FurryMUCK
Gray
FurryMUCK?
They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to type, I just
pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the usual form-letter
telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I typed up ALL the
required details and emailed back. The next day I got a reply saying my
request was denied because my email was sent from Yahoo, and apparently
they don't like Yahoo - although they never said in the FAQ thingy that I
couldn't use 'em.
So... I emailed AGAIN, this time using my paid ISP (NTL) account. The next
day (this is very slow correspondance) I get no reply, just the form
letter. I email back YET AGAIN to ask what the hell is going on, and
APPARENTLY the email they received was blank - this has never, ever
happened with my email server before, so it was almost certainly a tech
problem on their behalf (although they'd never admit it, oh no, it must be
MY email client that's having problems).
So I email AGAIN, using my paid ISP account. What happens? My request is
denied again, 'cuz apparently I used Yahoo - WRONG, if they'd checked the
message headers, they'd see that the email originated from NTL, I just had
Reply-To set to my Yahoo account, for my convenience. But they're too
stupid and closed-minded to even bother checking the message headers, with
their "holier than thou" attitude...
So... this is my last-ditch effort, I set my NTL mail to its "factory"
settings, sent the goddamn information AGAIN... and now I'm waiting for a
reply. If they tell me there's some problem this time, I'm just giving up.
Now, am I the only person who is having so many problems? I know they must
be busy, but taking about a day to reply to a simple email is just
ridiculous, and their attitude is REALLY beginning to annoy me (we run the
MUCK so we must be always right). I don't even know why the hell I bother
trying to join, it doesn't seem worth it. Perhaps I should just stick to
Furscape - I requested a character there, and about 2 minutes later I was
signed up.
Well, now that I've had my rant, I'm off to try out this translated copy of
Romancing Saga 3. *growls at the world in general, then slinks off*
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> Am I the only person who is having A LOT OF TROUBLE trying to join
> FurryMUCK?
Er. No....
> They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to type, I just
> pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the usual form-letter
> telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I typed up ALL the
> required details and emailed back. The next day I got a reply saying my
> request was denied because my email was sent from Yahoo, and apparently
> they don't like Yahoo - although they never said in the FAQ thingy that I
> couldn't use 'em.
Now to act on their defence as I have been on staff on a muck before and I
do know how much hard work it is to actually help run the thing. Believe me
it takes up a lot of time here.. But FurryMuck is like any other muck.
They have to make sure that you have a valid non free easy to get email
account such as Yahoo for example. Some have even banned AOL because AOL is
just er.... Not wanting to sort out it's users from abusing the system but
it boils down to this one thing.
They have to know where to contact you if you cause trouble or hack their
machine. They can't get that from a free email account as information can
be forged and not the proper ones. There's nothing to change this way so I
get used to it.
> So... I emailed AGAIN, this time using my paid ISP (NTL) account. The next
> day (this is very slow correspondance) I get no reply, just the form
> letter. I email back YET AGAIN to ask what the hell is going on, and
> APPARENTLY the email they received was blank - this has never, ever
> happened with my email server before, so it was almost certainly a tech
> problem on their behalf (although they'd never admit it, oh no, it must be
> MY email client that's having problems).
Sometimes it can happen. But they can only recieve on what you send out so
maybe it could be your NTL SMTP server. Doesn't matter if it never happened
before. Mistakes on a ISP can and will happen....
> So I email AGAIN, using my paid ISP account. What happens? My request is
> denied again, 'cuz apparently I used Yahoo - WRONG, if they'd checked the
> message headers, they'd see that the email originated from NTL, I just had
> Reply-To set to my Yahoo account, for my convenience. But they're too
> stupid and closed-minded to even bother checking the message headers, with
> their "holier than thou" attitude...
No. This is why. Anyone can set up a email account but they can't change
in theory the reply-to field so that's the one that mucks usually check to
see where it came from in the first place. Since it was back to the banned
list of email account domains it would fail. It is their server, their time
and money so they can in respect have what rules setup on how to join....
> So... this is my last-ditch effort, I set my NTL mail to its "factory"
> settings, sent the goddamn information AGAIN... and now I'm waiting for a
> reply. If they tell me there's some problem this time, I'm just giving up.
That is your choice but I don't think it will this time around....
> Now, am I the only person who is having so many problems? I know they must
> be busy, but taking about a day to reply to a simple email is just
> ridiculous, and their attitude is REALLY beginning to annoy me (we run the
> MUCK so we must be always right). I don't even know why the hell I bother
> trying to join, it doesn't seem worth it. Perhaps I should just stick to
> Furscape - I requested a character there, and about 2 minutes later I was
> signed up.
There is one thing to remember about FurryMuck. It's a lot bigger, they
have request coming in daily, have to sort out problem guests if any,
players with problems, coding probs, etc, etc, etc..... A lot goes on with
running a muck and even more so with one of that side.
Do I work for FurryMuck. No I don't but I do know what it is like elsemu.
I have nearly gotten up to WIZ level but frankly..... With the amount of
work that goes on I wasn't able to take on that extra bit of time at the
time when it came to me. Staff was just enough then.
Gray. It is their server and all. They have their rules set up and you are
after all allowed to access it as a privillage and not a right as most
players on mucks think so. Remember that and you get on fine but some mucks
without a large userbase can get you on quickly. Those with over a thousand
players, though not all connect at once may take a while to get you on. It
is after all one of the small things that they have to do to keep the system
running :o)
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Gray
<8nkhr1$lsi$1...@raccoon.fur.com>:
>"Gray" <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8F9567D0makow...@62.253.162.107...
>> Am I the only person who is having A LOT OF TROUBLE trying to join
>> FurryMUCK?
>
>Er. No....
>
>> They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to type, I
>> just pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the usual
>> form-letter telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I typed
>> up ALL the required details and emailed back. The next day I got a
>> reply saying my request was denied because my email was sent from
>> Yahoo, and apparently they don't like Yahoo - although they never said
>> in the FAQ thingy that I couldn't use 'em.
>
>Now to act on their defence as I have been on staff on a muck before and
>I do know how much hard work it is to actually help run the thing.
>Believe me it takes up a lot of time here.. But FurryMuck is like any
>other muck.
>
>They have to make sure that you have a valid non free easy to get email
>account such as Yahoo for example. Some have even banned AOL because
>AOL is just er.... Not wanting to sort out it's users from abusing the
>system but it boils down to this one thing.
>
>They have to know where to contact you if you cause trouble or hack
>their machine. They can't get that from a free email account as
>information can be forged and not the proper ones. There's nothing to
>change this way so I get used to it.
Umm, actually I know of a few ISP's that provide email addresses where the
information can easily be falsified. No, I've never done it, but what I'm
saying is - it *is* possible. Also, I know of a few paid ISP's that *don't*
give you email access - and of the ones that do, I've never yet used an ISP
that didn't have recurring problems with their email servers. That's why I
gave up and moved to Yahoo.
>
>> So... I emailed AGAIN, this time using my paid ISP (NTL) account. The
>> next day (this is very slow correspondance) I get no reply, just the
>> form letter. I email back YET AGAIN to ask what the hell is going on,
>> and APPARENTLY the email they received was blank - this has never,
>> ever happened with my email server before, so it was almost certainly
>> a tech problem on their behalf (although they'd never admit it, oh no,
>> it must be MY email client that's having problems).
>
>Sometimes it can happen. But they can only recieve on what you send out
>so maybe it could be your NTL SMTP server. Doesn't matter if it never
>happened before. Mistakes on a ISP can and will happen....
True, but I use the NTL SMTP server for pretty much everything, and it's
just a coincidence that it just *happens* to be this one email that gets
messed up? In my experience, 90% of email problems are caused by the POP3
server...
>
>> So I email AGAIN, using my paid ISP account. What happens? My request
>> is denied again, 'cuz apparently I used Yahoo - WRONG, if they'd
>> checked the message headers, they'd see that the email originated from
>> NTL, I just had Reply-To set to my Yahoo account, for my convenience.
>> But they're too stupid and closed-minded to even bother checking the
>> message headers, with their "holier than thou" attitude...
>
>No. This is why. Anyone can set up a email account but they can't
>change in theory the reply-to field so that's the one that mucks usually
>check to see where it came from in the first place. Since it was back
>to the banned list of email account domains it would fail. It is their
>server, their time and money so they can in respect have what rules
>setup on how to join....
True, but on the other hand, if their rules are too strict, people aren't
going to want to join. I can't be the first person who's considered just
giving up and not even bothering with it, and I won't be the last either.
Perhaps if they were just a little less arrogant, they'd get a lot more
people joining.
>
>> So... this is my last-ditch effort, I set my NTL mail to its "factory"
>> settings, sent the goddamn information AGAIN... and now I'm waiting
>> for a reply. If they tell me there's some problem this time, I'm just
>> giving up.
>
>That is your choice but I don't think it will this time around....
I hope not. If there's any more problems, ANYTHING, that's it, I'm just
forgetting about FurryMUCK. I only have so much patience, and when I'm not
feeling my best, my patience is much shorter...
>
>> Now, am I the only person who is having so many problems? I know they
>> must be busy, but taking about a day to reply to a simple email is
>> just ridiculous, and their attitude is REALLY beginning to annoy me
>> (we run the MUCK so we must be always right). I don't even know why
>> the hell I bother trying to join, it doesn't seem worth it. Perhaps I
>> should just stick to Furscape - I requested a character there, and
>> about 2 minutes later I was signed up.
>
>There is one thing to remember about FurryMuck. It's a lot bigger, they
>have request coming in daily, have to sort out problem guests if any,
>players with problems, coding probs, etc, etc, etc..... A lot goes on
>with running a muck and even more so with one of that side.
>
>Do I work for FurryMuck. No I don't but I do know what it is like
>elsemu. I have nearly gotten up to WIZ level but frankly..... With the
>amount of work that goes on I wasn't able to take on that extra bit of
>time at the time when it came to me. Staff was just enough then.
>
>Gray. It is their server and all. They have their rules set up and you
>are after all allowed to access it as a privillage and not a right as
>most players on mucks think so. Remember that and you get on fine but
>some mucks without a large userbase can get you on quickly. Those with
>over a thousand players, though not all connect at once may take a while
>to get you on. It is after all one of the small things that they have
>to do to keep the system running :o)
It's not their rules I have a problem with, it's the fact that I've been
waiting about 4 days now, every email I send has some tiny little problem
which means that it's rejected.
If it was any other MUCK I'd have given up already, about the only reason
I've been this patient is because I know it's about the biggest furry MUCK
around (hell, it's even *called* FurryMUCK), but there's only so far my
patience will last.
I'm already in a bad mood 'cuz of being unwell and all, then Takena the oh-
so-superior avian gets me in a worse mood, and there's all these problems
trying to join some stupid MUCK... *sighs* It's one of those situations
where I just consider going offline for about two or three weeks. I did
that once before, maybe I should do it again...
Gray
>Gray <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>: Am I the only person who is having A LOT OF TROUBLE trying to join
>: FurryMUCK?
>
>: They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to type, I
>: just pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the usual
>: form-letter telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I typed
>: up ALL the required details and emailed back. The next day I got a
>: reply saying my request was denied because my email was sent from
>: Yahoo, and apparently they don't like Yahoo - although they never said
>: in the FAQ thingy that I couldn't use 'em.
>
>Unfortunately, they've had enough problems with troublemakers using
>throw away accounts on free e-mail servers that they no longer accept
>those for character requests. Due to the ease of changing screen names
>and the impossibility of tracing them back to the owner, they won't
>accept AOL addresses either. Essentially, if you aren't getting your
>e-mail from a service that can shut off service and keep it off if you
>cause problems then you can't use said account to get a character. A
>number of the other Mucks have similar policies. As for the header
>thing, you might have included that info in the e-mail so they'd have
>knon to look. Mucks are run for free by those nice enough to volunteer
>their time and in a lot of cases money to keep the game going for the
>players. They aren't likely going to spend an inordinant amount of time
>checking headers on every character request they get.
>
Well it's not a matter of looking at the headers even, the actual "From"
text contained my NTL email address! But, it seems, they couldn't even
spend about five seconds looking up at the top of the screen, instead they
just rely on message filters or something similar, and automatically assume
that because the Reply-To is a Yahoo address, that the email *must* have
originated there.
I've been trying a few other (non-furry) MUCKs lately, and *none* of them
have given me this hassle - on the contrary, they have *all* accepted my
Yahoo address without even asking any questions. It seems to me that the
people at FurryMUCK are just paranoid.
Relee
>be busy, but taking about a day to reply to a simple email is just
>ridiculous, and their attitude is REALLY beginning to annoy me (we run the
>MUCK so we must be always right). I don't even know why the hell I bother
>trying to join, it doesn't seem worth it. Perhaps I should just stick to
>Furscape - I requested a character there, and about 2 minutes later I was
>signed up.
Unless it's gotten better than the first time I went there, I doubt
it's worth it. I wonder though if I went there not long after it was
built? It seemed kinda big back then but there was about as much
population as in Furscape now.
And I do like those furscape guys, for me one of the wizzes made my
character on the spot, without even needing to open my e-mail.
>Well, now that I've had my rant, I'm off to try out this translated copy of
>Romancing Saga 3. *growls at the world in general, then slinks off*
If you find the people who translated that, please hit them in the arm
gently for being mean. Jiggles the Doughy Mule and company were
working on it and someone else who hadn't even announced that they
were working on it translated it (Badly, btw)
So Jiggles work was for naught.
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David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
[...]
>Well it's not a matter of looking at the headers even, the actual "From"
>text contained my NTL email address! But, it seems, they couldn't even
>spend about five seconds looking up at the top of the screen
Yes but the only way they could check that is by sending email to it.
I can send email from a totaly faked email address and set the
reply-to address to a yahho address.
[...]
>I've been trying a few other (non-furry) MUCKs lately, and *none* of them
>have given me this hassle - on the contrary, they have *all* accepted my
>Yahoo address without even asking any questions. It seems to me that the
>people at FurryMUCK are just paranoid.
Paranoia often comes from frequent abuse.
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Gray
always do in MUCKs, so could anyone help me out here? Of course, I'm called
Gray on FurryMUCK (I'm surprised no-one used the name already, but I'm not
complaining).
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Red Jack
>
> Not really paranoid, just large. It's the biggest muck on the net I
> believe. Because of that, they have to deal with more twinks than a lot of
> smaller mucks and therefore have more rules to help deal with such. It can
> make things a bit of a hassle for those who do behave.
Plus you have to understand about alternate characters(alts), you can
have up to two, but of course use of web mail and AOL would allow you to
stretch that, cutting off the number of names available on the muck. One
person with a couple webmail accounts can cause a rather amazing amount
of trouble.
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Red Jack
> True, but on the other hand, if their rules are too strict, people aren't
> going to want to join. I can't be the first person who's considered just
> giving up and not even bothering with it, and I won't be the last either.
> Perhaps if they were just a little less arrogant, they'd get a lot more
> people joining.
Umm, they're not having a problem there, its common when I get on at
night to find out that 400 to 500 furs are logged on at one time.
> >
> >That is your choice but I don't think it will this time around....
>
> I hope not. If there's any more problems, ANYTHING, that's it, I'm just
> forgetting about FurryMUCK. I only have so much patience, and when I'm not
> feeling my best, my patience is much shorter...
Have you tried using the form on their website? My sending problems were
solved because the return email addy got filled in my MSIE, so I just
had to find and change that, far easier than changing my mail settings
on the system.
>
> It's not their rules I have a problem with, it's the fact that I've been
> waiting about 4 days now, every email I send has some tiny little problem
> which means that it's rejected.
Whelp, do keep in mind, turn around on the applications is 1 to 2 days
not counting Sat and Sun, so it hasn't been that long, and in fact
you've been lucky with the speed of the responses(a yes would have been
nice of course). Also, did you make sure the name you chose hasn't been
taken? That will shoot you down too, unless you're lucky, and they
decide to rename you(once on, you're character's name can easily be
changed, just ask me or a member of the staff).
Kardokis
recently, but I accidentally hit the 'mark all read' button. 80+ messages went
under and could not be recovered. A memorial service will be held soon.
While I'm at it, would someone also please explain ICQ, IRC, Yiffnet, and
Usenet? I've got only the faintest notion as to what these are, and it's been
bugging me a long time. Don't laugh, you don't know how long it took me to
figure out what a newsgroup was.
Hmm... Jiggles the Doughy Mule? If I may ask, Relee, who is this savage
killing machine you've compared me to?
Kardokis
who really should know more about computers
Relee
>recently, but I accidentally hit the 'mark all read' button. 80+ messages went
>under and could not be recovered. A memorial service will be held soon.
A MUCK, or Multi User Chat Kingdom, is a database of information which
is read via the internet. It simulates a world, in which rooms are
given a description and contents. Many MUCKs allow people to play out
thier fantasies with a semblance of realisim, but in essence are just
a series of chat rooms that one can move between. Although I haven't
been there in years, the last time I went to FurryMUCK I believe I
found myself in some sort of city, which was almost devoid of players.
(I presume that is not common now, I don't know about when I went
there the first time)
>While I'm at it, would someone also please explain ICQ, IRC, Yiffnet, and
>Usenet? I've got only the faintest notion as to what these are, and it's been
>bugging me a long time. Don't laugh, you don't know how long it took me to
>figure out what a newsgroup was.
Well I don't know what Usenet is myself, to me it's just a name. It
seems to be just annother newt.
ICQ is the name of a computer program that takes advantage of the
internet to quickly send short messages between two or more people.
The name was designed to sound like "I Seek You". ICQ can also send
files between users and engage in chat sessions, which I use for
things like roleplaying and yiffing. :)
IRC, well there's annother one I've been meaning to look into. It's a
system of chatrooms, I don't know much else about it. I think it's the
same with Yiffnet, I don't know anything about them.
>Hmm... Jiggles the Doughy Mule? If I may ask, Relee, who is this savage
>killing machine you've compared me to?
Did I compare you to Jiggles the Doughy Mule? That's the nickname I
gave my little brother as a joke, it's a short but long story as to
how it came around. He is an amatur wrestler, ROM translator, Ultima
Online Player, Mover, Homophobe (Tremendously, he's scared in the same
way someone would be by an angry dog) and various other things.
>Kardokis
>who really should know more about computers
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Red Jack
> >Pardon my ignorance, but just what is a MUCK? I think this was brought up
> >recently, but I accidentally hit the 'mark all read' button. 80+
> >messages went under and could not be recovered. A memorial service will
> >be held soon.
>
> A MUCK, or Multi User Chat Kingdom, is a database of information which
> is read via the internet. It simulates a world, in which rooms are
> given a description and contents. Many MUCKs allow people to play out
> thier fantasies with a semblance of realisim, but in essence are just
> a series of chat rooms that one can move between. Although I haven't
> been there in years, the last time I went to FurryMUCK I believe I
> found myself in some sort of city, which was almost devoid of players.
> (I presume that is not common now, I don't know about when I went
> there the first time)
Heh, one of many definitions of what MUCK stands for, nothing I've seen
will confirm it, but the history of MUDs and all makes me think that it
actually doesn't stand for anything, but somebody put together the fact
that they were no longer in a dungeon(MUD- Multi User Dungeon) but in
mucking around in a world, and hence MUCK, goofy, silly, and knowing how
things tend to work, prolly the true story, but nobody seems to know(not
that it matters). Furry Muck is empty and full at the same time, there
can be more than 400 people on, and yet you can spend an hour walking
around and not meet anyone.
> >While I'm at it, would someone also please explain ICQ, IRC, Yiffnet, and
> >Usenet? I've got only the faintest notion as to what these are, and it's
> >been bugging me a long time. Don't laugh, you don't know how long it
> >took me to figure out what a newsgroup was.
> Well I don't know what Usenet is myself, to me it's just a name. It
> seems to be just annother newt.
The technical and proper name for the subsection of the internet
occupied by email and newsgroups.
> ICQ is the name of a computer program that takes advantage of the
> internet to quickly send short messages between two or more people.
> The name was designed to sound like "I Seek You". ICQ can also send
> files between users and engage in chat sessions, which I use for
> things like roleplaying and yiffing. :)
Its a good way to keep in touch real time without long distance charges
too.
Tephra Adularia
>Well it's not a matter of looking at the headers even, the actual "From"
>text contained my NTL email address! But, it seems, they couldn't even
>spend about five seconds looking up at the top of the screen, instead they
>just rely on message filters or something similar, and automatically assume
>that because the Reply-To is a Yahoo address, that the email *must* have
>originated there.
From addresses can be forged, as the amount of spam I apparently send myself
on my hotmail account will testify. So of course from and reply-to addresses
that don't match will send up a red flag. How do they know you haven't forged
the from without wasting time that they don't have to check it out, and then
how do they know that the from address is really yours and not someone else's?
Having done the muck-wiz thing I perfectly understand their position and why
they rejected that application.
>I've been trying a few other (non-furry) MUCKs lately, and *none* of them
>have given me this hassle - on the contrary, they have *all* accepted my
>Yahoo address without even asking any questions. It seems to me that the
>people at FurryMUCK are just paranoid.
Nope, just more than once bitten.
Timescape doesn't allow free addresses either. I actually had to go rounds
with a wiz there about my *regular* email since it's not from an ISP (it's on
a friend's private server hosted at an ISP which is different from the ISP I
use as a dial up connection). Thankfully pointing out that a LOT of furs have
their own mail servers (or friends with servers) and their own domains led to
some rethinking of policies there. If I had been a new user who knows what
would have happened, but I'd been there since before the policy went into
effect with other characters so giving me a new one to an 'unverifiable'
address wasn't that much of a risk.
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Relee
>MOO all have commonly known expansions.
I liked the term mush the first time I heard it on Electric
Playground, it was for a segasoft game. It's a Multi User Shared
Halucination.
>> > The name was designed to sound like "I Seek You". ICQ can also send
>
> And was probably stolen from Amateur Radio, where CQ is used in
>Morse as a general call (CQ CQ CQ de KD6MOG) [Don't try, I'm only a
>no-good* Tech, no HF/Morse ability]
Hey, be on the look out for my dad if you're an amatur radio operator,
VE3 GNF.
CQ is also the name of a magazine he gets.
Khromat
mako...@yahoo.com (Gray) wrote:
> Yes, I've finally got into FurryMUCK! But I'm getting totally lost, as
I
> always do in MUCKs, so could anyone help me out here? Of course, I'm
called
> Gray on FurryMUCK (I'm surprised no-one used the name already, but I'm
not
> complaining).
Welcome to the Zoo! :3
Oh, and I suspect there are a couple of possibilities:
1) There may have been a 'Gray' once and eventually dissapeared.
2) The european spelling is still uncommon enough folks didn't
think about it.
3) Everyone assumed the name was already taken and so didn't
bother to look.
4) There *is* an old FM character named "Grey" and once again the
spelling differences mayhave confused folks.
Oh, and if you get any pages out of the blue about how cool your artwork
is, that's a mispage meant for the other Grey. Unless, of course, you're
also an artist, which will confuse matters even more. :3
-- ermine (Micole on FurryMUCK)
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Before you buy.
Khromat
red_...@mad.scientist.com (Red Jack) wrote:
> <fer...@enteract.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Not really paranoid, just large. It's the biggest muck on the net I
> > believe. Because of that, they have to deal with more twinks than a
lot of
> > smaller mucks and therefore have more rules to help deal with such.
It can
> > make things a bit of a hassle for those who do behave.
>
> Plus you have to understand about alternate characters(alts), you can
> have up to two, but of course use of web mail and AOL would allow you
to
> stretch that, cutting off the number of names available on the muck.
One
> person with a couple webmail accounts can cause a rather amazing
amount
> of trouble.
As ALF's resident FurryMUCK wizard, I came in a little late on this
convo, but let me clear some things up.
1) FurryMUCK is the largest furry Mu* and among the oldest social mudds
on the Internet. At last count we had almost 8,000 characters and over a
quarter-million objects. Yes, we've had our share of fraudulent
accounts, people stealing other people's names for character
assasination and all *kinds* of COPS-level strangenesses happen on our
little corner of the Net, so we've had to impliment a lot tougher
restrictions on how you can get access to the system.
2) You are allowed 3 characters on FurryMUCK, one 'primary' and two
'alts'. If we catch a person giving us false information to try going
above that number, they lose access for *all* their characters.
3) Free-mail systems don't have a solid verification system to protect
their users and anyone who needs ID proof through an email address.
I.E., I can log into Hotmail and create 15 accounts and they won't
question me about it. Several non-free systems, notably AOL, also allow
the creation of 'extra mailboxes' on an account, again making it hard to
verify the person with the email address is really them.
These are what FurryMUCK is barring, and for that simple reason. If we
cannot positively prove you are who you say you are and do something
illegal then we become liable. The Net is an ugly invironment for the
owners and operators of systems because of that legal threat, so
safeguards need to be in place. It's not just for the Mu*, but for the
people who play there, too... upset boyfriends trying to cause *you*
trouble by getting access in your name and then making a nuissance of
himself. Parents looking for a reason to punish their child and anyone
they perceive is 'corrupting' their baby. Agents, both governmental and
private, who want to trap players and owners of social venues. There are
all *kinds* of problems we deal with which is why Positive ID is needed.
Lastly, I don't think discussing MUCK issues is really topical on ALF,
so if you have any further questions, just send me email and I'll try to
answer them as best I can.
Red Jack
> Lastly, I don't think discussing MUCK issues is really topical on ALF,
> so if you have any further questions, just send me email and I'll try to
> answer them as best I can.
Actually, I believe it is(well, not the mechanics actually), as for some
of us, myself for example, this is how I live my furriness, on the muck
I'm a more outgoing, furry version of myself(and yes, I'm detail
oriented, I've used my claws for climbing, expressed myself with my tail
and ears, and animal things like that). Helping others to find their way
onto the muck is definately on topic as it may help them with their
furriness, and that's the point to this place, no?
>
> -- ermine (Micole on FurryMUCK)
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Khromat
> fer...@enteract.com pawed in <8nkjb8$13d3$1...@news.enteract.com>:
>
> >Gray <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >: Am I the only person who is having A LOT OF TROUBLE trying to join
> >: FurryMUCK?
> >
> >: They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to type, I
> >: just pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the usual
> >: form-letter telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I
typed
> >: up ALL the required details and emailed back. The next day I got a
> >: reply saying my request was denied because my email was sent from
> >: Yahoo, and apparently they don't like Yahoo - although they never
said
> >: in the FAQ thingy that I couldn't use 'em.
Actually, it does.... it says we do not accept addresses from
unverifiable freemail or anonymous systems. If you didn't pay for it
(i.e. there is no credit card number that can be traced back to you for
the purposes of paying your bill), or you can change your account name
and/or make multiple account names on the system (like AOL can do), we
have to bounce the request.
"From" addresses can be forged, so can "Reply To" addresses. The path
your mail took through various servers to reach FurryMUCK can be traced,
however, and that's how the Creation Wizard checks mail... and if the
trace shows it came from a system we don't allow, then the request is
bounced. And from what I last recall, Yahoo is on the banned list.
> I've been trying a few other (non-furry) MUCKs lately, and *none* of
them
> have given me this hassle - on the contrary, they have *all* accepted
my
> Yahoo address without even asking any questions. It seems to me that
the
> people at FurryMUCK are just paranoid.
None of the other MUCKs have over 500 users online simultaneously out of
a nearly 8,000 character accounts. Sorry, but FurryMUCK has been around
a long time and has a lot of folks on it, enough that we've also seen a
lot of problems with people using non-verifiable accounts.
Now, there should have been another option listed in our FAQ: You can
ALWAYS request a character through normal postal mail. You can even give
us a hotmail account information and we'll just put the email address in
your log in the event we need to reach you. The point is simply we need
to VERIFY your identity. If you cannot use an email account that we can
trust, you can always use regular mail and the information will be filed
in a safe place.
-- ermine (Micole, a wizard on FurryMUCK)
Khromat
> > It is kind of a legend -- what DOES MUCK stand for? MUD, MUSH,
and
> >MOO all have commonly known expansions.
>
> I liked the term mush the first time I heard it on Electric
> Playground, it was for a segasoft game. It's a Multi User Shared
> Halucination.
In The Beginning, There Was MUDD.... the programmers made a program for
an Online Dungeons and Dragons game, hence they called it Multi User
Dungeons & Dragons. But other people were not satified with that, and
used the code to make other worlds, which they called Multi User Dungeon
Dimensions.
...and still others hacked the code, and removed some things and added
others until it wasn't so much mud as MUCK -- no, it is *not* and
acronym. It's just muck. :3
The other Mu* systems are code build fresh, whole cloth, not using the
previous MUDD code... which is why we have Multi User Shared
Halucination, and Multi User Shared Environment, and Multiplayer Object
Oriented systems and so forth...
-- ermine (Micole on FurryMUCK)
Khromat
red_...@mad.scientist.com (Red Jack) wrote:
> Khromat <khr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > Lastly, I don't think discussing MUCK issues is really topical on
ALF,
> > so if you have any further questions, just send me email and I'll
try to
> > answer them as best I can.
>
> Actually, I believe it is(well, not the mechanics actually), as for
some
> of us, myself for example, this is how I live my furriness, on the
muck
> I'm a more outgoing, furry version of myself(and yes, I'm detail
> oriented, I've used my claws for climbing, expressed myself with my
tail
> and ears, and animal things like that). Helping others to find their
way
> onto the muck is definately on topic as it may help them with their
> furriness, and that's the point to this place, no?
> >
*grin* I can accept that answer, I just didn't want flames to crop up on
this nice newsgroup because we're talking about a fannish issue
(although there are arguements against MU*s being part of AFF, too)
instead of a lifestyle issue.
-- ermine
Skipai
news:8nu75o$lle$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> mako...@yahoo.com (Gray) wrote:
> > fer...@enteract.com pawed in <8nkjb8$13d3$1...@news.enteract.com>:
> Now, there should have been another option listed in our FAQ: You can
> ALWAYS request a character through normal postal mail. You can even give
> us a hotmail account information and we'll just put the email address in
> your log in the event we need to reach you. The point is simply we need
> to VERIFY your identity. If you cannot use an email account that we can
> trust, you can always use regular mail and the information will be filed
> in a safe place.
At the moment I know that one small muck is already thinking on banning AOL
from guest access already... Though where or what stage that is up to I
don't know, but maybe soon Watership Down Muck will be another adding that
company to the banned list.
And at the moment I know we're not accepting any new players since it's
being moved from one server to another... But that's only due to abuse etc
that has been happening....
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CT
<khr...@my-deja.com> scribbled the following in alt.lifestyle.furry:
> > >Gray <mako...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >: Am I the only person who is having A LOT OF TROUBLE trying to join
> > >: FurryMUCK?
> > >
> > >: They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to type, I
> > >: just pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the usual
> > >: form-letter telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I
> typed
> > >: up ALL the required details and emailed back. The next day I got a
> > >: reply saying my request was denied because my email was sent from
> > >: Yahoo, and apparently they don't like Yahoo - although they never
> said
> > >: in the FAQ thingy that I couldn't use 'em.
>
> Actually, it does.... it says we do not accept addresses from
> unverifiable freemail or anonymous systems. If you didn't pay for it
> (i.e. there is no credit card number that can be traced back to you for
> the purposes of paying your bill), or you can change your account name
> and/or make multiple account names on the system (like AOL can do), we
> have to bounce the request.
This brought something to mind to me the other day...
What about ISPs that allow for aliases (most major ISPs allow for 3-5
aliases free of charge)? Yeah, you could track by the originating IP,
but since most IP addresses are dynamically assigned (even stuff like
my ADSL, only the expiration period is much longer than "whenever you
dial in next"), that doesn't seem like it'd prove too effective a
tracking mechanism.
(For those who may not know, an alias, in this case, is simply another
address that redirects to the owner's main address, acting, in
essence, as an auto-forwarder.)
CT, curious >:-)
Khromat
> Out of sheer boredom on Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:45:01 GMT, Khromat
> <khr...@my-deja.com> scribbled the following in alt.lifestyle.furry:
>
> > > >: Am I the only person who is having A LOT OF TROUBLE trying to
join
> > > >: FurryMUCK?
> > > >
> > > >: They just gave me an email address, so not knowing what to
type, I
> > > >: just pawed a quick email. Later that day, they sent back the
usual
> > > >: form-letter telling me what details I need - fair enough. So, I
> > typed
> > > >: up ALL the required details and emailed back. The next day I
got a
> > > >: reply saying my request was denied because my email was sent
from
> > > >: Yahoo, and apparently they don't like Yahoo - although they
never
> > said
> > > >: in the FAQ thingy that I couldn't use 'em.
> >
> > unverifiable freemail or anonymous systems. If you didn't pay for it
> > (i.e. there is no credit card number that can be traced back to you
for
> > the purposes of paying your bill), or you can change your account
name
> > and/or make multiple account names on the system (like AOL can do),
we
> > have to bounce the request.
>
> This brought something to mind to me the other day...
>
> What about ISPs that allow for aliases (most major ISPs allow for 3-5
> aliases free of charge)? Yeah, you could track by the originating IP,
> but since most IP addresses are dynamically assigned (even stuff like
> my ADSL, only the expiration period is much longer than "whenever you
> dial in next"), that doesn't seem like it'd prove too effective a
> tracking mechanism.
>
> (For those who may not know, an alias, in this case, is simply another
> address that redirects to the owner's main address, acting, in
> essence, as an auto-forwarder.)
Those, too, are questionable... we've already had to turn back folks
using ATT's Worldnet for that reason, and bellatlantic.net is looking to
be another problem.
There is, however, a bright side to all this: People who have dedicated
servers (i.e. folks like Purrsia who are not commercial ISP's) and who
allow limited accounts (i.e. their friends), can petition FurryMUCK to
be on the "verified" list. We've been working out a way to
acknowledge the growing number of 'personal domain' systems. The
sysadmin would have to sign and return a form saying they claim
responsibility for everythign on their server, and can verify the users
of their system, but once we have that signed form, that server and the
users of it can get accounts even though they are not *actually* on a
paid-ISP system. :3
--ermine
Relee
>a nearly 8,000 character accounts. Sorry, but FurryMUCK has been around
>a long time and has a lot of folks on it, enough that we've also seen a
>lot of problems with people using non-verifiable accounts.
Not to drift, but how old is it exactly? I remember going there two or
three years ago and it seemed really empty, and I wondered if it was
just new then or I was just on at a strange time.
Relee
>previous MUDD code... which is why we have Multi User Shared
>Halucination, and Multi User Shared Environment, and Multiplayer Object
>Oriented systems and so forth...
And the big MMORPGS.
Khromat
> >None of the other MUCKs have over 500 users online simultaneously out
of
> >a nearly 8,000 character accounts. Sorry, but FurryMUCK has been
around
> >a long time and has a lot of folks on it, enough that we've also seen
a
> >lot of problems with people using non-verifiable accounts.
>
> Not to drift, but how old is it exactly? I remember going there two or
> three years ago and it seemed really empty, and I wondered if it was
> just new then or I was just on at a strange time.
Definitely the later... we do get slow periods, and quiet times post
saves or post crashes. FurryMUCK has been online since 1991. :3
-- ermine
Relee
>> three years ago and it seemed really empty, and I wondered if it was
>> just new then or I was just on at a strange time.
>
>Definitely the later... we do get slow periods, and quiet times post
>saves or post crashes. FurryMUCK has been online since 1991. :3
I only went a couple times and each time there were somewhere from
eleven to thity furs, though maybe I was just nuts. : P
Khromat
> >The other Mu* systems are code build fresh, whole cloth, not using
the
> >previous MUDD code... which is why we have Multi User Shared
> >Halucination, and Multi User Shared Environment, and Multiplayer
Object
> >Oriented systems and so forth...
>
> And the big MMORPGS.
How would you pronounce that? "Moe-RPGs" or "morp-gus"? :3
Skipai
news:39a47f18...@news.fur.com...
> I only went a couple times and each time there were somewhere from
> eleven to thity furs, though maybe I was just nuts. : P
I've been on mucks where I was the only one logged in..... Actually it's
about 4 to 5 of them. But then I was logged in on UK time.... I know a few
Fur based mucks that have no UK staffers at all on them and that normally
stops others from getting players on the mucks.
But Redwall lost me so that's their problem.... :o)
--
Skipai da Otter ICQ#25078250
Relee
>
>How would you pronounce that? "Moe-RPGs" or "morp-gus"? :3
"Em em oh rr pee gee s"
Or just massively multiplayer online role playing games.
Very popular.
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