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please help - need 1900 box to single gang plate

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N8N

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May 19, 2011, 11:47:43 AM5/19/11
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this is actually work related... and I am googling furiously but
figured I would post and see if someone could say "Oh, that's a Raco
part no. xxxxx" or something like that. I find myself in need of a
small quantity of plates, similar to a flat mud ring, but with a
flange - reason I need them is installer cut in 1900 boxes into
ceiling tile for devices that are actually single gang size. If they
were painted white that would be even more splendiferous, but spray
painting is an option. (only need about 25 of them.)

any help appreciated!

thanks

nate

MB

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May 19, 2011, 12:59:44 PM5/19/11
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On May 19, 11:47 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Raco P/N 8772, home depot carries them.....is this what you are
looking for? http://tinyurl.com/3fvqgoj

N8N

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May 19, 2011, 2:02:48 PM5/19/11
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Not exactly... I need something that can go on a flush mounted 1900box
and mount a single gang device w/o looking "unprofessional" - so flat,
paintable or painted, and at least 4.5" square.

nate

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Metspitzer

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May 19, 2011, 2:42:09 PM5/19/11
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On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njn...@hotmail.com>
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2x2 ceiling tile 2x4 lift out? Make him cut some more.

That is the best way to make it look professional.

The Ghost in The Machine

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May 19, 2011, 2:46:22 PM5/19/11
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On May 19, 11:47 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:

HANG ON, I'LL TELE-TRANSPORT THE MAGIC NON EXISTENT PLATES TO YOUR JOB-
SIGHT.
TGITM

Metspitzer

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May 19, 2011, 2:51:21 PM5/19/11
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On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njn...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>this is actually work related... and I am googling furiously but

I read your message again, and assume that the existing boxes are
already installed.

I would assume you need a flat plaster ring and use an oversized cover
maybe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt7YrENi1-A

Metspitzer

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May 19, 2011, 2:53:47 PM5/19/11
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On Thu, 19 May 2011 14:51:21 -0400, Metspitzer <kilo...@charter.net>
wrote:

That was supposed to be a link to a flat plaster ring.

Google "flat 1900 plaster ring"

N8N

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May 19, 2011, 3:33:54 PM5/19/11
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On May 19, 2:42 pm, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2011 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njna...@hotmail.com>

Unfortunately it would appear that you are correct. Not sure if it is
2x2 or 2x4 but it's one or the other. Looks like I found another
"they oughta make that but they don't" part.

nate

gpsman

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May 19, 2011, 5:06:59 PM5/19/11
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On May 19, 3:33 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if it is
> 2x2 or 2x4 but it's one or the other.

It can be nearly impossible for an "engineer" to discern between
squares and rectangles.

> Looks like I found another
> "they oughta make that but they don't" part.

There's another golden nugget for your resumay.

You must be among the most valuable of "engineers" of your "employer".
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- gpsman

John Grabowski

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May 19, 2011, 8:28:51 PM5/19/11
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*My first thought is the Raco Retro Ring for mounting 4" square boxes in old
work applications:
http://www.hubbell-raco.com/feat_item.aspx?feature=973

You can buy wide wallplates with the device opening in the middle, but most
likely they won't be a stock item. Consult your local electrical supply
company for them.

It would be very helpful if you could post some pictures.

N8N

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May 20, 2011, 7:50:04 AM5/20/11
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On May 19, 5:06 pm, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 3:33 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Not sure if it is
> > 2x2 or 2x4 but it's one or the other.
>
> It can be nearly impossible for an "engineer" to discern between
> squares and rectangles.

I know you'll find this hard to believe, but sometimes I'm sitting in
the office and people call me with questions. Sometimes about jobs
that I haven't physically been to in months. And in the grand scheme
of things, does it really matter what size/shape the ceiling tiles
are, unless I'm the guy ordering the new ones?

>
> > Looks like I found another
> > "they oughta make that but they don't" part.
>
> There's another golden nugget for your resumay.
>
> You must be among the most valuable of "engineers" of your "employer".

I know you won't believe it, but my employer would likely miss me
greatly if I left, even though I haven't worked in an engineering
capacity for something like six years now. Something about having a
functional clue, something I know you have little experience with.

nate

N8N

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May 20, 2011, 7:52:16 AM5/20/11
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you're thinking backwards from what I need... I've used the retro-
ring before and it's a lifesaver although it appears that now other
companies are getting on the old work 1900 box bandwagon. (great for
FA speakers) what I need to do is to mount a FA strobe which is only
slightly larger than a single gang box to a 1900 box.

Or, as someone else suggested, simply tell the installer he's going to
have to rework those few boxes and hope that the bldg. engineer has
extra ceiling tiles and is in a good mood... (probably the ideal
solution, really)

nate

Metspitzer

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May 20, 2011, 11:43:33 AM5/20/11
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On Fri, 20 May 2011 04:52:16 -0700 (PDT), N8N <njn...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On May 19, 8:28 pm, "John Grabowski" <jgrabo...@optonline.net> wrote:


>> > this is actually work related...  and I am googling furiously but
>> > figured I would post and see if someone could say "Oh, that's a Raco
>> > part no. xxxxx" or something like that.  I find myself in need of a
>> > small quantity of plates, similar to a flat mud ring, but with a
>> > flange - reason I need them is installer cut in 1900 boxes into
>> > ceiling tile for devices that are actually single gang size.  If they
>> > were painted white that would be even more splendiferous, but spray
>> > painting is an option.  (only need about 25 of them.)
>>
>> > any help appreciated!
>>
>> > thanks
>>
>> *My first thought is the Raco Retro Ring for mounting 4" square boxes in old
>> work applications:http://www.hubbell-raco.com/feat_item.aspx?feature=973
>>
>> You can buy wide wallplates with the device opening in the middle, but most
>> likely they won't be a stock item.  Consult your local electrical supply
>> company for them.
>>
>> It would be very helpful if you could post some pictures.
>
>you're thinking backwards from what I need... I've used the retro-
>ring before and it's a lifesaver although it appears that now other
>companies are getting on the old work 1900 box bandwagon. (great for
>FA speakers) what I need to do is to mount a FA strobe which is only
>slightly larger than a single gang box to a 1900 box.

Why didn't you say so. They make these, but it would take months to
get them.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.foxelectricsupply.com/Content/Media/Images/Category/MT-24-LSM-VFRa.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.foxelectricsupply.com/content/products/CategoryCatalog.asp%3FqscategoryId%3D24281&usg=__4We5rykuNG2ErL6YNqOsaO_PSsM=&h=300&w=197&sz=18&hl=en&start=42&sig2=h80f_pMlmBRvHzTu-eSX5Q&zoom=1&tbnid=m5SbcWvlLnZEdM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=85&ei=vYvWTeeTNoOgtweouoCXBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmount%2Bfire%2Balarm%2Bstrobe%2Bto%2B1900%2Bbox%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1265%26bih%3D594%26tbm%3Disch0%2C1104&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=613&vpy=202&dur=2747&hovh=240&hovw=157&tx=99&ty=121&sqi=2&page=3&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:42&biw=1265&bih=594

Metspitzer

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May 20, 2011, 11:48:06 AM5/20/11
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On Fri, 20 May 2011 11:43:33 -0400, Metspitzer <kilo...@charter.net>
wrote:er..............these
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lamarcosystems.com/assets/images/Catalog/image025.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lamarcosystems.com/catalog-fire-alarm%26init%3D2&usg=__6s-zezvulUzkPRVB0c8cFSxMO6I=&h=200&w=200&sz=11&hl=en&start=125&sig2=lSo8ZldqS0GRHJ0ABEa6tA&zoom=1&tbnid=J8mCXnSWe6mrqM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=140&ei=vYvWTeeTNoOgtweouoCXBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmount%2Bfire%2Balarm%2Bstrobe%2Bto%2B1900%2Bbox%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1265%26bih%3D594%26tbm%3Disch0%2C2561&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=570&vpy=344&dur=6678&hovh=160&hovw=160&tx=71&ty=81&sqi=2&page=7&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:125&biw=1265&bih=594

I bet this is not the first time that this has happened.

N8N

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May 20, 2011, 1:21:58 PM5/20/11
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On May 20, 11:48 am, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2011 11:43:33 -0400, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net>

> wrote:
>
> >Why didn't you say so.  They make these, but it would take months to
> >get them.
> >http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.foxelectricsupply.com/...
>
> er..............thesehttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lamarcosystems.com/ass...

>
> I bet this is not the first time that this has happened.

you can't mix and match different mfgr's strobes. NFPA 72/ADA/etc.
require that they be synchronized.

nate

gpsman

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May 20, 2011, 10:57:15 PM5/20/11
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On May 20, 7:50 am, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 5:06 pm, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 19, 3:33 pm, N8N <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Not sure if it is
> > > 2x2 or 2x4 but it's one or the other.
>
> > It can be nearly impossible for an "engineer" to discern between
> > squares and rectangles.
>
> I know you'll find this hard to believe, but sometimes I'm sitting in
> the office and people call me with questions.

Impossible is the word you're looking for.

> > You must be among the most valuable of "engineers" of your "employer".
>
> I know you won't believe it, but my employer would likely miss me
> greatly if I left,

I don't believe there is any shortage of nitwits available to post to
Usenet all day every fucking day.
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=-foHKBMAAACRTsmvHpkZqpCQjnVR4i0zWMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww
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- gpsman

The Ghost in The Machine

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May 21, 2011, 1:19:28 AM5/21/11
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On May 20, 10:57 pm, gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
> SNPP/

> I don't believe there is any shortage of nitwits available to post to
> Usenet all day every fucking day.http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=-foHKBMAAACRTs...
>  -----
>
> - gpsman

SO IT SEEMS....IT'S THAT GPS OF YOURS..IT'S MALORIENTED.
THE METAL FRAGMENTS IN YOUR HEAD ARE BLOCKING IT AND ITS GIVING YOU A
FALSE READING.
BOOWAHAHAHAHA
TGITM

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