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Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His Fantasy Iraq

Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit

[Noriega appeared on the PBS NewsHour with Peter Kornbluh on Oct 24th
to debate Bush's pathetic speech. He repeated the litany of
nonsense about Bush's Fantasy Cuba that came from Bush's mouth earlier
in the day --and added his own: that that there were 7 million Cubans
(there are 11 million) and that "at great personal risk" apparently
most of them would be secretly listening to the words of George W. via
some clandestine means -- it wasn't exactly clear what -- perhaps
their Fantasy TV Marti. We responded at the time:
"Roger Noriega Doesn't Know the Population of Cuba" 10/24/07
http://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20071022/070749.html

Well, it seems Noriega got the "captive nation" straining to hear the
voice of "freedom" hilariously wrong, too. Granma published Bush's
speech. And why not? What better evidence does the Cuban Revolution
need of Bush's unbelievable ignorance, and arrogance, and the emptiness
of his rehetoric?

PS - The PBS NewsHour, of course, completely ignored the record vote
against the US in the General Assembly yesterday. Perhaps it was too
embarrassing to the US to announce how Bush's speech clearly went over
with the international community. They didn't even manage to fit it
into their "news summary." -NY Transfer]

Juventude Rebelde - Oct 27, 2007
http://www.juventudrebelde.co.cu/columnists/2007-10-27/two-different-worlds/

Two Different Worlds

By Rodolfo Livingston

Once again, I walk down Havanas streets paved with square stones, old
and damp today beneath a light rain, which only yesterday were shining
beneath a multicolored sky.

Walking along Obispo Street, I pass by the always noisy Cuban bars. At
the corners, groups of people exchange expressive comments. In the
portals, women are flattered by workmen, and flocks of tourists walk
slowly in front of the amazing 500-year-old colonial facades. A black
tourist guide speaking in perfect German recounts the history of each
part of the walk.

I stop for a bit in the lobby of the Ambos Mundos (Both worlds) Hotel
and inattentively open the Granma newspaper, hoping to find Fidel
Castro latest editorial. However, what a surprise! Instead of that I
find a completely transcribed speech of... George W. Bush!

I read on " astonished. At this moment, says Bush, my words are
being transmitted live into Cuba by media outlets of the free world,
including Radio and TV Marti. To those Cubans who are listening
"perhaps at great risk" I would like to speak to you directly.

Further on Bush said that it is against the law for more than three
Cubans to meet without permission. Unbelievable! When you go out in
Cuba, the only thing you do is run into groups of people " grandparents
exercising in the squares, the famous camels (double humped buses)
full of people, packed ice-cream parlors, and so on. In fact, is seems
that meetings of less than three people are prohibited.

Nonetheless, Bush continues with his delirious speech, In Cuba it is
illegal to change jobs, to change houses, to travel abroad, and to read
books or magazines without the express approval of the state. He
continued saying much of the same up to the end, where he concluded
with threats that are not surprising to anymore, especially after
learning about the atrocities committed in Iraq and in many other
places, including at Guantanamo Bay.

I went up to the fifth floor of the hotel, to what was once Hemingways
room. He was an American who was very different from the current US
president. From the window of the writers former room, I look at the
sky and down Obispo Street, where I just had the pleasure of walking.
Leaving Ambos Mundos, its name makes me think of both Bushs world and
this Cuban world around me -- full of kids laughing, lovers embracing
and a sense of peace.

Its good to remember which of these worlds its better to live in.


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Yes look at www.therealcuba.com!


Dan Christensen

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On Nov 1, 3:52 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
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Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
their outrageous claims. Funny about that.

Interested readers should see "Achievements of the Revolution" at my
website. Plenty of independent experts are cited there!

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html


krp

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>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
>
> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.


It isn't MINE and it isn't PROPAGANDA as YOURS is


PL

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>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
>
> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.

the visit www.cubaverdad.net and follow the links.

PL

Dan Christensen

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...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another. And STILL not
one independent expert who will support your outrageous claims -- just
your usual parade of anti-Cuban "activi$ts" of the far right.

PL

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Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:09 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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>> news:1193969134....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 3:52 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> <NY.Transfer.N...@blythe.org> wrote in message
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>>>>> Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His
>>>>> Fantasy
>>>>> Iraq
>>>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netand follow the links.
>>
>
> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
(snip)

Nope.
That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because of
lies and slander.
But thanks for admitting that the web site is based on international
reports and press sources and is not a mere collection of propaganda
drool written by one guy that flatters himself by calling them
"articles" like your site is.
www.cubaverdad.net has a database with over 32000 articles from hundreds
of sources and 42 newsfeeds including newsfeeds of the Cuban
government's press.

But back to the facts at hand:
Get real Mr. Stalinist.
Even the Cuban regime now starts admitting that there is something very
wrong with Cuban health care for Cubans.
But as usual idiots like you want to "out-lie the liars".

Cuba adopta una mirada crítica sobre problemas de odontología
domingo 28 de octubre de 2007 14:10 GYT
Por Marc Frank

Cuba takes harsh look at dentistry woes
Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:39pm EDT
By Marc Frank
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/34459
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/34447

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=estomatolog%C3%ADa&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

PL

krp

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> On Nov 2, 4:09 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> >> <NY.Transfer.N...@blythe.org> wrote in message
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>> >> > Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His
>> >> > Fantasy
>> >> > Iraq
>>
>> >> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
>>
>> > Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
>> > site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
>> > their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
>>
>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netand follow the links.
>>
>
> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another. And STILL not
> one independent expert who will support your outrageous claims --

Well Danny when you jump up and down like a SISSY demanding that ONLY Fidel
himself is TOTALLY independent - that poses a problem for the rest of the
world. YOU, of course, are COMPLETELY independent. RIGHT DANNY?

And EVERYONE should believe you for forget that you are merely a loudmouthed
Canadian Communist!'

Not a real bright one either.

krp

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"PL" <pl.n...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>> Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His
>>>>>> Fantasy
>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
>>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
>>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
>>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
>>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netand follow the links.
>>>
>>
>> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
> (snip)
>
> Nope.
> That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because of
> lies and slander.

THAT is an interesting topic that we should explore in detail.Maybe Danny's
legal woes regarding his website is something more folks need to know about.
However there is so MUCH bullshit on it, how do we deal with what remains?


PL

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That should read Stalinist.
There are various "tribes" in communism and they are very sensitive to
being correctly placed.
Dan is an admirer of "workers' democracy" under Stalin.

PL

PL

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Dan posed as a journalist to get in to trick a person to provide a copy
of a comment.
He posted a "post-edited" version of it violating people's privacy.
His ISP told him three times to remove it.
Each time he slightly changed it hoping to get away with until ALL
parties involved wrote to the ISP and the ISP told him to get rid of it
or be expelled.
Dan complied - part of the source of his personal hatred - after copying
the content of the illegal page to usenet.
Those are the facts.

PL

krp

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"PL" <pl.n...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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>
>>>>>>>> Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His
>>>>>>>> Fantasy
>>>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>>>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
>>>>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
>>>>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
>>>>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
>>>>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netand follow the links.
>>>>>
>>>> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>> That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because of
>>> lies and slander.
>>
>> THAT is an interesting topic that we should explore in detail.Maybe
>> Danny's legal woes regarding his website is something more folks need to
>> know about.
>> However there is so MUCH bullshit on it, how do we deal with what
>> remains?

> Dan posed as a journalist to get in to trick a person to provide a copy
> of a comment.
> He posted a "post-edited" version of it violating people's privacy.

A "FAKED" Document from DANNY???? WHAT A SHOCK! Like his alterations of
Amenesty International's findings HERE several times by adding his own TEXT
to it and claiming it was "Journalistic License?"

> His ISP told him three times to remove it.

And..................

> Each time he slightly changed it hoping to get away with until ALL parties
> involved wrote to the ISP and the ISP told him to get rid of it or be
> expelled.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

> Dan complied - part of the source of his personal hatred - after copying
> the content of the illegal page to usenet. Those are the facts.

Sop he PRETENDED to be a Journalist . . . I know other people who also
do that . . . and then LIED about what they said. I know other people who do
that too. The dregs of the internet. LAME LAME propaganda. Like Danny's
FAKE photos of Brothers to the Rescue airplanes.
Does he still have that on his website?


Dan Christensen

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On Nov 3, 5:17 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snip]

> >>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
> >>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
> >>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.

> >> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netandfollow the links.


>
> > ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
>
> (snip)
>
> Nope.
> That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because of
> lies and slander.

[snip]

I assume you are talking about the time I posted your lies about a
certain US medical expert, claiming he said Cuban health stats were
falsified. (He has asked us not to use his name in future.) I also
posted his response which exposed you for the desperate liar that you
are. It was almost worth it see you squirm, but in the larger scheme
of thing you are just a small fish in very large pond, Mr. Lobbyist.
When he personally wrote to me, I removed your lies about him from
website.

And this wasn't the first time your own sources personally turned on
you. You had also been spreading similar lies for years about South
African health economist, Dr. Michael Thiede. (And will probably
repeat them again here.) His personal response also exposed your lies
about him.

BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove your lies about that
supposed "UN assessment" of Cuban elections at your lying website, Mr.
Lobbyist. Can we expect you to remove it any time soon?


> Even the Cuban regime now starts admitting that there is something very
> wrong with Cuban health care for Cubans.

Thanks to your beloved embargo, there are still many shortages. As
even the UN Human Rights Commission was forced to concede in reports
critical of Cuba, "It is also impossible to ignore the disastrous and
lasting economic and social effects of the embargo imposed on the
Cuban population over 40 years ago." (SCC archives) Makes you proud,
don't it, Mr. Lobbyist?


>
> Cuba adopta una mirada crítica sobre problemas de odontología
> domingo 28 de octubre de 2007 14:10 GYT
> Por Marc Frank
>
> Cuba takes harsh look at dentistry woes
> Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:39pm EDT
> By Marc Frankhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/34459http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/34447
>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=estomatolog%C3...
>

>From this report:

Cuba takes pride in its free health and education systems as the two
most important achievements of the socialist society built after the
revolution led by Fidel Castro in 1959 and official criticism is rare.

But the economic crisis that hit Cuba after the Soviet Union collapsed
in 1991 and tougher U.S. sanctions have taken a toll, National
Director of Dentistry Dr. Armando Mojaiber de la Pena was quoted as
saying, with the annual hard currency budget cut by as much as 500
percent from the 1980s to the 1990s. [All your hard work really paid
off here, eh, Mr. Lobbyist?]

Mojaiber de la Pena told the newspaper thousands of dentists and
technicians were being trained, more resources were flowing into the
system and dentists who charged for services pursued.

"Today our data compares with developed countries. Sixty-eight percent
of Cuban children up to age 5 have no cavities and 90 percent of the
population up to 18 years have all their teeth," he said.

Original source: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN28435452

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 3, 11:00 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> krp wrote:
> > "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote in message

> >news:V0XWi.187887$PN.95...@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
> >>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
> >>>>>>> Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His
> >>>>>>> Fantasy
> >>>>>>> Iraq
> >>>>>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
> >>>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
> >>>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
> >>>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
> >>>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netandfollow the links.

>
> >>> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
> >> (snip)
>
> >> Nope.
> >> That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because of
> >> lies and slander.
>
> > THAT is an interesting topic that we should explore in detail.Maybe Danny's
> > legal woes regarding his website is something more folks need to know about.
> > However there is so MUCH bullshit on it, how do we deal with what remains?
>
> Dan posed as a journalist to get in to trick a person to provide a copy
> of a comment.

I honestly told him I was working on an article on a speculative
basis, my first attempt at writing something for publication. I did
not claim to be an accredited journalist. I told him wanted to write
something on the Cuban health care system. I chose him because I
thought he was the only independent expert I had read of with anything
even remotely critical to say about the system. I was disappointed in
this regard. I had made the mistake of believing there might be
something to PL's lies about him. He confirmed that, contrary to PL's
lies, he felt that Cuban health stats were as reliable as those from
any other country. A careful reading of PL's deliberate misquotes
confirmed this as well.


> He posted a "post-edited" version of it violating people's privacy.

[snip]

Bullshit. With one exception, everything I posted of him, he had
already posted himself at online discussion forums. The only new
information was a reference to PL's lies about him and his subsequent
debunking of them.

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 3, 10:56 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> krp wrote:
> > "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
> >news:1194063448....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Nov 2, 4:09 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>>>> <NY.Transfer.N...@blythe.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:1193847193.3518705828.1767662571@servebbs.org...
> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>>>>> Hash: SHA1
> >>>>>> Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like His
> >>>>>> Fantasy
> >>>>>> Iraq
> >>>>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
> >>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
> >>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
> >>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
> >>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netandfollow the links.

>
> >> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another. And STILL not
> >> one independent expert who will support your outrageous claims --
>
> > Well Danny when you jump up and down like a SISSY demanding that ONLY Fidel
> > himself is TOTALLY independent - that poses a problem for the rest of the
> > world. YOU, of course, are COMPLETELY independent. RIGHT DANNY?
>
> > And EVERYONE should believe you for forget that you are merely a loudmouthed
> > Canadian Communist!'
>
> That should read Stalinist.
> There are various "tribes" in communism and they are very sensitive to
> being correctly placed.
> Dan is an admirer of "workers' democracy" under Stalin.
>

Poor, pathetic lobbyist...

You get your butt kicked on this one every time. OK, one more time
then... let's see what you've got again (with link to original). And
then bend over.

BTW, we are STILL waiting for your comment on Amensty International's
condemnation of the torture and murder of opponents of the Bush in CIA
dungeons around the world, as well their condemnation of your beloved
embargo on humanitarian grounds. Like an old Nazi, it seems you are in
complete denial -- in public anyway.

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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Nope.
You claimed to be a jouirnalist.

>> He posted a "post-edited" version of it violating people's privacy.
>
> [snip]
>
> Bullshit.

Nope, fact.
You posted one mail in a series on which you tricked a person to copy you
and post-edited it.
You posted private information on the web in violation of Canadian, US and
Belgian law.

When the person you tricked realized what you had done he joined me in a
request to your ISP to have the page removed.
He said: (in his mail to ATT)

Please remove the following very offensive web site
<<http://members.attcanada.ca/~dchris/PL.html>http://members.attcanada.ca/~

dchris/PL.html> It contains statements from me which I had no intention of
disseminating to anyone except the person to whom it was directed. In any
event, I am quoted as saying all sorts of things and, even if they were
true, they would only be my opinions, not facts.

The extreme distortions made on this site are both offensive and legally
unsupportable.

Please remove this web site as soon as you can. It does much harm and no
good at all.

Thanks you for your cooperation in this awful matter.

He said:

- extreme distortions

- no intention to dissimating to anyone but the person to whom it was
directed

You quoted him saying "all sorts of thing".

You misquoted the person as usual and posted the falsification on the web.

You tried to change it fiirst (removing names) and calimed it was a big
"improvement".

You then had to remove the page. I said that that was the "big improvement".

In order to save face you calimed you removed the page to deny me a forum to
the world.

That lie was exposed when you copied the full falsification on to Usenet.

You then said you would remove your posts from the Google database.
That hasn't happend.

Every step of the way your lies have been exposed and the result is plain to
see: you had to remove part of your website or else you would be denied
access by ATT.

ATT took this extreme action because it was approached by all slandered,
misquoted and whose privacy was maliciously violated by a liar and a cheat.

Those are the facts.

Your website is a pack of lies Dan.

Pages have been removed because of that.

The person concerned is right about your site: it does more harm than good.

PL

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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Nope.
Do you deny that you praised "workers democracy" under Stalin comrade Dan?
I can quote you.

The Standard reply to your "Nazi" insult:


You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen

You support a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:
the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
...
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.....
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:


Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In
this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

.......

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally justified
under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty International,
Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.

That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan: every time you post that lie about me I post the
truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on vacation
in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that time prove).

This was your false claim: "Taking a little break from arm-twisting in
Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the ones
below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online) that he
does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting of your
beloved embargo."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.

''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report quoted
below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same report that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the trade
sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from these
sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED)?

"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty International
considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of conscience(2) and calls for
their immediate and unconditional release."

In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners previously
named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is detained or
imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their rights to freedom of
expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on your
lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba in
humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro regime and
abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen the
embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the forefront of
its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy that
places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the forefront of its
concerns".

See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian
Stalinist propagandist of SCC.

PL

PL

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Nov 3, 2007, 3:28:03 PM11/3/07
to
Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Nov 3, 5:17 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
>>>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to support
>>>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
>>>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netandfollow the links.
>>> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
>> (snip)
>>
>> Nope.
>> That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because of
>> lies and slander.
>
> [snip]
>
> I assume you are talking about the time I posted your lies about a
> certain US medical expert,
(snip)

You posted one mail in a series on which you tricked a person to copy
you and post-edited it.
You posted private information on the web in violation of Canadian, US
and Belgian law.

When the person you tricked realized what you had done he joined me in a
request to your ISP to have the page removed.
He said: (in his mail to ATT)

Please remove the following very offensive web site
<<http://members.attcanada.ca/~dchris/PL.html>http://members.attcanada.ca/~

dchris/PL.html> It contains statements from me which I had no intention
of disseminating to anyone except the person to whom it was directed.
In any event, I am quoted as saying all sorts of things and, even if
they were true, they would only be my opinions, not facts.

The extreme distortions made on this site are both offensive and legally
unsupportable.

Please remove this web site as soon as you can. It does much harm and
no good at all.

Thanks you for your cooperation in this awful matter.

He said:

- extreme distortions

- no intention to dissiminating to anyone but the person to whom it was
directed

You quoted him saying "all sorts of thing".

You misquoted the person as usual and posted the falsification on the web.

You tried to change it fiirst (removing names) and calimed it was a big
"improvement".

You then had to remove the page. I said that that was the "big improvement".

In order to save face you calimed you removed the page to deny me a
forum to the world.

That lie was exposed when you copied the full falsification on to Usenet.

You then said you would remove your posts from the Google database.
That hasn't happend.

Every step of the way your lies have been exposed and the result is
plain to see: you had to remove part of your website or else you would
be denied access by ATT.

ATT took this extreme action because it was approached by all slandered,
misquoted and whose privacy was maliciously violated by a liar and a cheat.

Those are the facts.

Your website is a pack of lies Dan.

Pages have been removed because of that.

The person concerned is right about your site: it does more harm than good.

>> Even the Cuban regime now starts admitting that there is something very


>> wrong with Cuban health care for Cubans.
>

> Thanks to your beloved embargo, tµ(snip)

Thanks for no longer denying apartheid in Cuba and admitting that
services for Cubans are shitty.
I guess you realizd you can't keep swimming against the tide.
Falsely blaiming it on external factors is one lie you still have to
drop comrade Dan.
Castro has turned the third developed country in the Americas in to a
third world country with an apartheid system.
Must make you proud.

>> Cuba adopta una mirada crítica sobre problemas de odontología
>> domingo 28 de octubre de 2007 14:10 GYT
>> Por Marc Frank
>>
>> Cuba takes harsh look at dentistry woes
>> Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:39pm EDT
>> By Marc Frankhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/34459http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/34447
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=estomatolog%C3...
>>
>
>>From this report:
>
> Cuba takes pride in its free health and education systems

(snip)

But they are shitty while visiting tourist can have anything Cubans can't.
Apartheid.
http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm

Dan Christensen

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Nov 4, 2007, 12:25:16 AM11/4/07
to
On Nov 3, 3:17 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194113888.2...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 11:00 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> krp wrote:
> >> > "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote in message
> >> >news:V0XWi.187887$PN.95...@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
> >> >>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
> >> >>>>>>> Bush's Fantasy Cuba vs.Real Cuba 'Two Different Worlds, ' Like
> >> >>>>>>> His
> >> >>>>>>> Fantasy
> >> >>>>>>> Iraq
> >> >>>>>> Yes look atwww.therealcuba.com!
> >> >>>>> Gosh, Kennykins... I looked high and low at this little propaganda
> >> >>>>> site of yours. And not one independent expert of any kind to
> >> >>>>> support
> >> >>>>> their outrageous claims. Funny about that.
> >> >>>> the visitwww.cubaverdad.netandfollowthe links.

>
> >> >>> ...to one crummy little propaganda piece after another
> >> >> (snip)
>
> >> >> Nope.
> >> >> That would be your website: the one that had to remove pages because
> >> >> of
> >> >> lies and slander.
>
> >> > THAT is an interesting topic that we should explore in detail.Maybe
> >> > Danny's
> >> > legal woes regarding his website is something more folks need to know
> >> > about.
> >> > However there is so MUCH bullshit on it, how do we deal with what
> >> > remains?
>
> >> Dan posed as a journalist to get in to trick a person to provide a copy
> >> of a comment.
>
> > I honestly told him I was working on an article on a speculative
> > basis,
>
> Nope.
> You claimed to be a jouirnalist.
>

I did not.


> >> He posted a "post-edited" version of it violating people's privacy.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > Bullshit.
>
> Nope, fact.
> You posted one mail in a series on which you tricked a person to copy you
> and post-edited it.

A blatant lie. It doesn't even make sense!


> You posted private information on the web in violation of Canadian, US and
> Belgian law.
>

Bullshit. I interviewed him with the expressed intention of publishing
what he told me. He never indicated that he was speaking to me "off
record." And why would he? He didn't even know me or anything about me
other than what I told him. I think I was well within my rights, but
decided in the end not to pursue the matter. (See below.)


> When the person you tricked realized what you had done he joined me in a
> request to your ISP to have the page removed.
> He said: (in his mail to ATT)
>
> Please remove the following very offensive web site
> <<http://members.attcanada.ca/~dchris/PL.html>http://members.attcanada.ca/~
>
> dchris/PL.html> It contains statements from me which I had no intention of
> disseminating to anyone except the person to whom it was directed. In any
> event, I am quoted as saying all sorts of things and, even if they were
> true, they would only be my opinions, not facts.
>
> The extreme distortions made on this site are both offensive and legally
> unsupportable.
>

This refers to your lies about him -- similar to the lies you were
spreading about Dr. Thiede for years -- that he said Cuban health
stats were somehow falsified. And like Dr. T, he personally exposed
you for the truly desperate liar that you are.


> Please remove this web site as soon as you can. It does much harm and no
> good at all.
>
> Thanks you for your cooperation in this awful matter.
>
> He said:
>
> - extreme distortions
>
> - no intention to dissimating to anyone but the person to whom it was
> directed
>
> You quoted him saying "all sorts of thing".
>
> You misquoted the person as usual and posted the falsification on the web.
>
> You tried to change it fiirst (removing names) and calimed it was a big
> "improvement".
>

I removed your name.


> You then had to remove the page.

As soon as the good doctor wrote to me explaining his situation, I
removed it. Again, exposing the pathetic lies of a two-bit
propagandist like you just wasn't worth it, in the end. Why give you a
platform for your lies? I would stick to exposing your lies here. You
don't even rate a mention at my website these days. (I see you have
link to mine at your lying website, however. I would be flattered if
your website wasn't such piece of shit.)


> I said that that was the "big improvement".
>

And you got your butt kicked by your own source. It was almost worth
it to see you squirm.


> In order to save face you calimed you removed the page to deny me a forum to
> the world.
>

Long-time readers at SCC will know that you ended up with massive
amounts of egg on your face over this incident.


> That lie was exposed when you copied the full falsification on to Usenet.
>
> You then said you would remove your posts from the Google database.
> That hasn't happend.
>

I did so years ago. BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website. You
have already admitted here that it is a lie. What is it still there?

Dan Christensen

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Nov 4, 2007, 12:38:12 AM11/4/07
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On Nov 3, 3:20 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snip]

> >> Dan is an admirer of "workers' democracy" under Stalin.
>
> > Poor, pathetic lobbyist...
>
> > You get your butt kicked on this one every time.
>
> Nope.
> Do you deny that you praised "workers democracy" under Stalin comrade Dan?
> I can quote you.
>

Again, put up or shut up!

BTW, we are also STILL waiting for your comment on Amnesty


International's condemnation of the torture and murder of opponents of
the Bush in CIA dungeons around the world, as well their condemnation
of your beloved embargo on humanitarian grounds. Like an old Nazi, it

seems you are in complete denial -- in public anyway. Privately, I am
sure you are actually proud of the suffering you and your ilk have
caused the Cuban people! That'll teach 'em to mess with the Empire,
right, Mr. Lobbyist?

PL

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Nov 4, 2007, 4:28:18 AM11/4/07
to

"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194150316.3...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

Yes you did as he confirmed.

>> >> He posted a "post-edited" version of it violating people's privacy.
>>
>> > [snip]
>>
>> > Bullshit.
>>
>> Nope, fact.
>> You posted one mail in a series on which you tricked a person to copy you
>> and post-edited it.
>
> A blatant lie. It doesn't even make sense!

Yes it does: you wanted to attack me and therefore posted a falsified out of
context piece you obtained by misleading him

>> You posted private information on the web in violation of Canadian, US
>> and
>> Belgian law.
>>
>
> Bullshit. I interviewed him with the expressed intention of publishing
> what he told me.

His own words expose you as a liar:

Please remove the following very offensive web site
<<http://members.attcanada.ca/~dchris/PL.html>http://members.attcanada.ca/~

dchris/PL.html> It contains statements from me which I had no intention of
disseminating to anyone except the person to whom it was directed.

> I think I was well within my rights, but


> decided in the end not to pursue the matter. (See below.)


actually you tried desperately to keep the page up and changed it a lottle
each time hoping that your ISP would get off your back.
Finally under threat of removal of service you caved in while spitefully
copying all the lies in to usenet to keep them "up"

>> When the person you tricked realized what you had done he joined me in a
>> request to your ISP to have the page removed.
>> He said: (in his mail to ATT)
>>
>> Please remove the following very offensive web site
>> <<http://members.attcanada.ca/~dchris/PL.html>http://members.attcanada.ca/~
>>
>> dchris/PL.html> It contains statements from me which I had no intention
>> of
>> disseminating to anyone except the person to whom it was directed. In
>> any
>> event, I am quoted as saying all sorts of things and, even if they were
>> true, they would only be my opinions, not facts.
>>
>> The extreme distortions made on this site are both offensive and legally
>> unsupportable.
>>
>
> This refers to your lies about him

(snip)

Nope.
It refers to what you created Dan.

>> Please remove this web site as soon as you can. It does much harm and no
>> good at all.
>>
>> Thanks you for your cooperation in this awful matter.
>>
>> He said:
>>
>> - extreme distortions
>>
>> - no intention to dissimating to anyone but the person to whom it was
>> directed
>>
>> You quoted him saying "all sorts of thing".
>>
>> You misquoted the person as usual and posted the falsification on the
>> web.
>>

>> You tried to change it fiirst (removing names) and claimed it was a big


>> "improvement".
>>
>
> I removed your name.

which was the first thing you had to do as your ISP condemned your violation
of privacy and stalking attitude.
You hoped that by merely removing that that you would "escape".
The fact is that based on OUR complaint ATT kept up the pressure and gave
you an ultimatum: the page goes or the service goes.

>> You then had to remove the page.
>
> As soon as the good doctor wrote to me explaining his situation, I
> removed it.

(snip)

Nope.
You removed it when your ISP gave you an ultimatum.
You falsified what the man had said and had violated his trust.
The guy truly was pissed.

>> I said that that was the "big improvement".
>>
>
> And you got your butt kicked by your own source.

(snip)

Nope.
On the contrary. In his mail he said he wouldn't trust a Cuban doctor "as
far as he could throw him" in matters of reporting.
His public record confirms his doubts.
Your lies don't change that.
He was so pissed about them he had them removed.


>> In order to save face you calimed you removed the page to deny me a forum
>> to
>> the world.
>>
>
> Long-time readers at SCC will know that you ended up with massive
> amounts of egg on your face over this incident.

Nope.
they will know you got exposed as a liar and a fraud and anyone - even now -
can see that the page was removed.

>> That lie was exposed when you copied the full falsification on to Usenet.
>>
>> You then said you would remove your posts from the Google database.
>> That hasn't happend.
>>
>
> I did so years ago.

BS

> BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
> lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.

That is no lie comrade Dan.
The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
The fact that the resolution recommending actio to be taken wasn't voted
doesn't deminish its standing in any way.

PL

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194151092.7...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 3, 3:20 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> >> Dan is an admirer of "workers' democracy" under Stalin.
>>
>> > Poor, pathetic lobbyist...
>>
>> > You get your butt kicked on this one every time.
>>
>> Nope.
>> Do you deny that you praised "workers democracy" under Stalin comrade
>> Dan?
>> I can quote you.
>>
>
> Again, put up or shut up!

"Stalinist era was characterized by a direct, workers' democracy at the
factory and local levels. There was
clearly more industrial democracy in the USSR during this time than in the
capitalist countries. At the highest level of planning, however, it seems
that Stalin himself was very much in charge. When he died in 1953, workers
seemed to have no institutional recourse to the schemes of his revisionist
successors. I suggest only that this situation be avoided in the future by
providing such recourse. I know this is vague and the details do need to
be worked out."

Original location:
http://www.leninism.org/stream/99/mll/0131-danchr.asp
Full copy in SCC:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2a8bdfbc0e0f1758?dmode=source

Stalin was in charge with a large "workers democracy" in the country
according to he Mr. Stalinist.

> Like an old Nazi, it

Dan Christensen

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Nov 4, 2007, 10:53:22 AM11/4/07
to
On Nov 4, 4:28 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> >> You posted one mail in a series on which you tricked a person to copy you
> >> and post-edited it.
>
> > A blatant lie. It doesn't even make sense!
>
> Yes it does: you wanted to attack me and therefore posted a falsified out of
> context piece you obtained by misleading him
>

[snip]

Again, the only thing I posted which he himself had not already posted
at online forums was his debunking your of out-of-context lies about
him -- specifically, your lie that he believed Cuba health stats were
somehow falsified. On this, he was unequivocal -- Cuban health stats
are as reliable as those in any other country. Once again, you were
exposed for the truly desperate liar that you are.

And again, this is not the only time your lies have been exposed by
your own sources. For years you were spreading lies about South
African health economist, Dr. Michael Thiede, that he, too, believed
Cuban health data to be falsified. His personal response also exposed


you for the truly desperate liar that you are.

All of this is consistent with the fact that you STILL cannot name
even a single independent medical expert today who will support your
outrageous claims about the Cuba health care system. If what you claim
was true (it isn't), you should be able to cite dozens of such
experts. But you have not even one. Instead you cling desperately to
these two questionable cases. What a pathetic loser you are!


> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>
> That is no lie comrade Dan.
> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.

It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
the work of perhaps only one man. And the author's recommendations in
the form of a resolution was defeated by the same organization, the
UNHRC, that originally commissioned the report! And it was certainly
never voted on by the General Assembly.

> The fact that the resolution recommending actio to be taken wasn't voted
> doesn't deminish its standing in any way.
>

It is diminished to being only the report of perhaps only a single
person. Contrary to your lying website, the UN in no way endorsed this
report. Once again, we see what a truly desperate liar you are!

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 4, 4:38 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194151092.7...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 3:20 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > [snip]
>
> >> >> Dan is an admirer of "workers' democracy" under Stalin.
>
> >> > Poor, pathetic lobbyist...
>
> >> > You get your butt kicked on this one every time.
>
> >> Nope.
> >> Do you deny that you praised "workers democracy" under Stalin comrade
> >> Dan?
> >> I can quote you.
>
> > Again, put up or shut up!
>
> "Stalinist era was characterized by a direct, workers' democracy at the
> factory and local levels. There was
> clearly more industrial democracy in the USSR during this time than in the
> capitalist countries. At the highest level of planning, however, it seems
> that Stalin himself was very much in charge. When he died in 1953, workers
> seemed to have no institutional recourse to the schemes of his revisionist
> successors. I suggest only that this situation be avoided in the future by
> providing such recourse. I know this is vague and the details do need to
> be worked out."
>
> Original location:http://www.leninism.org/stream/99/mll/0131-danchr.asp
> Full copy in SCC:http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2a8bdfbc0e0f1758?d...

>
> Stalin was in charge with a large "workers democracy" in the country
> according to he Mr. Stalinist.
>

A "Stalinist" that says Stalin was ultimately a failure as a
revolutionary for not instituting democratic reforms to put full
political control in the hands of the people??? Some "Stalinist!" But
thanks for confirming once again what a truly desperate liar you are,
Mr. Lobbyist!

See "Democracy in Cuba" at my website.


> > Like an old Nazi, it
>
> You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen
>

I see you still have no comment on Amnesty International's


condemnation of the torture and murder of opponents of the Bush in CIA
dungeons around the world, as well their condemnation of your beloved

embargo on humanitarian grounds. Not surprising. Instead you prefer to
lash out me with your pathetic attempts to discredit me -- each
repeatedly debunked here over the years. See, for example, the thread
"Top Official: US Wants Cuba 'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here
obligingly runs through almost his entire repertoire of desperate
lies, distortions and evasions (including those here) at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

Again, it is easy to imagine the reign of terror you would unleash on
the Cuba people if you ever got the chance again.

PL

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Nov 4, 2007, 7:18:50 PM11/4/07
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Summary:

Dan Christensen obtianed a mail under false pretence and post-edited it to
use it as a personal attack on his website.
Both the sender and recipient of the e-mail contacted his ISp to have it
removed and the ISP forced Dan to do so.
The facts are clear: Dan wanted the message on his site. The people he
misquoted and slandered wanted it removed.
The page was removed.
Dan Christensen lost and he still is pissed about it.

"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1194191602....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...


> On Nov 4, 4:28 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> >> You posted one mail in a series on which you tricked a person to copy
>> >> you
>> >> and post-edited it.
>>
>> > A blatant lie. It doesn't even make sense!
>>
>> Yes it does: you wanted to attack me and therefore posted a falsified out
>> of
>> context piece you obtained by misleading him
>>
> [snip]
>
> Again, the only thing I posted which he himself had not already posted
> at online forums

actually the only thing he had posted on an online forum was a message in
promedmail questioning Cuban "statistics" in a very polite way.
His private remarks were a lot harsher.

>> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
>> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>>
>> That is no lie comrade Dan.
>> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
>
> It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
> the work of perhaps only one man.

a UN report at the UN website

>> The fact that the resolution recommending actio to be taken wasn't voted
>> doesn't deminish its standing in any way.
>>
>
> It is diminished to being only the report of perhaps only a single
> person.

(snip)

Nope.
It is a UN report that like so many did not result UN action like recently
in the case of Myanmar.

PL

PL

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Nov 4, 2007, 7:22:28 PM11/4/07
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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194192667.7...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
(snip)

communism can't survive with democratic reforms.
Everybody knows that.
Communism depends of repression.

You support the system Stalin imposed on the people.
That makes you a "Stalinist".
You calim Cuba made "democratic refroms", but in fact there is no democracy.
You can't use your own lies to save your Stalinist ass comrade Dan.

>> > Like an old Nazi, it
>>
>> You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen
>>
>
> I see you still have no comment on Amnesty International's

(snip)

snipping the facts doesn't changeb them Dan:

You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen

You support a regime that:

PL

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Nov 4, 2007, 7:50:28 PM11/4/07
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The facts:

Dan wanted to post lies and insults on his website.
He put up a page.
We wanted it removed.
the page was removed: we won and Dan lost.

PL

Dan Christensen

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Nov 5, 2007, 12:26:14 AM11/5/07
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On Nov 4, 7:18 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> >> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that


> >> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>
> >> That is no lie comrade Dan.
> >> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
>
> > It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
> > the work of perhaps only one man.
>
> a UN report at the UN website
>

There was a resolution defeated at the UNHRC and readers should
understand why. The text of report is at the UN website for historical
purposes. It is a lie to call it a "UN assessment" as you continue to
do at your lying website. Not only was the author's recommendations in
the form of a resolution rejected by the organization that
commissioned the report, but it was never brought before the General
Assembly. Once again, we see what a truly desperate liar you are, Mr.
Lobbyist.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 5, 2007, 12:44:03 AM11/5/07
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On Nov 4, 7:22 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> >> > Like an old Nazi, it


>
> >> You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen
>
> > I see you still have no comment on Amnesty International's
>
> (snip)
>
> snipping the facts doesn't changeb them Dan:
>

Not commenting on the facts won't make them go away, Mr. Lobbyist. In
this case, it just exposes you for the fantical extremist that you
are.

Again, we are STILL waiting for your comment on Amnesty
International's condemnation of the torture and murder of opponents of
the Bush regime in secret CIA dungeons around the world, as well AI's
condemnation of your beloved embargo on humanitarian grounds. Given
your extreme relectance to comment on these matters, it is easy to


imagine the reign of terror you would unleash on the Cuba people if

you ever got the chance again. Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist

Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
repeating over and again the same tired old lies and evasions,
desperately hoping that no one has noticed. If you have still have not
found those long-lost balls of yours, and have nothing new and
relevant to add, do not expect a reply from me on these matters.

PL

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Nov 5, 2007, 5:13:02 AM11/5/07
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On Nov 5, 6:26 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:18 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]

Like the fact that your website was exposed as a pack of lies that
those whose opinions were misrepresented nearly had shut down you
mean.
Get a life Dan: you wanted the page up, we wanted it down for it's
lies and violations of privacy.
Your ISP assessed the matter and forced you to take it down.

> > >> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
> > >> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>
> > >> That is no lie comrade Dan.
> > >> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
>
> > > It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
> > > the work of perhaps only one man.
>
> > a UN report at the UN website
>
> There was a resolution defeated at the UNHRC

Yep.
And that resolmution referred to the reoprt as it's foundation and
added a serious of recommendations on how to proceed.
That action plan was defeated mainly due to the large amount of
abstentions.
That in no way demishies the standing of this UN report.

>and readers should
> understand why. The text of report is at the UN website for historical
> purposes. It is a lie to call it a "UN assessment"

Nope it isn't.
It is a conclusion based on documented facts drawn by the rapporteur
the UN gave the mission to compile an official UN report.
He has never been discredited nor have his findings.
So: a correct quote correctly referenced.

PL

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Nov 5, 2007, 10:09:28 AM11/5/07
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On Nov 5, 6:26 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:18 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
> > >> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
> > >> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>
> > >> That is no lie comrade Dan.
> > >> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
>
> > > It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
> > > the work of perhaps only one man.
>
> > a UN report at the UN website
>
> There was a resolution defeated at the UNHRC and readers should
> understand why.

The resolution to act on the facts documented in the report was
blocked and a series of actions proposed did not go ahead.
The fact that the abstainers blocked the resolution in no way changes
the reported facts.
The facts were never disputed.
The remedy was blocked.
That is all.

Anyway: I give a link to the page with the full story which also has a
link to the blocked resolution.
Full disclosure to correctly reflect the UN point of view and the
politics in the committee (fior which it was and again is infamous).
You can't hide behind the politics Mr. hypocrite Propagandist,

PL

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Nov 5, 2007, 2:11:36 PM11/5/07
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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194241443.1...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 4, 7:22 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]

Like the fact that communist regimes can't survice free and fair elections
you mean.
"Democracy" under Stalin.
You really are warped.
Only diehard Stalinists would claim there was any democracy under Stalin,
one of the bloodiest dictators in human history.

>> >> > Like an old Nazi, it
>>
>> >> You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen
>>
>> > I see you still have no comment on Amnesty International's
>>
>> (snip)
>>

>> snipping the facts doesn't change them Dan:


>>
>
> Not commenting on the facts

(snip)

I am commenting on the facts: this is about Cuba, Dan.
Not your pet hate the US, but about your pet dictator.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 5, 2007, 5:43:16 PM11/5/07
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On Nov 5, 10:09 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:26 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 4, 7:18 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> > to bother with]
>
> > > >> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
> > > >> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>
> > > >> That is no lie comrade Dan.
> > > >> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
>
> > > > It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
> > > > the work of perhaps only one man.
>
> > > a UN report at the UN website
>
> > There was a resolution defeated at the UNHRC and readers should
> > understand why.
>
> The resolution to act on the facts documented in the report was
> blocked and a series of actions proposed did not go ahead.
> The fact that the abstainers blocked the resolution in no way changes
> the reported facts.

Huh? Abstainers cannot "block" anything.

Again, the recommendations of the author in the form of a resolution
was defeated by the organization that commissioned the report (the
UNHRC). And it was not voted on by any other UN body. The report was
shelved and the author's mandate as Special Rapporteur was terminated.
Contrary to your lying website then, this report cannot be seen as a
"UN assessment." Once again, we see what a truly desperate liar you
are, Mr. Lobbyist.

Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .

MasterChief

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Nov 5, 2007, 7:57:58 PM11/5/07
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They shut him down? Great news
"PL" <P...@pandora.be> wrote in message
news:1194257582.3...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

PL

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Nov 6, 2007, 3:42:31 AM11/6/07
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On Nov 6, 1:57 am, "MasterChief" <1...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> They shut him down? Great news"PL" <P...@pandora.be> wrote in message

They forced him to remove part of it (a while ago already).

PL

> >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%...


>
> > "It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
> > this
> > time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send
> > death
> > squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
>
> > Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
> > these
> > so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
> > justified
> > under the circumstances."
>

> >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%...


>
> > Unquote.
>
> > You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
> > International,
> > Genocide Watch, ..........
>
> > Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
>
> > That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.
>
> > As I said comrade Dan: every time you post that lie about me I post
> > the
> > truth about you.
>
> > Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
> > vacation
> > in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that time
> > prove).
>
> > This was your false claim: "Taking a little break from arm-twisting
> > in
> > Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
>
> > Link:
>

> >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?...


>
> > Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your
> > lies.
>
> > Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
> > ones
> > below:
>
> > YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
>
> > "It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
> > that he
> > does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting of your
> > beloved embargo."
>

> >http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?...

PL

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Nov 6, 2007, 3:58:18 AM11/6/07
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On Nov 5, 11:43 pm, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 10:09 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 5, 6:26 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 4, 7:18 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > > [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> > > to bother with]
>
> > > > >> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to remove that
> > > > >> > lie of yours about that supposed "UN assessment" at your website.
>
> > > > >> That is no lie comrade Dan.
> > > > >> The report is a UN report by a UN rapporteur.
>
> > > > > It is NOT, as it says at your lying website, a "UN assessment." It is
> > > > > the work of perhaps only one man.
>
> > > > a UN report at the UN website
>
> > > There was a resolution defeated at the UNHRC and readers should
> > > understand why.
>
> > The resolution to act on the facts documented in the report was
> > blocked and a series of actions proposed did not go ahead.
> > The fact that the abstainers blocked the resolution in no way changes
> > the reported facts.
>
> Huh? Abstainers cannot "block" anything.

if a third of those that can vote abstain they block a clear decision.

> Again, the recommendations of the author in the form of a resolution
> was defeated

(snip)

Nope.
A resolution that proposed extended sanctions based on the report and
other facts including actions going beyond the recommendations of the
rapporteur was politically defeated by one vote mainly due to the
abstentions. The fact that people can't be persuaded to take actions
above and beyond the recommendations of the rapporteur does not mean
that any iota of the report is questioned.
Get a life desperate Dan. The UN report by the rapporteur stands
despite the fact that the resolution to impose sanctions failed.
In the commission it is all politics anyway.
The report deals with reality.

In no way that deminishes the standing of the report and it is part of
the UN record on human rights abuses in Cuba.

Those that want to see what you are all about Mr. hypocrite
Propagandist just have to read below to see who really falsifies data
on the we (website and usenet).

krp

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Nov 6, 2007, 10:22:45 AM11/6/07
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COMRADE

"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194302596.0...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>
> Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
> repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
> hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
> add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .


Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
website has had legal troubles. We have seen evidence that YOURS has. You
have even admitted to having been forced to remove some material. Of course
if you were forced to remove everything that isn't factual, then you'd not
have a website.


Dan Christensen

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Nov 6, 2007, 1:53:30 PM11/6/07
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On Nov 6, 3:58 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> > Again, the recommendations of the author in the form of a resolution


> > was defeated
>
> (snip)
>
> Nope.
> A resolution that proposed extended sanctions

A blatant lie -- as usual. No mention was made of any sanctions in the
resolution.


> based on the report and
> other facts including actions going beyond the recommendations of the
> rapporteur was politically defeated by one vote mainly due to the
> abstentions.
> The fact that people can't be persuaded to take actions
> above and beyond the recommendations of the rapporteur does not mean
> that any iota of the report is questioned.

The resolution commending this report, and calling for the Cuban
government to carry out its recommendations, and for the author's
mandate as Special Rapporteur to be extended was defeated. The SR's
mandate was subsequently terminated.

http://www.hri.ca/fortherecord1998/documentation/commission/e-cn4-1998-l89.htm

As such, it is a lie to say, as you do at your lying website, that
this report is somehow a "UN assessment."

Dan Christensen

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Nov 6, 2007, 2:09:29 PM11/6/07
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On Nov 6, 10:22 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> COMRADE"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194302596.0...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
> > repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
> > hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
> > add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
>
> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
> website has had legal troubles.

I don't know about his "legal troubles," but I have shown that PL is
lying when says the report in question is a "UN assessment."


> We have seen evidence that YOURS has.

PL's claim in this regard has been thoroughly debunked here. (See
above)

PL

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Nov 6, 2007, 3:53:29 PM11/6/07
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Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Nov 6, 10:22 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> COMRADE"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194302596.0...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
>>> repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
>>> hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
>>> add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
>> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
>> website has had legal troubles.
>
> I don't know about his "legal troubles,"

I don't have any, Dan, as unlike you I don't get involved in publishing
illegal content.
You came very close to being barred by your ISP and being sued.
Your co-apologist Cubalibre went to jail for his abuses and the website
of the Centre has been offline for over a year.
Lying apologists tend to get in to trouble.

> but I have shown that PL is
> lying when says the report in question is a "UN assessment."

Nope.
you failed as usual.

>> We have seen evidence that YOURS has.
>
> PL's claim in this regard has been thoroughly debunked here.

Nope.
Your pathetic lie has been exposed.

PL

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194376169....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

>> > Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
>> > repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
>> > hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
>> > add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
>>
>> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
>> website has had legal troubles.
>
> I don't know about his "legal troubles," but I have shown that PL is
> lying when says the report in question is a "UN assessment."


So - in other words Danny - you just LIED yet again!!!!


Dan Christensen

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Nov 6, 2007, 6:16:35 PM11/6/07
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On Nov 6, 3:53 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> Dan Christensen wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 10:22 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> COMRADE"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1194302596.0...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
> >>> repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
> >>> hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
> >>> add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
> >> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
> >> website has had legal troubles.
>
> > I don't know about his "legal troubles,"
>
> I don't have any, Dan, as unlike you I don't get involved in publishing
> illegal content.

Already debunked here.


> You came very close to being barred by your ISP and being sued.

When I removed your lies from my website, everyone was satisfied. (See
above.) Despite this, you ended up with massive amounts of egg on your
face when your own source personally exposed your lies about him. Just
like your lies about Dr. Thiede, who also wrote to personally expose
your lies about him. Actually, it was the same lie in both cases --
that they believed that Cuban health stats were somehow falsified. I
guess this is what you are reduced to when the truth is so seldom of
any use to you, eh, Mr. Lobbyist?

> Your co-apologist Cubalibre went to jail for his abuses and the website
> of the Centre has been offline for over a year.

Sounds like another lobbyist whopper to me.


> Lying apologists tend to get in to trouble.

Then you had better have that lie about the UN removed from your
website. They might be interested to know how you are misrepresenting
a document as the view of that orginization at your lying website.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 6, 2007, 6:25:49 PM11/6/07
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You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
at his lying website that the document in question represented the
view of the UN.

MasterChief

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Nov 6, 2007, 9:20:11 PM11/6/07
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They should force him to move to Cuba and sell his ass for a living

"PL" <P...@pandora.be> wrote in message
news:1194338551.3...@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

PL

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Nov 7, 2007, 6:04:18 AM11/7/07
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On Nov 7, 3:20 am, "MasterChief" <1...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> They should force him to move to Cuba and sell his ass for a living


and we miss al the fun laughing about him here?

PL

PL

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Nov 7, 2007, 6:32:07 AM11/7/07
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On Nov 7, 12:16 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 3:53 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dan Christensen wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 10:22 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> COMRADE"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:1194302596.0...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>> Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
> > >>> repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
> > >>> hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
> > >>> add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
> > >> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
> > >> website has had legal troubles.
>
> > > I don't know about his "legal troubles,"
>
> > I don't have any, Dan, as unlike you I don't get involved in publishing
> > illegal content.
>
> Already debunked here.
>
> > You came very close to being barred by your ISP and being sued.
>
> When I removed your lies from my website, everyone was satisfied.

Nope.
When you removed YOUr lies from the website we and your ISP were
satified and you are still pissed.

(See
> above.) Despite this, you ended up with massive amounts of egg on your
> face when your own source personally exposed your lies about him.

actually: he exposed YOUR lies about him by joining me in having part
of your website removed.

>Just
> like your lies about Dr. Thiede, who also wrote to personally expose
> your lies about him.

(snip)

Dr. thiede never posted anything to contradict his public record.
You just lied again claiming you hade "private knwoledg".
Claiming you have private e-mails which you of course don't publish
that go against the public record is one of your moronic tricks you
have tried a couple of times.
You were the laughing stock of SCC when you did so aboput Genocide
Watch: you even got the numbers wrong.
It is indeed hard to keep track of all your lies I guess.

> > Your co-apologist Cubalibre went to jail for his abuses and the website
> > of the Centre has been offline for over a year.
>
> Sounds like another lobbyist whopper to me.

Nope.
see: www.centre-erensto-che-guevara.org

Cubalibre:
http://groups.google.be/group/fr.soc.politique/msg/5373c23527ad46a6

an appeal for help for "Cubalibre":
http://groups.google.be/group/fr.soc.politique/msg/4367a1e81123358c?dmode=source


No "whopper", facts again Mr. Hypocrite Propagandist.

> > Lying apologists tend to get in to trouble.
>
> Then you had better have that lie about the UN removed

there is no lie on that site comrade Dan.
Lots of lies on yours as documented.

krp

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"MasterChief" <1...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> They should force him to move to Cuba and sell his ass for a living

Who'd PAY for Christensen's ass? The ONLY way Dan Christen could sell
his ass, would be if he had one slaughtered and opened a restaurant and said
it was STEAK.


krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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>> >> > Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
>> >> > repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
>> >> > hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
>> >> > add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
>>
>> >> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
>> >> website has had legal troubles.
>>
>> > I don't know about his "legal troubles," but I have shown that PL is
>> > lying when says the report in question is a "UN assessment."
>>
>> So - in other words Danny - you just LIED yet again!!!!

> You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> view of the UN.

No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems with HIS
website, when in FACT, it was yours that ran afoul of the law in Canada and
you had to remove parts of it. That is not what PL said and you know it. I
have yet to see PL do what you do on a regular basis. Falsify information
with amazing regularity and try to explain it away, such as your editorial
revisions of the text of Amnesty International statements. You have done the
same with other agencies statements as well as you remove or add text to
suit whatever political bullshit point you are trying to make at the moment.
I don't always agree with PL on everything, but I have NEVER see him
outright FALSIFY information as I see you do with unique regularity.
Misrepresented photos with claims they were of Brothers to the Rescue planes
etc. Danny boy, your reputation for honesty here is a bit short, that's why
you have to use your own website as your primary source for authority on
issues. You become your own primary reference. I still cannot figure out why
you think your bullshit on your website is any more credible than your
bullshit here? Bullshit is bullshit. Even the stink stays the same Danny.

How does it feel buying into an ideology that has been responsible for
killing over 200 MILLION human beings? So many it makes Tojo and Hitler look
like amateurs?

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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> On Nov 6, 3:59 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194376169....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
>> >> > repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
>> >> > hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
>> >> > add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
>>
>> >> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
>> >> website has had legal troubles.
>>
>> > I don't know about his "legal troubles," but I have shown that PL is
>> > lying when says the report in question is a "UN assessment."
>>
>> So - in other words Danny - you just LIED yet again!!!!
>
> You mean PL lied again.

Nope.
You kied again.

> Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> view of the UN.

I don't have to.
The UN website does.

PL

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 7, 7:02 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:

[snipping portions of Kenny's posting already debunked here, or too
lame to bother with]


> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> > view of the UN.
>
> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems with HIS
> website,

Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.


> when in FACT, it was yours that ran afoul of the law in Canada and
> you had to remove parts of it.

Already debunked here. See above.


> That is not what PL said and you know it.

[snip]

We all know that, at PL's lying website, he continues to try to pass
off a document that was actually rejected by the UNHRC as being a "UN
assessment." And he got his butt kicked big-time. As he always does.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 7, 2007, 11:47:16 PM11/7/07
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On Nov 7, 2:50 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194391549....@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:59 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1194376169....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > Anyway, it seems you have once again been reduced to mindlessly
> >> >> > repeating your failed arguments over and over again, desperately
> >> >> > hoping that no one has noticed. If you have nothing or relevant to
> >> >> > add, do expect a reply from me on this matter .
>
> >> >> Danny I would like to see some support for your claim that "PL'S"
> >> >> website has had legal troubles.
>
> >> > I don't know about his "legal troubles," but I have shown that PL is
> >> > lying when says the report in question is a "UN assessment."
>
> >> So - in other words Danny - you just LIED yet again!!!!
>
> > You mean PL lied again.
>
> Nope.
> You kied again.
>
> > Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> > view of the UN.
>
> I don't have to.
> The UN website does.
>

Now you are saying that, not just you, but the UN itself is passing
off this report, which was rejected by the UNHRC and never brought
before the General Assembly, as representing its views! Do you EVER
stop lying, Mr. Lobbyist???

PL

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Nov 8, 2007, 6:42:32 AM11/8/07
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On Nov 8, 5:33 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 7:02 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of Kenny's posting already debunked here, or too
> lame to bother with]
>
> > > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> > > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> > > view of the UN.
>
> > No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems with HIS
> > website,
>
> Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>
> > when in FACT, it was yours that ran afoul of the law in Canada and
> > you had to remove parts of it.
>
> Already debunked here. See above.

Nope.
extensively proven

> > That is not what PL said and you know it.
>
> [snip]
>
> We all know that, at PL's lying website, he continues to try to pass
> off a document that was actually rejected by the UNHRC as being a "UN
> assessment."

I am saying nobody is "passing of the report".
It is a UN report prepared by a special rapporteur mandated by the UN
to draft it in it's name.
You are just a desperate liar.
That is clear for all to see.

PL

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Nov 8, 2007, 6:44:15 AM11/8/07
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(snip)

I am saying nobody is "passing of the report".
It is a UN report prepared by a special rapporteur mandated by the UN
to draft it in it's name.
You are just a desperate liar.

That is what I am saying.

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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>> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
>> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
>> > view of the UN.

>> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems with
>> HIS
>> website,

> Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.

Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International. THAT has
been replayed MANY times. ALL of your claims about photos of the Brothers to
the Rescue Planes have been LIES Danny. Again and again you have been
caught in LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE, and even had your own ISP "FORCE" yo to
remove some personal libelous lies from your site or have ther entire site
removed and you BANNED.

>> when in FACT, it was yours that ran afoul of the law in Canada and
>> you had to remove parts of it.

> Already debunked here. See above.

See what? Your chest thumping Danny? NO FACTS of ANY kind just your
usual "SEE MY WEBSITE" which is BULLSHIT.

>> That is not what PL said and you know it.

> [snip and LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE]

> We all know that, at PL's lying website, he continues to try to pass
> off a document that was actually rejected by the UNHRC as being a "UN
> assessment." And he got his butt kicked big-time. As he always does.

And YOU, COMRADE Christensen have been CAUGHT repeatedly ALTERING
sources you quote and out and out FALSIFYING claims.
(see BTR photos)


Dan Christensen

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Nov 8, 2007, 8:56:57 PM11/8/07
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[snip]

It is not a UN report or "assessment" as you call it at your lying
website unless the UN approved it. In this case, neither the
organization commissioning the report (the UNHRC), nor the General
Assembly approved it. In fact, the UNHRC actually rejected this report
(according to your own link). Unless you can prove otherwise, do not
expect a reply from me on this matter. Once again, we see what a truly


desperate liar you are, Mr. Lobbyist.

Dan

Dan Christensen

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Nov 8, 2007, 8:58:52 PM11/8/07
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On Nov 8, 6:44 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie:
>
> Quote me

[snip]

You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,
the schmoozing, the golf games, etc. Too bad! It is now a matter of
public record. In addition to your own words here, we have your
prodigious production stats here and at other forums.

For all the quotes and details, see the thread "Top Official: US Wants
Cuba 'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here obligingly runs through
almost his entire repertoire of desperate lies, distortions and
evasions, including those here, each debunked by yours truly at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

Really, isn't it time for you to come clean on this matter, Mr.
Lobbyist? Your continued denials only serve to undermine what little
credibility you have left. Until you can do so, and if you are simply
going to keep repeating your tired old lies and evasions, do not


expect a reply from me on this matter.

> Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report


> quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
> report
> that:

> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

[snip]

That was 4 years ago. As AI reiterated earlier this year:

"Amnesty International has called for the US embargo against Cuba to
be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range
of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,
health and sanitation - particularly affecting the weakest and most
vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the
availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in
Cuba as a consequence of the US embargo against the island." (AI
website)

Also see featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at
my website.

Mr. Lobbyist would actually have you believe that, despite their
obvious condemnation of his beloved embargo here, AI would actually
support these cruel sanctions of his for as long as it takes for
certain of his "preconditions" to be met! Yes, he really is that
desperate, that stupid and that cruel! Whatever it takes, right, Mr.
Lobbyist?

Message has been deleted

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 8, 9:36 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
bother with]

> >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim


> >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> >> > view of the UN.
> >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems with
> >> HIS
> >> website,
> > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>

> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International. [snip]

Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't. But thanks for confirming you
lied when you claimed I said that "PL has legal problems with his
[lying] website." Fortunately for your mentor here, it is not illegal
post lies about Cuba on the internet. It's actually a big business!

PL

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Nov 9, 2007, 4:25:48 AM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 3:17 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 9:36 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
> bother with]
>
> > >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> > >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> > >> > view of the UN.
> > >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems with
> > >> HIS
> > >> website,
> > > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>
> > Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International. [snip]
>
> Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't

actually anyone can. (see below)

> Fortunately for your mentor here, it is not illegal
> post lies about Cuba on the internet.

actually it can be Dan as your case has shown.
You vioplated the law posting about Cuba and had to remove the
offending part from your website,

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report


quoted
below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same report
that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in
to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

"in 1.

In 8.1

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on


Cuba in
humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

PL

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Nov 9, 2007, 4:29:23 AM11/9/07
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yes it is.
A report commissioned by the UN from a specially mandated rapporteur
all with standard UN procedure.

> as you call it at your lying
> website


as the proof below shows: your website is the "lying" one.
You just lie abut Cuba Verdad.

>unless the UN approved it. In this case, neither the
> organization commissioning the report (the UNHRC), nor the General
> Assembly approved it.

get real Dan.
The report was duly received and used as the basis of the further
political process at the UN.
A UN special rapporteurs report in good standing posted on the
official UN website.
Not like the crap Mr, Ziegler is forced to post on a separate website.

Your desperate claim that any and all document needs approval of the
UN general assembly or another general body exposes you as the
desperate Hypocrite Propagandist you are.
According to your desperate logic a statement by the UN General
Secretary isn't a "UN statement". Absurd logic. Actually an desperate
attempt to insert corrupted logic in the discussion. Logic corrupted
by dogmatic fervor.
You will clearly lower yourself to anything in your pathetic personal
revenge attacks.
Your website got exposed and had to remove pages. Learn to live with
it.
It is clear you haven't learned from it as you continue to lie.

PL

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Nov 9, 2007, 4:39:20 AM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 2:58 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 6:44 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

Whenever Dan Christensen get stuck he snips, runs and post vile
personal attacks and lies.

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
> > Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie:
>
> > Quote me
>
> [snip]
>
> You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
> some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,
> the schmoozing, the golf games, etc.

(snip)

we all know about your "long running lie" here.
The best proof: ask him to quote me on the "golf" thing for example or
any
other part.
Dan can't produce andy quotes and has been unable to do so for years.
Whenever he gets stuck he starts posting insults like "nazi", "cia
agent",
"lobbyist" ... in the hope to smear the peson as he can't refute the
facts.

There is no "indescretion" comrade Dan Christensen and your constant
inablility to post direct quotes with links shows that you know you
are
lying Mr. Cyber-Liar
and Cyber-Stalker.

> >
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

Nothing there comrade Dan. No links and quotes. Just you repeating
your
lies.

Try something like this:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that
time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your
lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)

that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report


quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
report
that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade sanctions in that report, are they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from

these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on


Cuba
in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate
and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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> [snipping portions of Kenny's posting already debunked here, or too

> lame to bother with meaning Danny had to remove FACTS he can't refute]

>> >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
>> >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
>> >> > view of the UN.
>> >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems
>> >> with
>> >> HIS
>> >> website,
>> > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International.

> [snip and LIE LIE LIE]

> Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.

Sure you admitted it and tried to explain it away as editorial license.


Dan Christensen

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On Nov 9, 4:29 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> > It is not a UN report or "assessment"
>
> yes it is.
> A report commissioned by the UN from a specially mandated rapporteur
> all with standard UN procedure.
>

According to your own link, the rapporteur's mandate was terminated as
result of the UNHRC rejecting his report.


> > as you call it at your lying
> > website

> >unless the UN approved it. In this case, neither the
> > organization commissioning the report (the UNHRC), nor the General
> > Assembly approved it.
>
> get realDan.
> The report was duly received and used as the basis of the further
> political process at the UN.

A resolution commending the report and calling on the Cuban government
to follow its recommendations was rejected by the UNHRC who originally
commissioned it. And it was never brought before the General Assembly.
To call it a "UN assessment" as you do at your lying website is,
therefore, a lie.


> A UN special rapporteurs report in good standing posted on the
> official UN website.

[snip]

Again, his mandate was terminated immediately afterwards. His report
is only on the UN website for historical reasons ("For the record"),
not because it reflects the views of the UN as you would have readers
believe. Once again, we see what a truly desperate liar you are, Mr.

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194574670....@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

>
>> >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
>> >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
>> >> > view of the UN.
>> >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems
>> >> with
>> >> HIS
>> >> website,
>> > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International. [snip]
>
> Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.

If I wanted to waste my time and do it for the 30th time I could. When you
posted what AI released you changed it by adding your own comments to it.
When I called you on it you TRIED to defend it as some sort of literary
license.


Dan Christensen

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Nov 9, 2007, 1:08:28 PM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 4:25 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
bother with]

> > Fortunately for your mentor here, it is not illegal


> > post lies about Cuba on the internet.
>

> actually it can beDanas your case has shown.


> You vioplated the law posting about Cuba and had to remove the
> offending part from your website,
>

Already thoroughly debunked here. See above.


> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
>

[snip the same old Nazi rationalizations]

No lie, Mr. Lobbyist. AI has repeatedly condemned your beloved embargo
on humanitarian grounds and called for its lifting without conditions.
And we have been waiting for several months now for you to comment
their most recent condemnation. What are you afraid of, Mr. Lobbyist?

Our fascist friend here would actually have you believe that AI would
support these cruel sanctions against the Cuban people for as long as
it takes for his various "precondtions" to be met. Yes, he really is


that desperate, that stupid and that cruel! Whatever it takes, right,
Mr. Lobbyist?

See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my
website.

Dan

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194573532....@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 8, 6:44 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

> You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
> some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,

He didn't, YOU made it up and are LYING again Danny. When you have been
asked to PROVE that PLY made ANY such admission, you provide a link, too bad
it is only to an EARLIER post from YOU making the same allegation and NOT to
anything that originated with PL. You do that all the time Danny boy. You
use yourself as authority. When you are challenged you say "SEE MY WEBSITE"
where we are treated to the SAME bullshit - - FROM YOU - there that you
spread here, but the same thing it is always YOU making the claims. And when
you DO quote somebody like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch you
ALWAYS alter the text of what THEY have said by inserting language of your
own. Don't ask me to "prove it" PL just did AGAIN how you inserted words
into the AI Text. At least you are smarter now than to TRY to explain it
away as "editorial license" that "everyone can see is legitimate
commentary." NO DANNY.
Legitimate commentary on quotes is done OUTSIDE the document being quoted
and is CLEARLY identified and NOT from the original source.


Dan Christensen

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Nov 9, 2007, 1:14:11 PM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 12:53 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
[snip]

> >> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International.

> > [snip]


> > Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>
> Sure you admitted it and tried to explain it away as editorial license.

Bullshit! But thanks for confirmng that, once again, you have no
proof to support your outrageous claims. What else is new?

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194632051.2...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>
>> >> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International.
>> > [snip]
>> > Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> Sure you admitted it and tried to explain it away as editorial license.
>
> Bullshit! But thanks for confirmng that, once again, you have no
> proof to support your outrageous claims. What else is new?


Nope maybe you missed PL posting your ALTERATION just a little while ago.


PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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> On Nov 9, 4:29 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> > It is not a UN report or "assessment"
>>
>> yes it is.
>> A report commissioned by the UN from a specially mandated rapporteur
>> all with standard UN procedure.
>>
>
> According to your own link, the rapporteur's mandate was terminated as
> result of the UNHRC rejecting his report.

Nope.
They never rejected his report.
They declined to act on it for political reasons.

>> > as you call it at your lying
>> > website
>> >unless the UN approved it. In this case, neither the
>> > organization commissioning the report (the UNHRC), nor the General
>> > Assembly approved it.
>>
>> get realDan.
>> The report was duly received and used as the basis of the further
>> political process at the UN.
>
> A resolution commending the report and calling on the Cuban government
> to follow its recommendations was rejected by the UNHRC

(snip)

The fact that the resolution to act upon it failed for political reasons
means nothing Dan.
UN officials reported on the killings in Myanmar and recommended action.
Nothing happened.
That doesn't mean the people didn't die as reported.

>> A UN special rapporteurs report in good standing posted on the
>> official UN website.
>
> [snip]
>
> Again, his mandate was terminated immediately afterwards.

Nothing to do with anything and in no way a reflection on him or his work.

> His report
> is only on the UN website for historical reasons ("For the record"),

Yep.
It is "on the record" as a UN report written under instruction and guidance
from the UN.
A UN report.

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194631708.2...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 9, 4:25 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
> bother with]
>
>> > Fortunately for your mentor here, it is not illegal
>> > post lies about Cuba on the internet.
>>
>> actually it can beDanas your case has shown.
>> You vioplated the law posting about Cuba and had to remove the
>> offending part from your website,
>>
>
> Already thoroughly debunked here. See above.
>
>
>> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
>>
> [snip the same old Nazi rationalizations]

Snipping the facts doesn't change them.
The links are there to corroborate everything I say.
Unlike you I don't need to lie.


You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen

You support a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:
the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
...
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:


Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.....

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote


> No lie, Mr. Lobbyist. AI has repeatedly condemned your beloved embargo
> on humanitarian grounds and called for its lifting without conditions.

Nope it hasn't and you are going to prove me right again by failing to quote
AI asking for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the trade sanctions as
you have claimed.
You posted a similar lie about Wayne Smith.
Both are documented below.
Again you abuse falsified snippets for propaganda purposes.
Amnesty has demanded the immediate and unconditional release of the 75
political prisoners.
They use the words when the want to and avoid them when they don't mean to
say so.
You are misquoting them and falsifying the record Mr. Serial Liar.
(proof below)

> Our fascist friend

Youy are the only "fascist" here Dan.
You are the Serial Liar and below the lie is again exposed.

Try something like this:

Quote:

.......

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Dan Christensen

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Why don't you dig it up for us, Kennykins?

Dan Christensen

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Nov 9, 2007, 4:59:28 PM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 3:14 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
bother with]

> >> > Fortunately for your mentor here, it is not illegal
> >> > post lies about Cuba on the internet.
>
> >> actually it can beDanas your case has shown.
> >> You vioplated the law posting about Cuba and had to remove the
> >> offending part from your website,
>
> > Already thoroughly debunked here. See above.
>
> >> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
>
> > [snip the same old Nazi rationalizations]
>
> Snipping the facts doesn't change them.
> The links are there to corroborate everything I say.

They corroborate only what a desperate liar you are -- desperately
trying to suggest that AI would actually support these cruel sanctions
against the Cuban people for as long as it takes for your various
"preconditions" to met. Are you really that stupid or are you just
desperately hoping that everyone else here is?


> Unlike you I don't need to lie.
>

Your lies here are legendary, Mr. Lobbyist. And they just keep on
coming. In this this thread alone, you have introduced several new
ones.


> You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen
>

[snip]

You are the one who supports murder, torture and genocide -- whatever
it takes to advance the interests of your political masters, right,
Mr. Lobbyist? You have repeatedly refused to comment on the murder and
torture of their opponents in secret jails around the world, as
documented my Amnesty International. And you have repeatedly refused
to comment on the fact that AI has recently reiterated their
condemnation of your beloved embargo on humanitarian grounds, and on
their call for it to be lifted unconditionally. Makes you proud, don't
it, Nazi boy -- your very own Final Solution! One can just imagine the
reign of terror you would unleash on the Cuban people if you ever got
the chance again!

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 9, 1:12 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194573532....@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 8, 6:44 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
> > You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
> > some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,
>
> He didn't, YOU made it up and are LYING again Danny.

[snip]

It's all STILL there, Kennykins, (link in previous posting) --
including direct quotes of PL bragging about his lobbying exploits,
etc. -- along with your own stunning performance to snag the first
annual SCC Loser of the Year award. (Kenny has won it every year
since. I don't know about this year though. PL is putting in a very
strong performance here -- it's just one desperate lie after another!
It's hilarious!)

> And when
> you DO quote somebody like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch you
> ALWAYS alter the text of what THEY have said by inserting language of your
> own.

STILL waiting for your proof, Kennykins.

Dan Christensen

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On Nov 9, 1:03 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194574670....@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the claim
> >> >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented the
> >> >> > view of the UN.
> >> >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems
> >> >> with
> >> >> HIS
> >> >> website,
> >> > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>
> >> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International. [snip]
>
> > Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>
> If I wanted to waste my time and do it for the 30th time I could.

Loser.

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194646544.3...@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 9, 1:12 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194573532....@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Nov 8, 6:44 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> > You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
>> > some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,
>>
>> He didn't, YOU made it up and are LYING again Danny.
>
> [snip]
>
> It's all STILL there, Kennykins, (link in previous posting) --


Nope.
Just a link to your lies.

PL

PL

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Nov 9, 2007, 5:52:49 PM11/9/07
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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194646764.5...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 9, 1:03 pm, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194574670....@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the
>> >> >> > claim
>> >> >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > view of the UN.
>> >> >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> HIS
>> >> >> website,
>> >> > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> >> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International.
>> >> [snip]
>>
>> > Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> If I wanted to waste my time and do it for the 30th time I could.
>
> Loser.

that is indeed what you are: an exposed liar that lost part of his website.

PL

PL

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Nov 9, 2007, 5:55:27 PM11/9/07
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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194645568.2...@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 9, 3:14 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
> bother with]
>
>> >> > Fortunately for your mentor here, it is not illegal
>> >> > post lies about Cuba on the internet.
>>
>> >> actually it can beDanas your case has shown.
>> >> You vioplated the law posting about Cuba and had to remove the
>> >> offending part from your website,
>>
>> > Already thoroughly debunked here. See above.
>>
>> >> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
>>
>> > [snip the same old Nazi rationalizations]
>>
>> Snipping the facts doesn't change them.
>> The links are there to corroborate everything I say.
>
> They corroborate only what a desperate liar you are

Nope.
they show nowhere Amnesty said what you falsely claimed.
(see below)

>> Unlike you I don't need to lie.
>>
>
> Your lies here are legendary, Mr. Lobbyist.

Nope comrade Dan.
You are Mr. Serial Liar

>
>> You are the only one with a "Nazi" attitude Dan Christensen
>>
>
> [snip]
>
> You are the one who supports murder, torture and genocide

(snip)

You are.
You are also going to expose yourself as a liar by failing to post even ONE
quote from me supporting murder, torture or genocide.
All you can do is repeat your lies like the good follower of Goebbels you
are.

Try something like this:

Quote:

.......

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 9, 2007, 6:12:54 PM11/9/07
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On Nov 9, 3:07 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> >> > It is not a UN report or "assessment"
>
> >> yes it is.
> >> A report commissioned by the UN from a specially mandated rapporteur
> >> all with standard UN procedure.
>
> > According to your own link, the rapporteur's mandate was terminated as
> > result of the UNHRC rejecting his report.
>
> Nope.
> They never rejected his report.

In denial, as always, eh, Mr. Lobbyist?


> They declined to act on it for political reasons.
>
> >> > as you call it at your lying
> >> > website
> >> >unless the UN approved it. In this case, neither the
> >> > organization commissioning the report (the UNHRC), nor the General
> >> > Assembly approved it.
>
> >> get realDan.
> >> The report was duly received and used as the basis of the further
> >> political process at the UN.
>
> > A resolution commending the report and calling on the Cuban government
> > to follow its recommendations was rejected by the UNHRC
>
> (snip)
>
> The fact that the resolution to act upon it failed for political reasons
> means nothing Dan.

It means you are lying at your website when you say this is report is
a "UN assessment." What else can you do, I suppose, when the truth is
so seldom of any use to you?

Anyway, it seems you have been reduced once again to mindlessly
repeating your failed arguments here, desperately hoping that no one
has noticed. If you have nothing new or relevant to add, do not expect


a reply from me on this matter.

Dan

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194649974....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 9, 3:07 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> >> > It is not a UN report or "assessment"
>>
>> >> yes it is.
>> >> A report commissioned by the UN from a specially mandated rapporteur
>> >> all with standard UN procedure.
>>
>> > According to your own link, the rapporteur's mandate was terminated as
>> > result of the UNHRC rejecting his report.
>>
>> Nope.
>> They never rejected his report.
>
> In denial, as always, eh, Mr. Lobbyist?

Nope stating facts.

>> They declined to act on it for political reasons.
>>
>> >> > as you call it at your lying
>> >> > website
>> >> >unless the UN approved it. In this case, neither the
>> >> > organization commissioning the report (the UNHRC), nor the General
>> >> > Assembly approved it.
>>
>> >> get realDan.
>> >> The report was duly received and used as the basis of the further
>> >> political process at the UN.
>>
>> > A resolution commending the report and calling on the Cuban government
>> > to follow its recommendations was rejected by the UNHRC
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> The fact that the resolution to act upon it failed for political reasons
>> means nothing Dan.
>
> It means you are lying at your website when you say this is report is
> a "UN assessment."

actually it shows that the statement is correct.
The UN commissioned a report by the special rapporteur that made the
assessment.
Unlike lots of the Ziegler statements it is listed at their website as an
official UN report.

> What else can you do, I suppose, when the truth is so seldom of any use to
> you?

That applies to you Dan with your snippets, lies and unreferenced misquotes.
Your website is a pack of lies that has been exposed over and over again.
Part of it has been removed after complaints and I have shamed you often
enough to change it to avoid you further embarrassment (lie exposing the lie
about the alleged picture of a BTTR plane on your site).
Anyway all can see that this is no more than another of your spiteful
slanderous attacks.

> Anyway, it seems you have been reduced once again to mindlessly
> repeating your failed arguments

I repeat facts Dan.
Anyone that reads this thread again will see that it is a long series of
personal attacks, failed arguments and shameful retreats by Dan Christensen,
the hypocrite Stalinist propagandist and serial liar of SCC.
Below is again the standard sample of your lies posted whenever you post
your favorite lie about me.
that shows people again what you are al about.

krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194644039.5...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

>> >> >> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International.
>> >> > [snip]

>> >> > Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> >> Sure you admitted it and tried to explain it away as editorial
>> >> license.
>
>> > Bullshit! But thanks for confirmng that, once again, you have no
>> > proof to support your outrageous claims. What else is new?
>
>> Nope maybe you missed PL posting your ALTERATION just a little while ago.
>
> Why don't you dig it up for us, Kennykins?

Don't need to. PL posted it several times yesterday. And YOU were the one
forced to remove pages from your website or be kicked off your ISP, not PL.


krp

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FROM THE CANADIAN COMMUNIST PARTY

"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
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>> >> >> > You mean PL lied again. Try as he might, he cannot support the
>> >> >> > claim
>> >> >> > at his lying website that the document in question represented
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > view of the UN.
>> >> >> No Danny YOU are the liar here. You said that PL has legal problems
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> HIS
>> >> >> website,
>> >> > Quote me, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> >> Danny boy you ALTERED the statement of Amnesty International.
>> >> [snip]
>>
>> > Prove it, Kennykins. We know you can't.
>>
>> If I wanted to waste my time and do it for the 30th time I could.
>
> Loser.

Danny - PL posted your ALTERATIONS several times yesterday. YOU were the one
who was FORCED by your ISP to remove libelous and false pages from YOUR
website or risk being thrown off.


krp

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194646544.3...@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>> > You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
>> > some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,
>>
>> He didn't, YOU made it up and are LYING again Danny.
>
> [snip]
>
> It's all STILL there, Kennykins, (link in previous posting) --

No Danny it is a link to YOU claming he said it. You always use YOURSELF as
"authority" either to your posts or the same BULLSHIT on your website.
Nice trick. Doesn't work.


Dan Christensen

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We have been over this dozens (hundreds?) of times already, Kennykins.
And both of you get your fat fascist butts kicked every time. Most
recently see the thread "For the record..." (starting at item #123).
There, you yourself posted the text from the original posting of PL
bragging about his lobbying exploits. You went down in flames and your
clownish colleague here was uncharacteristically speechless. Care to
give it another go, Kennykins?

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <d...@dcproof.com> wrote in message
news:1194756661.9...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 10, 10:39 am, " krp" <web24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1194646544.3...@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
>> >> > some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying
>> >> > exploits,
>>
>> >> He didn't, YOU made it up and are LYING again Danny.
>>
>> > [snip]
>>
>> > It's all STILL there, Kennykins, (link in previous posting) --
>>
>> No Danny it is a link to YOU claming he said it. You always use YOURSELF
>> as
>> "authority" either to your posts or the same BULLSHIT on your website.
>> Nice trick. Doesn't work.
>
> We have been over this dozens (hundreds?) of times already,

and each time you were exposed as the hypocrite serial liar you are.
You can yap all you awnts and lie al you want but you have shown that you
are unable to back ANY of your lies and insults up.
Everything I have evere said I have backed up with diorect and referenced
quotes to your own words.

> And both of you get your fat fascist butts kicked every time.

Nope.
You are the only one with a "fascist" attitude Dan Christensen

You support a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:
the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
...
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.....

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote


> Most recently see the thread "For the record..." (starting at item #123).
> There, you yourself posted the text from the original posting of PL
> bragging about his lobbying exploits.

Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP
exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word snippets
out of context.
Again you end up going down in flames Mr. Serial Liar.
Anyone can see what a petty and spiteful little frustrated propagandist you
are.

PL

Message has been deleted

Dan Christensen

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Nov 11, 2007, 10:14:01 AM11/11/07
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On Nov 11, 6:54 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> > Most recently see the thread "For the record..." (starting at item #123).


> > There, you yourself posted the text from the original posting of PL
> > bragging about his lobbying exploits.
>
> Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP
> exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word snippets
> out of context.

[snip]

Poor, pathetic lobbyist...

Still no comment, I see. The original link was posted again in the
item referred to above. Your clownish colleague here took the hit and
when down in flames quibbling about verb tenses of all things! You
avoided any direct comment and made him look like a fool (not very
difficult, I suppose).

What were you thinking that day, years ago -- that we would be
impressed with what a "mover and shaker" you are on the political
scene in Europe? Well, it had just the opposite effect intended then,
as with so many of your postings. You ended up vapourizing what little
credibility you had left after being exposed time and again for the
truly desperate liar that you are.

PL

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Nov 11, 2007, 5:28:58 PM11/11/07
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"Dan Christensen" <d...@dcproof.com> wrote in message
news:1194793607....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 11, 6:54 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> > Most recently see the thread "For the record..." (starting at item
>> > #123).
>> > There, you yourself [KRP] posted the text from the original posting of
>> > PL
>> > bragging about his lobbying exploits.
>>
>> Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP
>> exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word
>> snippets
>> out of context.
>
> Poor, pathetic lobbyist...
>
> Still no comment, I see. The original link was posted again in the
> item referred to above.

post the link dan.
We both know it will expose you as a liar.

Pl

PL

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Nov 11, 2007, 5:32:15 PM11/11/07
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Again no links posted by Mr. Serial Liar Dan Christensen.
If he had a case he would.
Anyone can see why he doesn't.

"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1194794041.3...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...


> On Nov 11, 6:54 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> > Most recently see the thread "For the record..." (starting at item
>> > #123).
>> > There, you yourself posted the text from the original posting of PL
>> > bragging about his lobbying exploits.
>>
>> Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP
>> exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word
>> snippets
>> out of context.
>
> [snip]
>
> Poor, pathetic lobbyist...

Nope.
Poor pathetic lying Dan Christensen.

> Still no comment,

False.
I exposed your lies like other people have.

As I asied:


Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP
exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word snippets
out of context.

Again you end up going down in flames Mr. Serial Liar.
Anyone can see what a petty and spiteful little frustrated propagandist you
are.

Post the link Dan.
We both know why you won't: it exposes you as the desperate liar you are.


Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In
this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

.......

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally justified
under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 12, 2007, 12:19:04 AM11/12/07
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On Nov 11, 5:32 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP


> exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word snippets
> out of context.

[snip]

Give him enough rope... (Hee, hee!)

Your protege here had to defend your "honour," and went down in
flames, being reduced to quibbling about verb tenses! And STILL no
comment from you. (Again, see the SCC thread "For the record..."
starting at item #123.)

What a coward you are, Mr. Lobbyist. Even Kenny here, your most vocal
defender at SCC, can't seem to find any way around your little
indiscretion without looking like a complete idiot! Do get back to us
when your are man enough to face up to it yourself. Until then, do not


expect a reply from me on this matter.

Dan

PL

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Nov 12, 2007, 3:31:56 AM11/12/07
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On Nov 12, 6:19 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 5:32 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
> > Of Course Dan Christensen again doesn't post a link because there KRP
> > exposes him as the liar he is showing again how Dan abuses one word snippets
> > out of context.
>
> [snip]
>
> Give him enough rope... (Hee, hee!)

Nope.
Give us a link (Hee hee)
Again you fail to do so.
Each time you fail to post any link you expose yourself as the
pathetic little liar you are.

> Your protege here had to defend your "honour," and went down in
> flames,

(snip)

Nope he exposed your lies and made you look like the fool you are.
That is why you dare not post a link.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 12, 2007, 1:01:30 PM11/12/07
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On Nov 12, 3:31 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

> On Nov 12, 6:19 am,DanChristensen<dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 11, 5:32 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> > to bother with]
>
> > > Of CourseDanChristensenagain doesn't post a link because there KRP
> > > exposes him as the liar he is showing again howDanabuses one word snippets

> > > out of context.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > Give him enough rope... (Hee, hee!)
>
> Nope.
> Give us a link (Hee hee)

Poor, pathetic lobbyist....

Here is your link. Your protege looked like a complete idiot trying to
defend you, being reduced to quibbling about verb tenses. That was the
best he could do. And, coward that you are, we STILL have no comment
from you, Mr. Lobbyist. Be a man for once and address the issue at
hand. It really is time for you to come clean on this.

http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/9860ca3af748f2c1/4ee1d2195901a4f2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#4ee1d2195901a4f2

PL

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Nov 12, 2007, 3:43:02 PM11/12/07
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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194890490....@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 12, 3:31 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 6:19 am,DanChristensen<dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 11, 5:32 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>>
>> > [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
>> > to bother with]
>>
>> > > Of CourseDanChristensenagain doesn't post a link because there KRP
>> > > exposes him as the liar he is showing again howDanabuses one word
>> > > snippets
>> > > out of context.
>>
>> > [snip]
>>
>> > Give him enough rope... (Hee, hee!)
>>
>> Nope.
>> Give us a link (Hee hee)
>
> Poor, pathetic lobbyist....
>
> Here is your link.

as always I can shame you in to making a fool of yourself.
Things don't change.
But then: is it a valid and informative lonk?

> Your protege looked like a complete idiot trying to
> defend you,

actually by merely posting the text he exposed your lies.

> http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/9860ca3af748f2c1/4ee1d2195901a4f2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#4ee1d2195901a4f2


Not a link to any message pathetic serial liar.
Just to a thread.
you don't dare to post the link to the message as that would expose you as a
liar.
You are playing games comrade Dan.
You post a bogus link that contains no information whatsover.
Post a link to the exact message of KRP.
that will expose your lies.
Do you really thing people are being fooled by your antics comrade Dan?
They see a pathtic little liar unable to or trying to avoid at any cost to
post a link.
Unable to in the sense that there are no wuotes to support your claims and
trying to avoid at all cost in the sense that you post links to threads -
not messages.
Put up or shut up comrade Dan.
Either way you are exposed at what you are: a pathetic liar.
Suits me fine.
It is such fun seeing you squirm.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 12, 2007, 11:00:43 PM11/12/07
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On Nov 12, 3:43 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194890490....@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 12, 3:31 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> On Nov 12, 6:19 am,DanChristensen<dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 11, 5:32 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> >> > [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> >> > to bother with]
>
> >> > > Of CourseDanChristensenagain doesn't post a link because there KRP
> >> > > exposes him as the liar he is showing again howDanabuses one word
> >> > > snippets
> >> > > out of context.
>
> >> > [snip]
>
> >> > Give him enough rope... (Hee, hee!)
>
> >> Nope.
> >> Give us a link (Hee hee)
>
> > Poor, pathetic lobbyist....
>
> > Here is your link.
>
> as always I can shame you in to making a fool of yourself.
> Things don't change.
> But then: is it a valid and informative lonk?
>
> > Your protege looked like a complete idiot trying to
> > defend you,
>
> actually by merely posting the text he exposed your lies.
>
> >http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/9860...

>
> Not a link to any message pathetic serial liar.
> Just to a thread.

Again, the part exposing your lobbying exploits starts at item #123.
In that posting, you will find a link to your original posting with
you bragging about your lobbying of various politicians, etc. Your
political masters couldn't have been too pleased with you blowing your
own cover like this. What WERE you thinking? That we would be
impressed??? Get real!

In the next item, your protege goes down in flames at once. He posts
your original text, and is then immediately reduced to merely
quibbling about verb tenses! Really! What else COULD he say? It was
all there in black and white. And you remained silent, unable to come
to his aid because you knew that you had been exposed as a lobbyist,
yet again -- this time, unwittingly, by your most vocal defender here
at SCC! And you continue to remain silent on this matter, preferring
to attack me instead, desperately hoping to divert the attention of
readers. Sadly, this tactic has never worked for you.

The cat is well and truly out of the bag on this one. Really, Mr.
Lobbyist, isn't it time to come clean on this matter. Your continued
denials only undermine what little credibility you have left here.

Do get back to us when you are man enough to own up to what you really
are... Mr. Lobbyist.

PL

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Nov 13, 2007, 5:09:42 AM11/13/07
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The post a link to the message Dan.
Are you afraid of what people will see.
You aren't exposing anything.
You only lie.

as usual I will have to post the link to the message:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en

> In that posting, you will find a link to your original posting with
> you bragging about your lobbying of various politicians, etc.

actually Dan people will see how I reply to an apologists that uses
the same lie as you do.
They will see that I only used the verb "to lobby" because Lulo used
it and that I put it in quotes to show it didn't apply.
And yes, I am well connected so there are lots of people end I know as
school mates are elected representatives now (including for the
socialist party).
Also: a party including the then foreign minister I knew was in Cuba
at the time in Varadero on a private holiday.

All of the above are facts.

Your lie is that I am a lobbyist.
Nothing of the sort.
Sonce what I witnessed on the Malecon during the Maleconazo and with
all I have learned about Cuba via friends and family both in Cuba and
outside I have come to the conclusion that the regime is abusive. That
is why I support those that demand respect of human rights in Cuba.
Over more than 10 years you collect a lot of information and I have
decided early on to turn it in to a resource for other people.
The more you and the rest of the apologist gang tried to block those
that posted the truth about Cuba, the more I ensure that the data was
there to expose your lies.
When you and the Stalinist gang closed the Cubanews e-group to those
not singing the praise of the regime, I set up Cubaverdad. 8 years
later it is a resource with 35,000 articles.
When the "Centre" and other idiots attacked a website I have helped to
set up, we built it in to a top Google website with lots of
information, links, RSS feeds, news, links to reports, analytical
information supported by links to external authoritative data. The
website of those that attacked Cubaverdad has been off line for years
and if the poor morons of the Centre, Rebellion and others (including
you) new what he had helped to create in traffic with their attacks
and lies they would be buying a rope to hang themselves.
Those apologists that went too far in personal insults and lies were
duly sanctioned by their ISP, one even went to jail. Pages of websites
were removed, denials of service were issued in due order for abuses
that went beyond freedom of speech as they contained violations of law
(mostly criminal) due to violations of privacy, slanderous lies,
racist slurs, ,,, You name it, I have seen it from you or others in
the international pro Castro "rat pack" (the name given in France to
a bunch of abusive left wing characters)
And yes Dan they even go beyond your mere violations of privacy, lies
and insults. They go to the level of personal threats (death threats)
by mail or by phone (at night). People hanging around the office
having conveniently received the address from unnamed apologists. Mail
with powders and razor blades (claiming they were infected with aids)
was sent.
You must be very proud to be part of such a "movement", Dan
Christensen.
That is what the pro-Castro scene is all about, but they made one big
mistake: I don't scare easily and I use all legal means at my
disposal.
Your lies and those of others have been duly exposed on the web. The
databases with thousands of articles and their newsfeeds reach a lot
of people,
The information gets out. The time there were very few sources of
information from and about Cuba is definitely gone. The Castro
propaganda machine now faces dedicated people from within Cuba that
get their point of view and reports about daily life out and an
increased interest from international media in Cuba which has resulted
in lots more articles about Cuba from lots of sources often with good
research behind it.
The result is that the Cuban regime can no longer hide behind their
wall of lies and imposed silence,
The crude apologists it has at it's service are people like you Dan:
low on facts and always ready with lies and insults.
By their postings they reveal their character inevitably over time.
You were exposed long ago when I caught you posting different versions
of your statements: the true abusive Dan in a closed Stalinist e-group
and one to mislead people about what you were - and are - all about in
SCC.
Over the years you have become even more radical and abusive. You
hardly succeed in posting one message without unsulting people with
terms like "nazi", "Fascist", "cia", "lobbyist", ,,,, all slanderous
attempts attacking the people tghat frustrate your lies.
Get a life Dan and start supporting the struggle to give Cubans the
rights you yourself demand for yourself. Stop quoting one percent of
Amnesty's message to try to ensure that 99% of their message never
gets realized, but start supporting the 100% of their message.
Your desperate attempts have become more desperate and more extreme
even over the last months. Your personal hatred drips of every of you
pages. We all know that all we can ever expect from you are lies and
insults, excuses and apologies, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Kep it up.

PL

Dan Christensen

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Nov 13, 2007, 5:09:18 PM11/13/07
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On Nov 13, 5:09 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

> > > > Poor, pathetic lobbyist....


>
> > > > Here is your link.
>
> > > as always I can shame you in to making a fool of yourself.
> > > Things don't change.
> > > But then: is it a valid and informative lonk?
>
> > > > Your protege looked like a complete idiot trying to
> > > > defend you,
>
> > > actually by merely posting the text he exposed your lies.
>
> > > >http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/9860...
>
> > > Not a link to any message pathetic serial liar.
> > > Just to a thread.
>
> > Again, the part exposing your lobbying exploits starts at item #123.
>
> The post a link to the message Dan.
> Are you afraid of what people will see.

They have the link. And you got your fat lobbyist butt kicked...
again!


> You aren't exposing anything.
> You only lie.
>

> as usual I will have to post the link to the message:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...
>

This the link I posted in item #123 at the above mentioned thread.


> > In that posting, you will find a link to your original posting with
> > you bragging about your lobbying of various politicians, etc.
>
> actually Dan people will see how I reply to an apologists that uses
> the same lie as you do.
> They will see that I only used the verb "to lobby" because Lulo used
> it and that I put it in quotes to show it didn't apply.

You admitted that you lobbyied various politicians (see PL's link
above).


> And yes, I am well connected so there are lots of people end I know as
> school mates are elected representatives now (including for the
> socialist party).

And you said you lobby them. You used the word "lobby" several times
to describe what you do (PL's link). Given this and your prodigious
output of propaganda here and at other forums, it is hard to believe
you are not doing this full-time (50,000 postings the last time I
looked, probably double that by now).


> Also: a party including the then foreign minister I knew was in Cuba
> at the time in Varadero on a private holiday.
>
> All of the above are facts.
>
> Your lie is that I am a lobbyist.

[snip]

You said that's what you do -- you "lobby" politicians to use YOUR OWN
WORD. Even KRP, your most vocal defender here had to face facts. He
was reduced to quibbling about verb tenses after finally reading your
own words on this matter. Even he seemed to know your case was
hopeless.

Face it, Mr. Lobbyist, not even your best ally here is really seems to
believe your transparent denials on this matter. It really is time to
come clean. Time to be a man for once and to face up to what you
really are.

Dan

PL

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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1194991758.3...@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 13, 5:09 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> > > > Poor, pathetic lobbyist....
>>
>> > > > Here is your link.
>>
>> > > as always I can shame you in to making a fool of yourself.
>> > > Things don't change.
>> > > But then: is it a valid and informative lonk?
>>
>> > > > Your protege looked like a complete idiot trying to
>> > > > defend you,
>>
>> > > actually by merely posting the text he exposed your lies.
>>
>> > > >http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/9860...
>>
>> > > Not a link to any message pathetic serial liar.
>> > > Just to a thread.
>>
>> > Again, the part exposing your lobbying exploits starts at item #123.
>>
>> The post a link to the message Dan.
>> Are you afraid of what people will see.
>
> They have the link. And you got your fat lobbyist butt kicked...
> again!

I gave the link the exposes your lies

>> You aren't exposing anything.
>> You only lie.
>>
>> as usual I will have to post the link to the
>> message:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...
>>
>
> This the link I posted in item #123 at the above mentioned thread.

and the link you daren't put here again as it exposes your lies

>> > In that posting, you will find a link to your original posting with
>> > you bragging about your lobbying of various politicians, etc.
>>
>> actually Dan people will see how I reply to an apologists that uses
>> the same lie as you do.
>> They will see that I only used the verb "to lobby" because Lulo used
>> it and that I put it in quotes to show it didn't apply.
>
> You admitted that you lobbyied various politicians

(snip)

Actually: the opposite:
I said:
"Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstainable innuendo. In
short : you are a lying fraud."
to the guy that posted the same lie.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en

>> And yes, I am well connected so there are lots of people end I know as
>> school mates are elected representatives now (including for the
>> socialist party).
>
> And you said you lobby them.

Nope.
I said:
"Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstainable innuendo. In
short : you are a lying fraud."
to the guy that posted the same lie.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en

> You used the word "lobby" several times

> to describe what you do (snip)

Nope.
But thanks for confirming I put quotes around the verb to expose Lulo's
lies.
I said "I can" I never said and actually denied that I do or ever did.
Another lie by Dan Christensen exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en

>> Also: a party including the then foreign minister I knew was in Cuba
>> at the time in Varadero on a private holiday.
>>
>> All of the above are facts.
>>
>> Your lie is that I am a lobbyist.
>
> [snip]
>
> You said that's what you do

(snip)

Nope I deneied that that is what I do or ever did.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en
the link exposes your lies Dan.
that is why you never post it.
I see you didn't dare to deny that your are part of the abusive "rat pack".
Smart.
Then explain to people why you condone and assist in these abuses.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 13, 2007, 10:56:51 PM11/13/07
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On Nov 13, 5:28 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:1194991758.3...@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 5:09 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> > to bother with]
>
> >> > > > Poor, pathetic lobbyist....
>
> >> > > > Here is your link.
>
> >> > > as always I can shame you in to making a fool of yourself.
> >> > > Things don't change.
> >> > > But then: is it a valid and informative lonk?
>
> >> > > > Your protege looked like a complete idiot trying to
> >> > > > defend you,
>
> >> > > actually by merely posting the text he exposed your lies.
>
> >> > > >http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/9860...
>
> >> > > Not a link to any message pathetic serial liar.
> >> > > Just to a thread.
>
> >> > Again, the part exposing your lobbying exploits starts at item #123.
>
> >> The post a link to the message Dan.
> >> Are you afraid of what people will see.
>
> > They have the link. And you got your fat lobbyist butt kicked...
> > again!
>
> I gave the link the exposes your lies
>

You mean the link that unmasks you and blows your cover once and for
all.


> >> You aren't exposing anything.
> >> You only lie.
>
> >> as usual I will have to post the link to the
> >> message:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...
>
> > This the link I posted in item #123 at the above mentioned thread.
>
> and the link you daren't put here again as it exposes your lies
>

Pathetic.


> >> > In that posting, you will find a link to your original posting with
> >> > you bragging about your lobbying of various politicians, etc.
>
> >> actually Dan people will see how I reply to an apologists that uses
> >> the same lie as you do.
> >> They will see that I only used the verb "to lobby" because Lulo used
> >> it and that I put it in quotes to show it didn't apply.
>
> > You admitted that you lobbyied various politicians
>
> (snip)
>
> Actually: the opposite:
> I said:
> "Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstainable innuendo. In
> short : you are a lying fraud."

What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons, in his own words:

"I can 'lobby' 4 MEP's and two ministers in Belgium by going to the
confrmation dinner of my godchild. I can also 'lobby' these MEP's at
our squash games. Check with Club Med in Varadero on which Belgian
ministers stayed there and get back to me."


Here he brags about lobbying all these politicians, including MEP's
(members of the European parliament) and ministers (the equivalent of
US senators, congressmen and members of cabinet)! A real mover and
shaker, our Mr. Lobbyist! And he still has time to churn out maybe
100,000 propaganda postings at various online forums. Were DO you find
the time, Mr. Lobbyist?


> to the guy that posted the same lie.http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...


>
> >> And yes, I am well connected so there are lots of people end I know as
> >> school mates are elected representatives now (including for the
> >> socialist party).
>
> > And you said you lobby them.
>
> Nope.
> I said:
> "Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstainable innuendo. In
> short : you are a lying fraud."

This lie already exposed above. (See "what Mr. Lobbyist snipped"
above.)


> to the guy that posted the same lie.http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...


>
> > You used the word "lobby" several times
> > to describe what you do (snip)
>
> Nope.

A blatant lie, as we see above.


> But thanks for confirming I put quotes around the verb to expose Lulo's
> lies.

Punctuation isn't going to save your sorry ass here, Mr. Lobbyist.


> I said "I can" I never said and actually denied that I do or ever did.

Taking a page out of Kenny's book, I see. Never a good idea. Makes you
look really pathetic.

Anyway, if this is the best you can do, you might as well concede the
point... Mr .Lobbyist. Get back to us when you are man enough to face
up to what you really are. If you are simply going to keep repeating
yourself here, do not expect a reply from me on this matter.

PL

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Nov 14, 2007, 4:37:43 AM11/14/07
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Nope,
The link that shows you are lying just like Lulo was,
In reply to his lie I said:
"Get your brain out of the gutter and drop the unsustainable innuendo.


In short : you are a lying fraud."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en

You Dan Christensen are also a lying fraud.

> > >> You aren't exposing anything.
> > >> You only lie.
>
> > >> as usual I will have to post the link to the
> > >> message:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...
>
> > > This the link I posted in item #123 at the above mentioned thread.
>
> > and the link you daren't put here again as it exposes your lies
>
> Pathetic.

Nope.
A fact that exposes how pathetic a liar you are.

> > >> > In that posting, you will find a link to your original posting with
> > >> > you bragging about your lobbying of various politicians, etc.
>
> > >> actually Dan people will see how I reply to an apologists that uses
> > >> the same lie as you do.
> > >> They will see that I only used the verb "to lobby" because Lulo used
> > >> it and that I put it in quotes to show it didn't apply.
>
> > > You admitted that you lobbyied various politicians
>
> > (snip)
>
> > Actually: the opposite:
> > I said:
> > "Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstainable innuendo. In
> > short : you are a lying fraud."
>
> What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons, in his own words:
>
> "I can 'lobby' 4 MEP's and two ministers in Belgium by going to the
> confrmation dinner of my godchild. I can also 'lobby' these MEP's at
> our squash games. Check with Club Med in Varadero on which Belgian
> ministers stayed there and get back to me."
>
> Here he brags about lobbying all these politicians

Nope.
I don't say I ever have lobbied anyone.
The text merely says " I can" and have put the verb to "lobby" between
quotes to show I totally disagree with the lying qualification of
Lulo.
I distance myself the whole way from his lie.

I never said I have lobbied anyone and I certainly never said that I
do this in a professional way as you have claimed,.
The link exposes those lies which you made yours,

> including MEP's
> (members of the European parliament) and ministers (the equivalent of
> US senators, congressmen and members of cabinet)! A real mover and
> shaker, our Mr. Lobbyist! And he still has time to churn out maybe

"maybe" Dan?
Post facts instead of lies.

> 100,000 propaganda postings at various online forums.

Post your proof Dan. The number is as always a rampant exaggeration
and make of course no mention of the nearly
I have been posting for lots of years and I have frequently exposed
the lies about the number of post.
One post with a couple of cc's only is and only takes the time of one
post,
Again you show what you are all about: lies, insults and innuendo

I only post in SCC.
The fact that copies go in to an e-group for archive purposes doesn't
change that.

> Were DO you find
> the time, Mr. Lobbyist?

half an hour a day on average? easy.
Just learn how to be passionate about something - as I am about human
rights - and efficient in what you do.
But then you have shown that as far as software goes you are crap.

> > to the guy that posted the same lie.http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...
>
> > >> And yes, I am well connected so there are lots of people end I know as
> > >> school mates are elected representatives now (including for the
> > >> socialist party).
>
> > > And you said you lobby them.
>
> > Nope.
> > I said:
> > "Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstainable innuendo. In
> > short : you are a lying fraud."
>
> This lie already exposed above. (See "what Mr. Lobbyist snipped"
> above.)

Nope.
that sentence shows that you are lying when you claim I have


> > to the guy that posted the same lie.http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?...
>
> > > You used the word "lobby" several times
> > > to describe what you do (snip)
>
> > Nope.
>
> A blatant lie, as we see above.

Nope.
A fact. I use the word between quotes to show it doesn't apply.
Totally different,

> > But thanks for confirming I put quotes around the verb to expose Lulo's
> > lies.
>
> Punctuation isn't going to save your sorry ass here, Mr. Lobbyist.

actually it exposes your lies as it shows what I meant, but as usual
you want to delete part of the text to hide the meaning Mr>. Serial
Liar.
Punctuation goes to meaning.
The meaning is I denied what Lulo said both explicitly and via
punctuation.
But then abusing snippets out of context is one of your favorite
propaganda techniques,

> > I said "I can" I never said and actually denied that I do or ever did.
>
> Taking a page out of Kenny's book, I see. Never a good idea. Makes you
> look really pathetic.

Nope.
It exposes you lie.
You take the words of a person denying any involvement in an activity
and try to mislead people by "collating" some words.
The actual words expose your lies.

> Anyway, if this is the best you can do, you might as well concede the
> point... Mr .Lobbyist.

No "point" to concede Dan.
Just another lie of yours exposed.
That point has been well made.
I see that again you failed to deny that you are part of the
international "rat pack".
Admission by snipping I see.
You can't actually deny it that you are part of the gang of abusive
propagandists can you while you lies are exposed in the same thread
and people know that part of your website had to be removed for
violations of privacy laws and blatant lies.
You are lying propagandist that is reduced to lies, insults and
attempts at intimidating people by slandering them.
This thread has again exposed you as the low character you are and
future threads will continue to expose you as such.
Keep on self-destructing.

Dan Christensen

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Nov 14, 2007, 2:58:04 PM11/14/07
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On Nov 14, 4:37 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
bother with]

> > What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons, in his own words:


>
> > "I can 'lobby' 4 MEP's and two ministers in Belgium by going to the
> > confrmation dinner of my godchild. I can also 'lobby' these MEP's at
> > our squash games. Check with Club Med in Varadero on which Belgian
> > ministers stayed there and get back to me."
>
> > Here he brags about lobbying all these politicians
>
> Nope.
> I don't say I ever have lobbied anyone.
> The text merely says " I can" and have put the verb to "lobby" between
> quotes to show I totally disagree with the lying qualification of
> Lulo.
> I distance myself the whole way from his lie.
>

If you were speaking hypothetically (which I don't believe for a
minute), why so specific about who and how many you lobbied? You said,
"4 MEP's and two ministers in Belgium." And what is this about them
all staying in Varadero? Who paid for that? Very suspicious, I must
say. Really, it is time for you to come clean on this matte. Be a man
for once... Mr. Lobbyist.


> I never said I have lobbied anyone and I certainly never said that I
> do this in a professional way as you have claimed,.
> The link exposes those lies which you made yours,
>
> > including MEP's
> > (members of the European parliament) and ministers (the equivalent of
> > US senators, congressmen and members of cabinet)! A real mover and
> > shaker, our Mr. Lobbyist! And he still has time to churn out maybe
>
> "maybe"Dan?
> Post facts instead of lies.
>
> > 100,000 propaganda postings at various online forums.
>

> Post your proofDan. The number is as always a rampant exaggeration

I will have to get the details later, but you like to brag about your
35,000 postings at your lying website. And each one of these was
already posted here at SCC. That's 70,000 postings alone. And then
there are those years when you posted stuff under another ID prior to
setting up your lying website. And I understand you were posting at
several other forums making a real pest of yourself and, in some
cases, getting banned from the group. You have been a very busy boy
spreading your message of anti-Cuban hatred over the years as a
propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist.

PL

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Nov 14, 2007, 3:43:03 PM11/14/07
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"Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:1195070284.9...@v65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 14, 4:37 am, PL <P...@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> [snipping portions of PL's already debunked here, or too lame to
> bother with]
>
>> > What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons, in his own words:
>>
>> > "I can 'lobby' 4 MEP's and two ministers in Belgium by going to the
>> > confrmation dinner of my godchild. I can also 'lobby' these MEP's at
>> > our squash games. Check with Club Med in Varadero on which Belgian
>> > ministers stayed there and get back to me."
>>
>> > Here he brags about lobbying all these politicians
>>
>> Nope.
>> I don't say I ever have lobbied anyone.
>> The text merely says " I can" and have put the verb to "lobby" between
>> quotes to show I totally disagree with the lying qualification of
>> Lulo.
>> I distance myself the whole way from his lie.
>>
>
> If you were speaking hypothetically

Thanks for confirming I never said I did.

> (which I don't believe for a
> minute), why so specific about who and how many you lobbied?

I never said I lobbied anyone.
That is your lie.
I rejected the term to "lobby" outright.

"Get your brain outof the gutter and drop the unsubstaiable innuendo. In

> You said,
> "4 MEP's and two ministers in Belgium." And what is this about them
> all staying in Varadero?

Never said so.
I referred to a minister was staying in Varadero (on a private vacation to
be exact).
Another lie of Dan Christensen exposed.

"Check with Club Med in Varadero on which Belgian ministers stayed there and
get back to me."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en


> Who paid for that?

he himself.

> Very suspicious, I must
> say.

Nope.
You just misquote (as shown above) and add innuendo to it.
Thanks for exposing your own lies Mr. Serial Liar

>> I never said I have lobbied anyone and I certainly never said that I
>> do this in a professional way as you have claimed,.
>> The link exposes those lies which you made yours,
>>
>> > including MEP's
>> > (members of the European parliament) and ministers (the equivalent of
>> > US senators, congressmen and members of cabinet)! A real mover and
>> > shaker, our Mr. Lobbyist! And he still has time to churn out maybe
>>
>> "maybe"Dan?
>> Post facts instead of lies.
>>
>> > 100,000 propaganda postings at various online forums.
>>
>> Post your proofDan. The number is as always a rampant exaggeration
>
> I will have to get the details later, but you like to brag about your
> 35,000 postings at your lying website.

Nope.
At the website ther are no "postings", just RSS feeds.


Another lie by Dan Christensen exposed.

The e-group has copies of the articles I post here to ensure that you can't
use your usal "the link doesn't work" excuse when claiming the article never
existed.

> And each one of these was
> already posted here at SCC. That's 70,000 postings alone.

Nope.
By the way: didn't you claim 100,000 last time?
thanks for exposing that lie as well.
that is 35,000 postings over 8 years.
The fact that I started keeping copies of posts in an e-group after you and
the "rat pack" closed the Cubanews e-group to any criticism of the regime
doesn't change anything.
1 post, two locations where it is guarder.
To post it just means adding a CC so you "time "argument is exposed as a lie

>And then
> there are those years when you posted stuff under another ID

I have been using PL for years Dan.
You are the one that changed ID's as your provider changed.

> And I understand you were posting at
> several other forums

Post your proof Dan.
We know your "understanding" is very limited

(snip)


> You have been a very busy boy
> spreading your message of anti-Cuban hatred

actually: pro Cuba facts tyhat expose the lies of the regime.
facts from hundreds of sopurces posted entirely and correcly refernced.
No snippets, no misquotes, ...

> over the years as a
> propagandist

you are the lying propagandist Dan.
I post facts from lots of sources

>and self-proclaimed lobbyist.

never "self proclaimed" Dan as the links have shown.
they have exposed you as a self proclaimed liar.
I also see you don't deny being part of the "rat pack" that violates other
people's rights in an attempt to intimidate them.
you can't of course as your lies like "lobbyist", "nazi", "cia", ... are
constantly exposed.
you calim for example in you standard lie I talked about golf games and i
challenged you to post your proof I ever said anything about playing golf
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/671bd83506281200
as always you failed to post any "proof" of your lies.

You are a lying propagandist that hopes to intimidate people from posting
the truth by posting lies about them personally.
Aguy that has factual evidence doesn't need lies and innuendo Dan.
That person can back up what he says.
You can't I can and always do.
That sets us apart Mr; Hypocrite Propagandist and Serial Liar.
Of that I am glad.
Kepp up the lies Dan. They have destroyed you.
You never dared to post the link to the original message in it's context as
that would totally destroy you.
Even the complete quote - versus the lying misquote you post - does so.

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