The problem is simple. We live in a society that simply doesn't place a high
enough priority on the safety of children. Apparently, we'd rather spend our
tax dollars on war-mongering.
But, this isn't the issue I've come here to address. I joined this site as a
child advocate in the name of Child Abuse Prevention to discuss the major
cause of Child Abuse involving physical injury....the practice of spanking.
At this (initial) point I'm forced to ask if I've come to the right place in
order to do so?
Of course there are any number of anecdotal accounts related to CPS failures
at any given time, but attempts to 'throw out the baby with the bath water'
are ludicrous. I'll put this very simply. CPS agencies across the U.S. save
from physical harm and emotional harm thousands of children at risk on a
yearly basis. And, they accomplish this in the face of woefully inadequate
funding.
0:-] wrote:
>>What's with all the irrelevant anti-CPS propaganda being posted here? As a
>>child care consultant, I've worked with and for a number of CPS agencies in
>[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>At this (initial) point I'm forced to ask if I've come to the right place in
>>order to do so?
>
>Sorry I missed your post before. I only check in here every week or
>so. I'll cross post out to ascps your commentary in attributions
>above, as you see, and my responses below.
>
>"What's with," has to do with the nature of those very people you
>worked with.
>
>They ARE HERE. Here is where they can be heard. And laughed at or
>ignored for the lying pieces of crap they really are.
>
>In ascps, there is both a real reform of CPS expressed, and phony one
>by the yammering pissants that suggest "destroy it and completely
>replace it, top to bottom."
>
>Those latter ALWAYS avoid responding to my challenge: "what you do
>with child abuse in the interim, and what would and who will you
>replace those you banish?"
>
>They are so glib...until they are challenged with reality. They either
>lie or run.
>
>There is another contingent. Those that attempt to help CPS engaged
>families. Again two kinds. Those that attempt to entrap the families
>into staying engaged with CPS longer, or losing their children
>entirely.
>
>They do what I like to call 'lab ratting' of the families in duress.
>
>They try to get them to do what LOST THEM THEIR OR OTHER'S CHILDREN,
>over again.
>
>Challenge the courts, break the law some more, refuse services, and of
>course join them in their folly.
>
>Mostly anti-Government creeps. Search in google group,
>alt.support.child-protective-services, on Brian Christine. Watch the
>story full bore, and what was done to that family by these kinds of
>creepy thugs.
>
>Search also on the name 'Steele' and the most recent post about him,
>by Dan Sullivan. This was part of the ongoing saga of the Christine
>case.
>
>Then for the other folks that attempt to help CPS engaged families.
>
>Basically they attempt to give information on the real workings,
>operationally, of the policies and practices of CPS across the
>country. They are from all over. Most have been engaged with CPS as
>clients and managed to keep their children, or recover them.
>
>Their tactics include both challenging the "findings," AND getting
>their own acts together in ways that show the court they can indeed
>keep their children safe.
>
>I have a link to that group of people.
>
>I worked as a student on work study for CPS many years ago. 1980-81,
>and came to understand more than the lay public 0:] and kept following
>up on it. Went on to do mental health work with adolescent's, and in
>time came to helping relatives regain or keep their kin. You are of
>course familiar with "Kinships Care" and it's history and challenges
>over the last couple of decades.
>
>The others here, and myself, have a considerable body of knowledge to
>share that can not only help people "escape CPS clutches" but do so in
>ways that in fact ARE in the best interests of the child, or I would
>not help.
>
>Understanding the system, and providing support to others new to
>challenge CPS can present to a family, is what it's all about.
>
>You will take a beating here, if you decide to stay and give some
>straight information that confounds the liars and their lies, and you
>might well lend to the efforts for families to do they right thing, in
>shorter time, to get free of their CPS engagement.
>
>I hope you chose to stay.
>
>Welcome.
>
>(OH, and I note you did recognize the bs spamming of the
>antiGovernment yahoos.)
>
>Kane
--
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http://www.familykb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/spanking/200707/1
kidman wrote:
>Anyone educated in the field of Social Work knows that it's the kid's who
>suffer most when homes are broken up. I've seen many of these bitter and
>(fanciful) inaccurate online accounts coming from parents who have had run-
>ins with CPS agencies. Invariably, these accounts come from either parents
>investigated or charged with Child Abuse, or from hard-core Libertarians, e.g.
>, 'I don't want government interference if I should choose to beat my kid
>bloody'.
>
>Of course there are any number of anecdotal accounts related to CPS failures
>at any given time, but attempts to 'throw out the baby with the bath water'
>are ludicrous. I'll put this very simply. CPS agencies across the U.S. save
>from physical harm and emotional harm thousands of children at risk on a
>yearly basis. And, they accomplish this in the face of woefully inadequate
>funding.
>
>>>What's with all the irrelevant anti-CPS propaganda being posted here? As a
>>>child care consultant, I've worked with and for a number of CPS agencies in
>[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
That basically rules out being a CPS caseworker!
You must be a BENEFICIARY of the corrupt system, lobbying for your own
paycheck!
What about the MSW's and higher who have said that the
only way to reform the corrupt crusading culture inside
of the CPS agencies is to dismantle them completely
and start over with NONE of the old people?
Anyone educated in the field of Social Work is indoctrinated
into a mindset and even falsehoods codified by textbooks.
Textbook descriptions of Munchausens By Proxy are
partly to blame for the large number of FALSE accusations of it.
Back in the 1980's when the main ""educational materials""
on Ritual Satanic Child Abuse were an NBC Movie of the Week,
there was a rash of MASS child removals and investigations
in several places. Then FBI researched and found that
RSCA was almost pure hysteria.
The BILLIONS spent on RSCA was a BOONDOGGLE.
Do they teach that in the Social Work textbooks?
Your think that opposition opinions threatening your paycheck are
SPAM? LOL
OF COURSE you want to minimize the disasters that happen
in state custody, and emphasize the few cases of horrific
child abuse at the hands of parents.
And you'd like to portray spanking as the "slippery slope"
that leads to real child abuse, but you don't want to address the
"slippery slope" of government intrusion into families.
Golly <tongue in cheek> how come your big issues
mimick those of Kane so exactly?
Almost like a clone or rubber stamp...
I believe the industry term is "cookie cutter"...
Tell me, do you have any independent thought or do you buy
the Child Protection INDUSTRY "party line" completely?
Just a little bit self serving don't you think?
By the way, there have been a few NAMBLA type "KIDMEN"
caught and convicted working as Child Protection caseworkers.
Weren't they serving themselves also?
Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking
Subject: Is spamming being permitted here??
1. From: "kidman" <u35676@uwe>
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:52:26 GMT Local: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Is spamming being permitted here??
What's with all the irrelevant anti-CPS propaganda being posted here?
As a
child care consultant, I've worked with and for a number of CPS
agencies in
various regions of the U.S. Invariably, these agencies suffer abject
under-
funding, with social workers carrying case loads so high that mistakes
and
oversights are inevitable. The same problem holds true for the Foster
Care
system.
The problem is simple. We live in a society that simply doesn't place
a high
enough priority on the safety of children. Apparently, we'd rather
spend our
tax dollars on war-mongering.
But, this isn't the issue I've come here to address. I joined this
site as a
child advocate in the name of Child Abuse Prevention to discuss the
major
cause of Child Abuse involving physical injury....the practice of
spanking.
At this (initial) point I'm forced to ask if I've come to the right
place in
order to do so?
2.
Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking, alt.support.child-protective-
services
From: "0:-]" <pohaku.k...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:22:56 -0700
Local: Wed, Jul 11 2007 1:22 pm
Subject: Re: Is spamming being permitted here??
Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Jul 18, 1:22 pm).
Welcome.
Kane
3.
Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking
From: "kidman via FamilyKB.com" <u35676@uwe>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:59:47 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 11 2007 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: Is spamming being permitted here??
Anyone educated in the field of Social Work knows that it's the kid's
who
suffer most when homes are broken up. I've seen many of these bitter
and
(fanciful) inaccurate online accounts coming from parents who have had
run-
ins with CPS agencies. Invariably, these accounts come from either
parents
investigated or charged with Child Abuse, or from hard-core
Libertarians, e.g.
, 'I don't want government interference if I should choose to beat my
kid
bloody'.
Of course there are any number of anecdotal accounts related to CPS
failures
at any given time, but attempts to 'throw out the baby with the bath
water'
are ludicrous. I'll put this very simply. CPS agencies across the U.S.
save
from physical harm and emotional harm thousands of children at risk on
a
yearly basis. And, they accomplish this in the face of woefully
inadequate
funding.
4.
Newsgroups: alt.parenting.spanking
From: "kidman via FamilyKB.com" <u35676@uwe>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:12:29 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 11 2007 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: Is spamming being permitted here??
I see that Family KB is blatantly NOT a place for insiders only
and so Family Rights and Parents Rights gripes about the
Child Protection INDUSTRY would not be SPAM of course.
It certainly isn't SPAM in public newsgroups.
I don't think much of the various "Content Management"
companies like Advenet which use PIECES of public
newsgroups as content to sell their web site advertising.
You only said that to TROLL for activity.
I see that you are desperate for activity.
"Prior to graduate school, I worked for a child-protective
agency as a Social Worker 2"
They usually use "Social Worker II".
The more proper title is Caseworker, BSW.
Most CPS caseworkers are NOT licensed SW's
but are allowed to CALL themselves SW by virtue
of their JOB, not their educational credentials.
You only lasted a year doing that, yet you think it's
so very noble?
Can you prove this is really even your name?
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert_bio=James_C._Talbot
BIO for James Talbot
After four years in the Marine Corps and a stint as the leading Sales
Manager for Beneficial Mgmt. Corp., I went on to a B.A. in Psychology
from Oberlin College. During my undergraduate studies, in my assigned
position with the Urban Studies Program, I authored, implemented, and
directed a study called 'Operation Success' for the Cleveland Public
School System. I was selected as a Research Intern for a semester,
and
then retained as a Research Consultant for a second semester to
complete the study. This study was an especially designed existing
program for inner-city students deemed to be potential high-school
drop-outs.
My hypothesis was that given the right environment, these students
could improve their self-concepts as learners. With pre and post
testing, the study proved to show a significant increase in the
students' self-concepts as learners in a formal educational setting.
During this time, I taught drums and played in a Rock & Roll band. I
recruited eleven of my students to form a drum section which won a
national championship the following year. I also taught a course in a
private high school entitled 'Alternatives in Education'.
After graduation from Oberlin College in 1972, I accepted a position
as a Counselor at a drop-in center for teen-agers with drug and
family
problems. My responsibilities included one-on-one sessions, leading a
group-session, speaking to community groups and schools, and
escorting
prisoners (drug-related offenders) from a state honor farm to group
sessions. I subsequently left this position to become the Executive
Director of the Sandusky Valley Board of Drug Abuse where I was
responsible for setting-up and overseeing Drug Abuse Prevention
Programs for a three county area. Speaking to various groups and
organizations, counselling, and staff training were also an integral
part of the job.
Prior to graduate school, I worked for a child-protective agency as a
Social Worker 2. This position involved working with abusive and
negligent parents and their children in an attempt to keep the
families together when feasible. While I was in this position I
became
aware of the incredible need of children to gain love and acceptance
from their parents.
I attended the University of Northern Colorado for my post-graduate
work in Psychology where I maintained a 3.9 GPA. Over the years I've
accumulated more than 500 University Contact Hours through various
field-related classes and seminars.
Over a period of five years, I founded and directed an alternative
boarding school for children judged by public school systems to have
behavior or adjustment problems. While waiting for various approvals
and funding, I accepted a position as a Teacher and Activity
Therapist
at a private school for the Severely Developmentally Disabled.
With regard to the purpose of this biography, my field-related work
experience is of minor significance compared to the "proof-of-the-
pudding" of my son and daughter. Suffice it to say, if your kids turn
out like mine have, you won't be able to keep from feeling the same
fulfillment, gratification and joy as I do. There is nothing more
important that I could have done with my life than having played a
significant role in providing an environment for my children that
optimized their chances of one day reaching their full potential;
while also optimizing their chances of finding a preponderance of
happiness, joy, and fulfillment throughout their lives.
My son is 27, my daughter 25. They are both much-loved and have an
uncommon number of friends who hold them in high esteem. They are
altruistic, loving, mature, compassionate, kind, and out-going. They
are already clear about what has true meaning in life. They are
relatively stress-free and have the ablility to handle life's
vicissitudes with great aplomb. Because of the strength and self-
esteem they acquired during their formative years, I never had to
worry about their mental health, substance abuse, delinquent
behavior,
or social problems. Unlike me at their age, the clear-headed choices
they have made in their lives are impeccable. The sophistication and
scope of their perceptions, insights, and level of consciousness
surpassed mine a number of years ago, and I found myself in need of
making a transition from teacher to student in these areas. I should
also add that they are both comfortable with who they are and what
they stand for.
I do not exaggerate when I say my son is already a giant of a man.
His
nobility, heroism, and generosity of himself (even at the risk of
getting hurt) is quite frankly, beyond my experience. I could cite an
incredible example of this but it's a long story. Ask me if you'd
like. His passion is for the Environmental Sciences and he was
President of an environmental association in college. My son's
demeanor is an ever-present, unassuming self-assuredness that has a
tendency to endear him to just about everyone he comes in contact
with. He's warm, caring, funny, and a good listener.
My daughter is vivacious, radiant, and effervescent. She's very sweet
yet very strong. She will soon embark in a career as a Teacher in
Special Education and is married to a fine young attorney. I'm really
not sure if she could be any happier than she is right now. She has
shown an ability to lead a life where the magnitude of the problems
she encounters day-to-day are minimized to the point of being the
envy
of most people, maybe even just about ALL people. Throughout her
life,
she has never given me cause to raise my voice at her in anger.
In conclusion, I've heard Oprah Winfrey (among others) say, "The
hardest job in the world is raising kids". I beg to differ in the
strongest terms! JUST ASK ME WHY! Any little question you have is
fine
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0:-] wrote:
>>Anyone educated in the field of Social Work knows that it's the kid's who
>>suffer most when homes are broken up. I've seen many of these bitter and
>[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
>>>
>>>Kane
--
James C. Talbot
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1. Go to http://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/DefaultFrame
2. Start a case search for gregory s hanson, choose Linn county
It is what it is.
Firemonkey
BIO for greg
Lisa Renee Watkins.
So, let me ask you kindly, is this the normal situation here? If so, I should
be on my way (I'm fairly burned-out on attempting to deal with crusading
child abusers who have lost their 'parental right' to continue their abusive
practices....I've already put my time in.) Thanks.
firemonkey wrote:
>BIO for gregor
>
>1. Go to http://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/DefaultFrame
>
>2. Start a case search for gregory s hanson, choose Linn county
>
>It is what it is.
>
>Firemonkey
>
>> (Post deleted reposted with crossposting list.)
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 152 lines]
>> use
>> any information found on this site.
>
>BIO for greg
--
Ten year old misdemeanors vs. Bonnie and Clyde??
Dan Sullivan of Long Island New York doesn't
even get a parking ticket.... Right!
Or Don - he spammed his states most vulnerable children to usenet
perverts -- like pork sausage on eBay -
It'll be decades before anyone can top him. lol.
He's the most disgusting scumbag to ever infest usenet.
And he worked for CPS.
Go figure.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Right!
You buy pork sausage on ebay?
> It'll be decades before anyone can top him. lol.
yawn
> He's the most disgusting scumbag to ever infest usenet.
yawn
> And he worked for CPS.
No, he didn't.
> Go figure.
How's this?
One AH named Greg and one AH named Dennis = two AHs!
On Jul 13, 7:39 pm, "kidman via FamilyKB.com" <u35676@uwe> wrote:
> Hi there. The link you provided didn't work for me, but I can offer a good
> guess as to what information it discloses. I have a question. Why would a
> board devoted to a discussion on the practice of spanking allow for the
> spamming of anti-child welfare programs? I'm reminded of spanking fetishist's
> who attempt to disrupt spanking debate boards. Is this board not moderated? I
> must say that I'm interested in efforts toward child abuse prevention, not
> anti-child propaganda (which in essence, these inflammatory, misleading
> postings represent).
>
> So, let me ask you kindly, is this the normal situation here? If so, I should
> be on my way (I'm fairly burned-out on attempting to deal with crusading
> child abusers who have lost their 'parental right' to continue their abusive
> practices....I've already put my time in.) Thanks.
Jim! I see you had high hopes of being an ezine ""expert"" on the
public world wide web, but you're such a liberal kook that you
thought you could spew your ""intellectual"" drivel without
coping with any competing ideas?
Are your opinions like "hothouse flowers" unable to stand the real
world?
There is a REASON why moderated newsgroups are often
so boring that they die a slow death.
It's called "politically inbred" or "preaching to the choir".
I see you equate all spanking with child abuse.
It must really chafe your hide that spanking is legal in all 50
states.
When you joined the Marines you took an oath to defend
the Constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic, didn't you?
But NOW you would ignore gross violations of that same
Constitution for the sake of obsessively ""protecting""
children, even if it kills the children, right?
Do you see Unconstitutional destruction of the
FAMILY as helpful for the child, Jim?
And if you can get some nice checks as a contractor
in CPS cases, that wouldn't hurt your feelings either would it?
What are your professional credentials and job title Jim?
What do you really do for a living, and who for?
You wanted to be VERY PUBLIC but now you want to hide out?
Oora?
What? Are you trying to equate a traffic ticket with beating a woman?
With washing a unrelated 6 year old little girls private area with
your BARE HANDS?
You are a sick, sick person.
Firemonkey
So where's the PUBLIC RECORD?
> > While I don't find a ten year span of any significance.
It's enough for expungement.
It's enough they don't even count for sentencing.
> > What I do find interesting is that that would put you right there very
> > early in the child's life.
Nope.
> Just how long DID you abuse her?
> How do you like those old rhetorical questions, eh, Greg?
This little game is "moral and ethical" in your mind isn't it?
Firemonkey wrote
> What? Are you trying to equate a traffic ticket with beating a woman?
What leads you to believe that, exactly?
Do you really think Dan Sullivan lives on Long Island
In New York and never gets ANY parking tickets?
Ya wanna buy a BRIDGE?? Maybe Dan can sell you one!
> With washing a unrelated 6 year old little girls private area with
> your BARE HANDS?
No, and you KNEW that was false, Firemonkey!
Firemonkey wrote
> You are a sick, sick person.
Getting your epithets are like getting hate mail from Hitler.
Greegor wrote:
>> 0:-), thanks for your support. It's an old story in which small-minded
>> individuals who cannot offer a reasonable rebuttal to unwelcome information
>> make an attempt to discredit the presenter.
>> James C. Talbot
>
>> Hi there. The link you provided didn't work for me, but I can offer a good
>> guess as to what information it discloses. I have a question. Why would a
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
--
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http://www.familykb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/spanking/200707/1
You think NY keeps public records of parking tickets?
You must have corn between your ears, Greg.
But does your left hand Monkey know what your right hand Dan is up to?
I know no such thing, am I to believe it because you say so? I was in
the information YOU posted.
Firemonkey
> Getting your epithets are like getting hate mail from Hitler.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
What ?
Once and for all greg, you little impotent pingaling.......
I know Dan to be a man of honor, compassion, loyality, he freely gives
his time and expertise to people in need, his does this with no
expectation of reward. His heart is clean and clear and I am very
thankful to him, not only for myself but for all the families he has
brought back together.
You on the other hand are rancid fecal matter.
Firemonkey
False?
Quite possibly just not provable.
Did you let Lisa Jr. wash off the urine with the cold water herself,
Greg?
Or did you give her a hand?
Like you handed her a towel because she couldn't pick it up without
you.
More personal ""references"" from some anonymous geek on the internet?
Wasn't it enough that anonymous Dan and anonymous Don
publicly gave glowing references for each other?
After all, nobody can prove they're not the same person,
or that you're not also the same person.
You could be giving references for YOURSELF.
How much weight do you think that should carry, Dan?