Low flush toilet problem?
Salmon Egg
balky. I just do not get the whoosh and strong vortex I got before. If I
dump water from a bucket, very little water is needed to flush.
I have replaced the flapper. The drain from the tank is clear and
unobstructed. I fill to about a quarter inch of the overflow pipe. I often
get the whirlpool but not whoosh. I have tried holding the lever down to get
a full volume flush.
The only thing I can think of is that there is partial clogging past
anything visible.
What is it that causes the flush to fail?
Bill
Joseph Meehan
My guess is a partially clogged drain or vent.
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia duit
hal...@aol.com
So your toilet flushes good with a bucket of water? even a small amunt
in bucket?
easily solved and cheap too. the internal passages in your toilet
espically the bowl rim is clogged from hard water or using those blue
things in tank.... both can cause this.
you can attempt to clear the bowl rim holes with a coarthanger but its
much easier to use acid.
dont freak acid is safe in this application and will have you flushing
fine within 15 minutes:)
it also cleans out the lower bowl passages.
flus toilet with water off try to get water level as low as possible on
tank and bowl. then sop up or vacuumn water out of trap in bottom of
bowl, yuk job.
use muriatic acid, wear glasses and rubber gloves, open bath window
carefully pour about a cup or 2 down the dip tube, and about the same
amount in the bowl, then cap the acid and leave room immediately. wait
15 minutes and flush normally. enjoy seeing the water go down so well:)
you can give it a second treatment if you want but its probably not
necessary. 5 bucks get you the acid at your local store. its used for
lots of stuff.
its a good idea when your doine to flush the toilet about 10 times to
dilute whatever acid remains in the lines.
what happens is to flush well the flapper opens and water goes both
dsown main passage but bowl rim, it MUST move fast to cause a wave and
get the traps water moving.
when the passages get clogged the water just swirls around and doesnt
flush well.
gpo get em i have fixed a bunch of toilets this way
use a funnel if necessary, dont splash, and wear rubber gloves and
safety glasses in case you do splash. take a deep breathe before you
start pouring and dont linger.
YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT HOW WELL IT WORKS!
Cheri
hal...@aol.com wrote in message >use muriatic acid, wear glasses and
rubber gloves, open bath window
>carefully pour about a cup or 2 down the dip tube, and about the same
>amount in the bowl, then cap the acid and leave room immediately. wait
Excuse my ignorance, but what is "the dip tube?"
Cheri
hal...@aol.com
in the tank theres a tube that the valve has a hose running to it, when
you flush the hose and tube send water to the bowl rim.
its the only tube you can see sticking up when you remove the tank
cover, its also the tank overflow so the water level cant get too high
jhill
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with septic try the clothes hanger approach or lime away after taping
the bowl rim shut leave sit 24 hours then pull tape
or pull the toilet sit it ouside where killing grass doesnt matter and
acid it, then flush very well before reinstalling.
people freak about using acid I was skeptical the first time too. but
it works wonders and isnt a big thing
C & E
"jhill" <jhil...@tarleton.edu> wrote in message
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> What does your fix do to a septic system? Acid in septic?
>
1 cup of acid diluted by 500 to 1000 gallons of water +'s no problem!
Salmon Egg
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<hal...@aol.com> wrote:
Your advice sounds very useful!
I was able to flush with about one quart of water dumped directly into the
bowl. I guess that the swirling of water comes from discharge through the
rim holes. There is nothing apparent at the flapper valve that would induce
that swirl.
Bill
Joseph Meehan
>...
> Your advice sounds very useful!
>
> I was able to flush with about one quart of water dumped directly
> into the bowl. I guess that the swirling of water comes from
> discharge through the rim holes. There is nothing apparent at the
> flapper valve that would induce that swirl.
>
> Bill
While it may be due to the rim design, but with the exception of toilets
on the equator it will swirl all by itself due to the rotation of the earth.
It happens when you remove the plug in the drain for your sink or tub as
well. It turns the other way south of the equator.
Cheri
hal...@aol.com
Please report back after acid treatment. You will be amazed at the
brown goo that will come out of the rim holes.
just leave it 15 minutes, all day may damage porcelin
Salmon Egg
"Joseph Meehan" <sligojo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I hope this is tongue in cheek. While in principle, the earth's rotation
will set up such a swirl, you have to do a careful experiment to ascertain
that it was really set up by earth rotation.
If you take a bathtub soak, it is easy to get the rotation during draining
going in whichever direction you chose. Slight motion of the water at a
distance from the drain becomes big motion when that water goes down the
drain. It is analogous to an ice skater revving up by pulling arms in.
Bill
-- Ferme le Bush
Joseph Meehan
>>
>> While it may be due to the rim design, but with the exception of
>> toilets on the equator it will swirl all by itself due to the
>> rotation of the earth. It happens when you remove the plug in the
>> drain for your sink or tub as well. It turns the other way south of
>> the equator.
>
> I hope this is tongue in cheek. While in principle, the earth's
> rotation will set up such a swirl, you have to do a careful
> experiment to ascertain that it was really set up by earth rotation.
No not tongue in cheek. Try it and you will see. The earth's rotation
is only the tinny nudge that gets it started one way or the other since the
force is so small, any other existing force can disrupt it and under some
conditions it may not develop any swirl. It is true that it will rotate
different north or south. Here is an interesting reference.
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/crls.rxml
That very small effect is enough to control weather however.
>
> If you take a bathtub soak, it is easy to get the rotation during
> draining going in whichever direction you chose. Slight motion of the
> water at a distance from the drain becomes big motion when that water
> goes down the drain. It is analogous to an ice skater revving up by
> pulling arms in.
I agree. As noted any larger force due to outside influence or to drag
differences where the water is flowing can change the outcome.
>
> Bill
> -- Ferme le Bush
--
Joseph Meehan
Dia duit
Salmon Egg
"Joseph Meehan" <sligojo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No not tongue in cheek. Try it and you will see. The earth's rotation
> is only the tinny nudge that gets it started one way or the other since the
> force is so small, any other existing force can disrupt it and under some
> conditions it may not develop any swirl. It is true that it will rotate
> different north or south. Here is an interesting reference.
You are talking about the Coriolis force. It is proportional to speed. It
increases away from the equator. It is significant for wind speed. In a
bathtub, there is no speed except as it builds up inwardly to the drain from
zero as the water starts moving from rest.
If you wish to discuss it further, do it by email.
Cue
<sligojo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> | Salmon Egg wrote:
> | >>
> | >> While it may be due to the rim design, but with the exception of
> | >> toilets on the equator it will swirl all by itself due to the
> | >> rotation of the earth. It happens when you remove the plug in the
> | >> drain for your sink or tub as well. It turns the other way south of
> | >> the equator.
> | >
> | > I hope this is tongue in cheek. While in principle, the earth's
> | > rotation will set up such a swirl, you have to do a careful
> | > experiment to ascertain that it was really set up by earth rotation.
> |
> | No not tongue in cheek. Try it and you will see. The earth's rotation
> | is only the tinny nudge that gets it started one way or the other since the
> | force is so small, any other existing force can disrupt it and under some
> | conditions it may not develop any swirl. It is true that it will rotate
> | different north or south. Here is an interesting reference.
> |
> | http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/crls.rxml
> |
> | That very small effect is enough to control weather however.
[snip]
> | Joseph Meehan
> |
> | Dia duit
Joseph, there's a reason your cite re "coriolis force" doesn't mention
its effect on water flowing in the sink or toilet. Alas ... commonly
believed but not really true.
http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.htm
and even more compelling:
hal...@aol.com
my dads been to australia and remarked toilet water swirls the opposite
direction down under......
Salmon Egg
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<hal...@aol.com> wrote:
I tried your procedure. It was miraculous! I presume that it was mostly
carbonate precipitates from the hard water that accumulated over the years.
I did not take all the precautions you suggestion although that would have
been a good idea. I guess I was a bit careless because in my high school
days long, long ago, I lost my respect for hydrochloric acid. This time, I
got a small whiff of hydrogen chloride. In those days people were not up as
tight about such things and liability was not so high on everyone's list. A
splash of even concentrated muriatic (hydrochloric) acid is not that big a
deal if you wash it off quickly. Please everyone, do not take this as
encouragement to be careless.
My added twist to the procedure was to neutralize the acid with sodium
carbonate also known as sal soda or washing soda. It comes with different
amounts of water in the crystal structure. That water does not help
neutralize acid.
I was wondering if sulfuric acid would do the job as well. It would probably
have to be diluted in order to attack the scale. I would be more concerned
about contacting concentrated sulfuric acid than of hydrochloric acid. Even
then a quick deluge of water can save much grief. I you want to see what can
happen, put a little sugar in a heat resistant bowl and wet it down with
concentrated sulfuric acid, but be careful. It is available as drain
cleaner. The sugar will char as water is sucked out of it as it will your
skin if it contacts the acid.
hal...@aol.com
carbonate precipitates from the hard water that accumulated over the
years. >
Glad it worked out for you! I post this miracle cure, and most are
afraid to even try:(
I wonder what they do? endlessely live with a porr flusher?
In any case I am saving your positive response so others may benefit!
A good friends toilet was bad for nearly 2 years, the acid fixed it in
15 minutes:)
its amazing how much crud showed up in the bowl after the acid treatment