the TMF is going downhill fast!
Jeremy9564
Before you post anything you have to think if it will offend the moderators.
Especially freeky Jeff. He loses his temper quickly and will close threads on a
whim, especially if you talk about any of his silly models.
What do the rest of you think about that place? It's really starting to suck. I
like this AMT better because a person can say what they feel without walking on
eggshells. And our posts here cant be deleted. As a matter of fact, this very
post would quickly be deleted on the TMF because is disagrees with the
Taliban....er I mean the moderators.
Any thoughts from anyone? Post here. You are free to do so. Post anonymous if
you want, and still be able to walk amongst the gods of the TMF.
Animated GIF Man
<20011115034106...@mb-fc.aol.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone been in there lately? Complete "big brother watching"
> going on in there.
>
I'm certain it's neccessary to keep a constant watch there. It's a
good thing they are watching threads closely. Abuse of moderator
authority is dealt with just as swiftly and as fairly, apparently. One
need only look at the speed with which KUJMAN lost his moderator
status there to know they *aren't* 'playing favorites'. A few people
posting there tend to forget that it says on the front page that it's
a "Flame-Free Forum", as AMT is by charter and FAQ, but people
can post here in a negative manner without their posts getting
removed immediately (but still run the risk of negative
consequences from their ISP if reported along with a copy of the
AMT FAQ). <g>...
>
> Before you post anything you have to think if it will offend the
> moderators. Especially freeky Jeff. He loses his temper quickly
> and will close threads on a whim, especially if you talk about
> any of his silly models.
>
Do you really find that at all surprising, Jeremy? It was JEFF
himself, after all, that donated the server that the TMF resides on
in the first place, at enormous expense of personal resources, both
in time and money (and continues to finance same out of pocket)
as a gift to the TK community. Is it all that much to ask that people
don't 'dis' the company and person responsible for that forum in
the first place?
>
> What do the rest of you think about that place? It's really starting
> to suck. I like this AMT better because a person can say what
> they feel without walking on eggshells. And our posts here can't
> be deleted.
>
That's not all together 'true', either. Posts can be effectively removed
here or be "NoCeM"-ed by those with the technical know-how to do
so when so inclined. <g>...
>
> As a matter of fact, this very post would quickly be deleted on the
> TMF because is disagrees with the Taliban....er I mean the
> moderators.
>
More likely because it violates TOU ("Terms of Use") for the TMF
in that it is a "Flame-Free" forum. Posts there (as well as here for
that matter), should relate in some way to the topic of tickling and
shy away from being direct or indirect attacks towards a poster's
TK orientation or preference &/or the 'theme' or content of their
posts.
>
> Any thoughts from anyone? Post here. You are free to do so.
> Post anonymous if you want, and still be able to walk amongst
> the gods of the TMF.
>
Anon posting is *so* lame... My thoughts on the TMF? I think it's
one of the greatest things to come along for the TK community and
a pretty kewl place to post and trade in TK info, meetings and trivia.
just my dollar thirty and change... (*inflation's* a bitch!) PEACE
AREENACTOR
but it was explained.
it seems some folks, esp. one was making VERY crude comments about a young
lady who is a member of the tmf, and who also did a tickle video with jeff.
as i understand it, it wasn't jett who pulled it, but dvnc, after he received
comlaints about the thread. btw the complaints were not from the girl being
discussed.
all in all, it didn't bother me...
steve
areen...@aol.com
StrongNsincere
have an issue with jeff from magic touch, i can see where some people would
think that jeff is an egotistical snobby nose in the air sonofabitch...however
, there is an explanation for that,, first lets look at jeff, he is bald and
fugly, this is true yes? being true it means poor jeff was probably picked on
his entire life, i can imagine the torments poor jeff had to endure in school,
not to mention watching beautiful girls from a distance always dreaming of
tickling there soft tender soles and enjoying there peals of ticklish laughter,
only to wake up from the blissfull dream and realize that not one of those
girls would ever speak to him let alone let a freak like him tickle there
perfect soles... but now!! low and behold!! the great and powerful jeff!!!!! in
flowing white robes standing atop mount olympus hurling thunder bolts at those
who would dare! ( INVOKE HIS MOST SEVERE DISPLEASURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!) YA, i
couldnt believe the arrogance of that statement at the tmf... who cares who
likes jeff or not? i have jeff to thank for my very unhealthy obsession with a
certain girl named farrah!! so for that i both thank and curse him lol! but you
see my lil chickadees!! jeffs intense arrogance is well deserved,,, i mean i
envy that guy and who wouldnt??? i look at him and jealousy fills me to the
core! what it must be like to live out your fantasies every single day! and get
paid to boot! shit man that would turn any of us into an arrogant asshole! so i
understand jeff, i understand him very well, so before he starts chucking
thunderbolts at me from the mountain top, i will say i admire and respect him
and that is truth, not fear that he will banish me from the wonderful world of
tickling, cause you see kiddies, and i think jeff will agree when i say this,,,
people hate suck ups!! jeff hates them! i hate them! so when you say nice
things about jeff let it be the truth and not just because he is a " tickling
god" or because of the cool shit he does,,,,you see, i am very very secure
with myself : ) and have no fear of retaliation of any kind whatsoever... i
dont worship jeff or guys like him, i admire them simply for the work they do
and the service they provide... no more no less....jeff is a mature guy and im
sure he will appreciate my goodnatured jabs at hisexpense,,, if not....
then i have thors hammer to deflect the thunderbolts.........
just a non serious rant to entertain the mindless masses.....
and one more thing! we hear about all those chicks at the tmf! why dont they
ever post what they think about the guys there i mean hey! they cant all be
lezbos or guys pretending to be girls for cyber can they?
Drew70
participating at the TMF for this very reason. I guess I'm in the minority,
but I just can't go for a flame-free environment. Not only would it bore me
to tears, but like you said, I would constantly have to walk on eggshells.
I did notice that Dark Knight seems to prefer the flame-free environment of
the TMF, as we never see him here any more. I can't help but wonder what
the would-be hero is defending people against, if there are no flames.
On the other side of the coin, if a forum gets to a point where there is
more flaming than on-topic material, that gets old fast. In my opinion, AMT
has a good balance of flames versus topicality.
As for Jeff of Magic Touch, I personally have nothing but good things to say
about him. During the days when I scanning and posting what ended up being
a series of 2001 pics, Jeff approached me and offered to send me a couple of
videos, free of charge, simply because it bothered him that I was getting no
compensation for all of my hard work. I declined the offer initially, but
he approached me again and I accepted. He sent me two cool f/f videos, for
which I'm still grateful. The way you describe him doesn't sound like the
Jeff I know.
Ticklerboy
>couldnt believe the arrogance of that statement at the tmf.
Ok - I couldn't believe when he said that either! Who the hell does he think he
is? He told someone they would "invoke his most severe displeasure" if they did
something. What an asshole! He's a 2-bit bald pervert who jacks off after he
does video shoots with the models - And we are supposed to be fearful of
something that he can do to us? Give us a break Jeff. (oh and lets see you
delete this post Jeff!)
Ticklerboy
>fugly, this is true yes? being true it means poor jeff was probably picked on
>his entire life,
I agree with you - he now is trying to make up for that and have guys worship
him. Not cool. In fact, speaking of having your head up Jeff's ass, have any of
you noticed the poster called Dave2112 on the TMF? He is such a suck up loser!
Go to the tmf and just read almost any of his posts. "jeff you are great.
thanks for making videos." "jeff is the best." "jeff i'll order any video you
make." "i nominate jeff for tickling contributor of the year."
Dave2112 - It's sickening to even watch - What an ass kisser!
Jeremy9564
>to tears, but like you said, I would constantly have to walk on eggshells.
My point exactly. Who the hell wants to pretend they are having open discussion
when everything is being watched, edited and deleted because they didn't feel
it wasn't "positive and upbuilding"?
Sheeese Laweeeshe!
Ticklefan
<drew.s...@verizon.net> spewed forth from deep within his/her
bowels the following:
>I agree with you in part, Jeremy. Until just recently, I've resisted
>participating at the TMF for this very reason. I guess I'm in the minority,
>but I just can't go for a flame-free environment. Not only would it bore me
>to tears, but like you said, I would constantly have to walk on eggshells.
>I did notice that Dark Knight seems to prefer the flame-free environment of
>the TMF, as we never see him here any more. I can't help but wonder what
>the would-be hero is defending people against, if there are no flames.
Yes, agreed. I post rarely on the TMF due to the deleted posts. I
can understand putting an end to a flame war going back and forth, but
to delete any negative post is seriously stupid.
The previous statement would be deleted there as a flame when in
actuality, it is an opinion pertaining to their definition of "flame".
When some idiotic moron makes an idiotic moronic comment, everyone
should be able to step up and say "god you are an idiot spewing forth
idiotic blather". I've only had one post deleted from there and it
was to some moron jacking off over kujman saying something like "not
one of you will ever measure up to kujman, he is the Lord the God, the
Alpha and Omega of bondage and tickling.." so I posted the
following:
"<snipped a bunch of idiotic horsecrap>
same story different town"
and to my surprise.. it was removed, never to be seen again. It
certainly wasn't a flame against KJ (hell, I like him and ticklegal
both, alot, I just hate the constant KJ is God crap). I may be slow,
but to me, that was not a flame against anyone. I think this
anti-flame policy of theirs needs a little refining, or at least make
an area on the site where "anything goes".
>
>On the other side of the coin, if a forum gets to a point where there is
>more flaming than on-topic material, that gets old fast. In my opinion, AMT
>has a good balance of flames versus topicality.
Your opinion is shared.
>
>As for Jeff of Magic Touch, I personally have nothing but good things to say
>about him. During the days when I scanning and posting what ended up being
>a series of 2001 pics, Jeff approached me and offered to send me a couple of
>videos, free of charge, simply because it bothered him that I was getting no
>compensation for all of my hard work. I declined the offer initially, but
>he approached me again and I accepted. He sent me two cool f/f videos, for
>which I'm still grateful. The way you describe him doesn't sound like the
>Jeff I know.
>
>
Absolutely. I have never had anything but good exchanges with Jeff.
The way he's being described just doesn't jibe with what I have
witnessed.
David
Proud Supporter of
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Love is divine, laughter sublime.
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TklUrFeet
happy to see the participants and moderators leave from AMT. Some even boasted
the prediction of their demise before they got going, and used every small
start-up problem they had as a signal to mark their inevitable downfall. A
couple of posters here even suggested that the TMF moderators be BANNED from
AMT if they try crawling back after the failure of TMF!
Now that the TMF has become a successful environment under its own terms, some
whiners are upset because they're not being granted the opportunity to turn it
into a shit-house like they've done here.
I applaud the TMF for having a retard-resistant attitude and maintaining a
place where people can go without worrying about constant flames and hostile
attacks.
Ticklerboy
>
>I applaud the TMF for having a retard-resistant attitude and maintaining a
>place where people can go without worrying about constant flames and hostile
>attacks.
Even though you are probably a moderator from the tmf being incognito, DID YOU
KNOW that the post you just made above woule be deleted in the tmf becuase it
flamed others here? Think about that! You only got to say what you just said
because this it AMT. No cencorship here and you took advantage of it! - Total
egg on your face!
Jeremy9564
>KNOW that the post you just made above woule be deleted in the tmf becuase it
No no no Ticklerboy. You have it all wrong. His post would not be deleted
because his post sides with the TMF. He can use fowl language, flame and insult
all he wants and his posts will never get a second thought.
It's totally a double standard.
Its only the people that don't agree 100% with them that will get deleted. In
other words, kiss their asses with your posts or suffer the wrath of Jeff. What
kind of a community is that? I'll tell you. It's pretend. It's make believe.
It's a bunch of robots posting in their, each trying to gain more popularity
than the others. Do you understand now Ticklerboy?
Jeremy9564
Supposedly the guy named Myriads is the "tzar" or head honcho who makes all
final decisions. But everybody knows he answers to Jeff, who holds the cards
because he hosts the site on his computer. Myriads is like the cowboy's coach
Dave Campo, and Jeff is Jerry Jones. Myriads is just a pawn. He cannot overstep
balding Jeff. Sorry Myriads, but they really should know the truth.
QBWEAVER
one moderator who was deleting numerous posts. The tension was high at that
point but with that and these nasty posts about that young lady lots of people
took it to mean that TMF was being severely edited.
It's not. It's just a passing thing. The moderator issue is resolved. This
post about the young lady was inappropriate and that has been resolved. So
take a chill pill and sit back and enjoy.
Actual Nice Guy
in somebody else's yard. Grow the F*** up already. If ya don't like it, stay
out. SIMPLE AS THAT.
Jeremy9564
The above post would be deleted in the TMF. :)
Jeremy9564
a TMF moderator or supporter has made a new screen name. Why don't you just say
who you are, or do you fear that you won't be able to delete the posts made in
reply to you? :)
Drew70
And now you are whining and bitching about all the whining and bitching. Do
you not see the irony in this?
DVNC
Who invoked me? ;) Yeah, I yanked a thread that made derogatory comments at a
lady on the TMF. Pulled it in, let the rest of the moderator crew review it,
and it was decided that the thread (which was Jeff's thread, incidentally) DID
have someone makin' unwanted comments. The lady about whom the comments were
made had complained in the thread, and then another user pinged the mod's to
complain. It was outta bounds, and that's part of the job of the moderators on
the TMF - pulling offensive posts.
You want boundless? You have it. AMT is as close as it gets. You get to hear
all the negativity about how I'm bad, Jeff's bad, gatherings are bad, NEST's
bad, Kujman's bad, bad bad bad...
It's viable for that.
What's nearly comical, in reading what Jeremy's stirrin' up, is that the TMF is
doin' just fine. The 2500+ folks playin' nicely on that service seem happy.
There's just no open flaming allowed. If you NEED open flaming, you already
HAVE this group here, or you'd not be readin' this. Like freedom of speech,
you're still legally restricted in public places. Doubt me? Try going to the
mall and railing against whomever offends your sensibilities, with hostility
and slander. It's a quick path to a free room and board. TMF is similar to a
town where AMT is a frontier. It's still largely lawless, unless you REALLY
cross the few lines that exist. TMF isn't free, and has lines. They're
written down now, so folks don't mistake it, and mods there WILL yank a post
that crosses the lines. Alas.
Honestly, if you don't enjoy it, don't go there. Ain't like there ain't good
folk here interacting. It's just ANOTHER place. While it's flattering that
it's important enough for this thread, it's just another place for ticklephiles
to meet and talk, and exchange info. That one just doesn't allow such
negativity as is allowed here.
StrongNsincere
i walk on eggshells for no one.
heres a lil spark of history for you dingleberries who want a no flame forum...
it was during the war in the 1940s when the nazis told the jews that they were
taking away there guns in order to stop crime.... they told the jews that if
they wanted to use there guns for hunting they could come to a designated area
and check them out for the day,,,SURPRISE!! they lied!! next thing you know
jews are being led to the slaughter like lambs.....
the moral of this story kiddies! is when you take a mans rite to defend himself
or to castrate him by taking away his free speach!!! you rob him not only of
his dignity!! but of his gods givin rite to freedom of self expression,,,
mindless retarded redderick!! is something subjective,,, whos to say whats
positive debate or not!!!!?? i for one would rather fend off the flames of
redderick! and stupidity in a free forum than have big brother ( jeff and the
likes ) tell me what i can say and what i cant! are they congressmen? are they
senaters?? the fucking president??!!!! who the hell are they to tell anyone
whats rite,wrong,positive,negative, or anything else?? what makes them more
qualified than you or i to make those decisions??!!!! for all the mindless
sheep out there with there noses securely up the asses of the moderators at the
tmf.. dont come a runnin when they take yer guns away ........nuff said
Summerdaez1
I personally prefer redneck myself, obviously not to be confused with
redderick.
Summer
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Drew70
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AREENACTOR
yeah! like turkey, chicken, duck, capon, emu, penguin, etc.
steve
areen...@aol.com
AREENACTOR
i don't see it drew. why is it that only complainers can complain?
why can't tmf suporters respond?
so in your eyes only tmf detracters can voice their opinion? gee i think i see
some hypocracy here.
steve
Ticklerboy
1) Do not invoke Jeff's "most severe displeasure." Very frightening indeed.
2) Praise Jeff and his models as many times as you can in each of your posts.
3) Do not say anything that isn't completely uplifting and positive to every
member.
4) Do not talk about paradise vision.
5) Pretend Myriads runs the show, not Jeff.
6) Do not attempt to type posts that are longer then DVNC's.
7) If Narin gets uncomfortable from words on a screen, pull the post
immediately.
8) Try hard to talk about the same stuff over and over in each post. Be
monotoneous. Praise everyone for everything.
9) Never disagree with a moderator. Do not be yourself. Try to please them.
10) Pretend the moderators actually are important people in the real world, not
people that have 10 hours each day free to spend editing and deleting your
thoughts and opinions.
Does anyone know any of the other rules?
Actual Nice Guy
wanted people to know my vanilla SN, don't ya think I'd have posted under that
one instead? And what difference could it possibly make to your rant anyway?
You've made up your mind, and clearly you wanna pout and take your ball and go
home. Taking potshots at me for your inability to cope with RULES that are in
place to protect people who simply like having a place where they're safe from
the likes of your flaming ignorance won't get you anywhere, or make you feel
any better about your shortcomings. Try buying a monster truck. Or a really
big stereo. Compensate some other way than insulting others to feel better
about your own pathetic excuse for a life.
Actual Nice Guy
little sick of all this crybaby crap from time to time? This isn't friggin'
grammar school or some popularity contest. People wasting space in the NG with
rants like this childish dribble are as bad as spammers. It just gets to be a
bit much sometimes.
And frankly, if I may go off on a somewhat related tangent... your posts are
some of the most amusing in here, despite being on opposite sides of this
particular fence. Just giving credit where credit is due. Whatever your
opinion is, you don't lower yourself to the most common denominator and spew
like the kids who're clearly unsupervised on a school night.
Actual Nice Guy
pot?
QBWEAVER
I do.
Ignore posts from ticklerboy!
Kraftie
death of me... *hack, cough, wheeze* :op
Kraftie ;o)
(secretly admiring that at the end of the day, Drew still has enough wit
left in him to pull off a pun!)
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Jeremy9564
If the TMF hierchy think their little bubble world is so much better than the
AMT, why do they even come in here and look around and make replies in defense
of the TMF?
Why even visit this "shit hole" (as they have termed it) Doesn't the TMF
provide them with everything they need? Guess not.
Jeremy9564
>wanted people to know my vanilla SN, don't ya think I'd have posted under
>that
>one instead?
>Taking potshots at me for your inability to cope with RULES that are in
>place
Your two comments above reveal that you are indeed an alias email address of
one of the moderators on the TMF. I wonder with one though....? Will you tell
us?
Drew70
bitching, but I try to deal with it in ways other than adding more of the
same. But I'm not blind to your frustration. Seems if somebody goes out of
their way to provide something cool to the TK community, somebody else is
bound to bitch about it.
I take no sides on this issue. I am sitting on the fence as it were.
Steve, you should know me well enough to realize I'm not one to try to limit
free speech in here. Everybody has the right to post their opinions. I was
merely pointing out the irony in bitching about bitching, not meant to imply
he was wrong and they were right.
I agree only in part with the detractors of the TMF. I don't care for
moderated forums. While the motives for doing so are honorable, what
results is only a half-picture. A world where everything is good and
positive is unrealistic, because everybody has a negative side to them,
which needs to be expressed as much as the positive side. I check out the
TMF from time to time, it's a pretty cool spot, but I prefer a home like
AMT, where I can let my hair down and say what I think and not worry about
whom I might be offending.
On the other hand, I disagree with Jeremy's and Ticklerboy's assessment of
the character of Jeff, DVNC, Myriads, and the others. I don't sense that
any of them take any pleasure in deleting posts or threads. It seems that
they generally won't do so except by mutual consent, which is the most
reasonable way to moderate, if moderating must be done. I was very
impressed when they expelled the one moderator who abused the power.
Drew70
some
> whiners are upset because they're not being granted the opportunity to
turn it
> into a shit-house like they've done here.
Excuse me, did I just here you describe AMT as a shit-house? Well, allow me
point out the door for you. I'm sure you have a class to teach, or a
bandwagon to jump on.
> I applaud the TMF for having a retard-resistant attitude and maintaining a
> place where people can go without worrying about constant flames and
hostile
> attacks.
Oh puh-lease. We're talking about words on a screen for God's sake. Are
you THAT sensitive?!
Ticklerboy
>
>Excuse me, did I just here you describe AMT as a shit-house? Well, allow me
>point out the door for you.
How ironic and lowly. Here we have a TMF worhiper (or an actual TMF founder)
coming into the AMT and calling it a shit-house. -(sarcasm beginning) Now that
certainly sounds like someone I would want to moderate (edit, delete, twist) my
thoughts and expressions on the TMF!
Drew70
> (or an actual TMF founder)
Hardly. He's a frontrunner who takes whatever side that outnumbers the
other. Last June he grew himself a pair of ovaries and jumped on the "save
the children" bandwagon once he saw the number of ladies to whom he could
ingratiate himself. Now he's predictably jumping on the "Bash AMT & praise
the TMF" bandwagon. What a shock.
Jeremy9564
>the children" bandwagon once he saw the number of ladies to whom he could
>ingratiate himself. Now he's predictably jumping on the "Bash AMT & praise
>the TMF" bandwagon. What a shock.
Oh I see. Understood. Thanks for clearing that up. So he sides with the
majority huh? Hell with whats right and wrong. :)
TklUrFeet
happen to think there is room for both.
And also, I would like to qualify my earlier remark about this place being a
"Shit House." I misspoke. God knows there are some very nice people here and
that remark would unfairly characterize them as shit house associates.
What I meant was that some people here suffer from at least the same degree of
arrogance that they accuse others of having. (Drew, I'm looking in your
direction, kid.)
Venray1
ven
Arcangel00729489
Amendment right protects you from censorship from the government, and not from
private organizations. For example, if I invite you over to a party over at my
house and you start insulting my guests then I'll ask you to stop. If you
continue then I'll kick you out. Am I censoring what you can say? Yes I am.
Am I violating your first amendment rights? No I am not. If you don't like
my rules then do not come to my party. It is that simple. You have the right
to go somewhere else. That is the same with the TMF. If you don't like the
fact that the post are moderated then you do not have to go there. You can
start your own own forum if you want, and create your own rules.
Ticklerboy
would be fine. But they are censoring anything that is bad for Jeff's business
or his reputation. That is what everyone is complaining about. I saw proof
today on the tmf. Want to know what the proof is?
Jeremy9564
What is it?
Ticklerboy
>>today on the tmf. Want to know what the proof is?
>
>What is it?
>
Sure. Remember how quickly Jeff pulled entire rows of posts that were about his
unticklish little model Narin? He pulled them in haste because someone said she
was attractive and would love to "get to know her" better, if you know what I
mean. Now how many women don't go through that every day and just shrug it off?
That's not so bad to hear. It's a compliment really.
But NO! Jeff pulled the entire thread because is had something to do with HIS
model, and HIS current tickling video for sale. Also his immature little model
said something like, "I don't appreciate that at all. I shouldn't ever come
here again maybe." Grow up Narin!
Today I saw a post on one of femfeets threads. Someone came out and said,
"Priscilla has a nice rack!"
And what? - Neither Jeff nor anyone pulled that post or thought twice about it.
Why? Because it didn't affect one of his models or one of his videos. Very lame
indeed Jeff. Double standard just like everyone has been saying about the tmf.
Might as well change the name of the tmf to "jeff's perfect world."
Did anyone else notice this discrepancy?