Questions about changing charters on alt.* groups
Andy Walker
[x-posted to alt.config]
I'm looking for advice on the standard procedure for changing a group
charter in the alt hierarchy.
I understand that charters don't mean very much anymore, but if a
charter needs to be expanded or clarified for an alt.* group for the
sake of keeping the spirit of the group consistent with the times, is
there an "official" way to do this (e.g. voting on the change within
the group and then resending the creation control message with an
explanation about the change and the new charter.)
This question is primarily directed at the regs in alt.config but
discussion from either group is encouraged.
Thanks,
Andy
Steve Leyland
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: [x-posted to alt.config]
sorry; can't be done.
you can post a new FAQ by consensus, but the original charter absolutely
cannot be changed.
:
: Thanks,
: Andy
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Andy Walker
>Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
>deliver any clue to the following address: awa...@nspank.invalid "Andy
>Walker"
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>: [x-posted to alt.config]
>:
>: I'm looking for advice on the standard procedure for changing a group
>: charter in the alt hierarchy.
>:
>: I understand that charters don't mean very much anymore, but if a
>: charter needs to be expanded or clarified for an alt.* group for the
>: sake of keeping the spirit of the group consistent with the times, is
>: there an "official" way to do this (e.g. voting on the change within
>: the group and then resending the creation control message with an
>: explanation about the change and the new charter.)
>:
>: This question is primarily directed at the regs in alt.config but
>: discussion from either group is encouraged.
>
>sorry; can't be done.
>you can post a new FAQ by consensus, but the original charter absolutely
>cannot be changed.
Thank you Steve.
Is there an official way to create and vote on a FAQ? We recently
discussed making our current FAQ more official by including it in
news.announce postings (is there an alt.announce?) so that it may be
included at FAQ.org. Are there any organizations that will do an
independent vote count for a group? Are there other places that the
FAQ can be archived?
Thanks,
Andy
Brian Mailman
> tm wrote:
>
>>
>>The original charter cannot be changed, but new charters can be
>>written.
>
> Can you please explain this process?
Read that literally, because literally it's true.
Here's the steps:
1. You write one.
2. You post it, say it's the now the official charter.
3. Someone else writes one.
4. Someone else posts it and says that one's now the official charter.
5. Go back to Step 1. Repeat until someone (anyone) pukes.
This is why there's no "official" way to change a charter.
Charters are not constitutions, they are merely founding documents
outlining the vision of the proponent on how the group is going to be
used. Usage changes over time.
This sounds like there's a disagreement over how the group is to be
used, with one side claiming the charter supports them and the other
not. More than likely, you're both right. Filter out who you don't
wish to read.
B/
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Steve Leyland
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Walker"
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andy, an FAQ can only ever be a lits of frequently asked questions.
I am forced to wonder why you are trying to change the "rules" so
officially in whatever group you are concerned about?
in alt.* charters and FAQs are not enforceable.
if posters are offending you and others there, I suggest you post a
tutorial based on the information at http://www.nfilter.org/
:
:
: Thanks,
: Andy
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Andy Walker
>The only problem with your answer is that he will not understand it because
>he thinks he owns Usenet therefore the word killfile is not in his
>vocabulary.
Bwahahahaha! You really are "challenged" butthead. You're too funny
to killfile.
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"Andy Walker" <awa...@nspank.invalid> wrote in message
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Andy Walker
>andy, an FAQ can only ever be a lits of frequently asked questions.
>I am forced to wonder why you are trying to change the "rules" so
>officially in whatever group you are concerned about?
>in alt.* charters and FAQs are not enforceable.
>if posters are offending you and others there, I suggest you post a
>tutorial based on the information at http://www.nfilter.org/
I'm a strong advocate of free speech and have no desires to see the
charter or FAQ be used for anything more than a tool to help users of
the group. As alluded to in my OP, I don't believe that charters or
FAQ's, whether they are considered "official" or not, have any real
bearing on what should be allowed in an alt.* discussion. I also
believe that there are very legitimate reasons to have meaningful
charters and FAQ's for alt.* groups.
Andy Walker
>Charters are not constitutions, they are merely founding documents
>outlining the vision of the proponent on how the group is going to be
>used. Usage changes over time.
I am looking to simply clarify and expand on the charter, or not. The
one we have is sufficient and describes the group fairly well, there
is however new terminologies that may apply (e.g. rootkits.) Adding
these topics to the charter is more of an housekeeping proposal than
anything.
>This sounds like there's a disagreement over how the group is to be
>used, with one side claiming the charter supports them and the other
>not. More than likely, you're both right. Filter out who you don't
>wish to read.
No, there is no real disagreement that I'm aware of. There is some
misquoting between what the charter says and what in contained in the
FAQ, but that is really a minor issue [1]. The whole emphases for any
of the changes I've mentioned (FAQ archiving and charter updates) are
to make using the group more efficient for the end user to get the
help and information they are looking for.
[1] The FAQ asks posters not to post HiJackThis logs directly to the
group and some posters point to the charter as the source. There is
seldom any cases where someone posts a HJT log to the group and are
given a solution, other than posting the log to the web forums
suggested in the FAQ.
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Steve Leyland
"pcbutts1"
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: Thank you for verifying my post.
please don't top-post in alt.config
:
:
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>
>"Andy Walker" <awa...@nspank.invalid> wrote in message
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>> pcbutts1 wrote:
>>
>>>The only problem with your answer is that he will not understand it
>>>because
>>>he thinks he owns Usenet therefore the word killfile is not in his
>>>vocabulary.
>>
>> Bwahahahaha! You really are "challenged" butthead. You're too funny
>> to killfile.
>
So you do care when I read your posts? <sniff> I'm all verklempt here
butty.
Steve Leyland
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: Because he thinks he owns Usenet and specifically alt.privacy.spyware.
fluffy owns usenet. period.
:
:
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>"pcbutts1"
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>: Thank you for verifying my post.
>
>please don't top-post in alt.config
*cough*kook*cough*
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Steve Leyland
"Aratzio"
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: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:29:54 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
:
:: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
:: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
:: pcbu...@seedsv.com "pcbutts1"
:: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
::
::: Thank you for verifying my post.
::
:: please don't top-post in alt.config
:
: *cough*kook*cough*
wot both of 'em or just me?
:
:
:::
:::
::: "Andy Walker" <awa...@nspank.invalid> wrote in message
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Steve Leyland
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: Andy Walker wrote:
:: tm wrote:
::: Andy Walker <awa...@nspank.invalid> wrote:
:
:::: I also believe that there are very legitimate reasons to have
:::: meaningful charters and FAQ's for alt.* groups.
:::
::: Please list them.
::
:: If someone is looking for groups to read and/or subscribe to, a
:: charter might be useful to them. A charter that more accurately
:: describes the topics normally discussed in a group may even be more
:: useful.
::
:: A FAQ for a group might give someone the answers they seek more
:: quickly than having to subscribe to a group. It may also give a more
:: precise answer to commonly asked questions than having to retype the
:: same advice over and over. Having a FAQ that is contained in the
:: genuinely accepted archives for Usenet FAQ's might be a good way to
:: spread valuable legitimate knowledge and advice that is considered
:: correct and derived by a consensus of the group.
:
: Good reasons. Thanks. How many 'looking for groups' people, do you
: think, ever check the charter? I'd be willing to bet that that number
: approaches zero and that the people who do focus on charters will not
: be a useful participants.
: FAQ's, otoh, are great fun to write and can offer useful information,
: but in alt.* they can never be 'official'. No reason not to have ten
: or fifteen of these entertaining documents, eh? And why would you
: rather someone not subscribe?
is it just me that smells a netKKKop trying to justify his actions here?
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Aratzio
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
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>"Aratzio"
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:29:54 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
>: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
>:
>:: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
>:: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
>:: pcbu...@seedsv.com "pcbutts1"
>:: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>::
>::: Thank you for verifying my post.
>::
>:: please don't top-post in alt.config
>:
>: *cough*kook*cough*
>
>wot both of 'em or just me?
Steve how could you imagine I would not think you a kook. That is a
given, this is alt.config.
However, the pcbutts thing is one from the 24hoursupport.helpdesk
froup and, like bullis from the same froup, a complete retard
incapable of actually getting anything right. Some of his advice is
down right hilarious. If I did not know better I'd say he is bullis.
24hoursupport.helpdesk is teh froup, added
Steve Leyland
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"Aratzio"
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: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:06:17 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
:
:: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
:: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
:: a6ah...@sneakemail.com "Aratzio"
:: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
::
::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:29:54 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
:::
:::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
:::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
:::: pcbu...@seedsv.com "pcbutts1"
:::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
::::
::::: Thank you for verifying my post.
::::
:::: please don't top-post in alt.config
:::
::: *cough*kook*cough*
::
:: wot both of 'em or just me?
:
: Steve how could you imagine I would not think you a kook. That is a
: given, this is alt.config.
thanks, man. I'm now happily confident and thoroughly re-assured in my
kookiness.
:
: However, the pcbutts thing is one from the 24hoursupport.helpdesk
: froup and, like bullis from the same froup, a complete retard
: incapable of actually getting anything right. Some of his advice is
: down right hilarious. If I did not know better I'd say he is bullis.
:
: 24hoursupport.helpdesk is teh froup, added
oh, that's just plain wrong. bad advice in that 24hoursupport froup can
result in actual real life harm to innocent people's 'puters.
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Sharky
>is it just me that smells a netKKKop trying to justify his actions here?
You've been smokin' too much ganja man. I don't netkkkop and have been
known to help teach some redheads about the evuls of control freakism.
You were there too. Apparently people no longer ask questions about
group configuration matters in alt.config without being perceived as a
netkkkop or a control freak. Pity that.
Aratzio
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
Just don't show up spamming like Kyle.
>:
>: However, the pcbutts thing is one from the 24hoursupport.helpdesk
>: froup and, like bullis from the same froup, a complete retard
>: incapable of actually getting anything right. Some of his advice is
>: down right hilarious. If I did not know better I'd say he is bullis.
>:
>: 24hoursupport.helpdesk is teh froup, added
>
>oh, that's just plain wrong. bad advice in that 24hoursupport froup can
>result in actual real life harm to innocent people's 'puters.
It is more than a little entertaining when they have a tard fight over
who's stupid advice was actually the more harmful. Lucky for them they
have KM to keep things properly oriented towards solutions. While the
K-man's solutions usually include someone drinking bleach, he is
usually correct.
inhuman buffalo running sore
panhandler and tree-shaped, croaky boong moll, wrote in
<png1q110v37a9j8o9...@4ax.com>:
> tm wrote:
>
>>
>> The original charter cannot be changed, but new charters can be
>> written.
>
> Can you please explain this process?
Take a pencil and a piece of paper...
You stupid fucking tit.
Steve Leyland
"Sharky"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
: Steve Leyland wrote:
:
:: is it just me that smells a netKKKop trying to justify his actions
:: here?
:
: You've been smokin' too much ganja man. I don't netkkkop and have been
: known to help teach some redheads about the evuls of control freakism.
: You were there too.
indeed, mate. I still think they learned a valuable lesson back then,
although that froup is almost dead now.
: Apparently people no longer ask questions about
: group configuration matters in alt.config without being perceived as a
: netkkkop or a control freak. Pity that.
I'm always on the defensive for usenet freedom of speech. there's so
many netKKKopping arseholes around these days who erroneously think they
can control usenet from their keyboards. someone asking about changing
charters and FAQs deserves some poking to see what sticks, right?
BTW there is no such thing as too much ganja :P
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Sharky
>Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
>deliver any clue to the following address: sha...@hellsgates.cor
>"Sharky"
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>: Steve Leyland wrote:
>:
>:: is it just me that smells a netKKKop trying to justify his actions
>:: here?
>:
>: You've been smokin' too much ganja man. I don't netkkkop and have been
>: known to help teach some redheads about the evuls of control freakism.
>: You were there too.
>
>indeed, mate. I still think they learned a valuable lesson back then,
>although that froup is almost dead now.
It might have been your taming of their dominatrix. The fantasy of a
voluptuous, redheaded, bisexual woman barking out orders to her
minions was smashed when she converted. You knave! ;-)
>: Apparently people no longer ask questions about
>: group configuration matters in alt.config without being perceived as a
>: netkkkop or a control freak. Pity that.
>
>I'm always on the defensive for usenet freedom of speech. there's so
>many netKKKopping arseholes around these days who erroneously think they
>can control usenet from their keyboards. someone asking about changing
>charters and FAQs deserves some poking to see what sticks, right?
Yeah, I've seen it too. This was just an honest inquiry about whether
or not there is any established way to update a groups charter with
the knowledge that alt.* is inherently anarchistic and utterly defiant
of strict control.
>BTW there is no such thing as too much ganja :P
Heh, you might be right about that. ;)
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> Because he thinks he owns Usenet and specifically alt.privacy.spyware.
<SNIP>
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"Sharky"
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: Steve Leyland wrote:
:
:: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
:: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
:: sha...@hellsgates.cor "Sharky"
:: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
::
::: Steve Leyland wrote:
:::
:::: is it just me that smells a netKKKop trying to justify his actions
:::: here?
:::
::: You've been smokin' too much ganja man. I don't netkkkop and have
::: been known to help teach some redheads about the evuls of control
::: freakism. You were there too.
::
:: indeed, mate. I still think they learned a valuable lesson back then,
:: although that froup is almost dead now.
:
: It might have been your taming of their dominatrix. The fantasy of a
: voluptuous, redheaded, bisexual woman barking out orders to her
: minions was smashed when she converted. You knave! ;-)
heh, I merely convinced her that not all trolls are really that bad and
that netKKKopping never ever works. its always nice when old enemies
become friends and I do still speak to her sometimes on ICQ.
in fact its weird man, quite a few victim posters from back then when I
was teh evul froup destructor troll are online friends now.
:
:
::: Apparently people no longer ask questions about
::: group configuration matters in alt.config without being perceived
::: as a netkkkop or a control freak. Pity that.
::
:: I'm always on the defensive for usenet freedom of speech. there's so
:: many netKKKopping arseholes around these days who erroneously think
:: they can control usenet from their keyboards. someone asking about
:: changing charters and FAQs deserves some poking to see what sticks,
:: right?
:
: Yeah, I've seen it too. This was just an honest inquiry about whether
: or not there is any established way to update a groups charter with
: the knowledge that alt.* is inherently anarchistic and utterly defiant
: of strict control.
fair enuff. as I originally said, AFAIK there isn't any way to do that.
which I think is actually a good thing being somewhat anarchistic
myself.
all you can ever do is add to the archived original control message but
it'll be ignored at the bottom after all the lame rmgroups.
:
:: BTW there is no such thing as too much ganja :P
:
: Heh, you might be right about that. ;)
deaths directly attributed to marijuana in recorded history: zero.
I like those odds :D
--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
I've never been an intellectual but I have this look. - Woody Allen
shplink
Hello,
What I think I hear so far is that
a. "Charter" is not [necessarily] the same as an FAQ
b. Either or both may be updated, amended and whatevered ad nauseum, but
since we're in the alt hierarchy, there's nothing "official"
For the benefit of aps regulars whom we've discussed this with:
I am grateful for and comfortable with the feedback we're getting from
the folks at alt.config, and a HUGE thanks to Andy for kick-starting
this discussion!
I don't see anything wrong with continuing as we have, doing our updates
on our FAQ when/as needed, hosting it on a couple of sites and pointing
to it regularly, as well as continuing to post it in the NG biweekly.
The "alt" world is an unmoderated world, so certainly we can not stop
anyone from -for example- posting HJT! logs. However, we can always give
feedback to folks who do, explain why it might be a bad idea, and
caution people to take any advice with a grain of salt: Something we
already do in the FAQ. Having a couple of boilerplate responses pointing
these things out is another thing some of us do, I don't see anything
wrong with that either.
Lastly, I continue like the idea of getting our FAQ included in faqs.org
--
the alt.privacy.spyware FAQ:
http://shplink.com/misc/FAQ.htm
Kadaitcha Man
news:teWdnduRyqnkjjze...@bresnan.com
> SNIPPAROONIUS MAXIMUS
>
> Hello,
> What I think I hear so far is
If you hear words while reading, you need remedial help.
shplink
mouth words.
touche, and all that.
Bronson Foddledig-Pirringhall
> I was the teacher's pet. She couldn't afford a dog.
Aratzio
<rec.photo.dominion.overb...@toxic-tunnel-of-love.org>
transparently proposed:
I WANT MPEGS!
--
Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker - May, 2005
Hammer of Thor - July, 2005
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005
Message-Id: <slrndlk3ae....@dformosa.zeta.org.au>
"But it is not isolated AUK has a massive impact the rest of usenet."
Aratzio
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> transparently
proposed:
<Looks at POS computer currently using for NNTP>
<Goes in search of razorblades>
--
Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker - May, 2005
Hammer of Thor - July, 2005
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005
shplink
> In article <teWdnduRyqnkjjze...@bresnan.com>,
> shp...@removeme.shplink.com says...
>
>>What I think I hear so far is that
>>a. "Charter" is not [necessarily] the same as an FAQ
>>b. Either or both may be updated, amended and whatevered ad nauseum, but
>>since we're in the alt hierarchy, there's nothing "official"
>
>
> participation and develop a charter before they can move from alt. to
> non-alt groups. The group must have a charter and regular members, this
> is how it has been for 20 years - how you move from being an alt to non-
> alt group. Keep in mind that some groups don't want to move out of alt
> status, some do.
>
Yeah, good point. I guess the working assumption is that we intend to
stay in the alt hierarchy, although it's good to know that there's options.
We have a charter, we have regular members, if the consensus is to move
the group onward, I am all for it!
Piaras Panaotis
> It's okay. The confusion is all in my mind.
2Rowdy
made by the entity known as Andy Walker, that requests spam to be sent
to <awa...@nspank.invalid>, and I became inspired.
> [x-posted to alt.config]
Thread is to long for me to read now so my reply will match answers
given.
> I'm looking for advice on the standard procedure for changing a
> group charter in the alt hierarchy.
There is no standard procedure. Worse, a Charter can't be changed,
ever.
The Charter is posted together with the first control. It's stored at
ISC.org.
The first control can't be changed unless you can step back in time
and undo the first control. Never seen that happen though.
What you can do is start a discussion in the group and come up with
some sort of consensus on how the Charter should be.
There is no need of sending a control containing that Charter.
That Charter only has any value if it's posted regularly and is not
subject of discussion.
Some server admins will treat such a charter as being the real
charter.
--
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This posting is optimised for reading with Microsoft Outlook Express
2Rowdy
made by the entity known as Steve Leyland, that requests spam to be
sent to <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid>, and I became
inspired.
> Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
> able to deliver any clue to the following address:
>
rec.photo.dominion.overbearing.overweight.whores@toxic-tunnel-of-love.
org
Er
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Aratzio
transparently proposed:
Okay if I switch to the 98,XP or Linux boxes? Will that help?
--
Pierre Salinger Hook, Line & Sinker - May, 2005
Hammer of Thor - July, 2005
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005
Peter J Ross
wrote in alt.config:
In a word: Yes.
But setting fire to the ME box and banging it against the wall
repeatedly will also produce a noticeable performance improvement.
PJ "Tech Support R Us" R :-)
--
Nemo hibericam exspectat inquisitionem.
alt.usenet.kooks award-winners and FAQ:
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/>
Aratzio
got double secret probation because:
Okay, do you feel better now? This is the XP box.
Peter J Ross
wrote in alt.config:
[begin h4X0r mode]
pwned.
PJR :-)
Brian Mailman
> Excellent advice, as always, Brian.
Not really, I don't think. It's always that, when someone wants to know
how to change a charter.
B/
Brian Mailman
> is it just me that smells a netKKKop trying to justify his actions here?
I smelt a smelt smell third word in on the Subject line.
B/
Aratzio
About that, you do know what that means, right Pedey?
Peter J Ross
wrote in alt.config:
It means that I've got all your pr0n. Next question, AUKtard?
Uni
> Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
> deliver any clue to the following address: a6ah...@sneakemail.com
> "Aratzio"
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> : On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:06:17 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
> : <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
> :
> :: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
> :: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
> :: a6ah...@sneakemail.com "Aratzio"
> :: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
> ::
> ::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:29:54 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
> ::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
> :::
> :::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
> :::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
> :::: pcbu...@seedsv.com "pcbutts1"
> :::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
> ::::
> ::::: Thank you for verifying my post.
> ::::
> :::: please don't top-post in alt.config
> :::
> ::: *cough*kook*cough*
> ::
> :: wot both of 'em or just me?
> :
> : Steve how could you imagine I would not think you a kook. That is a
> : given, this is alt.config.
>
> thanks, man.
You misspelled teenboy.
:-)
Uni
Aratzio
Did not find your gay pr0n then, moron?
ah
Take this to email.
--
ah
Uni
wrote:
2Rowdy
made by the entity known as ah, that requests spam to be sent to
<splif...@gmail.com>, and I became inspired.
Why? Don't you appreciate a good kook fight?
Harold
What/where is the charter for alt.privacy.spyware?
Its news to me that alt groups have "charters". I don't believe that
they do.
This whole thread is nonsense.
The FAQs for aps were first written by John Fitzsimons, an Australian,
who originated the group after having been a regular with news.grc., but
thought the subject of spyware needed wider airing. They have since been
continued and faithfully improved by others.
Charters are usually associated with the "Big eight":
comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*,
rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*
I repeat.
Where is the charter for alt.privacy.spyware rhat people are talking
about..!!!
--
Harold
Default User
wrote:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.privacy.spyware.gz
Charter:
This newsgroup is for discussing news and general information
concerning the software known as spyware that traces (often without
the users permission/knowledge) where people go on the internet and
then sends back the information to a central database for analysis.
Discussion can also include software that monitors
(knowingly/unknowingly) a user's use of a computer.
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden.
Posts must be readable as plain text.
Advertising is forbidden
hth
2Rowdy
<news:43a3264a$0$82663$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>,
made by the entity known as Harold, that requests spam to be sent to
<e9zf...@sneakemail.com>, and I became inspired.
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/alt/alt.privacy.spyware.gz
alt.privacy.spyware software that monitors personal/internet use.
Charter:
This newsgroup is for discussing news and general information
concerning the software known as spyware that traces (often without
the users permission/knowledge) where people go on the internet and
then sends back the information to a central database for analysis.
Discussion can also include software that monitors
(knowingly/unknowingly) a user's use of a computer.
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden.
Posts must be readable as plain text.
Advertising is forbidden
--
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IHUMFA
Brian Mailman
>
> I repeat.
> Where is the charter for alt.privacy.spyware rhat people are talking
> about..!!!
In the charter place, of course. Don't you put your toys away when
you're finished?
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/alt/alt.privacy.spyware.gz
Steve Leyland
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
:
: I agree, not all alt groups make the move or even want too, but that
: was how it was done from the start of the alt group creation. Just
: about anyone could create an ALT group, those where some wild days,
: but to get into the major hierarchy groups you had to prove you were
: a controlled, on-topic, regular group......
and this has changed recently how, exactly?
--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
We have engaged the Borg. The wedding will be Friday.
======================================================================
"My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing."
JG, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
======================================================================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling twat of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
Bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
======================================================================
"I didn't delete any part of your meaningless, pointless, worthless
post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."
Admiral Halsey, alt.sailing.asa
======================================================================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.
And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.
And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."
William Blake.
======================================================================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."
Native American prophecy
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Meow
Steve Leyland
"Uni"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
pedotard tendencies duly noted once again.
:
: :-)
:
: Uni
--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
A tribble a day keeps the Klingons well fed.
Steve Leyland
Ross"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:39:09 GMT, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
I just tried this on a laptop running ME, and it was a vast improvement!
The "OS" (ha!) was almost stable for over 10 minutes, and I only saw 3
BSODs in a 45 minute session.
:
:
: PJ "Tech Support R Us" R :-)
--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
Refuse Novocain... Transcend Dental Medication.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:do0ddt$f92$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
I can't wait to see how lUni edits your reply.
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"As for being a kook - we all kook, some kook better than others. And I
surely kook better than you." - Ilya Shambat on his own sanity.
Steve Leyland
deliver any clue to the following address: a6ah...@sneakemail.com
"Aratzio"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:32:34 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> transparently
: proposed:
:
:: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
:: deliver any clue to the following address:
:: rec.photo.dominion.overb...@toxic-tunnel-of-love.org
:: "nauseous dog ulcer"
:: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
::
::: On or about 15/14/05, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>, the tubby
::: street bum and parasite-infested, dropsical girl scout, wrote in
::: <htt1q19kvo52ahaec...@4ax.com>:
:::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:50:28 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
:::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
::::
::::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
::::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::::: a6ah...@sneakemail.com "Aratzio"
::::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
:::::
:::::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:06:17 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
:::::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
::::::
::::::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
::::::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::::::: a6ah...@sneakemail.com "Aratzio"
::::::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work
::::::: out.
:::::::
:::::::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:29:54 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
:::::::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
::::::::
::::::::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
::::::::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::::::::: pcbu...@seedsv.com "pcbutts1"
::::::::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work
::::::::: out.
:::::::::
:::::::::: Thank you for verifying my post.
:::::::::
::::::::: please don't top-post in alt.config
::::::::
:::::::: *cough*kook*cough*
:::::::
::::::: wot both of 'em or just me?
::::::
:::::: Steve how could you imagine I would not think you a kook. That is a
:::::: given, this is alt.config.
:::::
::::: thanks, man. I'm now happily confident and thoroughly re-assured in
::::: my kookiness.
::::
:::: Just don't show up spamming like Kyle.
::::
::::::
:::::: However, the pcbutts thing is one from the 24hoursupport.helpdesk
:::::: froup and, like bullis from the same froup, a complete retard
:::::: incapable of actually getting anything right. Some of his advice is
:::::: down right hilarious. If I did not know better I'd say he is
:::::: bullis.
::::::
:::::: 24hoursupport.helpdesk is teh froup, added
:::::
::::: oh, that's just plain wrong. bad advice in that 24hoursupport froup
::::: can result in actual real life harm to innocent people's 'puters.
::::
:::: It is more than a little entertaining when they have a tard fight
:::: over who's stupid advice was actually the more harmful. Lucky for
:::: them they have KM to keep things properly oriented towards
:::: solutions. While the K-man's solutions usually include someone
:::: drinking bleach, he is usually correct.
:::
::: And swallowing razorblades.
::
:: sounds fair enuff to me if (for example) some eejit is still trying to
:: run Windows ME.
:
: <Looks at POS computer currently using for NNTP>
wot no Win 2000 Pro?
IMHO teh most stable OS ever to come from messrs. gates & co and will run on
completely shite boxen.
:
: <Goes in search of razorblades>
pleace to be lending some to that scruffy beardo PJR zz top impersonator.
--
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mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: I'd explain it to you, but your brain would
explode.
Peter J Ross
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote in alt.config:
I agree. I've been running Win2k for games^H^H^H^H^Hevaluation
purposes for a few weeks, and I haven't had to reboot it more than
three times in a single day so far.
> : <Goes in search of razorblades>
>
> pleace to be lending some to that scruffy beardo PJR zz top impersonator.
Thanks. When I win the Adam H Kerman Memorial Bow Tie, I'll want it to
be visible.
Brian Mailman
> Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
> deliver any clue to the following address: vo...@nowhere.lan "Leythos"
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> :
> : I agree, not all alt groups make the move or even want too, but that
> : was how it was done from the start of the alt group creation. Just
> : about anyone could create an ALT group, those where some wild days,
> : but to get into the major hierarchy groups you had to prove you were
> : a controlled, on-topic, regular group......
>
> and this has changed recently how, exactly?
>
It does seem to me that the new PTB in news.groups want to move in an
alt.* direction (even though one of them disparages our maigre efforts
but has never read ac).
B/
Andy Walker
>Brian Mailman wrote:
>> tm wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent advice, as always, Brian.
>>
>>
>> Not really, I don't think. It's always that, when someone wants to know
>> how to change a charter.
>>
>
>What/where is the charter for alt.privacy.spyware?
Others have pointed out that it exists at
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/ you can find all the newsgroups
created by sending a newgroup control message to alt.config, whether
they actually appear on your news server or not.
>Its news to me that alt groups have "charters". I don't believe that
>they do.
If the creation message included a charter then they do.
>This whole thread is nonsense.
The thread was started because I wanted to know the procedure for
making changes to charters in the alt hierarchy. The obvious answer is
that they can be whatever the group wants them to be -- there are no
rules.
>The FAQs for aps were first written by John Fitzsimons, an Australian,
>who originated the group after having been a regular with news.grc., but
>thought the subject of spyware needed wider airing. They have since been
>continued and faithfully improved by others.
The hope is that the FAQ will continue to evolve and expand on its
usefulness, and it seems that inclusion of the charter may make it
even more useful.
>Charters are usually associated with the "Big eight":
>
>comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*,
>rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*
They are *always* associated with big8 groups, but are they are also
used in all the other hierarchies. Where a well written charter and
justification could persuade the odd administrator to add a new group
in the 'alt' hierarchy, big8 group creation requirements are so
restrictive that the groups created are usually added to the news
stream automatically.
>I repeat.
>Where is the charter for alt.privacy.spyware rhat people are talking
>about..!!!
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.privacy.spyware.gz
A few great free tools for decoding the above file are:
ZipGenius - decode .gz archive
http://www.zipgenius.it/index_eng.htm
EditPad Lite -- display it properly on windoze puters.
http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadlite.html
Andy Walker
>Hello,
>What I think I hear so far is that
>a. "Charter" is not [necessarily] the same as an FAQ
>b. Either or both may be updated, amended and whatevered ad nauseum, but
>since we're in the alt hierarchy, there's nothing "official"
The consensus of the group with regards to the content of the charter
or FAQ is up to the current participants to decide. That's all that I
was really trying to find out with my OP.
<snip more good assessment of the situation>
>Lastly, I continue like the idea of getting our FAQ included in faqs.org
So do I. I also think that adding the charter to the FAQ may be a good
way to advertise the scope of the group.
Thanks,
Andy
Andy Walker
>Running short on the meds. Had to space the dosage out a bit. Like to
>mouth words.
>touche, and all that.
LMAO!
Andy Walker
>What you can do is start a discussion in the group and come up with
>some sort of consensus on how the Charter should be.
>There is no need of sending a control containing that Charter.
>That Charter only has any value if it's posted regularly and is not
>subject of discussion.
>
>Some server admins will treat such a charter as being the real
>charter.
Thank you for your advice. It seems clear now that each group is free
to create its own rules about its charter and FAQ, and that any
individual is free to agree or disagree with those rules as they see
fit. I wouldn't want it any other way.
William Bagwell
>snips
>Others have pointed out that it exists at
>ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/ you can find all the newsgroups
>created by sending a newgroup control message to alt.config, whether
>they actually appear on your news server or not.
Actually, the archives at isc.org only go back to 1992. Not that it
matters in this case, but many old groups do not have the original
control message archived. Also groups can be created (manually, or by a
non-propagating control message) on a single server and gradually spread
to other servers by user request. Or in rare cases by servers that
auto-add on cross posts.
Just pointing out that it is extremely difficult to give simplistic
answers that are correct in all situations. In alt.* there are almost
always exceptions...
--
William
Brian Mailman
> Leythos wrote:
>>Many groups start as alt. groups and must attain a certain level of
>>participation and develop a charter before they can move from alt. to
>>non-alt groups.
That used to be true, but hasn't been for quite some time.
> The group must have a charter
Not true, and never has been. Many Big 8 groups precede even the
concept of a charter.
B/
Brian Mailman
>
> I don't see either as a main reason for a charter. A charter is used
> to define the basic rules for a group,
No. AGAIN... a charter is not a constitution. It is a founding
document, the vision of the proponent of how s/he believes the group
should operate. That will change over time.
B/
2Rowdy
made by the entity known as Brian Mailman, that requests spam to be
sent to <bmai...@sfo.invalid>, and I became inspired.
Stay closer at home.
I'll cite the Charter of alt.config
<quote AC Charter>
</quote>
--
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Sig is being randomised, pls wait . . . .
Brian Mailman
> I was reading <news:11qbakq...@news.supernews.com>,
> made by the entity known as Brian Mailman, that requests spam to be
> sent to <bmai...@sfo.invalid>, and I became inspired.
>
>> Andy Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>
>>>> Many groups start as alt. groups and must attain a certain level
>>>> of participation and develop a charter before they can move from
>>>> alt. to non-alt groups.
>>
>> That used to be true, but hasn't been for quite some time.
>>
>> > The group must have a charter
>>
>> Not true, and never has been. Many Big 8 groups precede even the
>> concept of a charter.
>
> Stay closer at home.
> I'll cite the Charter of alt.config
> <quote AC Charter>
> </quote>
That didn't take long. Anybody rmgroup'd ac lately?
B/
dvus
Not since we made -= Hawk =- Sergeant-at-Arms and you started providing the
snacks.
2R could do better in the refreshment area, though, he keeps "losing" the
beer.
--
dvus
dvus
> Andy Walker wrote:
>> tm wrote:
>
>>>>> And why would you rather someone not subscribe?
>>>>
>>>> I never said that.
>>>
>>> Who said you did?
>>
>> You did.
>
> When?
Before.
--
dvus
Brian Mailman
> In article <tm-346928.16...@newsflood.tokyo.att.ne.jp>,
> t...@tmoero.invalid says...
>> Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Not really, I've seen many people lose accounts for validated
>> > complaints.
>>
>> Say, what interesting ng do you hang out in?
>
> Why?
Because.
B/
dvus
> In article <11qdmu1...@news.supernews.com>, bmai...@sfo.invalid
> says...
> groups I participate in. With the exception of PCBUTTS1 using my
> NickName, I've posted under the same nick for a LONG time.
Mine's copywrited. (or is that "copywritten"?)
--
dvus
Steve Leyland
"Uni"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
: Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
:
:: "Steve Leyland" <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid>
:: wrote in news:do0ddt$f92$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
::
::
::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::: no.e...@no.email.invalid "Uni"
::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
:::
:::: Steve Leyland wrote:
::::
::::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
::::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::::: a6ah...@sneakemail.com "Aratzio"
::::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work
::::: out.
:::::
:::::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:06:17 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
:::::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
::::::
::::::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't
::::::: able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::::::: a6ah...@sneakemail.com "Aratzio"
::::::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work
::::::: out.
:::::::
:::::::: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:29:54 -0000, "Steve Leyland"
:::::::: <steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
::::::::
::::::::: Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I
::::::::: wasn't able to deliver any clue to the following address:
::::::::: pcbu...@seedsv.com "pcbutts1"
::::::::: This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work
::::::::: out.
:::::::::
:::::::::: Thank you for verifying my post.
:::::::::
::::::::: please don't top-post in alt.config
::::::::
:::::::: *cough*kook*cough*
:::::::
::::::: wot both of 'em or just me?
::::::
:::::: Steve how could you imagine I would not think you a kook. That
:::::: is a given, this is alt.config.
:::::
::::: thanks, man.
::::
:::: You misspelled teenboy.
:::
::: pedotard tendencies duly noted once again.
::
::
:: I can't wait
:
: Why, you going to pee your pants?
ah, you only edited cujo's post and the froupline.
cowardly unitard.
:
: :-)
:
: Uni
--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach
their children to speak it. - George Bernard Shaw
======================================================================
"My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing."
JG, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
======================================================================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling twat of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
Bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
======================================================================
"I didn't delete any part of your meaningless, pointless, worthless
post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
pcbutts1
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/license.htm
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pcbutts1
notice how it is never denied by them they just snip the url, here it is
again. http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/license.htm
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