is really taking a big risk
> > especially if they are on Bush's black list (I am sure he has one).
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> The problem with cell phones is the "implied consent" laws. You are=20
> knowingly using a portable transmitter/reciever. Anything done on a
> cell phone can be used in court without any privacy protection laws
> that would apply to landlines. No warrant necessary because it was
> sent openly over the airwaves.

Total, made up, bullshit.

There's no such thing as cell phone "implied consent" laws you deviate
asshat. Cell users have the same expectation of privacy one has using a
land line, or speaking in a low voice. It requires specific legal
authorization to intercept and record any of those things, although I
can understand why a piece of subhuman refuse like yourself might be so
paranoid they'd believe otherwise.

Ed

unread,
Feb 15, 2007, 11:41:54 PM2/15/07
to
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

"Eggplant©" <veget...@theguarden.com> wrote in
news:Xns98D83ADFD...@63.218.45.252:

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in

> news:b61949089c833bed...@dizum.com:A vortex formed within
> the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>

>> Other than having crypto phones on each end what's the safest, most
>> anonymous phone you can own nowadays? Is cell safer than landline?
>> Why or why not. Anyone who believes that the government only listens
>> to terrorists I think is really taking a big risk especially if they
>> are on Bush's black list (I am sure he has one).
>>
>>
>

> The problem with cell phones is the "implied consent" laws. You are

> knowingly using a portable transmitter/reciever. Anything done on a
> cell phone can be used in court without any privacy protection laws
> that would apply to landlines. No warrant necessary because it was
> sent openly over the airwaves.
>

Sounds like a great argument for encryption.

- --
http://blog.peculiarplace.com
http://lurasbookcase.com/zone.shtml
http://peculiarplace.com/nightmare.shtml
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52

iQEVAwUBRdU2B3V+YnyE1GYEAQjPLwf+ODKDEvaBG3XQFIqAR918B9swKCMCRq5j
LgPwQhjnnvtZ4afDezJEaOEAFa9ykLRkAJRR9bpNJv5qAC2NcLsp5Zr41QN4A1fQ
5jL8xwkk/xbbEHMUE36UBN9q7NAzHCWV1zSS7AUk0dc06ZlFth4zEivNsBYVeBo+
1pV8trSlz5xsc7Q7ClQ+Q+RPlp2Hz1h22+7H66PkdC1rOo8Wc4ODNX+9RcFgVbiY
6NbaZyZAifLghe7xOamF4HqsHmPKUH7NBus8zQp0KtWt1IKIltVzqWsIrMOUa435
RTC5m7jR0MAHtSVgtKIu5K2MH6UWYtBe85H2YmiHWhSXt/dEPVU4XQ==
=Kh4M
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

traveler 66

unread,
Feb 16, 2007, 2:12:39 AM2/16/07
to
On 15 Feb 2007 13:46:37 GMT, EggplantŠ wrote:

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in
> news:b61949089c833bed...@dizum.com:A vortex formed within the
> smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>
>> Other than having crypto phones on each end what's the safest, most
>> anonymous phone you can own nowadays? Is cell safer than landline? Why or
>> why not. Anyone who believes that the government only listens to
>> terrorists I think is really taking a big risk especially if they are on
>> Bush's black list (I am sure he has one).
>>
>
> The problem with cell phones is the "implied consent" laws. You are
> knowingly using a portable transmitter/reciever. Anything done on a cell
> phone can be used in court without any privacy protection laws that would
> apply to landlines. No warrant necessary because it was sent openly over
> the airwaves.

Why don't you post your address here, I'll look up the law in your area for
you.

Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 16, 2007, 8:00:04 AM2/16/07
to
traveler 66 wrote:

> On 15 Feb 2007 13:46:37 GMT, Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:
>=20


> > Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in=20

> > news:b61949089c833bed...@dizum.com:A vortex formed
> > within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:

> >=20


> >> Other than having crypto phones on each end what's the safest, most
> >> anonymous phone you can own nowadays? Is cell safer than landline?
> >> Why or why not. Anyone who believes that the government only
> >> listens to terrorists I think is really taking a big risk
> >> especially if they are on Bush's black list (I am sure he has one).

> >>=20
> >=20
> > The problem with cell phones is the "implied consent" laws. You are=20


> > knowingly using a portable transmitter/reciever. Anything done on a
> > cell phone can be used in court without any privacy protection laws
> > that would apply to landlines. No warrant necessary because it was
> > sent openly over the airwaves.

>=20


> Why don't you post your address here, I'll look up the law in your
> area for you.

Do you mean "look up" as in the way you ignore and deny the laws in all
the cheap hosting privacy SHIT HOLES where you rent server space just
so you can swindle people with your off-shore lies?

Slimy asslickers like you offering legal research assistance is BEYOND
ironic. How many times have you tried to tell us local laws and MLATS
don't matter now? A couple dozen?=20

How's it feel to have your bullshit come back to haunt you? Hmmmmm?

LOL!

braveheart

unread,
Feb 16, 2007, 2:23:09 AM2/16/07
to

"Eggplant©" <veget...@theguarden.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98D83ADFD...@63.218.45.252...

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in
> news:b61949089c833bed...@dizum.com:A vortex formed within the
> smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>
>> Other than having crypto phones on each end what's the safest, most
>> anonymous phone you can own nowadays? Is cell safer than landline? Why or
>> why not. Anyone who believes that the government only listens to
>> terrorists I think is really taking a big risk especially if they are on
>> Bush's black list (I am sure he has one).
>>
>>
>
> The problem with cell phones is the "implied consent" laws. You are
> knowingly using a portable transmitter/reciever. Anything done on a cell
> phone can be used in court without any privacy protection laws that would
> apply to landlines. No warrant necessary because it was sent openly over
> the airwaves.

goof

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

AZ Nomad

unread,
Feb 16, 2007, 5:26:17 PM2/16/07
to
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:50:02 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:

>There's no such thing as cell phone "implied consent" laws you deviate
>asshat. Cell users have the same expectation of privacy one has using a
>land line, or speaking in a low voice. It requires specific legal
>authorization to intercept and record any of those things, although I

Sheesh. Who pissed on your wheaties?

traveler 66

unread,
Feb 16, 2007, 8:29:45 PM2/16/07
to

You're mixing me up with someone else, but a troll like you wouldn't care
anyway. Give your friend eggpunt a great big hug and have a great day.

flush/troll

Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 1:30:10 AM2/17/07
to
AZ Nomad wrote:

Maybe he just doesn't care for diaper sniping pedofucks pretending to be
legal experts in between rants about how misunderstood and "picked on"
pedofucks are.

Or don't you have a problem with pedofucks?

Non scrivetemi

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 3:20:10 AM2/17/07
to
Gerog Adem puppet #66 wrote:

> You're mixing

Don't you mean "your"?

Careful now. Remember what happened the last time you tried spelling
like a real human being. Got real ugly, didn't it? Embarrassed the
living SHIT out of yourself, didn't you?

<snicker>

traveler 66

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 3:45:29 AM2/17/07
to

flush/troll/anonopuppet/cotse

blackhat

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 3:55:37 AM2/17/07
to
On Feb 17, 3:20 am, "Non scrivetemi"

It looks like either Cotse or Metroskunk are spamming the newsgroups
again, frack off loosers. You sound about as worth while as a
Metroskunk privacy policy with a Cotse twist

Flush Fracktards

George Orwell

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 9:01:01 AM2/17/07
to
blackhat wrote:

> On Feb 17, 3:20 am, "Non scrivetemi"
> <nonscrivet...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
> > Gerog Adem puppet #66 wrote:
> >
> > > You're mixing
> >
> > Don't you mean "your"?
> >
> > Careful now. Remember what happened the last time you tried spelling
> > like a real human being. Got real ugly, didn't it? Embarrassed the
> > living SHIT out of yourself, didn't you?
> >
> > <snicker>
>
> It looks like either Cotse or Metroskunk are spamming the newsgroups
> again, frack off loosers.

It's spelled _losers_ you illiterate cunt.


Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 11:20:02 AM2/17/07
to
Georg Adem puppet blackhat wrote:

<FLUSH!>

Go back to your web forum and jack off all over it about Jews or
something you racists, ignorant, mindless, boring, illiterate,
pecker head.

blackhat

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 4:38:05 PM2/17/07
to

Why don't you frack puppet, along with your other socks, loooser troll

traveler 66

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 4:54:48 PM2/17/07
to

Ah, what's the matter, couldn't you and eggpunt make up and kiss? LOL

AZ Nomad

unread,
Feb 17, 2007, 10:08:31 PM2/17/07
to


>AZ Nomad wrote:


Do you often refer to yourself in the third person?

Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 18, 2007, 12:00:05 AM2/18/07
to
AZ Nomad wrote:

WTF are you babbling on about?

Lemme break it down into bite sized chunks for ya', short bus. Someone
bitchslaps a raving pedofuck and you take exception to it. That begs
the question..... why would a normal person wet their panties over a
little rough language when it's directed at someone whose repeatedly
confessed and defended pedophilia?

You some sort of pervert yourself there boy?

Anonyma

unread,
Feb 18, 2007, 12:28:38 AM2/18/07
to
AZ Nomad wrote:

Do YOU often pretend everyone who points out your ignorance is the same
person while you're evading questions about whether or not you have a
problem with using little kids as sexual objects?

Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

Anonyma

unread,
Feb 22, 2007, 2:22:20 PM2/22/07
to
Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:

> > Total, made up, bullshit.
> >=20


> > There's no such thing as cell phone "implied consent" laws you
> > deviate asshat. Cell users have the same expectation of privacy one
> > has using a land line, or speaking in a low voice. It requires
> > specific legal authorization to intercept and record any of those
> > things, although I can understand why a piece of subhuman refuse
> > like yourself might be so paranoid they'd believe otherwise.

> >=20
>=20
> Made up? Really? Gee!=20

Yeah. Really. Total bullshit just like you and everything about you.

> Implied consent is a blanket coverage rule applying to anything and=20
> everything. Judges decission. Want a couple of examples? Okay!
>=20
> A neighbor kid got convicted for growing a pot plant in his closet.
> It was found when police entered without a warrant and searched. The
> judge ruled that no warrant was needed in the case because the door
> was unlocked, thus consent to search was implied.

Made up lies. This never happened and the proof will be you'll never
provide a single cite to prop up this fantasy. The police had to have
some other probable cause or they couldn't have legally entered. An
unlocked door don't cut it, liar.
=20
> The bottom of a friends garage door broke and you could see the
> bumper of a car inside he was restoring. The "city beautification"
> people went in his garage and noted there was no license plate on the
> car. It wasn't being driven or even drivable, but he had to get
> insurance and plates setting him back on his project. Why? Because
> the judge ruled the city had a right to enter his garage because it
> was implied consent due to his not having no trespassing signs posted.

No, it was because the car was visible from the street and violated
local ordinances. This has nothing at all to do with anything. Your
idiot friend should have fixed his garage door instead of molesting
children.

If this isn't made up too that is, which considering the source is a
distinct possibility.

>=20
> Another friend in broadcasting got curious a couple of years ago and=20
> researched what can and can't legally be done about anything going
> over the airwaves. Bottom line is if it's openly broadcast it can be
> ruled admissable due to impied consent. This includes EVERYTHING
> going over the airwaves. Including cell phones. Do your homework, Mr.
> know it all. I have.

You've done nothing of the sort. Public radio broadcasts are INTENDED
for public consumption you ignorant pervert. Telephone conversations
are not. It's all about reasonable expectation of privacy.

>=20
> Anything and everything falls under implied consent. All it takes is

Bullshit. 100% cow flop. You're a straw grabbing, lying, asslicker.
Most of what you've posted is obvious lies and the rest is irrelevant.

> Maybe you should look into the no knock clauses in the laws these

Maybe you should seek professional help for your delusions as well as
your perversions.

> Of course, from your responce, you're probably law enforcement (like

ROTFLMAO!

What a fucking MORON! You don't even have enough confidence in your OWN
bullshit that you can post it without flinging around some childish,
idiotic accusations.

You do more to demolish your own stupidity than I ever could, asslicker.

Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 22, 2007, 3:10:06 PM2/22/07
to
Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:

> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote in=20
> news:ad44b9b6ceb5f9c0...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info:A


> vortex formed within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became
> this:
>=20

> > Gerog Adem puppet #66 wrote:

> > =20
> >> You're mixing=20
> >=20


> > Don't you mean "your"?

>=20
> No. He means "you are mixing". A conjuction, if you haven't heard of
> them. Talk about embarrassing yourself.

Um.... "he"?

YOU just replied as "he" you cumbubbling jackwit.

> It might interest some to know that on a university level the worst=20
> spellers in the nation are those with masters degrees or PHDs in

No, they're not. You made this up just like you make up most of the
crap you post.

Non scrivetemi

unread,
Feb 22, 2007, 3:21:53 PM2/22/07
to
Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:

> >>=20


> >> It looks like either Cotse or Metroskunk are spamming the
> >> newsgroups again, frack off loosers.

> >=20


> > It's spelled _losers_ you illiterate cunt.

> >=20
> >=20
> He's illiterate?

Yeah "he" is. Incurably and famously. Remember "his" little spelling
correction fiasco a while ago and how it backfired because "he's" too
fucking STUPID to spell 4-6 letter words consistently?

I'll bet you do. LOL!=20

> Ever heard of slang?

ROTFL!!

That's the best you've got? Try to brush your illiteracy off as "slang"
with another one of your sock puppets??

You're as pathetic as you are illiterate.

Anonyma

unread,
Feb 22, 2007, 4:23:00 PM2/22/07
to
Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in=20

> news:1af100c765b949c3...@dizum.com:A vortex formed


> within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>=20

> > traveler 66 wrote:

<CLIP>

> WTF are you talking about (in your further attempts to confuse
> issues).
>=20
> I don't have a server, nor am I connected to anyone who does beyond

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Forget to change socks there, asslicker?

So it turns out the "traveler" puppet is also a pedofuck pervert called
Eggfart. That explains a lot. You were always "both" just a couple of
fucktarded asslickers. It's good to know Privacy.LIE and its twin
sister scam services have such a distinguished customer base.

Owned by perverted racists..... patronized by racist perverts.=20

LOL! Outstanding. Thank you. LOL!!

Message has been deleted

Borked Pseudo Mailed

unread,
Feb 22, 2007, 5:25:35 PM2/22/07
to
"Eggplant©" <veget...@theguarden.com> wrote:

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote ...
>
> > traveler 66 wrote:

> I don't have a server ...

Racist, pervert, privacy.lie puppet... you really do have all the
bases covered, don't you?

I'm glad I read this group. It's always good to know just what sort of
subhuman refuse owns, operates, and advocates some of the so called
"anonymity services".


George Orwell

unread,
Feb 22, 2007, 8:25:23 PM2/22/07
to
Nomen Nescio wrote:

All makes sense now. If you look at the technically incompetent garbage
traveler/nobrains/puppet-of-the-day posts and compare it to the glaring
stupidity of "Eggfart" it's identical. Fact free, mindless tripe.
Finding out that a self professed child molester is also a confessed
antisemitic only ices the cake.

This guy is one fucked up piece of work, for sure. But on the bright
side it's good evidence that all the alt.privacy.* group noise is being
generated by one asshole. ;)

>

Message has been deleted

Fritz Wuehler

unread,
Feb 23, 2007, 12:05:55 AM2/23/07
to
"Eggplant©" <veget...@theguarden.com> wrote:

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in
> news:1af100c765b949c3...@dizum.com:A vortex formed within

> the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>

> > traveler 66 wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 Feb 2007 13:46:37 GMT, Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:
> >>=20

> >> > Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in=20

> >> > news:b61949089c833bed...@dizum.com:A vortex formed


> >> > within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
> >> >=20

> >> >> Other than having crypto phones on each end what's the safest, most
> >> >> anonymous phone you can own nowadays? Is cell safer than landline?
> >> >> Why or why not. Anyone who believes that the government only
> >> >> listens to terrorists I think is really taking a big risk
> >> >> especially if they are on Bush's black list (I am sure he has one).
> >> >>=20
> >> >=20
> >> > The problem with cell phones is the "implied consent" laws. You are=
> 20
> >> > knowingly using a portable transmitter/reciever. Anything done on a
> >> > cell phone can be used in court without any privacy protection laws
> >> > that would apply to landlines. No warrant necessary because it was
> >> > sent openly over the airwaves.
> >>=20
> >> Why don't you post your address here, I'll look up the law in your
> >> area for you.
> >
> > Do you mean "look up" as in the way you ignore and deny the laws in all
> > the cheap hosting privacy SHIT HOLES where you rent server space just
> > so you can swindle people with your off-shore lies?
> >
> > Slimy asslickers like you offering legal research assistance is BEYOND
> > ironic. How many times have you tried to tell us local laws and MLATS
> > don't matter now? A couple dozen?=20
> >
> > How's it feel to have your bullshit come back to haunt you? Hmmmmm?
> >
> > LOL!
> >

> WTF are you talking about (in your further attempts to confuse issues).
>

> I don't have a server, nor am I connected to anyone who does beyond being
> a very satified customer with prili. Nothing has come back to haunt me at
> all. Who ever said the laws don't matter? Having to put words in peoples
> mouths to try to look wise again I see. When do you offer anything to
> help anyone? You're just a troll.
>

Oooooopsie!

You do realize you just outed another one of your sock puppets, right?

So now we know the traveler/blackhat/ad-nauseam privacy service shill
is a filthy child molester too. Who hates Jews.

My my. What an impressive resume.

<laugh>


Nomen Nescio

unread,
Feb 23, 2007, 7:20:05 AM2/23/07
to
Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:

> Confessed antisemitic? WTF are you talking about? In the first place
> I'm not traveler so you're in total ignorance there. In the second I
> married a jewish girl. What a know nothing you are.

You answer travelerpuppet posts as eggfart, ADMIT you screwed up and
forgot to change socks, and NOW you're trying to deny it again?

What a friggin halfwit! You're so loony you defy description.
Seriously. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look and just not
care, or are you so far gone you don't realize?

marika

unread,
Mar 2, 2007, 8:35:05 PM3/2/07
to
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:23:00 -0500, Anonyma <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

> Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:
>
>> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in=20
>> news:1af100c765b949c3...@dizum.com:A vortex formed
>> within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>> =20
>> > traveler 66 wrote:
>
> <CLIP>
>
>> WTF are you talking about (in your further attempts to confuse
>> issues).
>> =20
>> I don't have a server, nor am I connected to anyone who does beyond
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> Forget to change socks there, asslicker?
>
> So it turns out the "traveler" puppet is also a pedofuck pervert called
> Eggfart. That explains a lot. You were always "both" just a couple of
> fucktarded asslickers.

more misheard lyrics


'Tard and Feathered
How did "Let's Get Retarded" turn into "Let's Get It Started"?

BY BRIDGET JOHNSON
Thursday, October 7, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

After John Edwards wrapped up his speech at the Democratic National
Convention, gushing about hip hope in America, the hip-hop group Black
Eyed Peas hopped onstage to keep the party momentum going with the
funkified song "Let's Get
it Started."

But wait one funkadelic minute--that's not the name of the song!

I bought the Black Eyed Peas' "Elephunk" CD back around the time groovy
dance hit "Hey Mama" was released, and enjoyed track No. 3: "Let's
Get Retarded":

Everybody, everybody, let's get into it
Get stupid
Get retarded, get retarded, get retarded
Let's get retarded (ha), let's get retarded in here

And I heard this track on the radio for a bit, until it was mysteriously
replaced by "Let's Get It Started," which was also playing in commercials
for the NBA finals. A new version of the entire CD was later released,
adding "Let's Get It Started." The video: "Let's Get It Started."

I figured there's always a lobby of politically correct police that is the
catalyst in these situations, so I e-mailed a representative at the Arc of
the United States, formerly known as the Association for Retarded
Citizens, the group that had recently tsk-tsk'd teen actress Lindsay Lohan
for saying
breast-implant rumors involving her were "retarded," a term Ms. Lohan
also used to describe the paparazzi. "Did the Arc have anything to do with
the
change in lyrics of the Black Eyed Peas song 'Let's Get Retarded' to
'Let's Get it Started'?" I asked.

The first thing I noticed on the return e-mail was that the subject line
of my e-mail had been changed from "Let's Get Retarded" to "Let's
Get It Started."

"Thanks for your inquiry regarding Let's Get it Started/Let's Get
Retarded," wrote communications director Chris Privett. "The Arc did
publicly call for
the song's lyrics to be changed, which included writing several letters to
record company executives. We hope our actions played a role in getting the
lyrics changed, but as we never heard any response from the record company
or
the group's management, we're not sure whether they planned to make the
change anyway or whether we convinced them that the language was
offensive."

The Arc has had good and noble purpose in promoting the welfare of the
mentally disabled since its founding in 1952 as the National Association
for Retarded Children. People with limited capacity should be fully
integrated into society. It's great to see more as proud members of the
work force. Most
businesses would pick a conscientious mentally disabled person to stuff
envelopes over a smarmy teenager any day. But when working to bring all
the advantages of an ordinary life to the mentally disabled, why get hung
up on
a word, particularly one for which the meaning ranges from a medical term
to street slang?

"Retarded." Adjective. "Slowed or delayed in development or progress,
esp. because of mental retardation," says Webster's.

An example of bad usage: Back in college, I worked with a day program for
developmentally disabled adults. One afternoon we made a quick stop at the
fraternity house of a guy I was dating. As the van pulled up, one of my
boyfriend's frat brothers yelled out, "Hey, Bridget's here with the
'tards!" Consider the source.

Examples of usage that are synonymous with stupid and may not show the
best taste, but take no aim at the disabled: "Dude, you're retarded," says
a guy
after his buddy announces he's marrying a girl he met online last week.
"That looks so retarded!" says a young woman twirling her hair as her
friend emerges
from the dressing room in hideous faux couture. "Let's get retarded in
here," a hip-hop group sings, encouraging people to let go and party
beyond hearty.

The one thing I remember with the "bad usage" example is that none of
the mentally disabled adults I worked with really knew or cared on the
rare occasions people called them names--and these were people who
expressed every
emotion. Their minds were occupied with more important things, like
enjoying the day at hand and not being condescended to or coddled. Much of
the uproar
over the word "retarded" is secondhand offense--people taking offense
because they believe others will be offended.

In Arc president Lorraine Sheehan's letter to Ms. Lohan regarding her
"retarded" usage, she said, "There are few more deeply wounding words
than these." (I can think of a few worse words offhand, having spent my
career in
newsrooms, but decorum prevents going into detail here.) The civilized
world agrees, though, that it's not nice to be mean to mentally retarded
people. (Though PC dictates that professional white males are still fair
game, baby--
have at it!)

Ms. Sheehan goes on to say, "People with mental retardation and
developmental disabilities aren't looking for special treatment or
sympathy." Agreed--so why single them out in a PC cage? My childhood best
friend had cerebral palsy,
epilepsy and mild retardation. Her very cool attitude was one of Yep, I'm
retarded. So what do you wanna do after school? Far from being picked on,
she was the first to tell someone if he was acting stupid. Instead of
quibbling over the words used to define her condition, she showed other
kids that the
condition didn't define her. Changing the words wouldn't have changed her
condition, anyway.

So in an effort to promote integration, we instead wind up engulfing the
mentally disabled in a web of political correctness. Those with good
intentions get snapped at when they use the term "mentally retarded" as
opposed to "developmentally disabled" or "handicapped" versus
"differently abled," fueling a war of words and driving focus away from
the true issues at
hand. When you expend so much effort drawing up a correct label for
someone, it ratchets up the importance of that label and sends their
individuality down a notch.

And if the Black Eyed Peas felt such a stabbing pain of politically
correct guilt about singing the word "retarded," why did they record the
track in the
first place? Maybe they thought the first line would explain it: "In this
form, there's no disrespect." They still were included on an insensitivity
hit list
of sorts in a June USA Today article, "Words Without Much Wisdom," in
which the writer just pulled a collection of quotes from celebrities and
Eminem lyrics that used the R-word. Are we PC blacklisting now?

Desperately searching for a sliver of logic in the big, wide PC world, I
asked the Arc representative, "Are there similar calls issued against use
of the words 'idiot,' 'imbecile, 'moron,' etc.?" All are medical
terms once used to
define different degrees of mental retardation that eventually took on
slang meanings synonymous with "stupid." The reply: "We have not issued
similar calls against 'idiot,' 'imbecile,' or other similar words. To our
constituents, those words don't have the same pejorative impact as
'retard' or 'retarded.'
"

Political correctness has a way of mysteriously defining its own
boundaries that society is automatically supposed to know and follow. I
can't pinpoint
when it suddenly became bad to say Hispanic rather than Latino, but I do
know that when I was a reporter a few years ago, a source viciously
snapped at me
for using the H-word. A few PC terms are convenient, like "significant
other" to refer to a boyfriend in that weird area between dating and
commitment. Most
just inspire eye-rolling and hefty, frustrated groans.

I came across a list of "acceptable" and "offensive" terms given
to computer
science students at a New England college: Acceptable is "non-disabled,"
offensive equivalents would be "able-bodied," "normal" or "healthy."
You can't
say "birth defect"; it's "congenital disability." And amazingly
enough, the
term "psychopath" is off-limits, even though this word defines a specific
antisocial personality disorder. It's enough to make you go crazy, wacko,
bonkers, nutso and loony.

Language is constantly evolving. Special Olympics now uses "people with
intellectual disabilities" instead of the now frowned-upon "mental
disabilities." However, I think we could point out plenty of
intellectually disabled people
who aren't retarded--particularly in an election year--and vice-versa. But
what happens when this term, too, evolves into slang? "Dude, you are so
intellectually disabled." "Getting breast implants is intellectually
disabled." "Let's Get Intellectually Disabled"--new revision
of the Peas track?

So where does it stop? Lindsay Lohan said the breast-implants rumor was
"retarded." Is the plastic surgery lobby asking the actress for a
retraction or apology? Sir Mix-A-Lot rapped about huge derrieres in his
1992 hit "Baby
Got Back." Did he have to apologize to the posterior challenged? Bad-boy
rapper Ludacris has a track called "Ho," but the prostitutes' lobby
probably isn't powerful enough to challenge this song.

Political correctness draws up rigid distinctions instead of blending
differences into one harmonious pot. PC relegates a person's worth to the
weight of the words used to describe him. PC assumes people have all the
resiliency of whipped cream and will be scarred by words that they might
not originally find offensive, but PC has told them that they're
offensive. Even
the Oscars are PC now: It's not "the winner is . . .," but "the
Oscar goes to . . ."

PC is awash in schools, where competitions occur without a winner being
crowned and districts increasingly ban dodgeball (though maybe Muqtada
al-Sadr was the emotional victim of one too many pelts in school). One
study even pooh-poohed the games of duck-duck-goose and musical chairs,
suggesting they
inflict emotional damage. Last year, Los Angeles County asked computer
vendors to avoid all use of the technological terms "master" and "slave"
in product labels and descriptions (terms that describe systems that are
under the control of others). Apparently, a county employee felt oppressed
by the
computer and complained. The county missed the cost-saving
complaint-resolution technique of giving the complainer a pack of Post-It
Notes with directions
to slap them over any offensive words on the blasted oppressive computer.

While the Peas are into PC song changing, though, the time may be ripe for
one discriminated group to get in on the act. The Peas song "Where Is the
Love?" contains the following lyrics:


Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA
The Bloods and the Crips and the KKK

Spooks, linguists, analysts: Are you gonna take that lying down? You guys
are risking your butts to put al Qaeda in the can, not burning crosses in
bed sheets or doing drive-bys in South Central. Surely you can take on the
Peas
in defense of your good name, never mind your feelings and self-esteem
that have been so deeply wounded by being called terrorists. Fight back!
Get a
resolution passed! Form a committee! Start a public awareness campaign!
Oh wait, our friends at the CIA must have already realized something: It's
just a song.

Ms. Johnson is a journalist and screenwriter in Southern California.

marika

unread,
Mar 2, 2007, 8:43:15 PM3/2/07
to
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:51:00 -0500, Eggplant© <veget...@theguarden.com>
wrote:

> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote in

> news:ad44b9b6ceb5f9c0...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info:A vortex


> formed within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>

>> Gerog Adem puppet #66 wrote:
>>
>>> You're mixing
>>
>> Don't you mean "your"?
>

> No.

hmmm

> He means "you are mixing". A conjuction, if you haven't heard of them.
> Talk about embarrassing yourself.


darn i was hoping to compete with him cos he knows some darn big words

>
>>
>> Careful now. Remember what happened the last time you tried spelling
>> like a real human being. Got real ugly, didn't it? Embarrassed the
>> living SHIT out of yourself, didn't you?
>>
>> <snicker>
>>
>>
>

> It might interest some to know that on a university level the worst

> spellers in the nation are those with masters degrees or PHDs in

> chemistry.
> Only people with an otherwise useless english lit degree put much stock
> in
> spelling. Or those with computer degrees or into tech writing. Computer
> degree people can be excused for it. They have to pay attention to detail
> others don't, and have been trained to do so.


i didn't know about the glaucoma. i haven't done enough research about
that one except i know that if you catch it early on you can get it beat

Plus, i thought he said he was going for surgery the day after his birthday

or that they have to treat the glaucoma for a bit til they will perform
the cataract

>
> And who makes the most use of tech writers because they have much more to
> contemplate than spelling?

or mixing stuff up


> Physicists! Who are also poor spellers, but even
> worse (bottom in the nation) at syntax.


my dad does that. he can't hear the doctor but then gets upset and says
the wrong thing that the doctor told him

>
> You think you're (also a conjuction, btw) anywhere nearly as intelligent
> as
> the true intelligencia of hard science? What hubris!
>
> I'm certainly glad I have more to concern myself with than pointing out
> spelling errors.

are you saying they won't due cataract surgery because of the glaucoma

are you saying they didn't discover it til right before the surgery?

how bout you -- when you going to get your cataracts done? or did you get
them done already?

> Especially when in error on your spelling corrections.

Nomen Nescio

unread,
Jun 24, 2007, 11:10:42 PM6/24/07
to
In article <Xns98DF85604...@63.218.45.252>
"Eggplant©" <veget...@theguarden.com> wrote on 22 Feb 2007 21:57:02 GMT:
>
> Anonyma <anon-b...@deuxpi.ca> wrote in
> news:29162e230034491a...@deuxpi.ca:A vortex formed within

> the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
>
> > Eggplant=C2=A9 wrote:
> >
> >> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in=20
> >> news:1af100c765b949c3...@dizum.com:A vortex formed
> >> within the smokey haze of my alledged mind and became this:
> >>=20
> >> > traveler 66 wrote:
> >
> > <CLIP>
> >
> >> WTF are you talking about (in your further attempts to confuse
> >> issues).
> >>=20
> >> I don't have a server, nor am I connected to anyone who does beyond
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!!!!!
> >
> > Forget to change socks there, asslicker?
> >
> > So it turns out the "traveler" puppet is also a pedofuck pervert called
> > Eggfart. That explains a lot. You were always "both" just a couple of
> > fucktarded asslickers. It's good to know Privacy.LIE and its twin
> > sister scam services have such a distinguished customer base.
> >
> > Owned by perverted racists..... patronized by racist perverts.=20
> >
> > LOL! Outstanding. Thank you. LOL!!
> >
> >
> Boy are you a moron. I'd use remailers for everything and stay anonymous
> if I were going to be 2 people. Yeah, I've forgotten to change nics on my
> Xnews. But I don't use remailers. You're way off base as usual.

I know I'm a little late replying...
uh, I forgot what I was going to say! Shit!

0 new messages