Osteopathic Physicians
Karvette38
Do any FMers out there see a Dr. of Osteopathy? I was just wondering if they
were, what the treatment was, is this a better Dr. to see than a Rheumy? I live
in Smithtown, Long Island, and would like to know if there are any good
Osteopaths out there who deal with the symptoms of FM. Thank you!! Karen
Nanny
Karen, an Osteopath is a "step up" from a chiropractor and can prescribe
medications. The only disadvantage is that many of them still do not
recognize FMS as a legitimate condition; while a rheumy should be trained
to not only recognize, but treat FMS. I suppose there are exceptions to
the rule, however, and you should be direct in asking the Dr. of
Osteopathy if he is knowledgeable about FMS. Nanny
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VSteen
Personally I would suggest a rheumatologist before an osteopath. Personally
an osteopath would be the last doctor I would go to for anything. In fact I
wouldn't let one examine my psychotic poodle either.
When I went to the hospital last June hemorrhaging out of my nose after
sinus surgery and removal of nodules and a septoplasty I needed to have a
"plug" put it. Well this plug is about 6 inches long and it's shaped like a
tongue depressor. My nose felt like raw meat as the surgery had only been
two days before. This Osteopath who was on duty at ER told me that I didn't
need any pain medications, that he doesn't give pain medications and he was
a thorough jerk. I ended up in Mpls. for a week bed bound in the hospital
and given two Percocet and a Demerol shot every four hours as deemed fit by
my ENT specialist to treat the pain that this condition caused. I don't
like osteopaths and had been afraid he would be the doc on duty in ER when
I arrived there, he is my worst nightmare.
Vicki PS: There is an article about osteopaths on the Skeptic's page. I put
the url on the ng about a week ago.
Dot t
My experience with osteopaths on the east coast was exactly the same as
MD's
One of the best gastroenterologist i've known was an osteopaths, but
there has always been the stigma that these are the guy who couldn't get
into regular med schools. I think that's an idea whose time has past.
There are terrible jerks in all ER's whether md or do. They know you're
just passing through and they want to get on the next patient w/o
waiting for pain med to take.
In the past they were taught some kind of spine manipulation, but they
don't use it anymore. They treat you like md's, that is they don't touch
you or look at you. My experience with most drs is they take your BP and
grab the rx pad and push you out the door. They don't even touch, you
let alone manipulate you. I believe it's a very individual thing. md and
do are synonomous now. Dot
JStubbs358
>Karen, an Osteopath is a "step up" from a chiropractor and can prescribe
>medications.
Oh how wrong you can be----An Osteopath recieves virtually the same training as
an MD with the addition ofmanual manipulation. Not all continue to use
manipulation in the future. At least in San Antonio we have some excellent
ones-The allergist- Bruce Martin and anesthesiologistRobbins are excellent and
I see Wm. Thomas Crow for manipulative treatments every other week-he's the
best diagnostician I,ve come across.Each of these drs take time to talk about
whats going on in my life that might effect my health,my fears and concerns as
well as what's wrong. Dr. Crow will treat you using conventionally,or more
natural remedies or a mixture of both. All 3 seem to be very up on
FM-especially Crow.That's My experience.
judy
VSteen
Here is a site that has information about Osteopaths. Unfortunately I knew
this doctor from previous experience with him at the clinic I worked at. One
nice thing about working at a clinic is you get to know who the good and bad
doctors are. He was a bad one. I asked for another physician at the ER, but
there was no one else on duty, unfortunate problem living in a small town.
Vicki http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/QA/osteo.html
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"Nanny" <dorl...@ohio.tds.net> wrote:
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> Karen, an Osteopath is a "step up" from a chiropractor and can prescribe
> medications.
and........
>Personally I would suggest a rheumatologist before an osteopath. Personally
>an osteopath would be the last doctor I would go to for anything. In fact I
>wouldn't let one examine my psychotic poodle either.
Although I cant help ya w/ your poodle, let me clarify what a DO is:
A D.O.(Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine) is equivalently trained to an M.D.
Both are 4 yr medical degrees. DOs take the same courses, same board exams,
do the same residencies, do the same specialties, and practice in the same
hospitals alongside their M.D. colleagues. The ONLY difference is that DOs
take an additonal course in manual medicine in their first 2 yrs. Only about
15% of DOs continue to use these techniques in their practices.
There are 40,000 DOs, and 700,000 MDs in the USA. There are 144 medical
colleges in the USA, 20 of them being Osteopathic College of Medicine.
Also, the term *osteopath* went out in the early 60s...no longer used.
Osteopathic medical doctor, osteopathic physician, or just 'hey you' is the
contemporary moniker.
I am sorry that you had an unhappy experience w/ an ER doc. Turns out he was
a DO. More likely statistically he would have been a MD or Foreign MD. But
he/she was a DO and rubbed you the wrong way. Unfortunate. I assure you it
had nothing to do w/ his medical training. And I guarantee that you will hear
more from people whose favorite doctors are DOs, than those have had bad
encounters w/ a DO.
I hope this has shed a little light on what a DO is, and is not. It's always
good to look into things for yourself, and not base your healthcare decisions
on hearsay or an individuals anecdotal experiences.
Bryan Maxwell, MSc
MS2, The Univ. of Health Sciences-Kansas City
Osteopathic College of Medicine
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Just a note about that QuackWatch info: It is glaringly inaccurate regarding
the osteopathic profession. My background is as a research scientist, trained
in an MD-college, now a DO medical student, so I do not have a particular axe
to grind. I have played both sides of the fence. I am also generally a fan of
QuackWatch. That said, there are many inaccuracies and misstatements in
Steve's article on osteopathic medicine. His data is 20 yrs off the mark
where it is even accurate. Remember, there are 40,000 DOs and 700,000 MDs.
Chances are you will find many more MDs carrying out questionable medical
practices than DOs, just by sheer numbers. And I would argur that the %'s
would be no different. As far as manipulation, it is great for low back pain
(as Steve points out). I feel few DOs do it b/c of fears of misperceptions by
the lay public. The quackwatch site unfortunately adds further confusion to
the mix. Cranial manipulation is a fringe element that is considered so by
BOTH the osteopathic *AND* allopathic communities. So is chelation, etc.
Please judge the individual practitioner by his bedside manner, reputation,
and individual competency, NOT by the letters after his name.
(BTW, the QuackWatch authors wife is also an MD...and her partners are DOs!)
Cheers,
Bryan
Laurie
There are three excellent osteopaths in my city.
I have found them to be more thorough and more knowledgable about FMS
than any Rhuematologist that I've been to. They look at the condition
from all angles and try many different approaches. They also are open
to some alternative type therapy.
I think you should form your own opinion about the Drs. in your area as
far as FM.
Laurie
emily
I am not crazy about osteopaths. I fell in Maine a long time ago with only
an osteopath available. He would pull on my horrible painful leg and say I
don't think it is broken, so WALK on it! Which I couldn't. Eventually I
got to Portland to a hospital where an x-ray showed a break"! At that
point I had been 5 days without even aspirin! What a nightmare!
But that was in 1940. The leg is fine on that line, but awful with
tingling, numbness, and pain from FM. So, I have never been fond of them!
Yours in 'Christ, Emily
VSteen <blue...@runestone.net> wrote in article
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> Personally I would suggest a rheumatologist before an osteopath.
Personally
> an osteopath would be the last doctor I would go to for anything. In fact
I
> wouldn't let one examine my psychotic poodle either.
>
DNelson206
I have some experince with doctors of Osteopathy and generaly have had better
luck especialy if something is pulled out of alingment the ones I have seen
don't seem quite as high and mighty as MD specialist I have been bringing in
information a few weeks before an appointment it seems to help..
Good luck sorry good not be of more help
Dave
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In article <01bd6356$f7085e60$779082d1@unknownu>,
"emily" <pau...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> I am not crazy about osteopaths. I fell in Maine a long time ago with only
> an osteopath available. He would pull on my horrible painful leg and say I
> don't think it is broken, so WALK on it! Which I couldn't. Eventually I
> got to Portland to a hospital where an x-ray showed a break"! At that
> point I had been 5 days without even aspirin! What a nightmare!
>
> But that was in 1940. The leg is fine on that line, but awful with
> tingling, numbness, and pain from FM. So, I have never been fond of them!
> Yours in 'Christ, Emily
Again, that was one maine osteopath in 1940!! did they even have x-ray and
aspirin in 1940?? ;-) Just kidding.
Let's not all pile on this one. How 'bout a few stories about crappy MDs.
Anyone have any stories in that regard...............
When your different you sure stick out, and everything you do is measured.
Peace,
Dot t
didn't you read my post bryan? I said they all stink about equally. But
seriously gave credit to the best gastroenterologists i knew who was a
do. And i think most of us know that the training is the same now.
But I still say that there may have been some benefits to touching a
patient, which is not done by almost anyone anymore.
My husband and i were laughing the other day when i doctor ordered a
sigmoidoscope with no reason (he had had a baseline) what struck us
funny is that the dr doesn't look in you eyes or mouth or ears anymore
but wants to do invasive procedures whenever ins will pay.
Dot
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In article <6gjejh$io7$1...@newsd-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
DOTAN...@webtv.net (Dot t) wrote:
>
> didn't you read my post bryan? I said they all stink about equally
>
Missed that one, Dot. But I'm glad to stink as equally as the MDs...no more
or less, just equally! ;-)
Listen, you give me a few more years(I get my degree in May 2000)and then
look me up. I'll take the best care of you I can. I'll listen..and I'll ACT
like I'm listen also!
I wish I could do more for you all now. Take care.
Acmflan
I saw 3 different MD's who told me that my fibro was "all in my head". The
only doctor who understood and helped me cope with and treat the various
symptoms was a DO. I will continue to see DOs and avoid MD's whenever
possible. I like the aspect of my entire body and psyche being treated
together. Thank you for listening.
DINEL
The best Orthopod I have had experience with, and in the past dealing with
physicians was what I did for a living, happened to be a D.O.
I'm also rather sorry the old breed of D.O. who practiced medicine on the whole
person inclucing spinal manipulation is decreasing.
I have a graduate degree in the Health Care profession and introduced a segment
of "What it Means to be a DO" to the College of Public Health in my community.
I'm very sorry you had a bad experience with an ER doc. There is a time warp
where many physicians who were doing ER medicine were doctors who had problems
with a practice or other things elsewhere. I'm happy to say in the last 10
years, the quality of the ER physician to be found in the average hospital,
whether an M.D. or a D.O. has risen substantially.
Also one last thought, there are D.O. Rheumatology Docs.