Extant Paramount Silents
El Dorado
ChaneyFan <chan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Dan asked me to post the extant Paramount silent features. This is a
tough
> question as it depends on how you define "Paramount." Is this just
Paramount,
> or does it include Famous Players Lasky, or Jesse Lasky, etc., etc.?
Let's
> start with the simple breakout. Some of these are incomplete and right
now I
> don't have time to annotate those. These are, obviously, Title then Year:
>
Many thanks, Jon, for posting this list. I appreciate the research you must
have had to do to come up with it.
I take it, then, that the number one title on my Paramount "wants list" is a
dead duck? I refer to the Nancy Carroll-Jack Holt feature "The Water Hole"
(1928).
Anyway, your list of extant titles gives hope to those of us who have
yearned for years to see some of these films, and who now have at least a
glimmer of hope that during our lifetimes, we may be able to view some of
them.
Thanks again
Dan Navarro
ChaneyFan
dead duck? I refer to the Nancy Carroll-Jack Holt feature "The Water Hole"
(1928).
Sorry, this is lost. :-(
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Robert Birchard
> ...and then how far do you want to carry this? There were lots of independents
> who released through Paramount or FPL and many consider these to be "Paramount"
> releases. For example:
>
> HOBART BOSWORTH PRODUCTIONS: (note: all but 2 of these are incomplete!)
>
> Blind Hearts 21
> Caprices of Kitty 15
> False Colours 14
> Hypocrites, The 15
> It's No Laughing Matter 15
> John Barleycorn 14
> Majesty of the Law 15
> Martin Eden 14
> Sea Lion, The 21
> Sunshine Molly 15
>
> Are we having fun yet?
Bosworth, Inc. was one of the founding members of Paramount Pictures--so the
Bosworth pictures definitely qualify as Paramounts. The Oiliver Morosco Photoplay
Co. was also part of Bosworth, Inc. (which was financed by Frank Garbutt) so
Morosco pictures are Paramounts. After Hobart Bosworth left Bosworth, Inc. in 1915
the company maintained its corporate identity as Bosworth, Inc. but released its
films under the Morosco and Pallas brands (so Pallas Pictures are also
Paramounts). In 1916, after the merger of Famous Players and Lasky, the Famous
Players-Lasky Corporation bought the interests of Bosworth, Inc. from Frank Garbutt
and Garbutt became a Paramount executive. Then FP-L absorbed Paramount Pictures,
the distributing company, but maintained the FP-L corporate name until 1927 when
the name was changed to Paramount-Famous-Lasky Corporation.
All of this is a long-winded way of saying that The Sea Lion (1921) is
neither a Bosworth, Inc. production nor a Paramount Picture.
--
Bob Birchard
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Arbuckles besides The Round Up, Life of the Party and Leap Year. Where
are these two potential gems hiding?
In article <20001215012520...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
chan...@aol.com (ChaneyFan) wrote:
> Dan asked me to post the extant Paramount silent features. This is a
tough
> question as it depends on how you define "Paramount." Is this just
Paramount,
> or does it include Famous Players Lasky, or Jesse Lasky, etc., etc.?
Let's
> start with the simple breakout. Some of these are incomplete and
right now I
> don't have time to annotate those. These are, obviously, Title then
Year:
>
> PARAMOUNT:
> Abie's Irish Rose 28
> Barbed Wire 27
> Beggars of Life 28
> Big Killing, The 28
> Chang 27
> Chinatown Nights 29
> Docks of New York, The 28
> Feel My Pulse 28
> Forgotten Faces 28
> Four Feathers, The 29
> Gentleman of Paris, A 27
> Get Your Man 27
> Hula 27
> Last Command, The 28
> Last Outlaw, The 27
> Legong 35
> Marquis Preferred 29
> Nevada 27
> Night of Mystery, A 28
> Old Homestead, The 22
> Old Ironsides 26
> Partners in Crime 28
> Rango 31
> Redskin 28
> Return of Dr. Fu Manchu, The 30
> Running Wild 27
> Senorita 27
> Shopworn Angel, The 29
> Showdown, The 28
> Stairs of Sand 29
> Stark Love 27
> Tabu 31
> Tell It to Sweeney 27
> Under the Tonto Rim 28
> Underworld 27
> Wedding March, The 28
> Wings 28
> Wise Fool, A 21
> Wolf Song 29
> Woman of the World, A 25
> Woman on Trial, The 27
>
> FAMOUS PLAYERS LASKY:
> Adam's Rib 23
> Affairs of Anatol, The 21
> Are Parents People? 25
> At the End of the World 21
> Beau Geste 26
> Bedroom Window, The 24
> Beggar On Horseback 25
> Behind Masks 21
> Behind the Front 26
> Behold My Wife 20
> Bella Donna 23
> Beyond 21
> Beyond the Rocks 22
> Blonde or Brunette 27
> Blood and Sand 22
> Blue Bird, The 18
> Bluff 24
> Bonded Woman, The 22
> Breaking Point, The 24
> Call of the Canyon, The 23
> Canadian, The 26
> Casey at the Bat 27
> Changing Husbands 24
> Children of Divorce 27
> Civilian Clothes 20
> Code of the Sea, The 24
> Conquest of Canaan, The 21
> Conrad In Quest of His Youth 20
> Copperhead, The 20
> Covered Wagon, The 23
> Crazy to Marry 21
> Crooked Streets 20
> Dancin' Fool, The 20
> Dancing Mothers 26
> Dark Mirror, The 20
> Diplomacy 26
> Don't Change Your Husband 19
> Doomsday 28
> Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde 20
> Eagle of the Sea, The 26
> Enemy Sex, The 24
> Eve's Secret 25
> Excuse My Dust 20
> Fair Week 24
> Fighting Coward, The 24
> Fine Manners 26
> Fool's Paradise 22
> For Better, For Worse 19
> Forbidden Fruit 21
> Forbidden Paradise 24
> Gasoline Gus 21
> Golden Bed, The 25
> Grand Duchess and the Waiter, The 26
> Grounds For Divorce 25
> Grumpy 23
> Hands Up! 26
> Hawthorne of the U.S.A. 19
> Heart Raider, The 23
> Her Husband's Trademark 22
> Heritage of the Desert, The 24
> Honor of His House, The 18
> Hotel Imperial 27
> Huckleberry Finn 20
> Humming Bird, The 23
> Idol of the North, The 21
> Idols of Clay 20
> Irish Luck 25
> It 27
> It's the Old Army Game 26
> Jack Straw 20
> Kick In 23
> Kid Boots 26
> King on Main Street, The 25
> Kiss For Cinderella, A 26
> Leap Year 21
> Let's Get Married 26
> Life of the Party, The 20
> Little Minister, The 21
> Little Miss Hoover 18
> Lord Jim 25
> Lost Romance, The 21
> Love 'Em and Leave 'Em 26
> Love Special, The 21
> Lovers in Quarantine 25
> Lucky Devil 25
> Lucky Lady, The 26
> Male and Female 19
> Man from Home, The 22
> Manhandled 24
> Mannequin 26
> Manslaughter 22
> Mantrap 26
> Midsummer Madness 20
> Miss Bluebeard 25
> Miss Lulu Bett 22
> Monsieur Beaucaire 24
> Moran of the Lady Letty 22
> Mrs. Temple's Telegram 20
> Mrs. Wiggs of the Cabbage Patch 19
> My Cousin 18
> New Klondike, The 26
> Night Club, The 25
> North of '36 24
> Old Wives For New 18
> Open All Night 24
> Padlocked 26
> Paths to Paradise 25
> Peter Pan 25
> Pied Piper Malone 24
> Pony Express, The 25
> Prunella 18
> Quarterback, The 26
> Right to Love, The 20
> Roaring Road, The 19
> Round-Up, The 20
> Saturday Night 22
> Sheik, The 21
> Shock Punch, The 25
> Show-Off, The 26
> Side Show of Life, The 24
> Sins of Rosanne, The 20
> Siren Call, The 22
> So's Your Old Man 26
> Something to Think About 20
> Son of His Father, A 25
> Song and Dance Man, The 26
> Sorrows of Satan, The 27
> Spanish Dancer, The 23
> Special Delivery 27
> Squaw Man, The 18
> Stage Struck 25
> Street of Forgotten Men, The 25
> Swan, The 25
> Ten Commandments, The 23
> Terror Island 20
> That's My Baby 26
> Three Live Ghosts 22
> Till I Come Back to You 18
> To the Last Man 23
> Told In the Hills 19
> Too Many Kisses 25
> Too Wise Wives 21
> Triumph 24
> Under the Top 18
> Vanishing American, The 26
> Volcano 26
> Wanderer, The 26
> We're in the Navy Now 26
> Welcome Home 25
> What's Your Hurry? 20
> Whispering Chorus, The 18
> White Man's Law, The 18
> Why Change Your Wife? 20
> Why Smith Left Home 19
> Wild Bill Hickok 23
> Wild Horse Mesa 25
> Witching Hour, The 21
> Witness For The Defense, The 19
> Woman Who Walked Alone, The 22
> Womanhandled 25
> World's Champion, The 22
> You Never Know Women 26
> You'd Be Surprised 26
> You're Fired 19
> Young Rajah, The 22
> Zaza 23
>
> LASKY:
> American Consul, The 17
> Bottle Imp, The 17
> Call of the North, The 14
> Captive, The 15
> Carmen 15
> Castles For Two 17
> Cheat, The 15
> Chimmie Fadden Out West 15
> Circus Man, The 14
> Each Pearl a Tear 16
> Evil Eye, The a/Woman's Victory, A 17
> For the Defense 16
> Forbidden Paths 17
> Gentleman of Leisure, A 15
> Girl at Home, The 17
> Girl of the Golden West, The 15
> Golden Chance, The 16
> Golden Fetter, The 17
> Governor's Lady, The 15
> Heart of Nora Flynn, The 16
> Heir to the Hoorah, The 16
> Kindling 15
> Lost and Won 17
> Man from Home, The 14
> Man on the Box 14
> Maria Rosa 16
> Mormon Maid, A 17
> Mr. Grex of Monte Carlo 15
> Public Opinion 16
> Ready Money 14
> Rose of the Rancho 14
> Sacrifice 17
> Secret Game, The 17
> Secret Sin, The 15
> Sowers, The 16
> Squaw Man, The 14
> Tennessee's Pardner 16
> Trail of the Lonesome Pine, The 16
> Unafraid, The 15
> Unknown, The 15
> Victoria Cross, The 16
> Victory of Conscience 16
> Virginian, The 14
> Warrens of Virginia, The 15
> What's His Name 14
> Winning of Sally Temple 17
> Years of the Locust, The 16
> Young Romance 14
>
> ...and then how far do you want to carry this? There were lots of
independents
> who released through Paramount or FPL and many consider these to
be "Paramount"
> releases. For example:
>
> HOBART BOSWORTH PRODUCTIONS: (note: all but 2 of these are
incomplete!)
>
> Blind Hearts 21
> Caprices of Kitty 15
> False Colours 14
> Hypocrites, The 15
> It's No Laughing Matter 15
> John Barleycorn 14
> Majesty of the Law 15
> Martin Eden 14
> Sea Lion, The 21
> Sunshine Molly 15
>
> Are we having fun yet?
> ===============================
> Jon Mirsalis
> e-mail: Chan...@aol.com
> Lon Chaney Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan
> Jon's Film Sites: http://members.aol.com/ChaneyFan/jonfilm.htm
>
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Dr. Giraud
> Woman on Trial, The 27
> Beyond the Rocks 22
Are either of these complete?
> Grand Duchess and the Waiter, The 26
Great! Adolphe Menjou wrote in his autobiography that this was his
favorite of his Paramount films.
> Are we having fun yet?
>
YES. Your hard work & research are greatly appreciated.
Shawn Stone
Chris Connelly
Any ideal who has THE HEART RAIDER (23)? That's been high on my list for
years.
Thanks again!
Chris Connelly
SRydzewski
I know everyone in this newsgroup appreciates you taking the time to jot all
those Paramount titles down (as well as listing some early Mary Thurman titles
for me a while back), and all the other work you've done.
My question to you, what are your resources for all this information?
Thanks!
Steve Rydzewski (Phila)
ChaneyFan
Arbuckles besides The Round Up, Life of the Party and Leap Year. Where
are these two potential gems hiding?
CRAZY TO MARRY is at Gosfilmofond in Moscow. GASOLINE GUS is at the Czech Film
Archive.
ChaneyFan
years.
George Eastman House has it, but I don't know if it is 16mm or 35mm.
ChaneyFan
This is at MOMA. I don't know if it is complete.
> Beyond the Rocks 22
This survives only as a fragment in the Nederlands Filmuseum.
> Grand Duchess and the Waiter, The 26
This is actually quite common and a number of folks in this group probably have
16mm prints, although I believe it survives only as a Kodascope version. (Earl
might comment on what material LOC has.) It's a charming picture, but not
great IMO.
ChaneyFan
the
Bosworth pictures definitely qualify as Paramounts. The Oiliver Morosco
Paramounts. After Hobart Bosworth left Bosworth, Inc. in 1915 the company
maintained its corporate identity as Bosworth, Inc. but released its films
under the Morosco and Pallas brands (so Pallas Pictures are also
Paramounts).
That's my point. OK, in the interest of fairness, I amend my earlier list to
include the following additional extant "Paramount" titles:
OLIVER MOROSCO PRODUCTIONS: (note, all but 4 of these are incomplete)
Code of Marcia Gray 16
Happiness of Three Women, The 17
Her Father's Son 16
His Sweetheart 17
House of Lies, The 16
International Marriage, An 16
Jane 15
Kilmeny 15
Madame La Presidente 16
Making of Maddalena, The 16
Marcellini Millions, The 17
Out of the Wreck 17
Pasquale 16
Peer Gynt 15
Redeeming Love 16
Road to Love, The 16
Stronger Love, The 16
Tom Sawyer 17
Tongues of Men, The 16
Yankee Girl, The 15
PALLAS PRODUCTIONS (note: *all* are incomplete)
Ben Blair 16
Bond Between, The 17
Call of the Cumberlands, The 16
Gentleman from Indiana, The 15
Heart of Paula, The 16
Heir of the Ages, The 17
Lonesome Chap, The 17
Son of Erin, A 16
ChaneyFan
I've posted on this before, but it's been awhile so I'll repost my standard
blurb and disclaimer on where this info comes from.
For starters, I have constructed a database of all American produced silent
features compiled from numerous sources (AFI books, Film Daily yearbooks,
copyright records, etc.) I also have databases of all pre-1950 American and
British sound films. Of these, the American 30's is pretty complete, but the
others are somewhat more spotty for archival holdings...but I digress.
Incidentally...this was built the hard way, typing in title, release year,
studio, etc. for some 25,000 or so features! I obviously did most of the grunt
work back when I was single and childless and had no life whatsoever.
For the last 17 years or so I have compared these release lists against every
archival holding I can find. These include:
---complete holdings lists of LOC, UCLA, MOMA, Eastman House, Pacific Film
Archive, University of Wisconsin-Madison. Most of these were gotten the hard
way...by going to the archive and flipping through index cards or paper
printouts.
---the nitrate donation list for LOC (this was a photocopy about 4 feet thick!)
---the FIAF silent archive listing from 1983 with American holdings of all FIAF
archives (which is pretty much all film archives in the world).
---the studio vault list for MGM (including Metro and Goldwyn releases)
---misc. archival records from a variety of sources such as the Hampton
collection at UCLA, the Everson collection at Eastman, etc.
In addition, I scrutinize lists from every film festival I can find (Cinecon,
Cinefest, Cinevent, Pordenone, BFI Theater, PFA, Stanford Theater, Film Forum,
LOC Mary Pickford Thearer, etc., etc.) looking for silents and noting the
sources. I have also been following the 16mm collector market for about 25
years taking notes on what prints collectors hold.
Through these sources I have compiled what I believe to be the most complete
archival holdings list of American silent features anywhere (and the American
30's list is pretty good too). Earl and others will probably attest to the
accuracy of this list compared with "official" archive lists.
Can I be wrong? Of course. Some things I include because someone got a
nitrate, then I learn the nitrate decomposed (drat!). Other times there are
new finds that I had no record of...although these get publicized and I then
add them to my list. Sometimes I show something as complete, but it's only a
fragment, or the converse is true. Every year I add another dozen or so titles
I didn't previously list, and I'm making corrections all the time. In fact,
every year for the past several years there has been at least one film shown at
Cinefest that I showed as "lost." Oooops.
But overall, you aren't going to find very many titles that I say are lost that
really exist. If I declare it as lost it means none of the major archives have
it, it hasn't shown at a major film festival, and no major colllector has it.
Sure, it might be in someone's attic. When they find it I'll add it to my
list!
I'm happy to respond to specific requests as to the survival and/or archival
location of certain films, and I prefer to respond publicly so everyone can
share the info. I just ask that you (a) not post lists of 50 titles as a
request and (b) don't give me something vague like "which Snitz Edwards films
exist?"
As long as you accept the limitations of the database (any list is only as
accurate as the sources consulted), you'll find it fairly useful.
Richard M Roberts
>
> >>>Whoa! Crazy to Marry and Gasoline Gus??!! That means two additional
> Arbuckles besides The Round Up, Life of the Party and Leap Year. Where
> are these two potential gems hiding?
>
> CRAZY TO MARRY is at Gosfilmofond in Moscow. GASOLINE GUS is at the Czech Film
> Archive.
> ===============================
> Jon Mirsalis
Which means CRAZY TO MARRY probably has all of the gags cut out and the
print of GASOLINE GUS is all beat to hell. Still, has any American
archive gotten ahold of this material yet?
RICHARD M ROBERTS
Bebede58
<<'m happy to respond to specific requests as to the survival and/>>
Bebe Daniels film "The Speed Girl", which was based on Bebe's own speeding
violation which led to her stay in jail back in 1921, is this film been lost or
is it also been restored? I didn't see it on the list for Paramount extant
films
Tina M. DeSoto
greta de groat
Moment Before on your list. I guess that's pre-Paramount, but since you listed
the Lasky's ...
greta
ChaneyFan
>>>Jon, what about just Famous Players? I don't see The Love that Lives or The
Moment Before on your list. I guess that's pre-Paramount, but since you listed
the Lasky's ...
Ooops. You're absolutely right. Let's amend the list one more time:
FAMOUS PLAYERS:
Arms and the Girl 17
Behind the Scenes 14
Cinderella 14
Count of Monte Cristo, The 13
David Harum 15
Destiny's Toy 16
Eagle's Mate, The 14
Foundling, The 16
Hulda From Holland 16
Incorrigible Dukane, The 15
Love That Lives, The 17
Madame Butterfly 15
Mistress Nell 14
Moment Before, The 16
Prisoner of Zenda, The 13
Rags 15
Rolling Stones 16
Sign of the Cross, The 14
Silks and Satins 16
Snow White 16
Tess of the Storm Country 14
ChaneyFan
violation which led to her stay in jail back in 1921, is this film been lost or
is it also been restored? I didn't see it on the list for Paramount extant
THE SPEED GIRL is a Realart Production so it wouldn't be on the Paramount list,
but it is also list so it wouldn't have shown up anyway.
ChaneyFan
list,
but it is also list so it wouldn't have shown up anyway
Sorry...typing too fast. I meant to say "it is also *lost*...."
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Or do we have contacts at either of these fine institutions? Bob?
Mike S.