The truth about right-tard paedophilia fearmongering
Dysperdis
fearmongering that right-tards like so much. Currently, this is one of
the lies they're playing on to defame Kevin Jennings, but the tactic is
far from new. So let me set the record straight (er, so to speak).
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the target is men
(lesbians and bisexual women tend to get ignored) that openly
*identify* as gay or bisexual. Yet, since there is no evidence to
support the claim that gay or bisexual identified men are more likely to
molest kids, the right-tards need to use misleading, out of context
statistics to "prove" their point.
But what does the research actually say?
From Groth and Birnbaum's 1978 study of a random sample of 175 males
convicted of sexual assault against children:
"All regressed offenders, whether their victims were male or female
children, were heterosexual in their adult orientation. There were no
examples of regression to child victims among peer-oriented, homosexual
males. The possibility emerges that homosexuality and homosexual
pedophilia may be mutually exclusive and that the adult heterosexual
male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the
adult homosexual male."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/666571?dopt=Abstract
In other words, *NONE* of the individuals in that study identified as
gay or bisexual. *ALL* of those who had an adult orientation claimed a
*heterosexual identity*. Not looking good for the claims that gay or
bisexual identified individuals are a danger, is it?
From Jenny, Roesler, and Poyer's 1994 study:
"[Of the 269 cases where an adult offender could be identified], two
offenders were identified as being gay or lesbian. In 82% of cases
(222/269), the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close
relative of the child. Using the data from our study, the 95% confidence
limits, of the risk children would identify recognizably homosexual
adults as the potential abuser, are from 0% to 3.1%. These limits are
within current estimates of the prevalence of homosexuality in the
general community."
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/1/41
In other words, *less than 1%* of the child molesters in this study
identified as gay. 82% were in a *heterosexual* relationship with a
relative of the victim.
Other studies in this area deliver similar results. Yet, the right-tards
continue to spread misleading information regarding molestation among
gay and bisexual identified men, misusing data in a manner which should
make anyone with an understanding of proper research methodology cringe.
Simply put, without data connecting a gay or bisexual identification to
child molestation, their claims fall flat. Conflating two different
demographics, as they do, is at best, poor methodology, and at worse,
blatant academic dishonesty.
Further Reading:
http://www.apahelpcenter.org/articles/article.php?id=31
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,002.htm
http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm
--
Society, like water, needs to move and change to remain fresh. To keep
it from doing so is to allow it to become stagnant and malodorous. The
religious right would have us all living in a swamp to assuage their own
fears.
Dysperdis
> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>
>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>
> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>
> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>
Yep, how dare we complain about defamatory lies targeted at us! Why,
next thing you know, we might be expecting to be treated like (gasp!)
human beings!
duke
>I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the fallacious gay/paedophile
>fearmongering that right-tards like so much.
Hey, thank buckwheat for it.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Gandalf Gay" <valin�r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CAC95FD1EBDD4F15P51@localhost...
> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>
>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>
> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>
> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the rest of
the community and there will be no whining, for instance let them serve
openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and give them the same
rights as married folks have and then there will be no more whining.
It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
RamRod Sword of Baal
Alex DeLarge
Gay adoption oppresses children and makes them the target of peer ridicule.
Stop oppressing children, faggot.
Montgomery Ward
> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>
>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>
>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>>
>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>
>
> Yep, how dare we complain about defamatory lies targeted at us! Why,
> next thing you know, we might be expecting to be treated like (gasp!)
> human beings!
>
Montgomery Ward
>
The have mental health issues. They need therapy and should only be
given the same rights as everyone else, not special rights for insanity.
They made a choice, they can live with it.
Dionisio
> The have mental health issues. They need therapy and should only be
> given the same rights as everyone else, not special rights for insanity.
> They made a choice, they can live with it.
Okay. Thy firstest mistakepoo was posting in a.p.h.
Second was naming yer sweet self after a bankrupt corporation.
Your third "oopsie" was a compounded idiocy: For verily doth the Histories show that the
company of Ward with Montgomery -- neither of them women, mind -- wast known for it's
avant guarde lack of fashion. (1st Liberaci: Chapter 1, verse 3)
The making of gross grammar mistakeypoos was just icing on the cake. And that invites
comments of a nature regarding your overall suckage.
(And remember, this is a.p.h.)
Further -- and I could go on, but 'tis time for my beauty sleep -- your "cut-and-paste"
reply was so 'original...' I swear that I saw it on the discount rack in 1985.
Though, to be fair, it's not like your lame posterior had a <clears throat> choice or
something.
You didn't/don't/won't have a choice.
Moronity is genetic.
(I.E.: "Hetero-genic abnormalities.")
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back.
--Piet Hein
(Brought to you by SigChanger.)
Montgomery Ward
> Montgomery Ward wrote:
>
>> The have mental health issues. They need therapy and should only be
>> given the same rights as everyone else, not special rights for
>> insanity. They made a choice, they can live with it.
>
> Okay. Thy firstest mistakepoo was posting in a.p.h.
>
> Second was naming yer sweet self after a bankrupt corporation.
>
> Your third "oopsie" was a compounded idiocy: For verily doth the
> Histories show that the company of Ward with Montgomery -- neither of
> them women, mind -- wast known for it's avant guarde lack of fashion.
> (1st Liberaci: Chapter 1, verse 3)
Oh my! I'll jutht thcratch my out of thtyle clothes right off!!!!
>
> The making of gross grammar mistakeypoos was just icing on the cake. And
> that invites comments of a nature regarding your overall suckage.
>
> (And remember, this is a.p.h.)
>
> Further -- and I could go on, but 'tis time for my beauty sleep -- your
> "cut-and-paste" reply was so 'original...' I swear that I saw it on the
> discount rack in 1985.
Oh, my!! I could jutht thcream.
>
> Though, to be fair, it's not like your lame posterior had a <clears
> throat> choice or something.
>
> You didn't/don't/won't have a choice.
>
> Moronity is genetic.
>
> (I.E.: "Hetero-genic abnormalities.")
>
Oh, you big homo you. You have thliced me to the bone. Heeeee Heeeeee.
No_He_Can_Not
queerness. anyone caught showing they are queer in public should be
shot. queers are bringing the country down . all great societies that
fell allowed for queers to run amuck along with invaders from third
world shit holes.
No_He_Can_Not
foot in the WH.
no not just because he is black. he is also a fucking socialist.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
news:hbqn24$kbv$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
I never mentioned children.
However the problem is that bigots teach their children to hate, so the
obvious answer is to teach these kids of bigots to love not hate, and we
have no problem.
It seems that this problem of hate is being address in some schools and the
bigots are screaming blue murder about it.
We are lucky that the bigots are a dying race.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"No_He_Can_Not" <nohec...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:xoudncM0vfIRKXzX...@giganews.com...
You run amok with your mouth.
Let us look at say the Roman empire, it fell after the Christians came into
power.
Alexander the Great (A homosexual) ruled a huge lot of the world, it fell
apart after he died.
Bigots should be put in an institution and reprogrammed.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Montgomery Ward" <Sa...@Mexico.mx> wrote in message
news:DC7Em.62729$Ku5....@newsfe04.iad...
You are entitled to your opinion, however it is not shared by the medical
professions of the leading western countries of the world.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Gandalf Gay" <valin�r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CACA13E134A64F15P51@localhost...> news:7H4Em.371$U55...@newsfe02.iad:
>
>> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>
>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>
>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate
>>> queers.
>>>
>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>>
>>
>> Yep, how dare we complain about defamatory lies targeted at us! Why,
>> next thing you know, we might be expecting to be treated like (gasp!)
>> human beings!
>>
>
------------------------------
It is interesting to note what great homoseuals and bisexual there are and
have been in this world.
A partial list will follow.
It is also noted how few if any 'great bigots' can be found, unless they are
listed as being hate filled, stupid, idiots, fools, and generally scorned.
Partial list of great bi-sexual and Gay persons.
Czar Alexander I
(December 23, 1777 - December 1, 1825)
Emperor of Russia from 1801 - 1825. He was born in St. Petersburg. He was
crowned on September 15, 1801 in the Dormition Cathedral in the Moscow
Kremlin.
Alexander the Great/ Alexander de Grote
(September 20, 365 BC - June 13, 323 BC)
King of Macedonia, who conquered part of Asia.
Peter Allen
(February 10, 1944 - June 18, 1992)
Australian singer/songwriter/pianist, born as Peter Woolnough in
Tenterfield, New South Wales
Hans Christian Andersen
(April 2 1805 - August 4, 1875)
Danish storyteller and playwright, born in Odense.
James Baldwin
(August 2, 1924 - November 30, 1987)
American author, playwright and Civil Rights activist, born as James Arthur
Baldwin in Harlem,
Clive Barker
(October 5, 1952)
British writer, actor, playwright and film producer and director. He was
born in Liverpool and studied English literature and philosophy at Liverpool
University.
Leonard Bernstein
(August 25, 1918 - October 14, 1990)
American bisexual composer, pianist and conductor, born in Lawrence,
Massachusetts
Dirk Bogarde
(March 28, 1921 - May 8, 1999)
British actor and writer, born in Hampstead, England. Real name: Dirk Niven
van den Bogaerde
Bob Brown
(December 27, 1944)
Australian unofficial leader of the Australian Greens and the first openly
gay member of the Parliament of Australia. He was born in Oberon, New South
Wales, as Robert James Brown.
James Buchanan
(April 23, 1791 - June 1, 1868)
American president from 1857 to 1861, born near Mercersburg, Pennsylvania
Truman Capote
(September 30, 1924 - August 25, 1984)
American writer, playwright and journalist, whose original name is Truman
Streckfus Persons. He was born in New Orleans.
Julian Clary
(May 25, 1959)
British comedian and actor, born in Surbiton, Surrey. He studied drama at
Golsmith's College
Montgomery Clift
(October 17, 1920 - July 23, 1966)
American actor, born in Omaha, Nebraska.
No�l Coward
(December 16, 1899 - March 26, 1973)
British actor, director, playwright and composer, born in Teddington,
Middlesex as No�l Peirce Coward
James Dean
(February 8, 1931 - September 30, 1955)
American bisexual actor, born in Marion, Indiana, as James Byron Dean.
Lord Alfred Douglas
(October 22, 1870 - March 20, 1945)
British writer and poet and lover of Oscar Wilde. Bosie, as he was known to
his friends.
Don Dunstan
(September 21, 1926-February 6, 1999)
Premier of South Australia.
Awarded Companion of the Order of Australia June 1979.
Chairman, Victorian Tourist Commission 1982 - 1987
National President, Freedom From Hunger Campaign 1982 - 1987
Chairman, Nelson Mandela Foundation 1987 - 1993
President, Movement for Democracy in Fiji from 1987
Chairman, Jam Factory Craft and Design Centre 1990 - 1994
National Chairman, Community Aid Abroad 1992 - 1993
Adjunct Professor, Department of Social Enquiry, The University of Adelaide
1997.
Brian Epstein
(September 19, 1934 - August 27, 1967)
British manager of the Beatles, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Billy J. Kramer
and the Dakotas and Cilla Black. He was born in Liverpool as Brian Samuel
Epstein
Kenny Everett
(December 25, 1944 - April 4, 1995)
British DJ and comedian, born in Liverpool as Maurice James Christopher
Cole.
Rupert Everett
(May 29, 1959)
British actor, model and writer born in Norfolk, England.
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
(May 31, 1945 - June 10, 1982)
German film-, TV- and theatre director, playwright, composer, cameraman and
actor, born in Bad Worishofen.
Harvey Fierstein
(June 6, 1954)
American actor, writer and playwright, born in Brooklyn, New York as Harvey
Forbes Fierstein. He a.o. wrote the play 'Torch Song Trilogy' (which was
later made into a movie) and the musical version of 'La cage aux folles'
Siegfried Fischbacher
(June 13, 1939)
German magician and animal trainer, who together with his partner Roy Horn
have their own shows in Las Vegas as 'Siegfried & Roy'
E.M. Forster
(January 1, 1879 - June 7, 1970)
British writer, born in London as Edward Morgan Forster. He attented
Tonbridge in Kent and King's College, Cambridge. A few of his books were
made into films
Stephen C. Foster
(July 4, 1826 - January 13, 1864)
American composer/songwriter. Stephen Collins Foster was born in
Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania.
George Gershwin
(September 26, 1898 - July 11, 1937)
American composer, born to immigrant parents of Russian-Jewish descent in
Brooklyn, New York. He wrote several evergreens together with lyricist
brother Ira. His real name was Jacob Gershovitz.
Sir John Gielgud
(April 14, 1904 - May 21, 2000)
British actor, writer and theatre director, born in London as Arthur John
Gielgud. In 1981 he won an Oscar for his role as butler in 'Arthur'
King Gustav V
(June 16, 1858 - October 19, 1950)
Swedish King, born in Drottningholm as Oscar Gustav Adolphus Bernadotte. He
was King of Sweden from 1907 to 1950
Hadrian / Hadrianus
(January 24, 76 AD - July 10, 138 AD)
Roman emperor, who was born in Italica, Spain. His full name was Publius
Aelius Hadrianus
Lorenz Hart
(May 1, 1895 - November 22, 1943)
American lyricist to composer Richard Rodgers, born in New York City as
Lorenz Milton
Sir Nigel Hawthorne
(April 5, 1929 - December 26, 2001)
British actor and director, born as Nigel Barnard Hawthorne in Coventry.
Henri III /Hendrik III
(September 19, 1551 - August 2, 1589)
King of France from 1574 to 1589.
Rico Hoffman
(November 26, 1979)
German singer and member of the German gay popgroup 'Marilyn's boys', who
was born in Mannheim.
John Edgar Hoover
(January 1, 1895 - May 2, 1972)
American head of the FBI, born in Washington, DC. He studied law at George
Washington University and graduated in 1917.
Roy Horn
(October 3, 1944)
German magician and animal trainer, who performs together with his partner
Siegfried Fischbacher as 'Siegfried & Roy' in Las Vegas. Horn was born in
Nordenham as Roy Uwe Ludwig Horn.
Frankie Howerd
(March 6, 1917 - April 19, 1992)
British comedian and actor, born in York as Francis Alick Howerd.
Rock Hudson
(November 17, 1925 - October 2, 1985)
American actor, whose real name was Roy Harold Scherer Jr. Hudson was born
in Winnetka, Illinois
Christopher Isherwood
(August 26, 1904 - January 4, 1986)
British writer and playwright, whose full name was Christopher William
Bradshaw Isherwood. Isherwood was born in Disley, Cheshire. He studied at
Cambridge. In 1929 he went to Berlin, where he stayed for four years. The
musical 'Cabaret' is inspired on his book 'Goodbye to Berlin'. In 1946 he
became an American citizen
Elton John
(March 25, 1947)
British pop singer and composer, born in Pinner, Middlesex, England as
Reginald Kenneth Dwight. He began his career writing songs together with
lyricist Bernie Taupin. He was the first artist to enter the American Charts
with an album at no. 1 and he was the first Rock artist to tour the USSR (in
1979). In 1984 he married Renate Blauel and the marriage lasted 5 years. His
tribute to princess Diana 'Candle in the wind' is the best selling single of
all times (33 million).Together with lyricist Tim Rice, Elton John has
written the lyrics and music for the musicals 'Aida' and 'The Lion King' and
the movie 'The Road to Eldorado'.
Mychal (Michael) Judge
(May 11, 1933 - September 11, 2001)
American chaplain of the New York City Fire Department, born in Brooklyn,
New York. Judge perished when he administered last rites near the scene of
the terrorists attack at the World Trade Center.
Michael Kirby
Member of Australian High court
President of the New South Wales Court of Appeal, having been appointed to
that office in September 1984 until 1996
Leonardo da Vinci
(1452- may 2 1519)
Italian painter, sculptor and architect. Maker of the 'Mona Lisa'.
Frederick (Fritz) Loewe
(June 10, 1901 - February 14, 1988)
American composer, born in Berlin, Germany. In 1925 he went to the USA and
in New York he met lyricist Alan Jay Lerner, with whom he later created many
musicals
Ludwig II
(August 25, 1845 - June 13, 1886)
Bavarian king from 1864 till 1886. He was born in Nymphenburg Castle in
Munich as son to Crown Prince Maximilian and Princess Marie of Prussia
Armistead Maupin
(May 13, 1944)
American writer, born in Washington, D.C., who wrote 'Tales of the city'
series. The first three books (Tales of the city, More tales of the city and
Further tales of the city) were filmed for television with a.o. Olympia
Dukakis.
Sir Ian Murray McKellen
(May 5, 1939)
British actor, born in Burnley, England. He was nominated for an Oscar for
his role in "Gods and Monsters".
Freddie Mercury
(September 5, 1946 - 24 November 1991)
British popstar, born in Zanzibar, Tanzania, as Faroukh Bulsara. His family
moved to India in 1947. In 1963 they moved to England. Mercury was
leadsinger of the popgroup Queen and he also did some solo recordings
George Michael
(June 25, 1963)
British singer and songwriter, whose real name is Georgios Kyriacos
Panayiotou. He was born in London and started his singing career together
with Andrew Ridgeley in the popgroup Wham!.
Michelangelo (Bounarotti)
(March 6, 1475 - February 18, 1564)
Italian sculptor, painter, architect and poet, born in Florence. Well known
for the statue of David (1504).
Sal Mineo
(January 10, 1939 - February 12, 1976)
American actor, director and singer, born in Harlem, New York as Salvatore
Mineo Jr
Sir Isaac Newton
(December 25, 1642 - March 20, 1727)
British mathematician, scientist, and alchemist, born in Colsterworth,
Lincolnshire.
Rudolf Noerejev (also written as Nureyev)
(March 17, 1938 - January 6, 1993)
Russian ballet dancer and actor, born in Irkutsk, USSR. He danced with the
Kirov ballet group, when he defected in Paris in 1961. He went to London and
danced with the British ballet.
Ram�n Novarro
(February 6, 1899 - October 30, 1968)
Mexican actor, born as Jos� Ram�n Gil Samaniegos in Durango
Ivor Novello
(January 15, 1893 - March 6, 1951)
British actor, playwright and composer, born in Cardiff as David Ivor
Davies. Novello also wrote under the names David L'Estrange and H.E.S.
Davidson.
Anthony Perkins
April 4, 1932 - September 12, 1992)
American actor. Had his greatest success with his role as Norman Bates in
Alfred Hitchcock's 'Psycho'.
Plato
(428-347 B.C.)
Greek philosopher, born in Athens.
Cole Porter
(June 9, 1893 - October 15, 1964)
American composer, who wrote evergreens like 'Love for sale' and 'I get a
kick out of you'. He was born in Peru, Indiana. He composed his first song
when he was 10 years old
Ian Roberts
(July 31, 1965)
British actor and former rugby player, born in London, England. Played as an
Australian Rugby League International. He was the first player to openly
declare his homosexuality in 1994
Reverend V. Gene Robinson
(May 29, 1947)
American bishop of New Hampshire, born in Lexington, Kentucky . He was, in
2003, the first openly gay man in the Episcopal Church to be elected as a
bishop.
Yves Saint Laurent
(August 1, 1936)
French fashion designer, born in Oran, Algeria, as Yves Henri Donat Mathieu
Saint Laurent. In 1954 he moved to Paris to study at the Ecole de la Chambre
Syndicale. In Paris he was hired by Christian Dior
Jerry Smith
(1943 - October 1986)
American football player who played with the Washington Redskins from
1965-1977.
Socrates
(469-399 BC)
Greek philosopher.
William Somerset Maugham
(January 25, 1874 - December 16, 1965)
British writer and playwright, born in Paris, France. At the age of 10
Maugham was orphaned and sent to England to live with his uncle. He received
his education at King's School, Canterbury, Heildelberg University in
Germany and St. Thomas Hospital, London.
Peter Iljits Tsjaikowsky (also written as Tchaikovsky or Tchaikovski)
(May 7, 1840 - November 6, 1893)
Russian composer, born in Kamsko-Votkinsk.
Alan M. Turing
(June 23, 1912 - June 7, 1954)
British Mathematician, philisopher anf founder of computer-science. Alan
Mathison Turing was born in Paddington, London.
Gore Vidal
(October 3, 1925)
American writer and playwright, born as Eugene Luther Gore Vidal Jr. in West
Point, New York.
Andy Warhol
(August 6, 1927 - February 23, 1987)
American artist/painter/filmmaker/society figure, born in Forest City,
Pennsylvania as Andrew Warhola jr
Mark Welsh
American triathlete and founder and member of Team Flame, a team of openly
gay professional athletes. Mark studied at Purdue University in Indiana.
Oscar Wilde
(October 16, 1854 - November 30, 1900)
Irish writer and playwright, born as Oscar Fingal O'Flaherty Wills Wilde.
Kenneth Williams
(february 2, 1926 - april 15, 1988)
British actor, comedian and writer. He was born in London as Kenneth Charles
Williams.
Tennessee Williams
(march 26, 1911 - february 25, 1983)
American playwright, born in Columbus, Mississippi as Thomas Lanier Williams
RamRod Sword of Baal
>
>> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>
>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>
>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate
>>> queers.
>>>
>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>>
>>
>> Yep, how dare we complain about defamatory lies targeted at us! Why,
>> next thing you know, we might be expecting to be treated like (gasp!)
>> human beings!
>>
>
------------------------------
It is interesting to note what great homoseuals and bisexual there are and
have been in this world.
A partial list of world renown will follow.
It is also noted how few if any 'great bigots' can be found, unless they are
listed as being hate filled, stupid, idiots, fools, and generally scorned
and limited to their own region or area.
Partial list of great bi-sexual and Gay persons of world renown.
Alex DeLarge
>
> "Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
> news:hbqn24$kbv$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gandalf Gay" <valin�r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9CAC95FD1EBDD4F15P51@localhost...
>>>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>>
>>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>>>>
>>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the
>>> rest of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let
>>> them serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and
>>> give them the same rights as married folks have and then there will
>>> be no more whining.
>>>
>>> It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
>>
>> Gay adoption oppresses children and makes them the target of peer
>> ridicule.
>>
>> Stop oppressing children, faggot.
>
>
> I never mentioned children.
>
> However the problem is that bigots teach their children to hate,
All normal heterosexuals are appalled by faggotry.
No teaching is necessary, faggot.
Alex DeLarge
> You run amok with your mouth.
Yours needs to be kicked in.
Alex DeLarge
>
> "Montgomery Ward" <Sa...@Mexico.mx> wrote in message
> news:DC7Em.62729$Ku5....@newsfe04.iad...
>> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gandalf Gay" <valin�r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9CAC95FD1EBDD4F15P51@localhost...
>>>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>>
>>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>>>>
>>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the
>>> rest of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let
>>> them serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and
>>> give them the same rights as married folks have and then there will
>>> be no more whining.
>>>
>>> It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
>>
>> The have mental health issues. They need therapy and should only be
>> given the same rights as everyone else, not special rights for
>> insanity. They made a choice, they can live with it.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion,
You are entitled to eat shit and die.
Alex DeLarge
>
>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>> news:7H4Em.371$U55...@newsfe02.iad:
>>
>>> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>>>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>>
>>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate
>>>> queers.
>>>>
>>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, how dare we complain about defamatory lies targeted at us! Why,
>>> next thing you know, we might be expecting to be treated like (gasp!)
>>> human beings!
>>>
>>
>> You got to be human first in order to be treated like a human.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> It is interesting to note what great homoseuals and bisexual there are
> and have been in this world.
It is always relevant to note people who succeed in spite of their
handicaps.
Alex DeLarge
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>
>> You run amok with your mouth.
>
> Yours needs to be kicked in.
Because I tell the truth that you cannot refute?
Like the Roman Empire fell after the Christians came to power?
Bigots and truth are like oil and water.
Alex DeLarge
>
> "Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
> news:hbsqgf$unf$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>>
>>> You run amok with your mouth.
>>
>> Yours needs to be kicked in.
>
>
> Because I tell the truth
There is no truth in you, just whiney fag paranoia.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
Please post more we like to see how the terminally stupid express
themselves...........
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
Funny I have never seen bigots like you succeed.
I suppose it is your low IQ
Phxbrd
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
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Many of whom are faggots and most others are afraid of lawsuits.
Browndickers are sick puppies.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
> RamRod Sword of Baal is a faggot spammer.
No, I show the truth, and it is noted that in any of your last few messages,
you have not been able to refute any of the truths I have posted, only sent
twaddle.
Want to try and post a list of 'great bigots', or are you going to simply
flap your gums as usual?
Here again are some world renown Gay or Bi-sexual.
No�l Coward
(December 16, 1899 - March 26, 1973)
British actor, director, playwright and composer, born in Teddington,
Middlesex as No�l Peirce Coward
Don Dunstan
Premier of South Australia.
Ram�n Novarro
(February 6, 1899 - October 30, 1968)
Mexican actor, born as Jos� Ram�n Gil Samaniegos in Durango
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
The truth....
The Prop 8 in California showed that statement to be false, despite all the
might of various churches and the whole of the bigot brigade plus spending
over 43 million dollars they only managed to scrape through by just over 2%.
> No teaching is necessary, faggot.
There is and it is happening.
So take that in your pipe and smoke it.
Alex DeLarge
Gladly.
Alex DeLarge
Inspiring!
Alex DeLarge
>
> news:hbsqk0$unf$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> RamRod Sword of Baal is a faggot spammer.
>
>
>
> No,
Yes.
Alex DeLarge
Why yes.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So 4% of the population are over represented in the medical profession? I do
not think so.
Like to look at China then?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81415&page=1&page=1
{In China, being gay will no longer be equated with being crazy - at least
according to the psychiatrists.
New guidelines announced by Chinese Psychiatric Association will no longer
classify homosexuality as a pathological condition, The Los Angeles Times
reported.
The new standards, to be issued next month, say homosexual behavior is not
to be considered abnormal.}
====================
> Browndickers are sick puppies.
Does that include the majority of persons that indulge in anal sex?
The Heterosexuals ??????????
Alex DeLarge
>> Browndickers are sick puppies.
>
>
> Does that include the majority of persons that indulge in anal sex?
>
> The Heterosexuals ??????????
Of course, why not?
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
The truth is something you cannot handle, as it contradicts your brainwashed
bigotry
Phxbrd
>
> "Gandalf Gay" <valin�r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>> news:7H4Em.371$U55...@newsfe02.iad:
>>
>>> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>>>> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysp...@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>>
>>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate
>>>> queers.
>>>>
>>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, how dare we complain about defamatory lies targeted at us! Why,
>>> next thing you know, we might be expecting to be treated like (gasp!)
>>> human beings!
>>>
>>
>> You got to be human first in order to be treated like a human.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> It is interesting to note what great homoseuals and bisexual there are and
> have been in this world.
>
> A partial list of world renown will follow.
What's your point? Faggots have always represented somewhere between one
and two percent of the human race. Most of them were simply euthanized
until recent years when its been considered politically incorrect. The
smarter ones sought therapy, and still do.
Now give us a list of the famous heterosexuals throughout history. We'll
wait.
Alex DeLarge
Agreed.
RamRod Sword of Baal
So you approve of murder do you?
> The smarter ones sought therapy, and still do.
Twaddle, only in your bigotted mind
>
> Now give us a list of the famous heterosexuals throughout history. We'll
> wait.
After you list the 'famous bigots' of the world
Phxbrd
What does 4% have to do with anything here? Faggots are no more half that
percentage of our population.
>
> Like to look at China then?
No, I'm not Chinese, and I doubt you are, either.
>
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81415&page=1&page=1
>
> {In China, being gay will no longer be equated with being crazy - at least
> according to the psychiatrists.
The key phrase there was "no longer". I guess that means that for 10,000
years or so, being a faggot WAS a sign of crazy.
BTW, stop hiding behind the innocuous word "gay". That's a filthy
perversion of a word meaning happy. Most of you faggots are miserable and
would become straight in a minute if you hadn't been told it's impossible.
>
> New guidelines announced by Chinese Psychiatric Association will no longer
> classify homosexuality as a pathological condition, The Los Angeles Times
> reported.
>
> The new standards, to be issued next month, say homosexual behavior is not
> to be considered abnormal.}
Who GAF? All kinds of nasty perverts will swear their filthy proclivities
are perfectly normal.
See NAMBLA
>
>
> ====================
>
>
>> Browndickers are sick puppies.
>
>
> Does that include the majority of persons that indulge in anal sex?
>
> The Heterosexuals ??????????
A brown dick is a brown dick.
No_He_Can_Not
to see there just follow the trail from obama on to his safe school fag
czar. it leads straight to NAMBLA
Phxbrd
How is your bigotry any better than anyone else's bigotry? Do you even know
the meaning of the word?
While you're at it, tell us how our abhorrence of your filthy acts can be
construed as a phobia. I suspect that's one more word you don't understand.
Phxbrd
Did I say so?
>
>> The smarter ones sought therapy, and still do.
>
> Twaddle, only in your bigotted mind
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=therapy+for+homosexuals&fr=yfp-t-101&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
>
>
>>
>> Now give us a list of the famous heterosexuals throughout history. We'll
>> wait.
>
>
> After you list the 'famous bigots' of the world
In hopes that you might be interested in learning the definition of a word
you carelessly throw around so freely, I offer the following for your
edification:
"Main Entry: big�ot
Pronunciation: \'bi-g?t\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions
and prejudices"
Doesn't that fit you to a T?
Dysperdis
Ah, yes, "therapy" with a failure rate of 96% and up- thanks, but if I
wanted to throw money away, there's easier ways of going about it.
--
Society, like water, needs to move and change to remain fresh. To keep
it from doing so is to allow it to become stagnant and malodorous. The
religious right would have us all living in a swamp to assuage their own
fears.
Democrat Pedophile Party
"Dysperdis" <dysp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8KqEm.10795$MZ1....@newsfe11.iad...
Bullets are efficient, cheap and a permanent solution.
Queer pedophiles are considered expendable.
Phxbrd
How do you account for the actual success rates?
No_He_Can_Not
Dionisio
> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>> You run amok with your mouth.
>
> Yours needs to be kicked in.
Not "man" enough to do it yourself?
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
Hershey's Hickeys -- when Kisses just aren't enough.
(Brought to you by SigChanger.)
No_He_Can_Not
> Alex DeLarge wrote:
>
>> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>>> You run amok with your mouth.
>>
>> Yours needs to be kicked in.
>
> Not "man" enough to do it yourself?
>
>
Dysperdis
Hmm... bisexuality? Dishonesty? Confusion? Denial?
One study of those who had undergone ex-gay therapy found that 8 of the
202 participants reported that they were heterosexual at the end. 7 of
those were employed by groups like Exodus, and to admit otherwise would
place their jobs at risk.
Shidlo, A., & Schroeder, M. (2002) Changing Sexual Orientation: A
Consumers' Report. Professional Psychology: Research & Practice, 33(3),
p249 (11 pgs)
Several former Exodus leaders have come out as gay, including two of the
founders who left their wives to be together.
http://www.beyondexgay.com/article/apology
"Statement of Apology from Former Exodus Leaders
Darlene Bogle, Michael Bussee, and Jeremy Marks
June 27, 2007
As former leaders of ex-gay ministries, we apologize to those
individuals and families who believed our message that there is
something inherently wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or
transgender. Some who heard our message were compelled to try to change
an integral part of themselves, bringing harm to themselves and their
families. Although we acted in good faith, we have since witnessed the
isolation, shame, fear, and loss of faith that this message creates. We
apologize for our part in the message of broken truth we spoke on behalf
of Exodus and other organizations.
We call on other former ex-gay leaders to join the healing and
reconciliation process by adding their names to this apology.
We encourage current leaders of ex-gay programs to have the courage to
evaluate the fruit of their programs. We ask them to consider the
long-term effects of their ministry.
Alex DeLarge
> Alex DeLarge wrote:
>
>> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>>> You run amok with your mouth.
>>
>> Yours needs to be kicked in.
>
> Not "man" enough to do it yourself?
>
>
Alex DeLarge
I'm having the Jamaican stuff.
Dionisio
That'd be fine. Just so long as it isn't Palin. (No doubt she thinks she has an ale named
after her... (And I'm just keeping things topical for the Alaska group.))
Personally, I think you'll find that we are each in agreement that we *don't* want to play
nice with each other. Also, neither trusts the other drunk; I think you'll find that too.
Who knew?
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"In the SS, today, we still have about one case of homosexuality a month. In a whole year,
about eight to ten cases occur in the entire SS. I have now decided upon the following: In
each case, these people will naturally be publicly degraded, expelled, and handed over to
the courts. Following completion of the punishment imposed by the courts, they will be
sent, by my order, to a concentration camp, and they will be shot in the concentration
camp, while attempting to escape."
-- Heinrich Himmler, 18 February 1937
Dionisio
> No_He_Can_Not wrote:
>> you two need to play nice or you will be a guest at obama's for a beer
>
> I'm having the Jamaican stuff.
Hmm... I could see sitting across from him for some Blue Mountain coffee...
As long as it's not decaff.
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
I think any man in business would be foolish to fool around with his secretary. If it's
somebody else's secretary, fine!
--Barry Goldwater
Alex DeLarge
Alex DeLarge
Dionisio
> Dionisio is a spaniel-felching faggot.
Wow.
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
I am a homosexual and I have an agenda. To wit;
To live my life with dignity.
To be free of oppression.
To care for my mate. (23 years now in my case)
To be able to earn an honest living.
To be a good citizen.
To care for my fellow human beings.
To make a positive contribution to my community.
To partake of equal opportunity.
To be free to express my views.
And all I ask is that I am allowed to do these things.
Seems there is a contingent in our society that is so afraid that if I am allowed to do
these things, they will lose their very souls...
-- Alie...@cybergate.com (Dustin Hood), 24 Jul 1995
RamRod Sword of Baal
Prove it.
>> Like to look at China then?
>
> No, I'm not Chinese, and I doubt you are, either.
You do not know what I am.
>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81415&page=1&page=1
>>
>> {In China, being gay will no longer be equated with being crazy - at
>> least according to the psychiatrists.
>
>
> The key phrase there was "no longer". I guess that means that for 10,000
> years or so, being a faggot WAS a sign of crazy.
Prove it.
> BTW, stop hiding behind the innocuous word "gay". That's a filthy
> perversion of a word meaning happy. Most of you faggots are miserable and
> would become straight in a minute if you hadn't been told it's impossible.
Lots of your mouth flapping, but nothing of any substance
>> New guidelines announced by Chinese Psychiatric Association will no
>> longer classify homosexuality as a pathological condition, The Los
>> Angeles Times reported.
>>
>> The new standards, to be issued next month, say homosexual behavior is
>> not to be considered abnormal.}
>
> Who GAF? All kinds of nasty perverts will swear their filthy proclivities
> are perfectly normal.
In this case it seems most of the Western worlds leading medical people say
Gay sex is perfectly normal and you are in a very small minority, trying to
say it is not.
> See NAMBLA
They too are entitled to their opinion, although, most of us do not agree
with it, myself included.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
> RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RamRod Sword of Baal is a faggot spammer.
>>
>>
>>
>> No,
>
> Yes.
An opinion held by a stupid minority.
RamRod Sword of Baal
>> The truth is something you cannot handle, as it contradicts your
>> brainwashed bigotry
>
> How is your bigotry any better than anyone else's bigotry? Do you even
> know the meaning of the word?
Ohy yes, I know the meaning of the word, and you fit perfectly.
> While you're at it, tell us how our abhorrence of your filthy acts can be
> construed as a phobia. I suspect that's one more word you don't
> understand.
This proves that you are a bigot, you mention "My filthy sex acts" and yet I
do not say what I do with anyone sexually, and you do not know me, yet your
tiny bigoted mind has dreamed up perversions.
Yep a true bigot and you have proved it with your own words.
RamRod Sword of Baal
Nope, bit it certainly fits you.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Democrat Pedophile Party" <pelosi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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A lot cheaper and better to reprogram the bigots, into loving people.
RamRod Sword of Baal
RamRod Sword of Baal
You call 4% a success rate What a laugh
Of that 4% one has to wonder how many are sneaking around having gay sex
without telling their 'Christian' friends..........
RamRod Sword of Baal
"No_He_Can_Not" <nohec...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:RL6dnQNeTJU53H_X...@giganews.com...
> pussy is amazing stuff. it has even been known turn queers straight.
It, and lack of it has turned so many hets quite stupid.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Alex DeLarge" <kor...@milk.bar> wrote in message
Currently drinking Barbados rum, as Jamaica is such a bigoted country and I
cannot support it by drinking their rum.
Phxbrd
"Study: Ex-gay ministry has 53 percent success rate
Posted on Aug 10, 2009 | by Michael Foust
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--In findings that directly contradict mainstream
academic thought, 53 percent of subjects in a new seven-year study reported
successfully leaving homosexuality and living happily as heterosexual or
celibate persons."
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=31045
How does it feel to be proven a black mouthed liar?
Dysperdis
> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
> news:5G2Fm.49894$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> "Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7keto2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Dysperdis" <dysp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8KqEm.10795$MZ1....@newsfe11.iad...
>>>> Phxbrd wrote:
>>>>> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:monEm.49524$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>> "Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7keclkF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:rXlEm.49509$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
You mean the 72-participant study which classified individuals who
reported same-sex attraction at the end as "successes," including those
who considered themselves primarily homosexual at the end? The one that
keeps getting touted as "peer reviewed" despite the fact that it wasn't?
Would that be the study you're speaking of?
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/08/3750/
"Of the remaining 72 only 11 reported �satisfactory, if not
uncomplicated, heterosexual adjustment.� (direct quote). Some of these
11 remained primarily homosexual in attraction or, at best, bisexual,
but were satisfied that they were just slightly more attracted to the
opposite sex, or slightly less attracted to the same sex."
"Dozens of participants experienced no lessening of same-sex attraction
and no increase in opposite-sex attraction, but were classified as
�success� stories by Jones and Yarhouse simply because they maintained
celibacy � something many conservative gay people already do."
Yarhouse himself said that change isn't necessarily an option:
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4247/
"At a Sept. 25 symposium at Regent, Yarhouse said � according to The
Virginian-Pilot � that while same-sex attraction may be changeable in
some individuals, not everyone can change.
�For me, in my own practice, I would not focus on change of
orientation,� said Yarhouse, a psychologist and counselor who teaches at
Regent, an evangelical Christian school."
--
Society, like water, needs to move and change to remain fresh. To keep
it from doing so is to allow it to become stagnant and malodorous. The
religious right would have us all living in a swamp to assuage their own
fears.
�The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you
shine on it, the more it will contract.� �Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
Phxbrd
> Phxbrd wrote:
>> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
>> news:5G2Fm.49894$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> "Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7keto2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Dysperdis" <dysp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:8KqEm.10795$MZ1....@newsfe11.iad...
>>>>> Phxbrd wrote:
>>>>>> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:monEm.49524$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>> "Phxbrd" <lesliese...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7keclkF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:rXlEm.49509$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I'll print it out for you since you seem confused:
Study: Ex-gay ministry has 53 percent success rate
Posted on Aug 10, 2009 | by Michael Foust
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--In findings that directly contradict mainstream
academic thought, 53 percent of subjects in a new seven-year study reported
successfully leaving homosexuality and living happily as heterosexual or
celibate persons.
The study by psychologists Stanton L. Jones of Wheaton College and Mark A.
Yarhouse of Regent University is a follow-up to one released two years ago
in the form of a book, "Ex-Gays?" That study was called groundbreaking, and
the latest set of data is no less significant, the researchers say.
The men followed 61 subjects over a span of six to seven years, recording
their failures and successes in their attempt to leave homosexuality.
Experts in the field call it the first attempt to follow subjects who are
undergoing Christian counseling over a series of years. Such a
time-consuming study is called "longitudinal."
Among their findings:
-- 23 percent reported a successful conversion to heterosexual attractions.
-- 30 percent reported living a celibate life and were content with their
reduction in homosexual attractions. Altogether, those latter two categories
were combined for a 53 percent success rate, the researchers said.
-- 16 percent of subjects had modest decreases in homosexual attractions and
weren't satisfied with their degree of change but were committed to
continuing the process.
-- 7 percent had seen no decrease in homosexual attractions but had not
given up trying to change.
-- 25 percent of subjects were considered "failures," either because they
gave up on the process and once again identified as a homosexual (20
percent) or because they had not yet embraced a homosexual identity but
nevertheless had given up (5 percent).
All the subjects were going through programs set up by Exodus International,
a Christian ministry that seeks to help those who want to leave
homosexuality. Although Exodus funded the study, Jones and Yarhouse agreed
to conduct it only if all sides agreed that they would report the results no
matter the outcome -- in other words, even if the findings embarrassed
Exodus.
The latest findings were released four days after an American Psychological
Association task force released a 130-page report that said
"gay-to-straight" therapies are unlikely to work. That report got mixed
reviews from conservatives, although APA's position on the issue is
well-known: It believes homosexual attractions are "normal and positive
variants" of human sexuality. The APA's website still states, "[T]here has
been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at
changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion
therapy) is safe or effective."
"The APA has previously asserted, with absolute clarity, that sexual
orientation change is not possible -- that it simply doesn't occur," Jones,
of Wheaton College, told Baptist Press. "The best way to test that is to
study people as they're attempting change and follow them over a long period
of time. Our study found that a significant portion of that population
reported very significant change."
He added, "My sense is that our study is a good sample, and so I think that
people can pursue the Exodus process with a cautious sense of optimism about
the possibility of change, but we can't make absolute predictions."
Comparing the latest data to the initial set of data released two years ago,
there was a significant increase in both the "success" and "failure"
percentages and a decrease in the percentage of those who, at the time, had
seen no significant change.
The percentage of those who considered themselves successful in changing
increased from 38 percent to 53 percent, while the percentage of those who
the researchers considered failures also went up, 12 percent to 25 percent.
At the same time, the percentage of those who had seen only modest change or
no change but had not given up on the change effort decreased from 44
percent to 23 percent.
The study actually began with 98 subjects, but 37 dropped out by the
six-year mark for various reasons, Jones said. Some now considered
themselves ex-homosexual and no longer wanted to be reminded about their
past, while some went back to a homosexual identity and no longer trusted
the researchers. Most of them, though, wouldn't return phone calls.
Jones expressed frustration that the APA task force didn't take their 2007
study seriously.
"They selectively apply rigorous scientific standards," he said. "So when it
comes to examining the evidence that sexual orientation change can occur,
they apply extraordinarily rigorous standards, and those standards allow
them to disregard significant evidence that sexual orientation change can
occur. That's what happens with our study. They, I think, invalidly applied
several methodological concerns to dismiss our study.
"When the evidence goes against the view they're expressing, they apply
strong scientific standards. And when the evidence goes with the views
they're expressing, they're considerably more accepting."
The latest set of data is the final set from the researchers. A lack of
funding, as well as a belief that the data is conclusive, has resulted in
them stopping the longitudinal study. They will, though, continue to analyze
the current data.
"In our experience from discussing with the subjects, an awful lot of them
just want to move on," Jones said. "We had to really persuade people to stay
in for this final assessment."
--30--
Michael Foust is an assistant editor of Baptist Press. The Jones-Yarhouse
study is available online at www.ivpress.com/media/pdfs/ex-gay-apa.pdf.
>
No_He_Can_Not
were not real queers but people that were taught to be queers by other
queers like the safe school fag. these people would of coarse have a
better chance of turning away from it since they were really straight to
begin with before some homo pedophile got a hold of them and
indoctrinated them. You can expect a major increase in queers as the
queering of our kids in school gets more wide spread. Than k you Obama
for supporting it you fucking pedophile queer , suck a baby dick
supporting asshole . we would be better off if we had voted an illegal
Mexican into office.
RamRod Sword of Baal
>> You mean the 72-participant study which classified individuals who
>> reported same-sex attraction at the end as "successes," including those
>> who considered themselves primarily homosexual at the end? The one that
>> keeps getting touted as "peer reviewed" despite the fact that it wasn't?
>> Would that be the study you're speaking of?
>
> I'll print it out for you since you seem confused:
>
>
> Study: Ex-gay ministry has 53 percent success rate
>
>
> Posted on Aug 10, 2009 | by Michael Foust
> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--In findings that directly contradict mainstream
> academic thought, 53 percent of subjects in a new seven-year study
> reported successfully leaving homosexuality and living happily as
> heterosexual or celibate persons.
> The men followed 61 subjects over a span of six to seven years, recording
> their failures and successes in their attempt to leave homosexuality.
> Experts in the field call it the first attempt to follow subjects who are
> undergoing Christian counseling over a series of years. Such a
> time-consuming study is called "longitudinal."
>
> Among their findings:
>
> -- 23 percent reported a successful conversion to heterosexual
> attractions.
>
> -- 30 percent reported living a celibate life and were content with their
> reduction in homosexual attractions. Altogether, those latter two
> categories were combined for a 53 percent success rate, the researchers
> said.
A strange success rate, more living celibate lives than persons having
heterosexual sex.
The way I read it is that they had a 23% success rate, hardly a victory.
I wonder how many eventually ended up in a mental institution or committed
suicide after this 'treatment'?
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Ah, they couldn't even get 72 participants. Tell me, how were the
participants chosen? Was it a randomized sample, or a convenience
sample? What of those who dropped out- how many did so because they
learned that they would be considered "successes" when they considered
the therapy a failure?
> over a span of six to seven years, recording
> their failures and successes in their attempt to leave homosexuality.
> Experts in the field call it the first attempt to follow subjects who are
> undergoing Christian counseling over a series of years. Such a
> time-consuming study is called "longitudinal."
>
> Among their findings:
>
> -- 23 percent reported a successful conversion to heterosexual attractions.
By which they mean, if you read the study, there appeared to be /some/
shift, however minor, in their attraction. They weren't straight at the
end.
> -- 30 percent reported living a celibate life and were content with their
> reduction in homosexual attractions. Altogether, those latter two categories
> were combined for a 53 percent success rate, the researchers said.
Yet again, not heterosexual. Gee, and I thought the point of ex-gay
therapy was that at the end, you wouldn't be gay?
> -- 16 percent of subjects had modest decreases in homosexual attractions and
> weren't satisfied with their degree of change but were committed to
> continuing the process.
>
> -- 7 percent had seen no decrease in homosexual attractions but had not
> given up trying to change.
>
> -- 25 percent of subjects were considered "failures," either because they
> gave up on the process and once again identified as a homosexual (20
> percent) or because they had not yet embraced a homosexual identity but
> nevertheless had given up (5 percent).
>
> All the subjects were going through programs set up by Exodus International,
> a Christian ministry that seeks to help those who want to leave
> homosexuality. Although Exodus funded the study, Jones and Yarhouse agreed
> to conduct it only if all sides agreed that they would report the results no
> matter the outcome -- in other words, even if the findings embarrassed
> Exodus.
Statement of Apology from Former Exodus Leaders
Darlene Bogle, Michael Bussee, and Jeremy Marks
http://www.beyondexgay.com/article/apology
June 27, 2007
Los Angeles, CA
As former leaders of ex-gay ministries, we apologize to those
individuals and families who believed our message that there is
something inherently wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or
transgender. Some who heard our message were compelled to try to change
an integral part of themselves, bringing harm to themselves and their
families. Although we acted in good faith, we have since witnessed the
isolation, shame, fear, and loss of faith that this message creates. We
apologize for our part in the message of broken truth we spoke on behalf
of Exodus and other organizations.
We call on other former ex-gay leaders to join the healing and
reconciliation process by adding their names to this apology.
We encourage current leaders of ex-gay programs to have the courage to
evaluate the fruit of their programs. We ask them to consider the
long-term effects of their ministry.
Statement of Apology by Former Exodus Leader Michael Bussee
http://www.beyondexgay.com/article/busseeapology
My name is Michael Bussee. I want to thank you for this opportunity to
tell my story. Thirty years ago, I helped create EXODUS International.
Today, I am here to apologize. Today, I am a licensed Marriage and
Family therapist, a father, a born-again, evangelical Christian�and a
proud gay man. But thirty years ago, I was not so proud.
In fact, I grew up hating my gay feelings. I endured name-calling,
bullying and beatings. Why did the other kids seem to hate me so much?
I didn�t choose to have these feelings and wanted to get rid of them.
I wanted more than anything to be �normal,� to fit in�to fall in love,
settle down, have kids. I desperately wanted to be straight. But how?
At about age 12, I began a personal quest to find the �cure� for
homosexuality. I made a decision to embark on my own private exodus�to
find the way out of homosexuality. My search led me to God. As a
senior in High School, I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior.
That decision changed my life forever and I remain a committed
evangelical Christian to this day.
Then, in 1974, I found Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim and began
work as one of their volunteer hotline counselors. At first, I told no
one about my gay feelings. Finally, I had to �come clean.� I told the
Hotline director that I was a �Christian homosexual.� He told me there
was �absolutely no such thing.� He said that if I was truly a
Christian, then I was � no longer gay in God�s eyes.�
I needed to believe that I was now heterosexual � to �name it and claim
it.� God would do the miracle over time. �Keep praying,� they told me.
If I had enough faith, I would eventually be �set free.� I wanted it
more than anything and sincerely believed it would come true.
At that time, there was no ministry to gays at our mega-church, so my
friend, Jim Kaspar and I decided to invent one. In 1975. We created
EXIT�which stood for �EX-gay Intervention Team.� (Sort of like
�Ghostbusters� � only gay!) We began providing individual counseling
sessions, weekly support groups, Bible studies, and prayer meetings.
Even though we had absolutely no formal training, and had only been
calling ourselves �ex-gay� for a few months, we were suddenly the �experts.�
Pastors and therapists began referring clients to us. We wrote
materials on �How To Help The Homosexual� and gave our �testimonies of
change� at church conferences and on radio and television talk shows --
including Pat Robertson�s �700 Club.� Robertson kept asking if we
thought we had once had �gay demons.� He seemed disappointed when we
both told him �no.�
In 1976, we learned of others like us who were setting up small
�change� or �deliverance� ministries in their areas. In September of
1976, at Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim, EXIT hosted the first
ever conference of �ex-gays.� A handful of ministry leaders along with
approximately 60 delegates voted to form a loose-knit coalition of
ministries. We called it EXODUS. We thought that, called like Moses and
directed my God, we could and would lead many gays and lesbians to the
heterosexual �promised land.�
I need to say that some had a positive, life-changing experience
attending our Bible studies and support groups. They experienced God�s
love and the welcoming fellowship of others who knew the struggle.
There were some real �changes��but not one of the hundreds of people we
counseled became straight.
Instead, many of our clients began to fall apart � sinking deeper into
patterns of guilt, anxiety and self-loathing. Why weren�t they
�changing�? The answers from church leaders made the pain even worse:
�You might not be a real Christian.� �You don�t have enough faith.�
�You aren�t praying and reading the Bible enough.� �Maybe you have a
demon.� The message always seemed to be: �You�re not enough. You�re
not trying hard enough. You don�t have enough faith.�
Some simply dropped out and were never heard from again. I think they
were the lucky ones. Others became very self-destructive. One young man
got drunk and deliberately drove his car into a tree. Another (a fellow
leader of the ex-gay movement) told me that he had left EXODUS and was
now going to straight bars � looking for someone to beat him up. He
said the beatings made him feel less guilty � atoning for his sin. One
of my most dedicated clients, Mark, took a razor blade to his genitals,
slashed himself repeatedly, and then poured drain-cleaner on the
wounds�because after months of celibacy he had a �fall.�
In the midst of all of this, my own faith in the EXODUS movement was
crumbling. No one was really becoming �ex-gay.� Who were we fooling?
As one current EXODUS leader admitted, we were just �Christians with
homosexual tendencies who would rather not have those tendencies.� By
calling ourselves �ex-gay� we were lying to ourselves and to others. We
were hurting people.
In 1979, another EXODUS pioneer (Gary Cooper) and I decided to leave
EXODUS�and our wives. For years, we had both firmly believed that the
EXODUS process would make us straight. Instead, we realized we had
fallen in love with each other! We came out publicly against EXODUS in
1991. Our story is featured in the documentary �One Nation Under God.�
Gary died of AIDS shortly before the film was completed.
Since then, I have remained one of EXODUS�s most persistent critics �
not because I want to �deny hope.� On the contrary, I want to affirm
that God loves every person�and that God�s love and forgiveness does
indeed change lives. It has certainly changed mine. It just didn�t
make me straight. I have found harmony between my sexuality and my
spirituality�and I am hopeful that others can do the same. Everyone�s
journey is different. My own private exodus has been an incredible
journey.
I have lost many friends and lovers to AIDS. I have been fired from two
jobs � just for being gay. And five years ago, I survived a violent and
senseless hate crime that nearly took my life. I was beaten and then
stabbed in the back by gang members yelling, �faggot� as they attacked.
My best friend, Jeffery Owens, was not so lucky. He was stabbed in
the back five times and bled to death on an operating table.
In spite of all of this, I consider myself a survivor. I am a happy,
relatively well-adjusted, evangelical Christian, gay man. I am in a
loving committed relationship with a great guy, my partner Richard, and
I serve as an Elder in my local Presbyterian church. I love God and I
love life.
And I have hope. I believe that we are making headway. Groups like
EXODUS will go out of business when people no longer feel that they must
deny who they really are, to attempt to become what they really are not.
Until then, for those wonderful people, (gay, ex-gay and ex-ex-gay) who
have blessed my life and enriched my journey, I am truly thankful. And
to those I may have harmed by my involvement in EXODUS, I am truly sorry.
Statement of Apology by Former Ex-Gay Leader Darlene Bogle
http://www.beyondexgay.com/article/bogleapology
Hello. My name is Darlene Bogle. Thank you for this opportunity to share
our stories. First, I will tell you why I am here. I directed Paraklete
Ministries, an Exodus referral ministry in Hayward, California, which
incorporated prayer, Bible study, and individual counseling. I was also
the assistant pastor of the Foursquare church. As an Exodus leader, I
traveled the country, speaking and appearing on many local and national
television shows such as Sally Jesse Raphael, Jerry Springer, and CBS 48
hours. I taught workshops at the annual Exodus conferences on the
process of being �delivered from homosexuality� and the benefits of
healing the inner child through prayer. I authored two books, Long Road
to Love, and Strangers in a Christian Land. My message was clear: being
gay is a choice, and you can and should change in order to be Christian.
I was sincere in the message I delivered. God didn�t hate gays, but
homosexuality was not His perfect plan for our lives.
For over ten years, my role in Exodus and the local church, combined
with speaking and book promotions, contributed to my having no private
life. Somewhere along the line, I was so focused on helping others in
conflict that I lost the ability to feel anything about my own life. I
thought this lack of emotion was the confirmation that I was truly
ex-gay, in spite of the fact that I never desired a relationship with a
man and held same-sex friendships at arm�s length.
Then, in l990, while teaching at a Foursquare women's retreat in
California, I had an experience that changed my theology, my life, and
my ministry!
I had just begun my workshop on �Healing the Crumpled Spirit,� when a
woman walked in and sat on the front row. She had long curly black hair
and an infectious smile. Her eyes locked with mine, and although the
books say there is no such thing as love at first sight, my heart knew
better. Her name was Des. I walked to the other side of the room,
recounting my journey of healing by rote, but my brain was whirling with
thoughts and emotions that I thought were dead. Imagine, if you can, my
shock and horror when I realized in that moment, that what I had been
teaching was a lie!
I knew instantly that God had brought us together! We prayed and read
the Bible with the intent of defining love, not sin. Every scripture we
read was in support of the love we now shared. I realized for the first
time how restrictive and limiting my message of grace had become. I was
free for the first time in over 15 years.
Within weeks, I was asked to resign from the church, and removed from
Exodus ministry! Des and I began a 12-year journey together, which is
told in my new book, A Christian Lesbian Journey. I discovered a large
world of gay Christians, and as with Saul in the New Testament, the
scales fell from my eyes! I wasn�t put out to ministerial pasture, but
found many opportunities to share God�s unconditional love and healing
truth with the lesbian and gay community.
In 2005, after a long struggle, Des passed away from breast cancer.
Before she died, she charged me to tell our story and to be a voice for
the gay and lesbian community.
Before I met Des, I considered myself �ex-gay� because I had ceased
sexual activity, and I spent my time promoting �change� in others. When
these changes did not occur, the people in my care frequently asked how
long it would take for desires to change. I lied and encouraged them to
keep praying and reading their Bible. When they asked how long it took
for me, I avoided the question. My heart was in the right place, but my
message was not. I apologize to those individuals and families who
believed my message that change was necessary to be acceptable to God.
In recent years I have seen the resulting damage from rejection, shame,
and conditional love. I apologize for my part in presenting a God of
conditional love, and ask forgiveness for the message of broken truth I
spoke on behalf of Exodus.
.
My heart breaks as I hear the many stories of abuse and suicide from men
and women who couldn�t change their orientation, regardless of what
Exodus and other Christian ministries told them. One of our female
attendees became so depressed over her inability to change that she
jumped off a bridge rather than continue the struggle. I was told it
wasn�t my fault, but my heart knew better.
My call today is for those ministries to hear these stories with their
heart, and to cease spewing messages that damage the families and
individuals who are homosexual. Stand up for truth, but not the broken
truth of mandated change to be acceptable to God. There does need to be
change in our lives, but our sexual orientation is not what needs to be
healed. I call for a time of healing within the body of faith that will
celebrate Christ�s life within all His children.
If there are other former Ex-gay leaders who have come to understand and
embrace God�s grace as gay and lesbian men and women, I encourage them
to step forward and join the healing and reconciliation process. This is
the reason I am now stepping up and accepting responsibility for my past
message, and speaking out a message of hope for our future as gay and
lesbians in the community, and in the church.
Statement of Apology by Former Exodus Leader Jeremy Marks
http://www.beyondexgay.com/article/jeremyapology
Thank you so much for the great opportunity this event provides, to
share the journey I have taken, through the past 20 years
especially�which has involved moving right away from the ex-gay ethos I
embraced in the mid 1980's, in response to the evangelical Christian
church�s rejection of homosexuality and same-sex relationships.
Perhaps I should take this opportunity first to say how sorry I am, and
to ask forgiveness from all my fellow Gay, Lesbian Bisexual and
Trans-gendered people who might be listening to this�for my part in
colluding with the religious right in the Western world. Though at the
time we did not see it this way, our collusion involved setting up and
maintaining an oppressive anti-gay, and I must also say equally
anti-Christian view of homosexuality, that profoundly dishonors Jesus
Christ and has betrayed the Gospel. There really can be no excuse for
this. But there are reasons for it, and I hope this brief statement
will begin to shed light on those reasons, and bring understanding and
possibly some reconciliation�as that is the ministry of the Gospel.
My story begins with the discovery that I was gay in the mid 1960's, at
a time when the UK government changed the law, decriminalizing
homosexual acts�almost exactly 40 years ago. In those days I felt so
uncomfortable in experiencing same-sex attractions because it was so
different to the experience of everyone else I knew. So I found refuge
in a Church which was willing to embrace a repentant sinner, though this
meant I had to fight any homosexual tendencies in thought, word and
deed. This allowed me some acceptance and place in the church, and a
number of church leaders gave many hours of their time to �minister� to
me�praying for deliverance and healing from homosexuality. They were
always compassionate and caring, but never was there a moment when we
might have considered that our traditional view of homosexuality might
have been wrong.
In 1986, I became a member of an ex-gay ministry in the UK where, for
the first time in my life, I met other gay Christians involved in the
same struggle. Early in 1987, I had the opportunity to visit Love in
Action in Northern California, where I was welcomed with immense warmth,
kindness and hospitality. As a result, I returned home to found Courage
UK early in 1988. In those days, when many traditional churches
believed all gay people were bound for hell and were without hope, Love
in Action founder Frank Worthen and his wife Anita, were true pioneers
who gave the best years of their lives and everything they had to help
alleviate the suffering and isolation of many gay Christian people.
They got little support or appreciation for their work from the mainline
churches.
Back in the UK, we adopted Frank�s Steps Out of Homosexuality program,
which we ran through to the end of 1994, when we had to close our
live-in houses due to shortage of funds and a number of other practical
issues. This gave me an unexpected break from 7 years of feeling
overworked�which allowed me to spend time assessing the long-term fruit
of the ministry we had offered. We continued to run weekly support
groups, but over the next few years, I became increasingly aware that
none of the people who had been through our live-in program had
experienced any change whatsoever to their sexuality; indeed the
profound sense of having wasted years of their lives in working and
praying for change resulted in the majority becoming deeply depressed,
cynical and in some cases even suicidal �many losing their Christian
faith altogether. A tiny handful, like myself, got married
(heterosexually) but far from this being the outcome of healing or any
real change in orientation, we made this choice because in evangelical
Christian circles we had just two options�we could either get married,
heterosexually, if we wanted close companionship, or we could remain
celibate for life. Same-sex partnerships were never an option for
anyone who wished to remain in the evangelical or charismatic churches.
The one great benefit of our discipleship programs and support group
meetings in those days at Courage UK, was that these provided an
opportunity for lesbian & gay people to meet other Christians in an
environment where they could be completely open and honest about the
issues and struggles they faced. This proved to be of lasting value to
them. Many close friendships were formed that have continued these past
20 years, and a few even found their partners in our group. This was
not officially �allowed�, of course, but I could not condemn them for
doing so; I had no better alternative to offer them in view of our total
failure to effect the change we had all been looking for.
Even through the mid to late 1990's, we could see no alternative to the
theological approach of our churches. So we still wanted to find a way
out of homosexuality. Indeed this seemed to be the promise of God for
all who truly sought Him, according to our understanding of the Bible.
During this time, I became President of Exodus International Europe.
However, I felt increasingly unhappy at what I saw as the dishonesty of
my fellow Exodus ministries�no-one seemed willing to look at the issue
of our failure to fulfil the promise of healing we claimed to believe
was possible. Nor was anyone prepared to consider there might be an
alternative view. Finally, by the turn of the Millennium, I had
personally reached the point where I felt that at the very least we had
to respect those who formed committed same-sex partnerships, even if we
could not agree on doctrinal grounds. This forced the issue between me
and fellow Exodus leaders with the result that I had to leave the Exodus
movement in the summer of 2000.
One year later, I discovered Evangelicals Concerned, a theologically
conservative, yet pro-gay, Christian ministry founded by Dr Ralph Blair
from New York. They had operated as a kind of opposite number to Exodus
over the same time-span. There I found Christian fellowship where
members could fully embrace the possibility of being gay and Christian
without conflict. I also met many lesbian and gay Christians who had
been in long-term committed partnerships, so at last I could see for
myself that this is not only possible but entirely appropriate for gay
Christians. Consequently I fully embraced the ethos of EC.
Ever since, at Courage UK, we have operated as a gay-affirming Christian
ministry. As a result, I have become a pariah amongst evangelical and
charismatic churches in the UK and beyond. But apart from the sad loss
of what I had believed to be many good friends, I have no regrets. I
could not possibly return to the spiritually and emotionally corrosive
ministry style that has proved to be so misguided and downright damaging
in the long run. An interesting corollary is that most of those who had
sought our help, who had been with Courage UK from the beginning in
1988, came with us in this journey; the fact is that we had journeyed
and made the discovery together�that it is possible to be gay and Christian.
My challenge to Exodus leaders today is to remember that we began as
pioneers, but lost our way when we found a measure of acceptance and
support from mainline churches. Instead of listening to the experience
of those to who we had offered help, we refused to allow ourselves to
face honest and necessary self-criticism, thus we failed to evaluate the
long term effects of our work for what it was. We therefore forsook the
path of following the Spirit of Christ. We compromised and settled for
acceptance in the eyes of other Christian leaders�who really know
nothing of what it means to be gay and Christian.
I now want to try and encourage all those so-called �ex-gay� Christians
who lead Exodus ministries�who, in their hearts, know very well that
what I am saying is true�to change their minds, as I had to�to simply
trust in God once again for their credibility and support, even though
that may mean risking all, as you did before. Though it has been tough,
and I have lost everything, nevertheless I have found God to be faithful
in providing for my basic needs. So let us return once again to
proclaiming the Good News of Jesus Christ�which is that love, acceptance
and forgiveness is available to all who turn to Christ, regardless of
their sexuality or gender. And let us be honest in recognizing that God
has commanded us to love one another�for some of us that may mean that
our choice of live-partner will be someone of the same sex.
At the last Exodus conference I attended, in the year 2000, I noticed
banners displaying the message �Freedom from homosexuality in Jesus
Christ.� This saddened me because I had seen no real evidence of that
message in 12 years of attending Exodus conferences. I knew people who
(like me) had married, but that was not the same thing.
juanjo
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> >> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysper...@gmail.com> posted some
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> >>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
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> >> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
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> >> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>
> > of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let them
> > serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and give them
> > the same rights as married folks have and then there will be no more
> > whining.
>
> > It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
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> Stop oppressing children, faggot.
proof??? Oh you have none, big surprise.
NAMBLA
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On Oct 22, 3:39 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
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> >>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
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> >> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>
> >> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>
> > Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the rest
> > of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let them
> > serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and give them
> > the same rights as married folks have and then there will be no more
> > whining.
>
> > It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
>
> Gay adoption oppresses children and makes them the target of peer
> ridicule.
>
> Stop oppressing children, faggot.
proof??? Oh you have none, big surprise.
You're a fag, you don't have any kids. How the hell would you know?
NAMBLA
> �The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you
> shine on it, the more it will contract.� �Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
That describes homosexuals perfectly.
Alex DeLarge
> On Oct 22, 3:39 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
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>>>> news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>>>>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>>>> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>>>> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>>> Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the rest
>>> of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let them
>>> serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and give them
>>> the same rights as married folks have and then there will be no more
>>> whining.
>>> It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
>> Gay adoption oppresses children and makes them the target of peer ridicule.
>>
>> Stop oppressing children, faggot.
>
> proof??? Oh you have none,
...gay adoption, hth, shitbag.
Gay Lies
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juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> On Oct 22, 3:39�pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
> > RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
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> > >news:Xns9CAC95FD1EBDD4F15P51@localhost...
> > >> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysper...@gmail.com> posted some
> > >>news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
> >
> > >>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
> >
> > >> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers
> .
> >
> > >> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
> >
> > > Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the res
> t
> > > of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let them
> > > serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and give them
> > > the same rights as married folks have and then there will be no more
> > > whining.
> >
> > > It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
> >
> > Gay adoption oppresses children and makes them the target of peer ridicul
> e.
> >
> > Stop oppressing children, faggot.
>
> proof??? Oh you have none, big surprise.
Tomorrow is a different day, maybe you'll be arrested before it
ends.
juanjo
> "juanjo" <jonpe...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> news:bec260e3-7c18-477b...@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 22, 3:39 pm, Alex DeLarge <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>
>
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> > RamRod Sword of Baal wrote:
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> > >news:Xns9CAC95FD1EBDD4F15P51@localhost...
> > >> On 22 Oct 2009, Dysperdis <dysper...@gmail.com> posted some
> > >>news:x%3Em.37251$eF1....@newsfe24.iad:
>
> > >>> I'm certain I'm not the only one sick of the gay/paedophile
>
> > >> We're all sick and tired of the whining liberal emo butt pirate queers.
>
> > >> That's all they do, whine like bitches.
>
> > > Then get behind the push to make Gays equal in every respect to the rest
> > > of the community and there will be no whining, for instance let them
> > > serve openly in the military, let same sex marry same sex and give them
> > > the same rights as married folks have and then there will be no more
> > > whining.
>
> > > It is only when people are oppressed that they have reason to complain.
>
> > Gay adoption oppresses children and makes them the target of peer
> > ridicule.
>
> > Stop oppressing children, faggot.
>
> proof??? Oh you have none, big surprise.
>
> You're a fag, you don't have any kids. How the hell would you know?
Actually I have a son who is 35 now. He is married and has two
children. Not that it is any of your business.
BTW stop cropping post to make then appear to say something different
from what they really say.